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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control.

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Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 12:28:30
May 08 2020 12:03 GMT
#3041
Dentist next week,i am dreading to go.
i wish the virus was gone,its starting to be depressing.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 12:51:23
May 08 2020 12:48 GMT
#3042
On May 08 2020 21:03 pmh wrote:
Dentist next week,i am dreading to go.
i wish the virus was gone,its starting to be depressing.

I think the dentist chair is in regards to COVID ironically probably the safest place to be right now. There has always been a bazillion virus and bacteria orally transmitable they need to make sure they dont expose patients to and so few people (in my 34 years I havent heard of a single) get sick from visiting the dentist.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5107 Posts
May 08 2020 13:03 GMT
#3043
Even hospitals are quite safe. Unless they're overwhelmed by the virus and it's known to be in different departments, as long as you stay away from the COVID section, you shouldn't worry.
Taxes are for Terrans
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria842 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 13:17:27
May 08 2020 13:16 GMT
#3044
National lockdown here is until 13 May. Unfortunately, there will be "sanitary lockdown/emergency" or something like that for another 2 months, so it's just going to be more loose kind of lockdown anyway. Not very happy about that as I'm unsure if 2 months will be enough unless dry hot weather kills the virus. Any news on that or is it still being researched?
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 14:32:41
May 08 2020 14:32 GMT
#3045
On May 08 2020 22:16 SC-Shield wrote:
National lockdown here is until 13 May. Unfortunately, there will be "sanitary lockdown/emergency" or something like that for another 2 months, so it's just going to be more loose kind of lockdown anyway. Not very happy about that as I'm unsure if 2 months will be enough unless dry hot weather kills the virus. Any news on that or is it still being researched?

From what I've read, it seems that transmissions are way more likely when you're indoors. Summer brings people outdoors more often and better air circulation within buildings (assuming open windows rather than AC). There's also an effect of more UV light killing lingering virus quicker.

There's also some indication that vitamin D defficiency is bad for outcomes, so the summer might help with that too.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 15:09:14
May 08 2020 15:08 GMT
#3046
Netherlands is (after a less stringent lockdown then some other countries) opening rather fast rather then slow, plenty of people are outside again. IIRC some high street shopping places are up 40% compared to last week in terms of foot traffic. Most smallscale "contact" jobs are open again (barbers, dentists) within reason. I feel like its going a bit too fast but eh I can't do shit about it anyway.

Restaurants, cinema are slated to be open by 1st June with some measures. I think a lot of them won't be able to do it properly, just as best as they can. Kitchens and small bars are simply not made for our 1.5 meter rule. In a way its the best they can do.

Since the weather is getting better there are some cities that are in talks with the city council to "claim" large squares with open space and claim it as a place where you can have a drink since outside it is easier to maintain the distance.

On May 08 2020 21:48 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2020 21:03 pmh wrote:
Dentist next week,i am dreading to go.
i wish the virus was gone,its starting to be depressing.

I think the dentist chair is in regards to COVID ironically probably the safest place to be right now. There has always been a bazillion virus and bacteria orally transmitable they need to make sure they dont expose patients to and so few people (in my 34 years I havent heard of a single) get sick from visiting the dentist.

My uncle is a dentist and he says not much has changed, just that people can not wait long in the waiting room and he has to take more time in between appointments since he has to do a little bit of extra cleaning between patients. Overall though its in his nature/job to clean/work in a sterile environment as much as possible so I think its fine.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 08 2020 15:16 GMT
#3047
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thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 16:08:22
May 08 2020 15:44 GMT
#3048
On May 08 2020 23:32 warding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2020 22:16 SC-Shield wrote:
National lockdown here is until 13 May. Unfortunately, there will be "sanitary lockdown/emergency" or something like that for another 2 months, so it's just going to be more loose kind of lockdown anyway. Not very happy about that as I'm unsure if 2 months will be enough unless dry hot weather kills the virus. Any news on that or is it still being researched?

From what I've read, it seems that transmissions are way more likely when you're indoors. Summer brings people outdoors more often and better air circulation within buildings (assuming open windows rather than AC). There's also an effect of more UV light killing lingering virus quicker.

There's also some indication that vitamin D defficiency is bad for outcomes, so the summer might help with that too.

