• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:33
CEST 07:33
KST 14:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?6FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event13Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster14Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week4
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft Mass Recall: SC1 campaigns on SC2 thread The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form? How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 27 (June 27-29) WardiTV Mondays SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event $200 Biweekly - StarCraft Evolution League #1
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest ASL20 Preliminary Maps Unit and Spell Similarities
Tourneys
[BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague LB Final - Saturday 20:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
Game Sound vs. Music: The Im…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 595 users

The Games Industry And ATVI - Page 13

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 76 Next
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11799 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-24 17:30:13
April 24 2019 17:22 GMT
#241
On April 25 2019 01:32 Archeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2019 05:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On April 20 2019 21:52 Yurie wrote:
Interesting to me is that they took the next Star Wars "RPG" to Respawn Entertainment instead of Bioware. Says a lot about how much they trust the studio now a days. Could of course also be that the schedules don't match up but switching the genres of the studios around as they have done doesn't really bode well for Bioware.

Wasn't it a Star Wars RPG type of game with deep story and character development elements that put Bioware on the map around 15 years ago?

Bioware also sunk a ton of money into a Star Wars (MMO)RPG which flopped immediately after getting bought by EA. Not surprised if EA gives other studios the job, especially since DAI is the only thing Bioware released in recent years that didn't struggle or outright flop.

Just read their wiki page and god I wouldn't be surprised at all if EA announces the closure of Bioware.


Sadly wouldn't surprise me either. Liked all their games up until the mmo and that was decent. Think the focus on open world hasn't really panned out well. Even in mass effect most of it wasn't that open world focused. Multi hub and "instances" was more they layout and they did that well.

Might be an issue of EA management not knowing how to craft RPGs or trying to make big studio RPGs instead of medium size ones with decent return on money. Last non-shooter RPG with EA as publisher was Dragon Age: Inquisition it seems. The rest being shooters or sports games (more or less).
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-25 12:38:26
April 25 2019 10:02 GMT
#242
Agreed with your verdict in all points.
I think RPGs are harder to market and have a smaller more hardcore community. They don't benefit in the same way from a larger budget that f.e. shooters do, most RPG-players don't care all that much about graphics and action.
Open world is basically the only way to use much much more money with a higher predicted revenue, but open world RPGs are very different beasts. It creates problems with story-dynamics and character interactions, imo old Bioware's strong suits. Level design and world vision were never really their forte imo, which are the main thing you need to create an exploration based game, which open world titles at their core are.
low gravity, yes-yes!
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16673 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-25 15:39:17
April 25 2019 15:19 GMT
#243
Its pretty hilarious watching EA continue to play the "moral authority" card. They keep yapping about female empowerment and diversity in their games. What about employee empowerment EA? What about the gambling oriented mechanics in games directed at children EA? Picking fights with European governments EA? LOL.

Revenue growth is flat across the entire video game industry. EA is gesticulating and floundering around fighting wars on multiple fronts in an effort to continue big revenue/profit growth. The reality is the industry has matured and the massive growth decades are over.

In 1979, Space Invaders was an amazing, great story of shocking massive revenues and profits. Cut to 2019 , and multiple game companies are EXPECTING to manufacture the next Space Invaders ....year after year after year. That is a very difficult expectation for employees in the industry to face every week at work.

The video game industry is maturing into a brutal, cut-throat business like any other business ...while the grandfathers of the industry like Chris Metzen continue to claim we should close our eyes and proclaim its a wonderful world
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
April 25 2019 15:49 GMT
#244
Dunno, imo Metzen proclaims that we need to chill out. On the one hand he probably knows most of the people in charge that get attacked personally, on the other hand he isn't wrong in that gamers tend to be toxic communities that are never happy, even more so when there's a lot nostalgia in play like with Blizzard games. Objectively speaking the last Blizz games weren't terrible, but people continue to claim Blizz is a garbage company when they are arguably one of the last big studios that continuously develop hits.

That the industry is garbage isn't news, I remember a friend of mine saying 5 years ago that he'd never go into that industry out of his free will since the working conditions are terrible. It also isn't the fault of EA or Blizz or Atvi, in fact they are some of the few companies a game dev can hope to work for more than 3-4 years.
Which in the end again lies mostly with the community and the expectations you describe that are shared by the community. Video games don't produce enough revenue to feed all the people that are working in the industry.
EA and Atvi get a lot of hate for trying to milk their costumers, which imo is absolutely right. But pretending that cutoffs are the most evil thing when studios go bankrupt and get closed all the time seems... one-sided.
low gravity, yes-yes!
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16673 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-25 16:44:23
April 25 2019 16:00 GMT
#245
On April 26 2019 00:49 Archeon wrote:
That the industry is garbage isn't news,

check my sig. that is a quote from 1979. That said, when you're in an industry segment experiencing massive growth year after year and decade after decade its easy to find great jobs even if the people at the very top are evil. However, the big growth is over; we are left with a bunch of companies like EA, ATVI etc whose biggest investors see them no differently than how they see a pension fund.
On April 26 2019 00:49 Archeon wrote:
Which in the end again lies mostly with the community and the expectations you describe that are shared by the community.

