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LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3270 Posts
March 30 2026 17:21 GMT
#112221
On the discussion of "if you think censorship is unilaterally bad, why aren't you against the Trump administration flagrantly using the FCC to censor his critics," your position appears to be "it's OK for the FCC to censor the president's critics if they're about to get canceled anyway".

If that's not your position, then there's no reason to mention ratings or imminent cancellation for financial reasons, is there?

Imagine if Obama threatened to airstrike FOX News headquarters and I defended hypothetical-him by saying "well their profits were down this quarter," would that make sense?
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24802 Posts
March 30 2026 17:22 GMT
#112222
I'm giving a lot of thought to whether or not an airstrike on FOX News headquarters makes sense.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22415 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-30 18:06:58
March 30 2026 17:34 GMT
#112223
On March 31 2026 01:56 KwarK wrote:
The entire argument is nonsensical. The problem with abuse of power isn’t the power component, it’s the abuse. Rather than tackle the abuse part they go after the power part.

These people propose that their fear of abuse of power is so great that the power cannot exist, for even any possibility of abuse is too great to risk. If abuse of power risk is probability of abuse multiplied by degree of power then they argue the only way to guarantee that the product is zero is to set the power variable at zero because humans are ultimately fallible.

But if that argument were made in good faith then it would be far more urgently relevant to judges, police, politicians, the damn army. You can’t guarantee against a military coup and so better not to have an army.

And yet these people never seem to argue that. For some reason that we have yet to identify the “even well meaning limits on speech are too dangerous because what if a future bad actor used the power maliciously” only ever seems to come out when Nazi speech is involved. To quote a prominent Nazi, “curious”.

The solution to abuse of power is social and cultural norms that prevent abuse, it isn’t to create a society in which there are no rules.


The prerequisite is that you can detect the abuse. A 'hey, you're abusing power' by an otherwise powerless collective can work quickly to moderate it, but only if they are aware of it.

Transparency should begin at the top, not at the bottom. Unless the top has malicious intentions in the first place.

Extremely deceptive personalities with advanced technology are a tangible threat.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1757 Posts
March 30 2026 17:39 GMT
#112224
On March 31 2026 02:22 micronesia wrote:
I'm giving a lot of thought to whether or not an airstrike on FOX News headquarters makes sense.


I think that any incoming Democratic president could and would be immune from prosecution for it under the SC Presidential immunity.

Justifications on how this is very important to national security would be abundant, after all, without Fox news, there is no Trump presidency and Trump has been the biggest reason for world wide animosity towards Americans, so removing any future threats like that would be paramount to keep the country safe.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3270 Posts
March 30 2026 17:41 GMT
#112225
On March 31 2026 02:22 micronesia wrote:
I'm giving a lot of thought to whether or not an airstrike on FOX News headquarters makes sense.


On March 31 2026 02:39 Jankisa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2026 02:22 micronesia wrote:
I'm giving a lot of thought to whether or not an airstrike on FOX News headquarters makes sense.


I think that any incoming Democratic president could and would be immune from prosecution for it under the SC Presidential immunity.

Justifications on how this is very important to national security would be abundant, after all, without Fox news, there is no Trump presidency and Trump has been the biggest reason for world wide animosity towards Americans, so removing any future threats like that would be paramount to keep the country safe.


Y'all need to start putting an /s in your posts or we're going to get weeks of blood-weeping from Rayza about how much violence we incite
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6540 Posts
March 30 2026 17:43 GMT
#112226
On March 31 2026 02:21 LightSpectra wrote:
On the discussion of "if you think censorship is unilaterally bad, why aren't you against the Trump administration flagrantly using the FCC to censor his critics," your position appears to be "it's OK for the FCC to censor the president's critics if they're about to get canceled anyway".

If that's not your position, then there's no reason to mention ratings or imminent cancellation for financial reasons, is there?

Imagine if Obama threatened to airstrike FOX News headquarters and I defended hypothetical-him by saying "well their profits were down this quarter," would that make sense?

Today I learned an American president drone air striking a US news company in NYC is analogous to the FCC reminding CBS there's an equal time rule for broadcast television.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3270 Posts
March 30 2026 17:51 GMT
#112227
I can't wait for that to be enforced against FOX and Newsmax. Any day now.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
dyhb
Profile Joined August 2021
United States769 Posts
March 30 2026 17:52 GMT
#112228
On March 31 2026 02:22 micronesia wrote:
I'm giving a lot of thought to whether or not an airstrike on FOX News headquarters makes sense.
You’re probably safer discussing this than discussing their ratings within show categories.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6540 Posts
March 30 2026 17:57 GMT
#112229
On March 31 2026 02:51 LightSpectra wrote:
I can't wait for that to be enforced against FOX and Newsmax. Any day now.