I wouldn't read too much into any paper/study regarding covid-19 until it's been properly peer reviewed. At this point it seems there's not enough evidence to support these claims unfortunately. At least according to The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford:
“We found no clinical evidence on vitamin D in COVID-19,” they write. “There was no evidence related to vitamin D deficiency predisposing to COVID-19, nor were there studies of supplementation for preventing or treating COVID-19.”

[source: medicalnewstoday.com]
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
May 08 2020 16:16 GMT
#3049
Vit D is one of those things I am less particular about if there is some suggestion it might help, because aiming for sufficient vit D is never a bad thing. Most people are likely deficient without realising it. It doesn't hurt to take up to 1000 units per day for most people, and if there's a chance it might help in COVID, go ahead.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
May 08 2020 18:29 GMT
#3050
On May 08 2020 00:32 warding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2020 22:38 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
This discussion suffers from a lack of clarity on what herd immunity means without a vaccine. What does herd immunity mean without a vaccine? It means that virtually the entire population has caught covid-19. How would that occur without overwhelming local healthcare, without some means of slowing transmission?

It doesn't necessarily, for two reasons:
1. As I shared above, the model saying herd immunity is = 1- 1/R assumes a homogenous population. Models assuming natural variation demonstrate this could be as low as 10% to 20%: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20081893v1

Here's a more indepth study on the matter:
https://necpluribusimpar.net/lets-have-a-honest-debate-about-herd-immunity/

2. Even assuming a homogenous population, what if contact tracing, testing and isolating + masks in public transport alone brings R to, say, 1.2? That doesn't seem to me too outlandish to keep up for 1 or 2 years until the vaccine comes. Then we just need to do those things and have infections at 17% of the population, which might very well be the case in many countries at this point.
Sorry, but looking at your links, I don't regard a non-peer-reviewed abstract as a model and what you called a more indepth study looks like somebody having a twitter spat.

Anyways, in the UK, about vitamin D, the guideline appears to be: one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household. This is remarkably different from other set of rules which disallow even excercising. Of course there are some people who appear to take advantage of the nice weather to play cricket and such like, which have to be broken up.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 19:21:27
May 08 2020 19:13 GMT
#3051
Source

Texas sets record for largest gain of COVID-19 cases over a two-day period since pandemic began

AUSTIN, Texas — Over the first weekend or May 2020, Texas health officials reported the greatest two consecutive-day gains in the number of new COVID–19 cases, with more than 2,000 new cases added on May 2 and May 3.

There were 1,293 new cases of the virus reported Saturday. That’s the second greatest single-day gain since the pandemic began. On April 10, the state recorded 1,441 new cases.

On Monday, May 4, 784 new cases were added to the total. And Texas has experienced 32,332 cases of the COVID-19 virus through Monday evening

Fifty-one deaths from the virus in Texas were reported over the two-day weekend, with 17 additional fatalities on Monday, according to the state health department. The total death toll stands at 884 as of May 4.

As of May 4, Travis County has 1,816 total cases, up from 1,683 on May 1. Williamson County reported 328 cases on May 1, up from 306 on May 1.


Coincidence that this surge happened immediately after the Governor re-opened the state? I doubt it.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11804 Posts
May 08 2020 19:52 GMT
#3052
When did stuff open?

Because if it was less than a week or so ago, it didn't impact the new cases now (yet). There is significant lag between any action and the effect on the virus.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 08 2020 19:54 GMT
#3053
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 19:59:56
May 08 2020 19:57 GMT
#3054
WHEREAS, I subsequently issued Executive Order GA-18 on April 27, 2020, to expand the services that are reopened in Texas, including allowing in-store retail and dine-in restaurant services at establishments operating within specific capacity limits


Source: https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-issues-executive-order-to-expand-openings-of-certain-businesses-and-activities

That was on April 27, 11 days ago. Right on time.

EDIT: JimmiC brings up a good point about the protests though, that's probably not helping, although I don't know what specifically the protest situation looks like in Texas, there hasn't been a lot of out of state coverage of it like there has been for Michigan.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 08 2020 20:00 GMT
#3055
On May 09 2020 04:13 Vindicare605 wrote:
Source

Texas sets record for largest gain of COVID-19 cases over a two-day period since pandemic began

Show nested quote +
AUSTIN, Texas — Over the first weekend or May 2020, Texas health officials reported the greatest two consecutive-day gains in the number of new COVID–19 cases, with more than 2,000 new cases added on May 2 and May 3.

