On May 02 2025 01:11 WombaT wrote: You don’t see any contradiction whatsoever in imploring people do do hobbyist programming in their spare time, because the job needs passion, and just refusing to keep on top of trends and experiment with them?
None at all?
i'm not imploring any one to do anything. if one is not passionate about it. don't do it. if you are passionate about crafting software then do exactly that. As the great Samwise Didier said "Always Be Creating".
That is just a textbook imploration though lmao. If you want to be an exceptional engineer, then yeah it helps. For many it’s just a regular job they do competently and pay their bills, and they’re happy to pursue other passions in their spare time.
Who wants to go to a regular job indefinitely while you just "pay their bills" ? ZZZzzzzz..... play it right and you're off the regular job tread mill in under 5 years.
again though, you have to love your craft. if you don't you're better off doing something else.
Linux began in 1991 as a personal project by Finnish student Linus Torvalds to create a new free operating system kernel. The resulting Linux kernel has been marked by constant growth throughout its history. Since the initial release of its source code in 1991,
a major part of the industry's foundation is various personal projects.
Most people. That is most people’s relationship with their job.
If you can match it with a passion, great! Nothing wrong with that. But you’re so out of touch with people who aren’t you it’s unbelievable.
Also, I don't think most freelance consultants are off the regular job treadmill. They're trading security for freedom and potentially larger margins. But most coders I know (and I've been in and out of diff software companies for most of my life) are just regular 9-5 jobbers, and the consultants I know fall in two groups: already made it (usually with crypto) and just doing consulting work as a way to stay busy. Their life doesn't depend on lining up the next project, or the ones that work their asses off to deliver quality projects in a timely manner, and their livelihood does depend on the next project lining up, but the good ones usually have more work than they can do anyway; doesn't stop them from working like crazy.
The latter doesn't sound like being off the treadmill. It's just a different treadmill.
On May 02 2025 23:48 Acrofales wrote: Also, I don't think most freelance consultants are off the regular job treadmill. They're trading security for freedom and potentially larger margins. But most coders I know (and I've been in and out of diff software companies for most of my life) are just regular 9-5 jobbers, and the consultants I know fall in two groups: already made it (usually with crypto) and just doing consulting work as a way to stay busy. Their life doesn't depend on lining up the next project, or the ones that work their asses off to deliver quality projects in a timely manner, and their livelihood does depend on the next project lining up, but the good ones usually have more work than they can do anyway; doesn't stop them from working like crazy.
The latter doesn't sound like being off the treadmill. It's just a different treadmill.
If you have 7 cars, 3 go karts, 2 boats, and 2 cottages you never get off the treadmill. Frivolous spending habits keep you on the treadmill forever.
That qualification aside, you get off the treadmill by making software products. Once most of your income is derived from selling the software product(s) rather than your time you can leave the treadmill if you wish. Usually you can expand upon some specific development task/project at work to create a product. You can complete the whole thing while at work.
Often times you can expand a 9 to 5 work project and turn it into your own product. Rick Strahl made xBase data retrievable over TCP/IP with West Wind Web Connection. In 2007, I was working on a custom report writer to replace Crystal Reports. I was making my own report writer product in parallel with completing the specific job tasks. Stonefield Systems Group wasn't happy when they found out a year later. Whatever man. I built my own personal language compiler rather than converting a bunch of Clipper/Foxpro/xBase applications into modern C#/SQL. Rick Strahl made the Markdown Monster Editor to make his work day easier. He sells it. One of the guys I play C&C and SC2 with made Icomoon to solve a problem with slow loading Wordpress pages at his job.
Every gaping hole in any orgs "tech stack" can become a product.
I don’t think anyone disputes that getting situated in such a manner is nice work if you can get it.
Equally, compared to 20/30+ years ago there’s plenty of work going that’s just a regular 9-5, you’ll be alright with basic competence and often the work-life balance and salary is absolutely sufficient for many folks.
One of my dad’s pals could have pushed a bit further, equally he got to a level he was happy at, did his music on the side and has several critically acclaimed (albeit niche) albums under the belt, record deal, got to play in Las Vegas supporting Neurosis (one of his all-time favourite bands) so he’s quite happy with that trade.
A path I hope to follow myself although I dunno if I’ll be playing Vegas any time soon!
Fundamentally it comes down to wanting to be an excellent engineer, or a decent one, plenty are alright with the latter. If you wanna be the former, great!
It’s advice reminiscent of ‘everyone should have a side hustle’, it’s 100% grand if it aligns well, but I think a 9-5 should cover your basic needs and only do a side hustle if it’s something you’re really passionate about.
