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On April 02 2026 00:29 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 22:07 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Trump is so fucking mad that Europe and the gulf states aren't agreeing to his masterfully crafted exit strategy of getting them involved in the war and then immediately dipping out leaving them with a flaming pile of shit.
If Irans government doesn't magically collapse within weeks (which to be fair would be great and I don't give a shit if it gives Trump the biggest W possible) then there are only a few options left.
1. Go home.
2. Iraq level ground invasion.
3. War crime level air campaign where you take out energy infrastructure and powerplants and other shit until Iran is back at preindustrial levels. Bibbi probably goes around with a constant half chub thinking about this option. This is the likely reason EU countries are starting to reconsider an open airspace for bombing. Being complicit in something that will kill hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people and displace tens of millions, will likely triggering extreme civil unrest possibly war, while also fucking the global economy at the same time, is just a bad look.
4. Continue muddling along hoping for the best.
100% that EU is ready to open the strait of Hormuz if the US just fucks off. All they (with the help of China) has to do is to get Israel to back down and Iran should be very receptacle to the idea as long as some of the US redlines are of the table. Since the world doesn't care that much about most of them it would not be difficult. Note that Iran's response to option 3 is to do the same to everyone around them. The entire world hates America's guts already for directly causing this energy crisis. Image how they will feel when the entire middle easts oil and gas production goes up in flames. And America will rightfully get the blame for it, they are the cause of this. Not Iran.
Both are, even some will think Iran is more at fault. But the reality is that when everyone already thought of you as an awful pariah state nothing changes. Iran had/has nothing to lose. America had tons to lose, and is losing it.
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Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.
1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so
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On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.
1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so
If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point.
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I don't think oBlade is 12, but as a parent myself, if my son were on the internet spreading rape apologism and fascist rhetoric, I'd be perfectly fine them getting bullied for it. Reap what you sow.
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On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.
1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so
If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point.
By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.
Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.
Hope that clears it up.
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On April 02 2026 00:37 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 23:24 LightSpectra wrote:On April 01 2026 23:21 WombaT wrote:On April 01 2026 23:07 oBlade wrote:On April 01 2026 22:24 LightSpectra wrote:On April 01 2026 21:25 Jankisa wrote:
I find it supremely ironic that people like our brain rotten centrist here have the gall to speak of moral clarity when the war is being waged by 2 guys who are in power and escalating wars because they are trying to stay out of jail. You just don't understand, if we don't bomb schools and cancer medicine manufacturers then Iran will nuke us one day. Oh it's okay I have good news for you there's no problem buddy, the US is just more technologically and scientifically advanced than Iran.On April 01 2026 22:47 PoulsenB wrote:
Ah, so the US and Israel are morally superior because they didn't rape the girls that were killed in the Iranian school they bombed. Im learning so much about morality. If you think Iran is morally superior to the US, your worldliness could be lacking. If you think Iran and the US are moral equals, there can't be an issue with them having a fair go at each other now, can there. If you think the US is morally superior to Iran, you'd be correct and also not be wrong to add that no that doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want like nuke Tehran. To most people it's obvious and goes without saying, but yes it's correct. However. Thinking that moral superiority means the US standard has to be to exist with such perfection as to not let a single soldier be killed or injured, not let a single civilian die, not make a single mistake, not have a single incidence of collateral damage, while Iran can do whatever the FUCK it wants because otherwise it might hurt your gas prices for a bit, is go back to the drawing board of morality territory. Totally disconnected from reality. The US does not bomb schools on purpose. The insinuation is baseless propaganda. Too much of the coddled first world just has no idea. They must be rational actors right Drumpf pushed them to it? When the Nazis were losing WW2, they devoted more resources to the Final Solution. Hitler devoted more resources to the V2. Why? Was the V2 helping stop allied bombers to equalize the air war? No. It was solely to terrorize British civilians. Devoting more resources to the extermination of the Jewish people was solely evil, spite, it didn't matter how the war was going, at least take the Jews down with them was the idea. Perhaps the US should have backed off in WW2 because winning made the Holocaust worse? No. You confront evil and the consequences are the evil's fault. Awk bless, you’re really trying. Holy strawmen Batman. You can’t actually believe what you’re splurging out here can you? One day Trump will blatantly admit he only started the war to help him in the midterms, and oBlade will defend him by saying that the war could've been avoided if only Democrats said they approved of him when polled about it, so the blood is really on our hands if you think about it. Bet money on it. Operation Overlord is good even if FDR had only done it to win the election that year. When something is just, there's no reason to argue for avoiding it. Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 23:33 KwarK wrote:On April 01 2026 23:23 oBlade wrote:On April 01 2026 23:18 KwarK wrote:
The complaint isn’t that Iran is perfect, it’s that the US is losing the war against Iran. oblade going “oh, so you support Iran then?” is absurd when the only person advocating for surrendering to Iran is him. If Trump is going to start a war with Iran then the least he could do is fucking win it. I'm with you, he definitely should go much, much further. Or, if he doesn’t have a plan for winning the war, maybe don’t start one. Maybe make the plan first, then start the war. But you’ve been the one constantly defending the plan of achieving strategic surprise by not telling his allies or military planners or the people in charge of the strategic petroleum reserve that he was going to do it. This is part of your Trump-doesn't-really-count-as-President complex. You're a paperwork guy which is fine. But you don't know how authority works and what a boss is. You think the system is the boss. The system is nothing. The leader is the boss. In this case, the president. Systems don't do things. They just sit there. The president doesn't report to someone in the system that outranks him. God knows what "military planners" refers to. The US has militarily planned for everything. The US has militarily planned for invading Mexico and Canada. When he sent 2 carriers do you think they got there when the war started and then said oops we forgot to bring the planes? or the bombs to put on them? Trump's link to the military is Caine. The chain of command goes through the joint chiefs. Really don't know who "military planners" is supposed to be that Trump was supposed to go to their office and say hey guys, war in Iran next week, figure something out, but he kept them out of the loop. Like there's one chain of command and then an oh wait actual war is on your mind alternate chain of command. Everyone in the US military is deliberately arranged in a 250 year old loop. Who are the "military planners" that Trump is supposed to report to that were kept out of the loop?
The US is only now moving naval assets into the region. The littoral combat ships that were designed with the gulf in mind were nowhere near the gulf. The USS Tulsa and USS Santa Barbara are part of a ship class specifically designed and built for a war with Iran over the strait. They were stationed 6000 miles from the strait at the outset of the war.
Interceptor missiles had to be rushed to the region from PACCOM. So to answer your question of who the military planners who were kept out of the loop were, seems like all of them. That’s why we’re a month into the war and the pre-war deployment isn’t finished yet.
Look, you can either say that this is going as planned and the plan was to have everything hopelessly out of position at the outset of the war or you can say that this wasn’t planned. What you can’t do with any credibility is insist over and over that this is all fine.
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On April 02 2026 00:58 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2026 00:29 Gorsameth wrote:On April 01 2026 22:07 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Trump is so fucking mad that Europe and the gulf states aren't agreeing to his masterfully crafted exit strategy of getting them involved in the war and then immediately dipping out leaving them with a flaming pile of shit.
If Irans government doesn't magically collapse within weeks (which to be fair would be great and I don't give a shit if it gives Trump the biggest W possible) then there are only a few options left.
1. Go home.
2. Iraq level ground invasion.
3. War crime level air campaign where you take out energy infrastructure and powerplants and other shit until Iran is back at preindustrial levels. Bibbi probably goes around with a constant half chub thinking about this option. This is the likely reason EU countries are starting to reconsider an open airspace for bombing. Being complicit in something that will kill hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people and displace tens of millions, will likely triggering extreme civil unrest possibly war, while also fucking the global economy at the same time, is just a bad look.
4. Continue muddling along hoping for the best.
100% that EU is ready to open the strait of Hormuz if the US just fucks off. All they (with the help of China) has to do is to get Israel to back down and Iran should be very receptacle to the idea as long as some of the US redlines are of the table. Since the world doesn't care that much about most of them it would not be difficult. Note that Iran's response to option 3 is to do the same to everyone around them. The entire world hates America's guts already for directly causing this energy crisis. Image how they will feel when the entire middle easts oil and gas production goes up in flames. And America will rightfully get the blame for it, they are the cause of this. Not Iran. Both are, even some will think Iran is more at fault. But the reality is that when everyone already thought of you as an awful pariah state nothing changes. Iran had/has nothing to lose. America had tons to lose, and is losing it.
It’d be different if Iran routinely closed the strait every time they got bored. But as I keep repeating, they insisted this was an absolute last resort that they would only use if it was a matter of national survival and then in 2025 when the bombs fell they still didn’t use it.
