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On May 04 2026 13:37 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2026 10:42 Razyda wrote:On May 04 2026 01:58 KwarK wrote:On May 04 2026 01:23 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On May 03 2026 23:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 03 2026 23:20 EnDeR_ wrote:
So you're saying that people need to personally face the obvious consequences of their actions to change their mind?
We are in the shit then. Unfortunately, a lot of the cases were unvaccinated children, which means their negligent parents contributed to them becoming sick. Those parents should definitely face some consequences, but I'm not sure if that'll happen. (In reference to: "Of the 997 cases during the outbreak, 932 were among unvaccinated individuals who were mostly under the age of 17, state data shows.") Not to be like that but for the vast majority of parents (even in the demographic that doesn't vaccinate their kids) your child being severly sick is a consequence. Often it feels worse than you being sick. https://www.ksat.com/news/texas/2025/03/21/texas-parents-of-child-who-died-of-measles-urge-others-not-to-vaccinate/She said her stance on vaccination has not changed after her daughter’s death.
“The measles wasn’t that bad. They got over it pretty quickly,” the mother said of her other four surviving children who were treated with castor oil...
The deceased girl’s father insisted that measles helps build up a person’s immune system. “Also the measles are good for the body for the people,” the father said, explaining “You get an infection out.” I think you by accident omitted this part of article: "The couple, members of a Mennonite community in Gaines County with traditionally low vaccination rates" It's always been about very inclusive communities, which is sometimes lost in the rush to blame Republicans (which can be criticized independently). Canada didn't have a sudden influx of Republican illegal immigrants in 2025 when Canada's measles cases dwarfed America's. Nor was Canada's healthcare system run by some right-wing prime minister. They just had their own mennonite community hit hard.
The United States's anti-vaxxer problem is much bigger than that. I can't speak to Canada's situation, but in the United States, Republican leaders and activists (including Donald Trump and RFK Jr.) have actively made concerted efforts to spread anti-vaxxer bullshit and vaccine misinformation. They are absolutely contributing to vaccine hesitancy and enabling these outbreaks. Their words and actions are literally pro-disease, whether it's pro-covid or pro-flu or pro-measles. They have been contradicting the health experts and medical communities. I'm glad that Canada's leadership apparently isn't this devastatingly dangerous, but in the United States it's not *only* the Mennonite community being hit hard.
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On May 04 2026 08:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2026 01:23 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On May 03 2026 23:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 03 2026 23:20 EnDeR_ wrote:
So you're saying that people need to personally face the obvious consequences of their actions to change their mind?
We are in the shit then. Unfortunately, a lot of the cases were unvaccinated children, which means their negligent parents contributed to them becoming sick. Those parents should definitely face some consequences, but I'm not sure if that'll happen. (In reference to: "Of the 997 cases during the outbreak, 932 were among unvaccinated individuals who were mostly under the age of 17, state data shows.") Not to be like that but for the vast majority of parents (even in the demographic that doesn't vaccinate their kids) your child being severly sick is a consequence. Often it feels worse than you being sick. + "She is still sad that her kid died." You're right that feeling sad is an emotional consequence / response when a loved one is ill or dies. Maybe "punishment" is a better term for what I'm asking about? Do you think a parent who refuses to vaccinate their child should be punished for their negligence and willingness to needlessly jeopardize their child's health and possibly life? (This is assuming, of course, that we're setting aside the rare situation where the child can't be vaccinated due to being immunocompromised or some other scenario where the parent is actually behaving in a medically responsible manner. Most unvaccinated children are unvaccinated because their parents are stubbornly and ignorantly jeopardizing their children, even if they don't believe they are.)
I think there should be punishments for failure to accept, provide or seek active care, and for not using mandatory health-checks.
I don't think there should be any punishment for not using preventive care. Note that for some at risk patientents preventive care can be part of their active plan.
Also my view on what is an an active health problem probably is a bit different from the norm. Say if a kid is morbidly obese then nutrional advise, a diet and exercise is no longer preventive since it's treating an active condition.
But generally I don't think parents should be punished for not vaccinating their kids.
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On May 04 2026 13:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2026 13:37 dyhb wrote:On May 04 2026 10:42 Razyda wrote:On May 04 2026 01:58 KwarK wrote:On May 04 2026 01:23 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On May 03 2026 23:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 03 2026 23:20 EnDeR_ wrote:
So you're saying that people need to personally face the obvious consequences of their actions to change their mind?
We are in the shit then. Unfortunately, a lot of the cases were unvaccinated children, which means their negligent parents contributed to them becoming sick. Those parents should definitely face some consequences, but I'm not sure if that'll happen. (In reference to: "Of the 997 cases during the outbreak, 932 were among unvaccinated individuals who were mostly under the age of 17, state data shows.") Not to be like that but for the vast majority of parents (even in the demographic that doesn't vaccinate their kids) your child being severly sick is a consequence. Often it feels worse than you being sick. https://www.ksat.com/news/texas/2025/03/21/texas-parents-of-child-who-died-of-measles-urge-others-not-to-vaccinate/She said her stance on vaccination has not changed after her daughter’s death.
“The measles wasn’t that bad. They got over it pretty quickly,” the mother said of her other four surviving children who were treated with castor oil...
The deceased girl’s father insisted that measles helps build up a person’s immune system. “Also the measles are good for the body for the people,” the father said, explaining “You get an infection out.” I think you by accident omitted this part of article: "The couple, members of a Mennonite community in Gaines County with traditionally low vaccination rates" It's always been about very inclusive communities, which is sometimes lost in the rush to blame Republicans (which can be criticized independently). Canada didn't have a sudden influx of Republican illegal immigrants in 2025 when Canada's measles cases dwarfed America's. Nor was Canada's healthcare system run by some right-wing prime minister. They just had their own mennonite community hit hard. The United States's anti-vaxxer problem is much bigger than that. I can't speak to Canada's situation, but in the United States, Republican leaders and activists (including Donald Trump and RFK Jr.) have actively made concerted efforts to spread anti-vaxxer bullshit and vaccine misinformation. They are absolutely contributing to vaccine hesitancy and enabling these outbreaks. Their words and actions are literally pro-disease, whether it's pro-covid or pro-flu or pro-measles. They have been contradicting the health experts and medical communities. I'm glad that Canada's leadership apparently isn't this devastatingly dangerous, but in the United States it's not *only* the Mennonite community being hit hard. That’s why I said that it’s fine to independently criticize Republicans for their contributions while also acknowledging that the specific outbreaks in question are rooted in inclusive communities. I’m also critical of such figures as RFK Jr in their words and actions (they aren’t helping). I bring up Canada to hopefully wean you off of pointing out “bigger problems” in an absolute sense, since 5,000 cases to 2,200 cases would mean a lot of Republicans migrating north prior to 2025. If you’re so sure of major causes, then Canada’s leadership was much inferior to the US last year, which should lead to some humility in assigning the relative important of causes.
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