if your product is aimed at young people with very little life experience while you hype the product to the moon ...this is what you get. As long as the industry was growing by leaps and bounds it was all good to engage in these hype practices.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-25 17:24:15
April 25 2019 17:04 GMT
#246
On April 26 2019 01:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2019 00:49 Archeon wrote:
That the industry is garbage isn't news,

check my sig. that is a quote from 1979. That said, when you're in an industry segment experiencing massive growth year after year and decade after decade its easy to find great jobs even if the people at the very top are evil. However, the big growth is over; we are left with a bunch of companies like EA, ATVI etc whose biggest investors see them no differently than how they see a pension fund.
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2019 00:49 Archeon wrote:
Which in the end again lies mostly with the community and the expectations you describe that are shared by the community.

if your product is aimed at young people with very little life experience while you hype the product to the moon ...this is what you get. As long as the industry was growing by leaps and bounds it was all good to engage in these hype practices.

Well the number of people wanting to develop video games will plateau eventually as well. And my impression wasn't that it's easy to find great jobs, I've read multiple times that video game devs get significantly less than normal software devs.
Tbh I think that video games are underpriced and have been for years, but then again I'm buying most of my games on sale :/ There are too many games on the market, often partially developed by hobbyists or gamblers, so prices haven't risen according to inflation and probably average lower than a few years ago.

Also considering that most people I know have moved further and further away from mainstream titles I doubt we are going to be left with EA and Atvi. Obviously they still produce titles with a lot of draw for many people, but with casual gamers getting split up between handy games, LoL and Battle royales and every new western consumer generation getting smaller I'm not surprised Atvi's and EA's sales are down.
Imo the industry is way less dominated than it was 10 years ago, many people buy online and GoG and Steam have a lot of small titles. I don't think sales plateauing will influence the small studios as much as the large ones.

@hype tactics: the market is fought over like crazy, there's way too many games. Drawing the attention and disappoint a little is still way better than not drawing the attention and going bankrupt.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 25 2019 17:09 GMT
#247
On April 26 2019 00:49 Archeon wrote:
Dunno, imo Metzen proclaims that we need to chill out. On the one hand he probably knows most of the people in charge that get attacked personally, on the other hand he isn't wrong in that gamers tend to be toxic communities that are never happy, even more so when there's a lot nostalgia in play like with Blizzard games. Objectively speaking the last Blizz games weren't terrible, but people continue to claim Blizz is a garbage company when they are arguably one of the last big studios that continuously develop hits.

That the industry is garbage isn't news, I remember a friend of mine saying 5 years ago that he'd never go into that industry out of his free will since the working conditions are terrible. It also isn't the fault of EA or Blizz or Atvi, in fact they are some of the few companies a game dev can hope to work for more than 3-4 years.
Which in the end again lies mostly with the community and the expectations you describe that are shared by the community. Video games don't produce enough revenue to feed all the people that are working in the industry.
EA and Atvi get a lot of hate for trying to milk their costumers, which imo is absolutely right. But pretending that cutoffs are the most evil thing when studios go bankrupt and get closed all the time seems... one-sided.

This is most fandoms, TBH. If you look as sports super fans, they kinda suck. Same with people who are super into one band as part of their identity. The problem with the game industry is that they, like pro sports, used that fandom and turned it into an identity to market to. And promoting people link their personal identity to a commercial product is inherently toxic.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-25 17:24:59
April 25 2019 17:16 GMT
#248
I'd say the anonymity from being online is another factor, but agreed that people who feel strongly about something usually are not the most understanding. That games are inherently complex constructions built from very different aspects also means there's always somebody who's irritated by something.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 25 2019 17:55 GMT
#249
It has only allowed the worst aspects of fandom to grow and find like minded people. But back in the days of fanzines, there was the same flavor of entitled rage about 1960 batman TV show as there is today when a video game company decides to not serve up the exact thing fans have been expecting. Fandom has always sucked in ways that we don’t’ often take seriously.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16673 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-25 19:07:36
April 25 2019 18:22 GMT
#250
On April 26 2019 02:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2019 00:49 Archeon wrote:
Dunno, imo Metzen proclaims that we need to chill out. On the one hand he probably knows most of the people in charge that get attacked personally, on the other hand he isn't wrong in that gamers tend to be toxic communities that are never happy, even more so when there's a lot nostalgia in play like with Blizzard games. Objectively speaking the last Blizz games weren't terrible, but people continue to claim Blizz is a garbage company when they are arguably one of the last big studios that continuously develop hits.