Like yeah I could teach guitar on the side, but I’m only really interested in playing and writing. I also had an extremely atypical practice regimen versus every other musician I know, so I’m a fucking terrible teacher to anyone who isn’t a clone of me (or perhaps Minibat when he expresses some interest). Or my partner loves art but hated doing commission work when she tried it, you make a passion into a chore and you kill the passion.
after Asmongold lost his virginity or bought his first house or (insert personal accomplishment here) .... i don't think he was as happy as he is today. The man is beaming!
"we want to grow... just not with you" LOL.
"these changes come as we have more players, gamers, and game played hours than ever before" :D
On July 03 2025 07:02 WombaT wrote: Mods can we please rename thread to the Asmongold Extravaganza?
Might as well, this thread is just a boomer who desperately wants us to accept his parasocial relationship with some internet idiot to the world.
No doubt Jimmy is going to refer back to the golden age of the Atari 2600, the only time in his life that he had the ability to enjoy video games, and how current workers deserve the firings because their militant nature. If they weren’t so militant, they would have made the incompetence of Phil Spencer, Matt Booty, and other Xbox C-Suite losers work. All while going “lol”, “lmao” and making wrestling references from his teenage years.
There’s nothing particularly funny or enjoyable about the situation unless you’re an anhedonic asshole who can only find enjoyment in video games if you’re whining about them. Which is basically Asmongold and his viewers in a nutshell,
Laura Fryer, former MS employee, predicted these layoffs.
On July 03 2025 07:10 Hat Trick of Today wrote: No doubt Jimmy is going to refer back to the golden age of the Atari 2600, the only time in his life that he had the ability to enjoy video games,
LOL, I've written many times that PC Bangs are where I have the most fun playing video games. you prolly just gloss over my stuff. the Atari 2600 must be the most antisocial game experience ever. so many single player games. ZZzzz... PC Bangs and Arcades are where its at. Sitting at home playing video games puts me to sleep.
On a more serious note, Intellivision > Atari 2600. Intellivision Utopia is prolly the best game of that era. Which I've said many times. I don't think any Atari 2600 game comes close to Utopia. I go with a Crop, Housing Project, Fishing Boat opener myself. If the guy builds a Sub I just run for 5 minutes.
On July 03 2025 07:10 Hat Trick of Today wrote: There’s nothing particularly funny or enjoyable about the situation unless you’re an anhedonic asshole who can only find enjoyment in video games if you’re whining about them. Which is basically Asmongold and his viewers in a nutshell,
calling video game players racist and idiots while being super negative to the player base gets you laughed at when you get laid off. if you can dish it out on twitter ... you better be prepared for return fire.
It doesn’t take a genius to predict these layoffs, rumours have been circulating for like an entire year.
Literally all you ever do is make references to authority. Zero original thought, do you really think we’re going to watch some video from some person because you can’t make an argument without them making it for you? Or care when you name drop social media influencers as if we’re meant to know who they are?
On July 03 2025 07:10 Hat Trick of Today wrote: No doubt Jimmy is going to refer back to the golden age of the Atari 2600, the only time in his life that he had the ability to enjoy video games,
LOL, I've written many times that PC Bangs are where I have the most fun playing video games. you prolly just gloss over my stuff. the Atari 2600 must be the most antisocial game experience ever. so many single player games. ZZzzz... PC Bangs and Arcades are where its at. Sitting at home playing video games puts me to sleep.
Intellivision > Atari 2600. Intellivision Utopia is prolly the best game of that era. Which I've said many times.
On July 03 2025 07:10 Hat Trick of Today wrote: There’s nothing particularly funny or enjoyable about the situation unless you’re an anhedonic asshole who can only find enjoyment in video games if you’re whining about them. Which is basically Asmongold and his viewers in a nutshell,
calling video game players racist and idiots while being super negative to the player base gets you laughed at when you get laid off.
You know what else former MS employees predicted? That we'd never need more than 640kb of memory. So that isn't the appeal to authority you want it to be.
On July 03 2025 07:23 Hat Trick of Today wrote: It doesn’t take a genius to predict these layoffs, rumours have been circulating for like an entire year.
Literally all you ever do is make references to authority. Zero original thought, do you really think we’re going to watch some video from some person because you can’t make an argument without them making it for you? Or care when you name drop social media influencers as if we’re meant to know who they are?
i think my opinion on Utopia is a purely original thought. I have lots of original thoughts. What's your Utopia opener? I had the Raptors going 6 against Cleveland in 2016. No one on here agreed with me. Of course, none of them watch the Raptors as much as i did.
On July 03 2025 07:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Laura Fryer, former MS employee, predicted these layoffs.
On July 03 2025 07:10 Hat Trick of Today wrote: No doubt Jimmy is going to refer back to the golden age of the Atari 2600, the only time in his life that he had the ability to enjoy video games,
LOL, I've written many times that PC Bangs are where I have the most fun playing video games. you prolly just gloss over my stuff. the Atari 2600 must be the most antisocial game experience ever. so many single player games. ZZzzz... PC Bangs and Arcades are where its at. Sitting at home playing video games puts me to sleep.