Do you know the difference between broadcast and cable?

Do you also know what a "candidate" is or not
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3270 Posts
March 30 2026 18:03 GMT
#112230
Feel free to learn more about the issue here: FCC Chairman Brendan Carr’s unequal enforcement of the equal-time rule
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44353 Posts
March 30 2026 18:07 GMT
#112231
On March 31 2026 02:34 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2026 01:56 KwarK wrote:
The entire argument is nonsensical. The problem with abuse of power isn’t the power component, it’s the abuse. Rather than tackle the abuse part they go after the power part.

These people propose that their fear of abuse of power is so great that the power cannot exist, for even any possibility of abuse is too great to risk. If abuse of power risk is probability of abuse multiplied by degree of power then they argue the only way to guarantee that the product is zero is to set the power variable at zero because humans are ultimately fallible.

But if that argument were made in good faith then it would be far more urgently relevant to judges, police, politicians, the damn army. You can’t guarantee against a military coup and so better not to have an army.

And yet these people never seem to argue that. For some reason that we have yet to identify the “even well meaning limits on speech are too dangerous because what if a future bad actor used the power maliciously” only ever seems to come out when Nazi speech is involved. To quote a prominent Nazi, “curious”.

The solution to abuse of power is social and cultural norms that prevent abuse, it isn’t to create a society in which there are no rules.


The prerequisite is that you can detect the abuse. A 'hey, you're abusing power' by an otherwise powerless collective can work quickly to moderate it, but only if they are aware of it.

Transparency should begin at the top, not at the bottom. Unless the top has malicious intentions in the first place.

Sure, checks on abuse aren't perfect. But as we've seen that limits on power have no impact unless you already have the social and collective culture against abuse. This administration is constantly doing things that it lacks the power to do legally. Limits on power aren't working, only limits on abuse will work.

If an organization said that due to the fear of quid pro quos sexual harassment by management it would no longer be giving promotions you'd think they were idiots. And yet somehow "due to fear of giving bad advice in the future we can't tell people not to spread disease during a pandemic" is made by people pretending to be serious individuals.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27456 Posts
March 30 2026 18:09 GMT
#112232
On March 31 2026 01:56 KwarK wrote:
The entire argument is nonsensical. The problem with abuse of power isn’t the power component, it’s the abuse. Rather than tackle the abuse part they go after the power part.

These people propose that their fear of abuse of power is so great that the power cannot exist, for even any possibility of abuse is too great to risk. If abuse of power risk is probability of abuse multiplied by degree of power then they argue the only way to guarantee that the product is zero is to set the power variable at zero because humans are ultimately fallible.

But if that argument were made in good faith then it would be far more urgently relevant to judges, police, politicians, the damn army. You can’t guarantee against a military coup and so better not to have an army.

And yet these people never seem to argue that. For some reason that we have yet to identify the “even well meaning limits on speech are too dangerous because what if a future bad actor used the power maliciously” only ever seems to come out when Nazi speech is involved. To quote a prominent Nazi, “curious”.

The solution to abuse of power is social and cultural norms that prevent abuse, it isn’t to create a society in which there are no rules.

Musk isn’t a Nazi he’s just a big fan of K-Pop

Additionally, to generalise, it feels a lot of folks who make such arguments tend to be actively hostile to whistleblowers who em, reveal abuses of power.

Or are notably quiet when existing powers actually are levered against free speech by state institutions.

One has to wonder what the fear is in this specific domain, and why there’s seemingly such a scattershot approach to it versus similar ones.

I mean back in the day I’d basically never align with self-declared libertarians outside of things like drug policy, or on speech, where we’d somewhat sync. The modern variant often feels full of it and it’s more about the sacred right to call people slurs on the internet
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22415 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-30 18:30:11
March 30 2026 18:19 GMT
#112233
On March 31 2026 03:09 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2026 01:56 KwarK wrote:
The entire argument is nonsensical. The problem with abuse of power isn’t the power component, it’s the abuse. Rather than tackle the abuse part they go after the power part.

These people propose that their fear of abuse of power is so great that the power cannot exist, for even any possibility of abuse is too great to risk. If abuse of power risk is probability of abuse multiplied by degree of power then they argue the only way to guarantee that the product is zero is to set the power variable at zero because humans are ultimately fallible.

But if that argument were made in good faith then it would be far more urgently relevant to judges, police, politicians, the damn army. You can’t guarantee against a military coup and so better not to have an army.

And yet these people never seem to argue that. For some reason that we have yet to identify the “even well meaning limits on speech are too dangerous because what if a future bad actor used the power maliciously” only ever seems to come out when Nazi speech is involved. To quote a prominent Nazi, “curious”.