That the industry is garbage isn't news, I remember a friend of mine saying 5 years ago that he'd never go into that industry out of his free will since the working conditions are terrible. It also isn't the fault of EA or Blizz or Atvi, in fact they are some of the few companies a game dev can hope to work for more than 3-4 years.
Which in the end again lies mostly with the community and the expectations you describe that are shared by the community. Video games don't produce enough revenue to feed all the people that are working in the industry.
EA and Atvi get a lot of hate for trying to milk their costumers, which imo is absolutely right. But pretending that cutoffs are the most evil thing when studios go bankrupt and get closed all the time seems... one-sided.

This is most fandoms, TBH. If you look as sports super fans, they kinda suck. Same with people who are super into one band as part of their identity. The problem with the game industry is that they, like pro sports, used that fandom and turned it into an identity to market to. And promoting people link their personal identity to a commercial product is inherently toxic.

This is a great point. When you play into a giant group of people's identity ... you are really playing with fire.

When Vince Mcmahon had complete control of the WWF I think he was able to extract maximum money from the "fans" with a minimal level of toxicity. During the 1991 Desert Shield//Storm war "Sargeant Slaughter" proclaimed himself to be an Iraqi sympathizer along with his "manager" General Adnon. They never got attacked or harmed. The Iranian Iron Shiek who favoured Iran taking dozens of American hostages for 444 days and was also never harmed by any fans.

Ultimately, in the climactic final act Vince Mcmahon always gave the fans what they wanted. People identified with "Hulk Hogan" as the noble, strong, American Patriot who is here to rid the world of evil. In the end Hogan always won.

So I think it is possible to market to fans and play into their fandom and into their identify and play into their delusions. While also avoiding toxicity. Its very difficult to do. Vince Mcmahon is a genius. If the business leader is less than a genius or doesn't have their finger on the pulse of their consumers then the organization can easily run into brutal problems with toxicity you mention in your last 2 posts.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
April 25 2019 18:45 GMT
#251
As for the comments about difficult working conditions within the game industry, I've come to a sort of realization about why that may be. When indie developers are building a game, they want to work 16 hours a day every day because making a game is fun (and it is!). Games are passion projects. It's rewarding to see the code you wrote, the graphics you made, the design you crafted, all come together to coalesce into an enjoyable experience. However, when you expand the size of your team or adopt a megapublisher, not everyone is going to have the same level of passion. Some are going to want to just work 8 hours a day like a normal job, and that's totally fine. What tends to happen in "crunch" scenarios is that those more moderate employees are pressured or shamed into working overtime. Sometimes this is due to an impending feature/product deadline, but not always: other times it's simply coworker/team zeal.

As a producer (who's also lucky enough to be able to self-publish), I do everything I can do remind my teams that crunch is a bad practice and is almost always inexcusable. Caring about the mental and physical health of team members is far more important, since even from a practical standpoint, someone who has burned out is not going to perform optimally and usually requires days or weeks of time off to return to form (and you'd better hope they're not interviewing with other companies during that time!). Worst case is that someone quits and you have to hire a replacement, spending weeks of searching for candidates, fitting them onto the team, training them up on your infrastructure, all so they can work at probably 80-90% of the output of the person who quit -- all of which could have been avoided if you didn't push the team so hard.
Moderator
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 25 2019 19:19 GMT
#252
I've said this before, but many of my firm's clients operated under the same theory when it came to hiring law firms. They would make unreasonable demands for work for unreasonable rates. And when they got push back, they would pull their work and go to a new firm. It worked for a very long time, until they burned out most of the firms in teh state and only had a limited pool to pick from. And then that pool started collectively raising their rates and refusing work. But for like 15 years, the system worked great.

Video game developers are facing the same problems now. The idea that all these programmers were replaceable or hungry enough to work for nothing worked right up until everyone started talking about it. So now everyone is saying the same thing "working on video games is very hard and you won't get paid well". Now that talent they were losing is no longer easily replaceable and everyone is talking about unionizing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16673 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-27 15:54:38
April 27 2019 15:38 GMT
#253
CEO of Epic Games, Tim Sweeney promises to end exclusivity deals and even put their games on Steam if Steam/Valve only takes 12% of incoming revenue from games sold.

https://venturebeat.com/2019/04/25/ceo-tim-sweeney-epic-games-store-will-hastily-retreat-from-exclusives-if-valve-changes-revenue-model/



Keep in mind Epic promised not to "poach" developing titles from the Steam platform in the way they did with Metro Exodus. They kept on doing it though. Tim Sweeney went back on the promise that an Epic employee made not to "poach" games from Steam. Thus, all this stuff Tim Sweeney is saying he'll do if Steam moves to a 12% cut could be BS.

its your move Steam....
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
April 27 2019 16:41 GMT
#254
I remember reading an article by a business analyst in response to those tweets, which stated, with some pretty strong math, that it's unlikely steam could operate doing a 12% cut without going into the red since they actually invest in their platform and provide support unlike Epic at this point. I'll have to see if I can dig it up.