Iran’s position of “you can do anything to us but a regime change attempt and we won’t touch the oil” is one that is evidently reasonable. That’s why the US gets blamed. They could do anything they liked to Iran except try the one thing and the US declared that they were going to do the one thing. And what’s worse, they fucking missed. They went in with a regime change YOLO and they didn’t change the regime.
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ya, the USA can fuck off.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/article/buy-canadian-policy-flagged-by-us-as-trade-irritant-report/
The document also raised concerns about the federal government’s “Buy Canadian” procurement policy that aims to ensure Canadian products and workers are prioritized in contracts worth $25 million or more.
"Buy Canadian" is a grass roots movement. The Canadian government is reacting to what the average Canadian wants. It is one of the reasons Carney is way up in the polls. He is doing what Canadians want. In the suburbs of Toronto I see 10X as many Canadian flags being flown by private citizens in and around their private homes compared to 10 years ago. Canadian flags are every where. When the President and Republicans more and more trash the shit out of a nation and its people ... this is what you get boys.
For a real estate mogul... Trump really isn't much of a salesman. This first thing I learned about being a salesman is that you have to start off your interactions politely and diplomatically.
I'd say from ~2000 to 2016 most Canadians viewed buying something American was within 95% of buying Canadian. Something happened in 2017 though... I'm not sure what it was...
EDIT: also, years ago there would be 1 USA flag flying for every 4 Canadian flags. The American flag was pretty common. Now, the American flag has all but disappeared except in the business/bank district of Toronto.
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On April 02 2026 02:04 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.
1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so
If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point. + Show Spoiler +
By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.
Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.
Hope that clears it up.
It is fascinating to see just how the social dynamics have evolved from back when the notion of bullying other posters was an argument to ban people lol.
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On April 02 2026 02:07 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2026 00:37 oBlade wrote:On April 01 2026 23:24 LightSpectra wrote:On April 01 2026 23:21 WombaT wrote:On April 01 2026 23:07 oBlade wrote:On April 01 2026 22:24 LightSpectra wrote:On April 01 2026 21:25 Jankisa wrote:
I find it supremely ironic that people like our brain rotten centrist here have the gall to speak of moral clarity when the war is being waged by 2 guys who are in power and escalating wars because they are trying to stay out of jail. You just don't understand, if we don't bomb schools and cancer medicine manufacturers then Iran will nuke us one day. Oh it's okay I have good news for you there's no problem buddy, the US is just more technologically and scientifically advanced than Iran.On April 01 2026 22:47 PoulsenB wrote:
Ah, so the US and Israel are morally superior because they didn't rape the girls that were killed in the Iranian school they bombed. Im learning so much about morality. If you think Iran is morally superior to the US, your worldliness could be lacking. If you think Iran and the US are moral equals, there can't be an issue with them having a fair go at each other now, can there. If you think the US is morally superior to Iran, you'd be correct and also not be wrong to add that no that doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want like nuke Tehran. To most people it's obvious and goes without saying, but yes it's correct. However. Thinking that moral superiority means the US standard has to be to exist with such perfection as to not let a single soldier be killed or injured, not let a single civilian die, not make a single mistake, not have a single incidence of collateral damage, while Iran can do whatever the FUCK it wants because otherwise it might hurt your gas prices for a bit, is go back to the drawing board of morality territory. Totally disconnected from reality. The US does not bomb schools on purpose. The insinuation is baseless propaganda. Too much of the coddled first world just has no idea. They must be rational actors right Drumpf pushed them to it? When the Nazis were losing WW2, they devoted more resources to the Final Solution. Hitler devoted more resources to the V2. Why? Was the V2 helping stop allied bombers to equalize the air war? No. It was solely to terrorize British civilians. Devoting more resources to the extermination of the Jewish people was solely evil, spite, it didn't matter how the war was going, at least take the Jews down with them was the idea. Perhaps the US should have backed off in WW2 because winning made the Holocaust worse? No. You confront evil and the consequences are the evil's fault. Awk bless, you’re really trying. Holy strawmen Batman. You can’t actually believe what you’re splurging out here can you? One day Trump will blatantly admit he only started the war to help him in the midterms, and oBlade will defend him by saying that the war could've been avoided if only Democrats said they approved of him when polled about it, so the blood is really on our hands if you think about it. Bet money on it. Operation Overlord is good even if FDR had only done it to win the election that year. When something is just, there's no reason to argue for avoiding it. On April 01 2026 23:33 KwarK wrote:On April 01 2026 23:23 oBlade wrote:On April 01 2026 23:18 KwarK wrote:
The complaint isn’t that Iran is perfect, it’s that the US is losing the war against Iran. oblade going “oh, so you support Iran then?” is absurd when the only person advocating for surrendering to Iran is him. If Trump is going to start a war with Iran then the least he could do is fucking win it. I'm with you, he definitely should go much, much further. Or, if he doesn’t have a plan for winning the war, maybe don’t start one. Maybe make the plan first, then start the war. But you’ve been the one constantly defending the plan of achieving strategic surprise by not telling his allies or military planners or the people in charge of the strategic petroleum reserve that he was going to do it. This is part of your Trump-doesn't-really-count-as-President complex. You're a paperwork guy which is fine. But you don't know how authority works and what a boss is. You think the system is the boss. The system is nothing. The leader is the boss. In this case, the president. Systems don't do things. They just sit there. The president doesn't report to someone in the system that outranks him. God knows what "military planners" refers to. The US has militarily planned for everything. The US has militarily planned for invading Mexico and Canada. When he sent 2 carriers do you think they got there when the war started and then said oops we forgot to bring the planes? or the bombs to put on them? Trump's link to the military is Caine. The chain of command goes through the joint chiefs. Really don't know who "military planners" is supposed to be that Trump was supposed to go to their office and say hey guys, war in Iran next week, figure something out, but he kept them out of the loop. Like there's one chain of command and then an oh wait actual war is on your mind alternate chain of command. Everyone in the US military is deliberately arranged in a 250 year old loop. Who are the "military planners" that Trump is supposed to report to that were kept out of the loop? The US is only now moving naval assets into the region. The littoral combat ships that were designed with the gulf in mind were nowhere near the gulf. The USS Tulsa and USS Santa Barbara are part of a ship class specifically designed and built for a war with Iran over the strait. They were stationed 6000 miles from the strait at the outset of the war. Interceptor missiles had to be rushed to the region from PACCOM. So to answer your question of who the military planners who were kept out of the loop were, seems like all of them. That’s why we’re a month into the war and the pre-war deployment isn’t finished yet. Look, you can either say that this is going as planned and the plan was to have everything hopelessly out of position at the outset of the war or you can say that this wasn’t planned. What you can’t do with any credibility is insist over and over that this is all fine.
They are only now moving naval assets into the region?
What do you think an aircraft carrier is? Where do you think the air strikes have been coming from?
At the end of February there were 7 destroyers in the area, and 9 if you count the Med. The USS Ford brought two more when it came. That's 11 destroyers. Which also get rotated out because you can't reload VLS cells once you fire them, you have to go to port. Speaking of which carriers also get rotated in and out of port for servicing which is why even though the US has 11 there aren't 8 next to Iran, and that's not a massive Drumpf blunder or Blumpfder as I like to say.
Both littoral classes are considered a design failure in naval circles which is why the classes aren't being built out. They turned out only marginally better for what they were supposed to be for than the Zumwalt destroyers were for their own goal.
The littoral ships are not practical. They are not useful on Day 1. The same reason battleship shore bombardment is not viable, you already have to have extreme supremacy to be that close to a shore, at which point the things you would need to be near a shore to do have mostly been done already. It's like saying the marine brigades weren't ready yet. Yeah they didn't need to land on Day 1 either.
I think we get it. If you were running the war, you would build up MORE first and then go. The disadvantages are you have to protect your littoral ship from getting blown up while doing littoral combat on Day 1, you have to protect helicopters from getting shot down carrying marines before total air supremacy is achieved, you have less missiles to do strikes because you're devoting more to interceptors protecting your helicopters and littoral ships, and so on.
They deployed an E-3 that was at a base in Saudi Arabia you shat on for getting blown up. How are you now complaining someone has messed up by not putting other easily blow-uppable things close to Iran earlier.
Your assumptions about how the military normally runs or is supposed to run might just be wrong. Things can all be fine even if they are taking longer than a theorycrafted timemaxxing DoD would take to do the same things. Behind every sentence that they are "moving" or "deploying" something now is the insinuation they needed it instantly, tried to deploy it, realized it didn't teleport, and now have to wait until it gets there delaying the entire war. Suppose you invented that, and what's really happening is they're just deploying things because they need them by the time they will get there...?