There were 1,293 new cases of the virus reported Saturday. That’s the second greatest single-day gain since the pandemic began. On April 10, the state recorded 1,441 new cases.

On Monday, May 4, 784 new cases were added to the total. And Texas has experienced 32,332 cases of the COVID-19 virus through Monday evening

Fifty-one deaths from the virus in Texas were reported over the two-day weekend, with 17 additional fatalities on Monday, according to the state health department. The total death toll stands at 884 as of May 4.

As of May 4, Travis County has 1,816 total cases, up from 1,683 on May 1. Williamson County reported 328 cases on May 1, up from 306 on May 1.


Coincidence that this surge happened immediately after the Governor re-opened the state? I doubt it.


The stay-at-home order being cancelled on May 1st doesn't translate into a surge in cases on May 2nd and 3rd. An increase from re-opening is likely yet to come.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-08 22:27:29
May 08 2020 21:32 GMT
#3056
Ty for the encouraging words. My dentist is taking a lot of precauctions which is re-asuring as well.
Vitiame D is one of the 2 supplements that i am taking,i dont know if it helps but it wont hurt.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 08 2020 21:59 GMT
#3057
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Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
May 09 2020 00:43 GMT
#3058
Hawaii is going great with case counts.

Idk what other states are doing. Our governor is pretty useless and wasn’t much of being a leader, basically all gyms and non essentials already closed down before a state-ordered lockdown went into effect. Most restaurants implemented take-out ordering to mitigate their business losses. Our governor only then acted like it was a good idea to do it only after the fact lol. “Oh btw guys wear masks, see I came up with a good idea too!”


My coworker told me her friend was the first confirmed case to die (returned from a Vegas trip around February). She was pretty casual about it (she’s old but not that old). She doesn’t seem affected by it much, which kinda made me wonder at what age will I start to take this fatalistic-attitude approach to things.
Skol
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-09 02:05:29
May 09 2020 02:03 GMT
#3059
On May 09 2020 05:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2020 04:13 Vindicare605 wrote:
Source

Texas sets record for largest gain of COVID-19 cases over a two-day period since pandemic began

AUSTIN, Texas — Over the first weekend or May 2020, Texas health officials reported the greatest two consecutive-day gains in the number of new COVID–19 cases, with more than 2,000 new cases added on May 2 and May 3.

There were 1,293 new cases of the virus reported Saturday. That’s the second greatest single-day gain since the pandemic began. On April 10, the state recorded 1,441 new cases.

On Monday, May 4, 784 new cases were added to the total. And Texas has experienced 32,332 cases of the COVID-19 virus through Monday evening

Fifty-one deaths from the virus in Texas were reported over the two-day weekend, with 17 additional fatalities on Monday, according to the state health department. The total death toll stands at 884 as of May 4.

As of May 4, Travis County has 1,816 total cases, up from 1,683 on May 1. Williamson County reported 328 cases on May 1, up from 306 on May 1.


Coincidence that this surge happened immediately after the Governor re-opened the state? I doubt it.


The stay-at-home order being cancelled on May 1st doesn't translate into a surge in cases on May 2nd and 3rd. An increase from re-opening is likely yet to come.

Here in Dallas, there was a big spike at the end of April and going into May, but new cases have been holding steady around 250-ish per day for the last few days. New cases previously hovered around 100-ish per day for most of April.

The next couple weeks will be important to watch to see if the lockdown was lifted too quickly.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 09 2020 04:22 GMT
#3060
On May 09 2020 09:43 Emnjay808 wrote:
Hawaii is going great with case counts.

Idk what other states are doing. Our governor is pretty useless and wasn’t much of being a leader, basically all gyms and non essentials already closed down before a state-ordered lockdown went into effect. Most restaurants implemented take-out ordering to mitigate their business losses. Our governor only then acted like it was a good idea to do it only after the fact lol. “Oh btw guys wear masks, see I came up with a good idea too!”

During a pandemic like this one, it pays to be an island geographically isolated from most of the world. Major population centers are naturally much more vulnerable for any number of reasons.
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