It just strikes me someone going "Yeah if hell freezes over, I'll do this really nice, selfless thing" and then acting like he's a pretty swell guy just for making promises he won't have to keep. Tim likely knows this, and as usual is trying to shore up any good PR he can, wherever he can, however he can.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3392 Posts
April 27 2019 17:17 GMT
#255
Tim knows Steam's not gonna do anything, hence why he's saying it in the first place. No moves coming out of Steam.

Worst comes to worst Steam could always finally make a third game to one of their ip's and everybody will love them again. Guess they still feel it's still too early to play that card since they're not exactly going to be in dire straits anytime soon, even after Artifact bombed, while also removing "off-topics" reviews in an effort to combat review bombing, pissing off part of the user base.

I myself haven't installed the Epic games launcher yet (despite them handing out free games) because of allegations of it being Chinese spyware, even if most of it was debunked. But first impressions are a bitch eh.
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
April 27 2019 17:25 GMT
#256
I just want my games off any DRM-advertising launchers personally.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16673 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-01 03:31:49
May 01 2019 03:21 GMT
#257
it seems some game studios internal culture is as immature as the teenagers at whom their games are aimed...
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-04-29-riot-employees-threaten-walkout-over-forced-arbitration

i gather none of this stuff is proven and Riot doesn't want this stuff to ever get formally acknowledged as true. This is probably why Riot is steering everything towards "private arbitration". I think "private arbitration" results in lower awards to the employees and a lower chance of success.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
May 01 2019 03:53 GMT
#258
The Waypoint article on that is much better. The most humorous part of the D&I officer's statement is having a spreadsheet for employees to sign up for smaller, private talks. We see this tactic employed in police interrogations all the time, where police compare individuals' stories to see who can be turned and who will prove argumentative or hostile, systematically breaking down the bonds between groups. That may be a more extreme interpretation of their actions, but it's also Riot's best chance at getting to the heart of the organization efforts and disrupting them before things get out of hand for management.
Moderator
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16673 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-01 16:29:04
May 01 2019 16:02 GMT
#259
Blizzard will not have a presence at GamesCom
https://news.blizzard.com/en-gb/blizzard/22937753/blizzard-and-gamescom-2019

As they hinted in this news release they are probably saving any really cool new announcements for BlizzCon 2019. BlizzCon and GamesCom are less than 10 weeks apart.

I'd rather have Blizzard committing its limited resources to making new games and maintaining its pillar franchises than making announcements half way across the world. They can just make those announcement at BlizzCon 10 weeks later... and probably pull off a way more awe-inspiring presentation at their own show.

GamesCom is August 20-24 and BlizzCon is November 1-2. Here are the BlizzCon details for this year.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/blizzcon-2019-dates-and-ticket-details-announced-p/1100-6466498/

The biggest change for 2019 is 3 tiers of tickets. They cost $230 USD, $550 USD, and $750 USD.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16673 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-01 23:51:39
May 01 2019 20:55 GMT
#260
Epic Games Acquires Psyonix and Rocket League
https://ca.ign.com/articles/2019/05/01/epic-games-acquires-rocket-league-studio-psyonix

the game will be removed from Steam.

As for these changes, in the short term Psyonix claims nothing will change at all. In the future, it plans on bringing Rocket League to the Epic Games store and will grow the game in ways it couldn't do before.


On May 01 2019 12:53 Excalibur_Z wrote:
The Waypoint article on that is much better.

thx for the recommendation ... i'll check it out.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 76 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 27m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft401
mcanning 40
StarCraft: Brood War
Larva 242
Snow 159
TY 44
Noble 15
Bale 2
Britney 0
League of Legends
JimRising 720
Counter-Strike
summit1g8786
Stewie2K880
Other Games
shahzam778
NeuroSwarm53
KnowMe38
Mew2King37
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1193
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 69
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1313
• Stunt523
• masondota2291
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
5h 27m
PiGosaur Monday
18h 27m
The PondCast
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 18h
RSL Revival
2 days
WardiTV European League
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
WardiTV European League
3 days
FEL
3 days
[ Show More ]
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
FEL
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
FEL
5 days
BSL: ProLeague
5 days
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-06-28
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.