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On April 02 2026 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2026 02:04 Jankisa wrote:On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.
1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so
If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point. + Show Spoiler +
By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.
Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.
Hope that clears it up. It is fascinating to see just how the social dynamics have evolved from back when the notion of bullying other posters was an argument to ban people lol.
Pretty common in the TL mafia forum, at least as long as it was funny and in sight.
Teaches you well. But the standards have really shifted over the years, and you don‘t know where content starts bouncing off into.
If I took Kwarks posts and reposted them on truth social or something, or made accounts pretending to be Kwark and so on, it would cause quite a bit of an issue for Kwark if he didn't notice it. Maybe after doxxing him too.
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On April 02 2026 02:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2026 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 02 2026 02:04 Jankisa wrote:On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.
1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so
If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point. + Show Spoiler +
By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.
Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.
Hope that clears it up. It is fascinating to see just how the social dynamics have evolved from back when the notion of bullying other posters was an argument to ban people lol. Pretty common in the TL mafia forum, at least as long as it was funny and in sight. Teaches you well. But the standards have really shifted over the years, and you don‘t know where content starts bouncing off into.
Hooo man, I had no idea what was going on over there until I randomly mentioned it (the games concept) in an analogy and popped over there to see what it was actually like and just...wow.
I get it. Most of the people here see this space basically as a petulant " MAGA vs Lib PWN fight" so it just feels like I'm on the other team. The fact that the fight, and especially the incessant petty childish shitposting part, is a documented and deliberate distraction to prevent class consciousness can't penetrate their world view any more than Trump's absurdity can MAGA's.
I'm mostly just trying to figure out if it was just that I used to have the same politics as people like Jankisa/Light and I'm looking through rose-tinted nostalgia glasses or if there really was a time when the political discussions weren't so...uninspired?
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On April 01 2026 23:21 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 23:07 oBlade wrote:On April 01 2026 22:24 LightSpectra wrote:On April 01 2026 21:25 Jankisa wrote:
I find it supremely ironic that people like our brain rotten centrist here have the gall to speak of moral clarity when the war is being waged by 2 guys who are in power and escalating wars because they are trying to stay out of jail. You just don't understand, if we don't bomb schools and cancer medicine manufacturers then Iran will nuke us one day. Oh it's okay I have good news for you there's no problem buddy, the US is just more technologically and scientifically advanced than Iran.On April 01 2026 22:47 PoulsenB wrote:
Ah, so the US and Israel are morally superior because they didn't rape the girls that were killed in the Iranian school they bombed. Im learning so much about morality. If you think Iran is morally superior to the US, your worldliness could be lacking. If you think Iran and the US are moral equals, there can't be an issue with them having a fair go at each other now, can there. If you think the US is morally superior to Iran, you'd be correct and also not be wrong to add that no that doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want like nuke Tehran. To most people it's obvious and goes without saying, but yes it's correct. However. Thinking that moral superiority means the US standard has to be to exist with such perfection as to not let a single soldier be killed or injured, not let a single civilian die, not make a single mistake, not have a single incidence of collateral damage, while Iran can do whatever the FUCK it wants because otherwise it might hurt your gas prices for a bit, is go back to the drawing board of morality territory. Totally disconnected from reality. The US does not bomb schools on purpose. The insinuation is baseless propaganda. Too much of the coddled first world just has no idea. They must be rational actors right Drumpf pushed them to it? When the Nazis were losing WW2, they devoted more resources to the Final Solution. Hitler devoted more resources to the V2. Why? Was the V2 helping stop allied bombers to equalize the air war? No. It was solely to terrorize British civilians. Devoting more resources to the extermination of the Jewish people was solely evil, spite, it didn't matter how the war was going, at least take the Jews down with them was the idea. Perhaps the US should have backed off in WW2 because winning made the Holocaust worse? No. You confront evil and the consequences are the evil's fault. Awk bless, you’re really trying. Holy strawmen Batman. You can’t actually believe what you’re splurging out here can you?
I think with oBlade it's a sunk cost fallacy. He seems to be smart enough to know that he voted for a terrible mistake but rather than admit it, he's going down with the ship for whatever reason.
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On April 02 2026 02:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2026 02:41 Vivax wrote:On April 02 2026 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 02 2026 02:04 Jankisa wrote:On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.
