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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6010 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-01 20:14:34
April 01 2026 18:54 GMT
#112441
On April 02 2026 03:28 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2026 02:41 oBlade wrote:
They deployed an E-3 that was at a base in Saudi Arabia you shat on for getting blown up. How are you now complaining someone has messed up by not putting other easily blow-uppable things close to Iran earlier.

They left it out in the open and a satellite saw it. The issue wasn’t that they put an Air Force plane near a warzone, it’s they they forgot to cover it with a tarp.

Zelensky said Russia photographed the base on the 25th. The strike was on the 28th.

On April 02 2026 03:28 KwarK wrote:
Russia keeps their planes in hardened hangars. And when they can’t do that they keep them out of sight in regular hangars and have more hangars than planes and rotate them regularly. And they put decoy planes on airfields. And when they can’t do that they paint decoy plane outlines on the airfields. And they put layered defences around airfields.

Right... This is why every single plane at the base was destroyed. Not just one. They're all in permanent open storage on tarmacs. Only Russia has discovered the concept of hangers. The US is still behind in a decades-old hangers gap.

On April 02 2026 03:28 KwarK wrote:
Your premise here is that it’s actually a good thing that the US Navy was completely out of position when the war started. Because if they were near a warzone they’d be in danger, like that plane was. By keeping the forces on the other side of the world they kept them safe during the dangerous part of the war. Except, of course, that the plane was destroyed after the part of the war that you’re identifying as the dangerous part of the war was over. And, of course, that the war appears to be ending with a US defeat before the navy actually makes it there. “The navy wasn’t out of position, they deliberately showed up late for safety purposes” buddy they’ve missed the fucking war.

The navy that had 2 aircraft carriers and 11 destroyers in the Middle East was completely out of position. Got it.

Do you not believe the destroyers or you need a source or you just can't read or destroyers don't count or what? Remember at the end of February watching the news channels go "Hey pizza sales are up near the Pentagon and Trump seems to be moving a lot of ships to the Middle East," how do you come back a month later and go "Trump forgot to send the navy to the Middle East!" The submarines that sank the Iranian fleet, were they civilian, not part of the navy maybe.

My thesis is you have blinding tunnel vision and think the ocean is divided between "Iran war place" and "US Navy Storage Closet." The ships you are complaining about were originally deployed to the Middle East. As their mission. They could have gone to port in the Pacific for any number of reasons they didn't tell you about. They could have gone there for disinformation for all we know so when Trump told Tucker Carlson don't worry I'm not attacking Iran I just transferred the super useful LCS to the Pacific for exercises against China in the Taiwan Strait, Tucker could then go to Iran and say "go ahead have your daytime meeting of the entire government, I talked to Trump and he said you guys are off the hook." The idea they were sent away as incompetence or sabotage is pure straw grasping. The only thing a littoral ship can maybe do well is mine duty and there's no mines.

The reason the plane was destroyed is the MIC profits off of expensive technology and hasn't paradigm shifted enough to incorporating cheap stuff that includes drone swarms, drone interceptors, drone lasers, and drone drones. At some point in its life between flying through the air and sitting in a hanger, a plane has to exist on the ground outside of a hanger. If you have many planes, there is a chance that at any given time, one or more of them will be having their on the ground outside of a hanger periods.


On April 02 2026 03:39 Jankisa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2026 03:28 KwarK wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:41 oBlade wrote:
They deployed an E-3 that was at a base in Saudi Arabia you shat on for getting blown up. How are you now complaining someone has messed up by not putting other easily blow-uppable things close to Iran earlier.

They left it out in the open and a satellite saw it. The issue wasn’t that they put an Air Force plane near a warzone, it’s they they forgot to cover it with a tarp.

Russia keeps their planes in hardened hangars. And when they can’t do that they keep them out of sight in regular hangars and have more hangars than planes and rotate them regularly. And they put decoy planes on airfields. And when they can’t do that they paint decoy plane outlines on the airfields. And they put layered defences around airfields.

Your premise here is that it’s actually a good thing that the US Navy was completely out of position when the war started. Because if they were near a warzone they’d be in danger, like that plane was. By keeping the forces on the other side of the world they kept them safe during the dangerous part of the war. Except, of course, that the plane was destroyed after the part of the war that you’re identifying as the dangerous part of the war was over. And, of course, that the war appears to be ending with a US defeat before the navy actually makes it there. “The navy wasn’t out of position, they deliberately showed up late for safety purposes” buddy they’ve missed the fucking war.


It's fascinating how revealing bullshit major oBlade keeps spewing is of his overall incredibly shallow understanding of pretty much everything.

Boeing E-3 Sentry has a range of 7400 KM, these chucklefucks parked it like 400 KM from Iran and lo and behold, it was destroyed, along with plenty of other expensive air frames.

And yet, he voluntarily brings it up, amazing!

Department of War is officially less competent then Russian MOD, whew!

The E-3 is not a WW2 bomber that flies in a straight line, barely reaches its target city, drops a load of bombs, and flies in a straight line back. It flies in a circle all day for hours shooting radar, tracking and directing targets and doing electronic warfare. Its range is only relevant when you move it around the world, otherwise its fuel is for endurance around its target area.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43815 Posts
April 01 2026 19:01 GMT
#112442
On April 02 2026 03:54 oBlade wrote:
They could have gone to port in the Pacific for any number of reasons they didn't tell you about. They could have gone there for disinformation for all we know so when Trump told Tucker Carlson don't worry I'm not attacking Iran I just transferred the super useful LCS to the Pacific

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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23802 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-01 19:05:28
April 01 2026 19:02 GMT
#112443
On April 02 2026 03:35 Jankisa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2026 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:04 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:
Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +
that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.

