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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On June 14 2020 06:41 Silvanel wrote: A friend of mine has survived COVID but now he has problems with walking two floors up the stairs, he is in his twenties. That fucking sucks, that's way too young to struggle with that kind of issues.  Do the doctors know if it's chronic damage to his lungs yet? | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria880 Posts
We had 2-3 days of 2nd peak like 105 cases, but we got 75 today. Hopefully cases remain less and less. It seems like the world is getting 2nd peak too? | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5222 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14210 Posts
That is the real key to reopening the nation without worrying about another massive outbreak and shutdown. A vaccine may be a while off but if we can drop the mortality rate down a lot I can see most nations just saying that saving the rest of the lives isn't worth it. Expecially when you can just buy Chinese plasma with tax money. | ||
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warding
Portugal2397 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
On June 15 2020 01:29 Jek wrote: That fucking sucks, that's way too young to struggle with that kind of issues. Do the doctors know if it's chronic damage to his lungs yet? Not sure yet. He is young so the hopes are high, like mentioned above sometimes it takes months or years to recover. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7410 Posts
Apparently over 6000 people near Manchester were having a covid rave party Aside from the obvious risk of infection, 1 died, 3 were heavily injured by knife attacks and a girl was raped... German source Dafuq is going on over there? Pot boiling over or just stupid decision making of selfish people? | ||
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Simberto
Germany12006 Posts
Why would you go to a fucking rave party right now? Especially in the UK which is still very much in the middle of the pandemic? Ignoring all of the other shit (dunno if one rape, 1 overdose and three knifings are more or less than what happens at your average 6k people rave), just why? | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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soul55555
Canada45 Posts
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Vivax
22414 Posts
So in one or two months everyone reacts too late again and we don't even know if it's the same strain? | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
On June 16 2020 08:50 soul55555 wrote: How much longer until covid-19 is over? Moderna"s vaccine just entered phase 2 trials two weeks ago (www.modernatx.com), as well as AstraZeneca's (www.fiercebiotech.com) and SinoVac's (www.fiercepharma.com). So if we're on the fast track route, and ifat least one of them works, we get to phase 3 in the winter...then phase 3 is going to last a year or so before we get to phase 4. In other words, our daily lives is going to be the same for at least another 1.5 years minimum... There's also a plethora of treatments, antibody developments, and other vaccines out there that are being studied. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7410 Posts
The Corona-Warn-App helps us to determine whether we have had any contact with an infected person which could result in a risk of catching the virus. This way, we can interrupt chains of infection more quickly. The app is a service by the Federal Government. Download and use of the app are entirely voluntary. It is available as a free download in the App Store and from Google Play. www.bundesregierung.de english version | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18446 Posts
On June 16 2020 15:36 Harris1st wrote: The Covid app is available in Germany for iOS and Android. www.bundesregierung.de english version This sounds very very Big Brother-like. What are the terms and conditions for the government's data storage and what watchdog is entrusted with ensuring the government doesn't just hold onto that data "just in case". Norway already made a 180 with regards to its Corona app: https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/15/norway-pulls-its-coronavirus-contacts-tracing-app-after-privacy-watchdogs-warning/ Without geolocation data, as the German app claims (https://www.thelocal.de/20200402/privacy-mad-germany-turns-to-app-to-track-virus-spread), I know from personal work, that accuracy is a gigantic problem. Contact tracing is not what Bluetooth or wifi were intended for and the algorithms that try it are very very noisy. There are dedicated devices intended for that, but phones are not equipped with that. In fact, all the successful proximity experiments I know of use some form of sensor platform because currently cellphones just aren't good enough. And even without geolocation, if they *do* get this to work, that is still a massive breach of privacy (the government tracking who you were with for how long). | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Like probably hundreds of thousands of restaurants around the world, he is just struggling to get by. He's trying so hard, from opening additional evening hours where it's just him maybe one other person, to having a frozen foods section for takeout, and getting on all the delivery apps, and I'm worried it still might not be enough because there's hardly anybody still in the area to work. Just from what he's said. Aviation parts company nearby with 300 employees - Literally everybody laid off. Software company with 200 - WFH til September My company - 30-40% capacity, rest WFH. I'm only one of a couple people who buy lunch every day, rather than bringing lunch (many people have changed habits due to covid fears). Friend's company down the road 150 people - WFH til August at the earliest (friend is dropping by to grab lunch tomorrow because she loves the place too). On any normal day, my company would probably have 5 people grabbing food from there, and we'd order lunch platters for meetings from them as well a couple of times a month. Now, as far as I know it's just me grabbing takeout once a week. It's a really depressing situation, because he's done everything he can, and even then it might not be enough. When optimistically, 10% of his customer base is still in the area, there's literally nothing he can do. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7410 Posts
On June 16 2020 16:09 Acrofales wrote: This sounds very very Big Brother-like. What are the terms and conditions for the government's data storage and what watchdog is entrusted with ensuring the government doesn't just hold onto that data "just in case". Norway already made a 180 with regards to its Corona app: https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/15/norway-pulls-its-coronavirus-contacts-tracing-app-after-privacy-watchdogs-warning/ Without geolocation data, as the German app claims (https://www.thelocal.de/20200402/privacy-mad-germany-turns-to-app-to-track-virus-spread), I know from personal work, that accuracy is a gigantic problem. Contact tracing is not what Bluetooth or wifi were intended for and the algorithms that try it are very very noisy. There are dedicated devices intended for that, but phones are not equipped with that. In fact, all the successful proximity experiments I know of use some form of sensor platform because currently cellphones just aren't good enough. And even without geolocation, if they *do* get this to work, that is still a massive breach of privacy (the government tracking who you were with for how long). Don't get your tinfoil hat in a bunch  Seriosuly though, from what I've read the app was scrutinized by every user safety and data protection firm in the country with no issues (anymore) It has no access to GPS, just BT Already have it installed. If it helps fighting Covid, count me in. And it's not like people value their data. They give it voluntarily to everyone and their mother (facebook, google, apple) But when the government asks "No! they will chip me! Vaccines are bad! Earth is flat! The cake is a lie!" | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
Probably going to be as 'temporary' as other privacy-breaching measures of the last two decades if it sees widespread use. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18446 Posts
On June 16 2020 17:22 Harris1st wrote: Don't get your tinfoil hat in a bunch Seriosuly though, from what I've read the app was scrutinized by every user safety and data protection firm in the country with no issues (anymore) It has no access to GPS, just BT Already have it installed. If it helps fighting Covid, count me in. And it's not like people value their data. They give it voluntarily to everyone and their mother (facebook, google, apple) But when the government asks "No! they will chip me! Vaccines are bad! Earth is flat! The cake is a lie!" As I said, unless vast strides have been made in the last year or so (last time I tried to do anything in that area), bluetooth is really unreliable as a proximity sensor. It is better as a location sensor for proximity to a fixed base station, but if they aren't using geolocation they obviously aren't doing that. Oh, and it'll also drain your phone battery like nobody's business. So yes, no doubt the privacy watchdogs are now on board, but is the app still at all functional? If it generates more false positives than true positives, how useful is it really? It gives you an upper bound, but a similar upper bound is fairly easily computed without an app. | ||
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