1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so
If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point. + Show Spoiler +
By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.
Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.
Hope that clears it up. It is fascinating to see just how the social dynamics have evolved from back when the notion of bullying other posters was an argument to ban people lol. Pretty common in the TL mafia forum, at least as long as it was funny and in sight. Teaches you well. But the standards have really shifted over the years, and you don‘t know where content starts bouncing off into. Hooo man, I had no idea what was going on over there until I randomly mentioned it (the games concept) in an analogy and popped over there to see what it was actually like and just...wow. I get it. Most of the people here see this space basically as a petulant " MAGA vs Lib PWN fight" so it just feels like I'm on the other team. The fact that the fight, and especially the incessant petty childish shitposting part, is a documented and deliberate distraction to prevent class consciousness can't penetrate their world view any more than Trump's absurdity can MAGA's. I'm mostly just trying to figure out if it was just that I used to have the same politics as people like Jankisa/Light and I'm looking through rose-tinted nostalgia glasses or if there really was a time when the political discussions weren't so...uninspired?
They seem pretty inspired to me lately.
Fundamentally I view Dems as those who think the government should adapt to the population while Republicans want the people to adapt to a strict state.
Dems also had the chance of doing better so nobody would have to put up with this chaos. But they're also the less funded of the two parties. Four years of gender debates weren't very effective at stopping a second Trump term.
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On April 02 2026 02:54 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 23:21 WombaT wrote:On April 01 2026 23:07 oBlade wrote:On April 01 2026 22:24 LightSpectra wrote:On April 01 2026 21:25 Jankisa wrote:
I find it supremely ironic that people like our brain rotten centrist here have the gall to speak of moral clarity when the war is being waged by 2 guys who are in power and escalating wars because they are trying to stay out of jail. You just don't understand, if we don't bomb schools and cancer medicine manufacturers then Iran will nuke us one day. Oh it's okay I have good news for you there's no problem buddy, the US is just more technologically and scientifically advanced than Iran.On April 01 2026 22:47 PoulsenB wrote:
Ah, so the US and Israel are morally superior because they didn't rape the girls that were killed in the Iranian school they bombed. Im learning so much about morality. If you think Iran is morally superior to the US, your worldliness could be lacking. If you think Iran and the US are moral equals, there can't be an issue with them having a fair go at each other now, can there. If you think the US is morally superior to Iran, you'd be correct and also not be wrong to add that no that doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want like nuke Tehran. To most people it's obvious and goes without saying, but yes it's correct. However. Thinking that moral superiority means the US standard has to be to exist with such perfection as to not let a single soldier be killed or injured, not let a single civilian die, not make a single mistake, not have a single incidence of collateral damage, while Iran can do whatever the FUCK it wants because otherwise it might hurt your gas prices for a bit, is go back to the drawing board of morality territory. Totally disconnected from reality. The US does not bomb schools on purpose. The insinuation is baseless propaganda. Too much of the coddled first world just has no idea. They must be rational actors right Drumpf pushed them to it? When the Nazis were losing WW2, they devoted more resources to the Final Solution. Hitler devoted more resources to the V2. Why? Was the V2 helping stop allied bombers to equalize the air war? No. It was solely to terrorize British civilians. Devoting more resources to the extermination of the Jewish people was solely evil, spite, it didn't matter how the war was going, at least take the Jews down with them was the idea. Perhaps the US should have backed off in WW2 because winning made the Holocaust worse? No. You confront evil and the consequences are the evil's fault. Awk bless, you’re really trying. Holy strawmen Batman. You can’t actually believe what you’re splurging out here can you? I think with oBlade it's a sunk cost fallacy. He seems to be smart enough to know that he voted for a terrible mistake but rather than admit it, he's going down with the ship for whatever reason.
It’s funny because they keep changing the ship he has to go down with.
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On April 02 2026 02:41 oBlade wrote:
They deployed an E-3 that was at a base in Saudi Arabia you shat on for getting blown up. How are you now complaining someone has messed up by not putting other easily blow-uppable things close to Iran earlier.
They left it out in the open and a satellite saw it. The issue wasn’t that they put an Air Force plane near a warzone, it’s they they forgot to cover it with a tarp.
Russia keeps their planes in hardened hangars. And when they can’t do that they keep them out of sight in regular hangars and have more hangars than planes and rotate them regularly. And they put decoy planes on airfields. And when they can’t do that they paint decoy plane outlines on the airfields. And they put layered defences around airfields.