Intellivision > Atari 2600. Intellivision Utopia is prolly the best game of that era. Which I've said many times.
On July 03 2025 07:10 Hat Trick of Today wrote: There’s nothing particularly funny or enjoyable about the situation unless you’re an anhedonic asshole who can only find enjoyment in video games if you’re whining about them. Which is basically Asmongold and his viewers in a nutshell,
calling video game players racist and idiots while being super negative to the player base gets you laughed at when you get laid off.
You know what else former MS employees predicted? That we'd never need more than 640kb of memory. So that isn't the appeal to authority you want it to be.
if you think Laura Fryer was off base with her projection you should present a counter argument. I think her views were pretty much spot on.
as far as , "appeal to authority", its just watching stuff and subscribing to a perspective i think is correct.
On July 03 2025 07:23 Hat Trick of Today wrote: It doesn’t take a genius to predict these layoffs, rumours have been circulating for like an entire year.
Literally all you ever do is make references to authority. Zero original thought, do you really think we’re going to watch some video from some person because you can’t make an argument without them making it for you? Or care when you name drop social media influencers as if we’re meant to know who they are?
i think my opinion on Utopia is a purely original thought. I have lots of original thoughts. What's your Utopia opener?
Yet absolutely none in this thread, do we need to highlight the number of times you’ve dumped an Asmongold video or referred to Laura Fryer, who you no doubt only know because Asmongold also uses her as an authority cudgel to back whatever position his audience wants to hear.
On July 03 2025 07:23 Hat Trick of Today wrote: It doesn’t take a genius to predict these layoffs, rumours have been circulating for like an entire year.
Literally all you ever do is make references to authority. Zero original thought, do you really think we’re going to watch some video from some person because you can’t make an argument without them making it for you? Or care when you name drop social media influencers as if we’re meant to know who they are?
i think my opinion on Utopia is a purely original thought. I have lots of original thoughts. What's your Utopia opener?
Yet absolutely none in this thread, do we need to highlight the number of times you’ve dumped an Asmongold video or referred to Laura Fryer, who you no doubt only know because Asmongold also uses her as an authority cudgel to back whatever position his audience wants to hear.
Does Asmongold or Fryer play Utopia? I've never heard either of them mention the game.
Do either of them have their best times playing video games in a PC Bang? looks to me like Asmongold primarily played at home.
"In other words, if credit card companies get mad about something, they could actually have the power to ban a game. The clause goes on to say that this will affect "certain kinds of adult-only content."
I think something similar happened in Japan with some anime websites earlier this year (or previous). I would say it is extremely worrying trend.
"In other words, if credit card companies get mad about something, they could actually have the power to ban a game. The clause goes on to say that this will affect "certain kinds of adult-only content."
I think something similar happened in Japan with some anime websites earlier this year (or previous). I would say it is extremely worrying trend.
The vast majority of these titles have obvious sexual themes and many have the word "incest" in the title. SteamDB doesn't give a reason for these removals, but the timing does match
I think it’s potentially worth worrying about but, at present I’ve no particular issue there.
I’m totally OK with fewer low effort incest simulators being on Steam, personally.
"In other words, if credit card companies get mad about something, they could actually have the power to ban a game. The clause goes on to say that this will affect "certain kinds of adult-only content."
I think something similar happened in Japan with some anime websites earlier this year (or previous). I would say it is extremely worrying trend.
The vast majority of these titles have obvious sexual themes and many have the word "incest" in the title. SteamDB doesn't give a reason for these removals, but the timing does match
I think it’s potentially worth worrying about but, at present I’ve no particular issue there.
I’m totally OK with fewer low effort incest simulators being on Steam, personally.
Sure. But it is always something simple everyone agrees on at first. Then, when precedent is established, it gets to stuff where people might be less likely to agree.
I personally highly dislike the idea of credit card companies deciding what kind of things can be sold.
"In other words, if credit card companies get mad about something, they could actually have the power to ban a game. The clause goes on to say that this will affect "certain kinds of adult-only content."
I think something similar happened in Japan with some anime websites earlier this year (or previous). I would say it is extremely worrying trend.
The vast majority of these titles have obvious sexual themes and many have the word "incest" in the title. SteamDB doesn't give a reason for these removals, but the timing does match
I think it’s potentially worth worrying about but, at present I’ve no particular issue there.
I’m totally OK with fewer low effort incest simulators being on Steam, personally.
It is not about what is banned (because initially it is pretty much always cporn/porn) it is about who is doing that and why they should be able to do so.
"In other words, if credit card companies get mad about something, they could actually have the power to ban a game. The clause goes on to say that this will affect "certain kinds of adult-only content."