The solution to abuse of power is social and cultural norms that prevent abuse, it isn’t to create a society in which there are no rules.

Musk isn’t a Nazi he’s just a big fan of K-Pop

Additionally, to generalise, it feels a lot of folks who make such arguments tend to be actively hostile to whistleblowers who em, reveal abuses of power.

Or are notably quiet when existing powers actually are levered against free speech by state institutions.

One has to wonder what the fear is in this specific domain, and why there’s seemingly such a scattershot approach to it versus similar ones.

I mean back in the day I’d basically never align with self-declared libertarians outside of things like drug policy, or on speech, where we’d somewhat sync. The modern variant often feels full of it and it’s more about the sacred right to call people slurs on the internet


A nazi is someone who wants to kill off stuff at the edges of the normal distribution for existing. Or create apartheid.

Irrespectively of the symbolism.
What he did doesn‘t prove he is a nazi. Wanting to kill or exclude fringe minorities from normal activities makes people nazis.

Actively promoting the ideology also falls within the definition.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1757 Posts
March 30 2026 18:20 GMT
#112234
On March 31 2026 02:41 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2026 02:22 micronesia wrote:
I'm giving a lot of thought to whether or not an airstrike on FOX News headquarters makes sense.


Show nested quote +
On March 31 2026 02:39 Jankisa wrote:
On March 31 2026 02:22 micronesia wrote:
I'm giving a lot of thought to whether or not an airstrike on FOX News headquarters makes sense.


I think that any incoming Democratic president could and would be immune from prosecution for it under the SC Presidential immunity.

Justifications on how this is very important to national security would be abundant, after all, without Fox news, there is no Trump presidency and Trump has been the biggest reason for world wide animosity towards Americans, so removing any future threats like that would be paramount to keep the country safe.


Y'all need to start putting an /s in your posts or we're going to get weeks of blood-weeping from Rayza about how much violence we incite


Maybe it's just bait so I can get him to comment on the reactions for Muller and Reiner from the right, specificially the president, seems like this was all largely skipped over by our resident centrists, except, of course, to join in attacking Muller for "leading a which hunt" and "trying to destroy Trump".
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44353 Posts
March 30 2026 18:42 GMT
#112235
While skimming Trump's truth for new Iran content I found this.
[image loading]

But don't worry, I have it on good authority that he's only joking about not leaving power. Even though last time he was told to leave power he attempted a coup.

In other news, Russian oil tankers have breached the fuel "blockade" around Cuba by sailing through it in a move that Trump explained as
I told them, if a country wants to send some oil into Cuba right now, I have no problem.
The effectiveness of the blockade is now in question.

Also the Times of Israel published an article 2 days ago with an explanation of what happened to the Kurdish proxy force plan in Iran. Essentially Israel came up with the plan of fragmenting Iran on ethnic lines as part of their goal of deconstructing it and ideally causing a civil war. The US started meeting with Iranian Kurdish leaders on March 3 but then decided to leak that they were doing it. This caused two immediate responses. The first was the Iranian army launching a preemptive strike against Iranian Kurdish groups. The second was that Turkey, the regional power with the largest and most capable army and a nation that directly borders the Kurdish regions of Iran, calling up Trump and saying that if that plan went ahead they'd be directly entering the war as a third side that was broadly Iran aligned. They would not tolerate the creation of a Kurdistan on their borders.

The clown show continues.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46484 Posts
March 30 2026 18:44 GMT
#112236
On March 31 2026 02:41 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2026 02:22 micronesia wrote:
I'm giving a lot of thought to whether or not an airstrike on FOX News headquarters makes sense.


Show nested quote +
On March 31 2026 02:39 Jankisa wrote:
On March 31 2026 02:22 micronesia wrote:
I'm giving a lot of thought to whether or not an airstrike on FOX News headquarters makes sense.


I think that any incoming Democratic president could and would be immune from prosecution for it under the SC Presidential immunity.

Justifications on how this is very important to national security would be abundant, after all, without Fox news, there is no Trump presidency and Trump has been the biggest reason for world wide animosity towards Americans, so removing any future threats like that would be paramount to keep the country safe.


Y'all need to start putting an /s in your posts or we're going to get weeks of blood-weeping from Rayza about how much violence we incite

Turns out it was oBlade this time. Good guess though!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3270 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-30 18:56:43
March 30 2026 18:56 GMT
#112237
Maybe the US let Russia break the embargo on Cuba so they'll look like they're heroes saving a tiny, starved-out nation from US crimes against humanity, and, therefore, the US isn't so bad for un-sanctioning Russia.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6540 Posts
March 30 2026 19:02 GMT
#112238
On March 31 2026 03:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2026 02:41 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 31 2026 02:22 micronesia wrote:
I'm giving a lot of thought to whether or not an airstrike on FOX News headquarters makes sense.