Your premise here is that it’s actually a good thing that the US Navy was completely out of position when the war started. Because if they were near a warzone they’d be in danger, like that plane was. By keeping the forces on the other side of the world they kept them safe during the dangerous part of the war. Except, of course, that the plane was destroyed after the part of the war that you’re identifying as the dangerous part of the war was over. And, of course, that the war appears to be ending with a US defeat before the navy actually makes it there. “The navy wasn’t out of position, they deliberately showed up late for safety purposes” buddy they’ve missed the fucking war.
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On April 02 2026 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2026 02:04 Jankisa wrote:On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.
1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so
If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point. + Show Spoiler +
By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.
Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.
Hope that clears it up. It is fascinating to see just how the social dynamics have evolved from back when the notion of bullying other posters was an argument to ban people lol.
You are the one who decided to frame this as bullying, if someone constantly throws shit at a crowd and then the crowd piles shit back on them, that's not bullying, that is just what happens.
It's fascinating how many qualities you horse shoe guys share, really brings back the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact vibes!
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On April 02 2026 03:28 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2026 02:41 oBlade wrote:
They deployed an E-3 that was at a base in Saudi Arabia you shat on for getting blown up. How are you now complaining someone has messed up by not putting other easily blow-uppable things close to Iran earlier. They left it out in the open and a satellite saw it. The issue wasn’t that they put an Air Force plane near a warzone, it’s they they forgot to cover it with a tarp. Russia keeps their planes in hardened hangars. And when they can’t do that they keep them out of sight in regular hangars and have more hangars than planes and rotate them regularly. And they put decoy planes on airfields. And when they can’t do that they paint decoy plane outlines on the airfields. And they put layered defences around airfields. Your premise here is that it’s actually a good thing that the US Navy was completely out of position when the war started. Because if they were near a warzone they’d be in danger, like that plane was. By keeping the forces on the other side of the world they kept them safe during the dangerous part of the war. Except, of course, that the plane was destroyed after the part of the war that you’re identifying as the dangerous part of the war was over. And, of course, that the war appears to be ending with a US defeat before the navy actually makes it there. “The navy wasn’t out of position, they deliberately showed up late for safety purposes” buddy they’ve missed the fucking war.
It's fascinating how revealing bullshit major oBlade keeps spewing is of his overall incredibly shallow understanding of pretty much everything.
Boeing E-3 Sentry has a range of 7400 KM, these chucklefucks parked it like 400 KM from Iran and lo and behold, it was destroyed, along with plenty of other expensive air frames.
And yet, he voluntarily brings it up, amazing!
Department of War is officially less competent then Russian MOD, whew!
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On April 02 2026 02:07 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2026 00:37 oBlade wrote:On April 01 2026 23:24 LightSpectra wrote:On April 01 2026 23:21 WombaT wrote:On April 01 2026 23:07 oBlade wrote:On April 01 2026 22:24 LightSpectra wrote:On April 01 2026 21:25 Jankisa wrote:
I find it supremely ironic that people like our brain rotten centrist here have the gall to speak of moral clarity when the war is being waged by 2 guys who are in power and escalating wars because they are trying to stay out of jail. You just don't understand, if we don't bomb schools and cancer medicine manufacturers then Iran will nuke us one day. Oh it's okay I have good news for you there's no problem buddy, the US is just more technologically and scientifically advanced than Iran.On April 01 2026 22:47 PoulsenB wrote:
Ah, so the US and Israel are morally superior because they didn't rape the girls that were killed in the Iranian school they bombed. Im learning so much about morality. If you think Iran is morally superior to the US, your worldliness could be lacking. If you think Iran and the US are moral equals, there can't be an issue with them having a fair go at each other now, can there. If you think the US is morally superior to Iran, you'd be correct and also not be wrong to add that no that doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want like nuke Tehran. To most people it's obvious and goes without saying, but yes it's correct. However. Thinking that moral superiority means the US standard has to be to exist with such perfection as to not let a single soldier be killed or injured, not let a single civilian die, not make a single mistake, not have a single incidence of collateral damage, while Iran can do whatever the FUCK it wants because otherwise it might hurt your gas prices for a bit, is go back to the drawing board of morality territory. Totally disconnected from reality. The US does not bomb schools on purpose. The insinuation is baseless propaganda. Too much of the coddled first world just has no idea. They must be rational actors right Drumpf pushed