I think something similar happened in Japan with some anime websites earlier this year (or previous). I would say it is extremely worrying trend.
The vast majority of these titles have obvious sexual themes and many have the word "incest" in the title. SteamDB doesn't give a reason for these removals, but the timing does match
I think it’s potentially worth worrying about but, at present I’ve no particular issue there.
I’m totally OK with fewer low effort incest simulators being on Steam, personally.
It is not about what is banned (because initially it is pretty much always cporn/porn) it is about who is doing that and why they should be able to do so.
Is incest porn illegal in a lot of markets? I mean I really don’t know
It may be that payment providers want to cover their arses, and Steam don’t want to implement a ton of geographic exemptions. So, erring with caution the payment providers just want a blanket ban in the absence of that.
I don’t really know, the article doesn’t really give any meat and cursory googling hasn’t given me much either. So it’s difficult for me to really judge the wisdom or otherwise of this move
"In other words, if credit card companies get mad about something, they could actually have the power to ban a game. The clause goes on to say that this will affect "certain kinds of adult-only content."
I think something similar happened in Japan with some anime websites earlier this year (or previous). I would say it is extremely worrying trend.
The vast majority of these titles have obvious sexual themes and many have the word "incest" in the title. SteamDB doesn't give a reason for these removals, but the timing does match
I think it’s potentially worth worrying about but, at present I’ve no particular issue there.
I’m totally OK with fewer low effort incest simulators being on Steam, personally.
It is not about what is banned (because initially it is pretty much always cporn/porn) it is about who is doing that and why they should be able to do so.
Is incest porn illegal in a lot of markets? I mean I really don’t know
It may be that payment providers want to cover their arses, and Steam don’t want to implement a ton of geographic exemptions. So, erring with caution the payment providers just want a blanket ban in the absence of that.
I don’t really know, the article doesn’t really give any meat and cursory googling hasn’t given me much either. So it’s difficult for me to really judge the wisdom or otherwise of this move
There is quite a bit of wrong in this post. Payment providers dont have to cover their arses ( thats sort of goes back to 2008 and to big to fail thing). Steam generally have light handed moderation (which I btw consider good thing). Problem is once you get strongarmed into one thing, more things will follow. I am not really sure what you dont know/understand. Digital payments are pretty much default setting now, idea that corporation can come and say: "no my dude you are not spending your money on that" is deranged.
"In other words, if credit card companies get mad about something, they could actually have the power to ban a game. The clause goes on to say that this will affect "certain kinds of adult-only content."
I think something similar happened in Japan with some anime websites earlier this year (or previous). I would say it is extremely worrying trend.
The vast majority of these titles have obvious sexual themes and many have the word "incest" in the title. SteamDB doesn't give a reason for these removals, but the timing does match
I think it’s potentially worth worrying about but, at present I’ve no particular issue there.
I’m totally OK with fewer low effort incest simulators being on Steam, personally.
It is not about what is banned (because initially it is pretty much always cporn/porn) it is about who is doing that and why they should be able to do so.
Is incest porn illegal in a lot of markets? I mean I really don’t know
It may be that payment providers want to cover their arses, and Steam don’t want to implement a ton of geographic exemptions. So, erring with caution the payment providers just want a blanket ban in the absence of that.
I don’t really know, the article doesn’t really give any meat and cursory googling hasn’t given me much either. So it’s difficult for me to really judge the wisdom or otherwise of this move
There is quite a bit of wrong in this post. Payment providers dont have to cover their arses ( thats sort of goes back to 2008 and to big to fail thing). Steam generally have light handed moderation (which I btw consider good thing). Problem is once you get strongarmed into one thing, more things will follow. I am not really sure what you dont know/understand. Digital payments are pretty much default setting now, idea that corporation can come and say: "no my dude you are not spending your money on that" is deranged.
Eventually new payment processes will emerge as an alternative norm to visa/mastercard just a matter of when. Then these payment providers will not be as strong as they seem or even necessary which they will lose their soft power
There always rises solutions when there is a need as it is shown by stablecoins popping everywhere or hell even the staple western-backed Swift is now getting competition which are under development or already in place.
When there's a need there always rises an alternative in the market.
Besides there will eventually be big franchises or orgs who will have balls to ditch popular payments services. It already happened with that one big manga/anime distributor cause visa/mastercard wanted to impose their own "ethics" on them so they discontinued use on that payment (not that it is a problem since most of their consumers are japanese which have alternative means anyways)
The more they intervene and try to have a heavy hand the more other alternative solutions will be pushed into development. It's how piracy spawned in the first place cause people had no means to get softwares. And it is how steam dominated cause they offered what other gamestores dont offer but they if they keep going censorship route there will definitely be new platforms will be available because of it
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