On March 31 2026 02:39 Jankisa wrote:
On March 31 2026 02:22 micronesia wrote:
I'm giving a lot of thought to whether or not an airstrike on FOX News headquarters makes sense.


I think that any incoming Democratic president could and would be immune from prosecution for it under the SC Presidential immunity.

Justifications on how this is very important to national security would be abundant, after all, without Fox news, there is no Trump presidency and Trump has been the biggest reason for world wide animosity towards Americans, so removing any future threats like that would be paramount to keep the country safe.


Y'all need to start putting an /s in your posts or we're going to get weeks of blood-weeping from Rayza about how much violence we incite

Turns out it was oBlade this time. Good guess though!

What are you talking about?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1757 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-30 19:30:58
March 30 2026 19:26 GMT
#112239
On March 31 2026 03:42 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
While skimming Trump's truth for new Iran content I found this.
[image loading]

But don't worry, I have it on good authority that he's only joking about not leaving power. Even though last time he was told to leave power he attempted a coup.

In other news, Russian oil tankers have breached the fuel "blockade" around Cuba by sailing through it in a move that Trump explained as
Show nested quote +
I told them, if a country wants to send some oil into Cuba right now, I have no problem.
The effectiveness of the blockade is now in question.

Also the Times of Israel published an article 2 days ago with an explanation of what happened to the Kurdish proxy force plan in Iran. Essentially Israel came up with the plan of fragmenting Iran on ethnic lines as part of their goal of deconstructing it and ideally causing a civil war. The US started meeting with Iranian Kurdish leaders on March 3 but then decided to leak that they were doing it. This caused two immediate responses. The first was the Iranian army launching a preemptive strike against Iranian Kurdish groups. The second was that Turkey, the regional power with the largest and most capable army and a nation that directly borders the Kurdish regions of Iran, calling up Trump and saying that if that plan went ahead they'd be directly entering the war as a third side that was broadly Iran aligned. They would not tolerate the creation of a Kurdistan on their borders.

The clown show continues.


As always, the political and strategic savvy of the current Trump admin is on full display, what a masterclass of shooting yourself in the dick.

There has been increased tension between Israel and Türkiye, ex-PM Naftali Bennet called them "the next Iran" and said "Tehran 2026 is Ankara 2036", he's trying to position himself to the right of Nethyanahu, his party started sliding in polls while Likud got a boost from attacking Iran, so, he decided to take it a step further.

Israels belligerence is not going to get better any time soon and they have been dangerously close to open hostilities with Türkiye for a while, bombing their allies in Syria and sharpening the rethoric.

Of course, I am no fan of Erdogan, Turkish nationalism or their treatment of Kurds, but Israel has demonstrated its willingness to destabilize the whole world, at some point, Trump is going to leave them out in the cold like he does with everyone eventually (except Putin) and I don't even want to think all the ways this can go wrong, especially with their "secret" Nuclear weapons program.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27456 Posts
March 30 2026 21:42 GMT
#112240
On March 31 2026 03:42 KwarK wrote:
While skimming Trump's truth for new Iran content I found this.
[image loading]

But don't worry, I have it on good authority that he's only joking about not leaving power. Even though last time he was told to leave power he attempted a coup.

In other news, Russian oil tankers have breached the fuel "blockade" around Cuba by sailing through it in a move that Trump explained as
Show nested quote +
I told them, if a country wants to send some oil into Cuba right now, I have no problem.
The effectiveness of the blockade is now in question.

Also the Times of Israel published an article 2 days ago with an explanation of what happened to the Kurdish proxy force plan in Iran. Essentially Israel came up with the plan of fragmenting Iran on ethnic lines as part of their goal of deconstructing it and ideally causing a civil war. The US started meeting with Iranian Kurdish leaders on March 3 but then decided to leak that they were doing it. This caused two immediate responses. The first was the Iranian army launching a preemptive strike against Iranian Kurdish groups. The second was that Turkey, the regional power with the largest and most capable army and a nation that directly borders the Kurdish regions of Iran, calling up Trump and saying that if that plan went ahead they'd be directly entering the war as a third side that was broadly Iran aligned. They would not tolerate the creation of a Kurdistan on their borders.

The clown show continues.

Hopefully the next bloke or blokette has better aim…

Joking aside, there’s such a vibe of incompetence exhibited through this conflict thus far that I really can’t recall anything comparable. It’s really quite something

Aside from Occam’s Razor I can’t think of too many alternative explanations.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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