them to it? When the Nazis were losing WW2, they devoted more resources to the Final Solution. Hitler devoted more resources to the V2. Why? Was the V2 helping stop allied bombers to equalize the air war? No. It was solely to terrorize British civilians. Devoting more resources to the extermination of the Jewish people was solely evil, spite, it didn't matter how the war was going, at least take the Jews down with them was the idea. Perhaps the US should have backed off in WW2 because winning made the Holocaust worse? No. You confront evil and the consequences are the evil's fault. Awk bless, you’re really trying. Holy strawmen Batman. You can’t actually believe what you’re splurging out here can you? One day Trump will blatantly admit he only started the war to help him in the midterms, and oBlade will defend him by saying that the war could've been avoided if only Democrats said they approved of him when polled about it, so the blood is really on our hands if you think about it. Bet money on it. Operation Overlord is good even if FDR had only done it to win the election that year. When something is just, there's no reason to argue for avoiding it. On April 01 2026 23:33 KwarK wrote:On April 01 2026 23:23 oBlade wrote:On April 01 2026 23:18 KwarK wrote:
The complaint isn’t that Iran is perfect, it’s that the US is losing the war against Iran. oblade going “oh, so you support Iran then?” is absurd when the only person advocating for surrendering to Iran is him. If Trump is going to start a war with Iran then the least he could do is fucking win it. I'm with you, he definitely should go much, much further. Or, if he doesn’t have a plan for winning the war, maybe don’t start one. Maybe make the plan first, then start the war. But you’ve been the one constantly defending the plan of achieving strategic surprise by not telling his allies or military planners or the people in charge of the strategic petroleum reserve that he was going to do it. This is part of your Trump-doesn't-really-count-as-President complex. You're a paperwork guy which is fine. But you don't know how authority works and what a boss is. You think the system is the boss. The system is nothing. The leader is the boss. In this case, the president. Systems don't do things. They just sit there. The president doesn't report to someone in the system that outranks him. God knows what "military planners" refers to. The US has militarily planned for everything. The US has militarily planned for invading Mexico and Canada. When he sent 2 carriers do you think they got there when the war started and then said oops we forgot to bring the planes? or the bombs to put on them? Trump's link to the military is Caine. The chain of command goes through the joint chiefs. Really don't know who "military planners" is supposed to be that Trump was supposed to go to their office and say hey guys, war in Iran next week, figure something out, but he kept them out of the loop. Like there's one chain of command and then an oh wait actual war is on your mind alternate chain of command. Everyone in the US military is deliberately arranged in a 250 year old loop. Who are the "military planners" that Trump is supposed to report to that were kept out of the loop? The US is only now moving naval assets into the region. The littoral combat ships that were designed with the gulf in mind were nowhere near the gulf. The USS Tulsa and USS Santa Barbara are part of a ship class specifically designed and built for a war with Iran over the strait. They were stationed 6000 miles from the strait at the outset of the war. Interceptor missiles had to be rushed to the region from PACCOM. So to answer your question of who the military planners who were kept out of the loop were, seems like all of them. That’s why we’re a month into the war and the pre-war deployment isn’t finished yet. Look, you can either say that this is going as planned and the plan was to have everything hopelessly out of position at the outset of the war or you can say that this wasn’t planned. What you can’t do with any credibility is insist over and over that this is all fine.
To add to the bad timing. If they had gone weeks earlier they could have sold it as supporting democracy. And maybe even helped with regime change as the people would have been supported instead of just slaughtered after empty promises. Instead they waited until the regime had crushed the protests and dissent to attack.
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On April 02 2026 03:35 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2026 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 02 2026 02:04 Jankisa wrote:On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.
1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so
If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point. + Show Spoiler +
By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.
Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.
Hope that clears it up. It is fascinating to see just how the social dynamics have evolved from back when the notion of bullying other posters was an argument to ban people lol. You are the one who decided to frame this as bullying, if someone constantly throws shit at a crowd and then the crowd piles shit back on them, that's not bullying, that is just what happens. It's fascinating how many qualities you horse shoe guys share, really brings back the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact vibes!
What are horse shoe guys ? Is that some breed of bronies ?
The issue is that there's privatized crowds nowadays. I don't know if I'm talking to half of Croatia when I talk to you and you don't know who you're talking to when you talk to me. Neither do I honestly.
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