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pmh
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Emnjay808
United States10656 Posts
Anyways Hawaii seems to be reopening non-essentials (slowly). I hope gyms are gonna be one of the first. + Show Spoiler + I’m gonna take so much tren and fuck every part of my body up so bad. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
When the announced opening date rolled around, turns out it was just that it now added curbside delivery for a very small (20%) number of its businesses. I suppose I understand the need for the lockdown, but I can't help but be bummed out by the false advertising  . | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
It's revealed how many fucking conspiracy theorists I know on social media. It's depressing. | ||
KwarK
United States42695 Posts
On May 07 2020 12:55 Stratos_speAr wrote: Anyone else see this ridiculous Plandemic video circulating today? It's revealed how many fucking conspiracy theorists I know on social media. It's depressing. Was it this theory? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgflip.com/3x7cwq.jpg) | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6230 Posts
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria818 Posts
Which film is this from? It seems interesting.  | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6931 Posts
On May 07 2020 15:37 SC-Shield wrote: Which film is this from? It seems interesting. You don't know Despicable Me?????? Go watch them! All of them! And Minions! | ||
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Simberto
Germany11515 Posts
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria818 Posts
On topic: excellent news. South Korea says that reinfection cases are actually "false positive". Or, actually, not really - just the virus lingers for a bit longer and that's why it's detected by tests, but these virus particles might be just deactivated ones. In that case people might not be infectious. Also, the article says that reactivation is unlikely because the virus doesn't behave like hepatitis B and HIV. It doesn't enter cells' nucleus. Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea-explain/explainer-south-korean-findings-suggest-reinfected-coronavirus-cases-are-false-positives-idUSKBN22J0HR I think that's a relief that this virus doesn't break the rule that reinfection is unlikely. Of course, if the virus doesn't mutate too much. However, I think that when someone is negative after 2 consequent tests (doctors in Bulgaria usually let patients go in that case), they should make them stay for 1-2 weeks more to avoid such cases. For instance, one medical person in my country got negative tests, then her health quickly became worse and died. The tests we use are PCR, so they're as reliable as what is currently available. On a different topic, Russia's case shows how unreliable their government is. From coronavirus is "under control" to 10-11k new cases every day. I'm pretty sure they lied in order to get their political agenda (they expect a referendum to increase Putin's mandate as far as I know), but they probably saw that things are getting worse and delayed their election. Yesterday I predicted they're going to be next Italy and now I think they'll have more infections than Spain too. | ||
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thePunGun
598 Posts
On April 30 2020 22:59 thePunGun wrote: Reinfection false positives are most likely caused by dead virus fragments according to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC). [source] | ||
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Slydie
1920 Posts
On a different topic, Russia's case shows how unreliable their government is. From coronavirus is "under control" to 10-11k new cases every day. I'm pretty sure they lied in order to get their political agenda (they expect a referendum to increase Putin's mandate as far as I know), but they probably saw that things are getting worse and delayed their election. Yesterday I predicted they're going to be next Italy and now I think they'll have more infections than Spain too. Yes, they are in danger for sure. As in Italy and Spain, grandparents are often important and integrated parts of the family. One of the most curious Corona responses has to be the Belarusian one. The government essentially does nothing, and even held a large annual military parade. LImiteing the spread is essentially left to the population, which it actully does a decent job with. I also doubt if the numbers from such a government should be trusted at all. https://www.newsweek.com/despite-one-worst-coronavirus-outbreaks-europe-belarus-refuses-cancel-military-parade-1502046 | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
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Gina
241 Posts
All local authorities have been steadily increasing the danger levels in their predictions, and on paper the quarantine measures are pretty tight, but the way it is observed and enforced... not so much. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On May 07 2020 19:20 Elroi wrote: I'm sorry to repeat myself (from last page) but I haven't gotten any answers to this question so far: for those of you who want countries to stay completely closed until the disease is gone - lockdown and then track and then trace for the last cases seems to be the strategy in that case. What are you going to do after that with a population that has no immunity to a disease that has spread in the entire outside world? Have the borders closed until a vaccine with enough security measures in place, permanently, to quickly track down every new occurrence of the virus before it spreads too much in the population again? To me that sounds impossible. I'd love to be wrong, but I don't think I have heard anyone even try to give an answer to that question. Because I'm not sure anyone here wants that? It has mostly been to give time to health care to ramp up and prepare, and bring the first wave down to manageable levels to avoid uncontrolled spread and patient triage like we've seen in italy the first weeks... | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
Lets take Portugal and say we are going to have a second wave in October and we allow it to come and infect 20% of the population because we don't want to live under permanent lockdowns. We'll have super good testing by then so we're going to detect at least 50% of cases. So 1 million infections will be detected over the span, of say, 3 months. That's 11 thousand infections every day, announced daily on TV. Max we've had in this first wave was 1500 in a freak day (backlog). Given how afraid everyone is of the disease, are we going to be fine with that? Is the government going to want to live with the political consequences of the fear, after so much of it was instilled in society in this first wave? I have a hard time imagining this scenario. Especially when the public sector workers have massive influence and, to them, a lockdown is fine because they keep 100% of their salary. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
On May 07 2020 19:31 Nouar wrote: Because I'm not sure anyone here wants that? It has mostly been to give time to health care to ramp up and prepare, and bring the first wave down to manageable levels to avoid uncontrolled spread and patient triage like we've seen in italy the first weeks... So everyone agrees with the herd immunity strategy now? It was viewed as extreme only a couple days ago afaik. I thought the consensus was something more like this: On May 05 2020 20:12 Simberto wrote: As has been discussed multiple times in this thread, the general plan is not (and has never been) to lockdown until vaccine. Originally, it was just flatten the curve to keep the healthcare systems from being overwhelmed, but that seems to have evolved into: Reduce amount of infected people until you can individually track them again. Individually track infections, and test and quarantine everyone the infected person was in contact with. Which is clearly a possible way of solving this. This seems to be the direction taken by most countries that are viewed as successful, such as Germany and Norway. But if herd immunity is in fact the goal, that implies that those countries must change their strategy, right? | ||
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farvacola
United States18828 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
But just continue to pretend, that there is nothing between 70%+ infected in a year and full lockdown, nobody moves. Steering in the middle is more complicated to fine tune, especially when the effects of different measures are so difficult to account for. But is rather obviously still the goal of countries like Germany. | ||
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korrekt
76 Posts
On May 07 2020 20:08 Elroi wrote: So everyone agrees with the herd immunity strategy now? It was viewed as extreme only a couple days ago afaik. I thought the consensus was something more like this: This seems to be the direction taken by most countries that are viewed as successful, such as Germany and Norway. But if herd immunity is in fact the goal, that implies that those countries must change their strategy, right? I think stalling the virus is about a lot of things: - Not overwhelming the health system - Waiting for vaccinations - Waiting for better understanding of the virus (how does it spread exactly, how can spread be prevented) - Waiting for better treatments of the virus Additionally, no one knows how long someone who contracted the virus will be immune. It could be a long time, but it would also be possible it's only a couple of months or years. Which would mean the herd immunity strategy simply does not work at all. I do agree that we cannot live in an indefinite lockdown scenario, which is why many countries are slowly easing some restrictions while keeping others in place. I think that's a sensible approach. I'm not saying Sweden's approach is wrong though, it might work in a "more distanced" culture (I'm lacking a better word) in a country where people usually live quite far apart. Though I do not think it was the best approach for a dense, urban place like Stockholm. The "best" strategy might very well be completely different depending on the region in question... | ||
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