1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so



If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point.

+ Show Spoiler +

By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.

Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.


Hope that clears it up.

It is fascinating to see just how the social dynamics have evolved from back when the notion of bullying other posters was an argument to ban people lol.


You are the one who decided to frame this as bullying, if someone constantly throws shit at a crowd and then the crowd piles shit back on them, that's not bullying, that is just what happens.

It's fascinating how many qualities you horse shoe guys share, really brings back the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact vibes!

It's funny/fascinating how frequently I see people like you and light say things almost verbatim from when I was thinking like you and interacting with socialists (edit: and Republicans/right-wingers) the same way you are.

We all have a lot more in common with each other than we do with the shitheel politicians distracting you with this team-sports-ball-pwnlitics in service of their capitalist owners donors. The sooner anyone recognizes that, the better for everyone around them. That's something I've learned from organizing/working with people that started with a very narrow band of agreement.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2390 Posts
April 01 2026 19:26 GMT
#112444
I would love to have a good faith discussion about how to fix the world. In fact, I've tried to do that several times, and you resort to bad faith nonsense like saying "wut?" when your beliefs are probed enough that gaping contradictions are revealed. It seems shitposting is what you're actually here for, and to your credit, you've gotten it.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6010 Posts
April 01 2026 19:27 GMT
#112445
On April 02 2026 04:01 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2026 03:54 oBlade wrote:
They could have gone to port in the Pacific for any number of reasons they didn't tell you about. They could have gone there for disinformation for all we know so when Trump told Tucker Carlson don't worry I'm not attacking Iran I just transferred the super useful LCS to the Pacific

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rblfKREj50o&t=92s

Maybe I haven't been fair. I personally think LCS are a DoD bloat useless cash cow class but I don't know that for sure.

The USS Canberra has been there all along. So that leaves the two others you brought up.

If you really think 2 LCS would have changed the course of the 1 month of war such that it was a huge mistake not deploying them from the beginning, which a Commander KwarK would have done if we could run a time machine alternate universe experiment, then there's good news.

Whatever they can do over 1 month they can still do when they get there. If two little LCS would have won the war against a full power Iran, they'll definitely win the war against a now badly degraded Iran. I know you really have faith in these two ships that were clearly misdeployed and aren't just making random things up.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23802 Posts
April 01 2026 19:30 GMT
#112446
On April 02 2026 04:26 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2026 04:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 03:35 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:04 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:
Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +
that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.

1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so



If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point.

+ Show Spoiler +

By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.

Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.


Hope that clears it up.

It is fascinating to see just how the social dynamics have evolved from back when the notion of bullying other posters was an argument to ban people lol.


You are the one who decided to frame this as bullying, if someone constantly throws shit at a crowd and then the crowd piles shit back on them, that's not bullying, that is just what happens.

It's fascinating how many qualities you horse shoe guys share, really brings back the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact vibes!

It's funny/fascinating how frequently I see people like you and light say things almost verbatim from when I was thinking like you and interacting with socialists (edit: and Republicans/right-wingers) the same way you are.

We all have a lot more in common with each other than we do with the shitheel politicians distracting you with this team-sports-ball-pwnlitics in service of their capitalist owners donors. The sooner anyone recognizes that, the better for everyone around them. That's something I've learned from organizing/working with people that started with a very narrow band of agreement.


I would love to have a good faith discussion about how to fix the world. In fact, I've tried to do that several times, and you resort to bad faith nonsense like saying "wut?" when your beliefs are probed enough that gaping contradictions are revealed. It seems shitposting is what you're actually here for, and to your credit, you've gotten it.

Resisting the temptation to respond "wut?", are you looking for clarification on electoralism vs elections or something else?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2390 Posts
April 01 2026 19:38 GMT
#112447
On April 02 2026 04:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2026 04:26 LightSpectra wrote:
On April 02 2026 04:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 03:35 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:04 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:
Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +
that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.

1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so



If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point.

+ Show Spoiler +

By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.

Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.


Hope that clears it up.

It is fascinating to see just how the social dynamics have evolved from back when the notion of bullying other posters was an argument to ban people lol.


You are the one who decided to frame this as bullying, if someone constantly throws shit at a crowd and then the crowd piles shit back on them, that's not bullying, that is just what happens.

It's fascinating how many qualities you horse shoe guys share, really brings back the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact vibes!

It's funny/fascinating how frequently I see people like you and light say things almost verbatim from when I was thinking like you and interacting with socialists (edit: and Republicans/right-wingers) the same way you are.

We all have a lot more in common with each other than we do with the shitheel politicians distracting you with this team-sports-ball-pwnlitics in service of their capitalist owners donors. The sooner anyone recognizes that, the better for everyone around them. That's something I've learned from organizing/working with people that started with a very narrow band of agreement.


I would love to have a good faith discussion about how to fix the world. In fact, I've tried to do that several times, and you resort to bad faith nonsense like saying "wut?" when your beliefs are probed enough that gaping contradictions are revealed. It seems shitposting is what you're actually here for, and to your credit, you've gotten it.

Resisting the temptation to respond "wut?", are you looking for clarification on electoralism vs elections or something else?


For starters, if you want to be taken seriously, why don't you use the word "electoralism" in a way literally anybody else uses it (either a general way to refer to enacting change primarily through elections, or the Terry Karl sense to refer to elections in mostly-authoritarian regimes), instead of some esoteric definition that you think everyone else is an idiot for not knowing?
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1324 Posts
April 01 2026 19:43 GMT
#112448
On April 02 2026 04:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2026 03:35 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:04 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:
Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +
that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.

1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so



If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point.

+ Show Spoiler +

By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.

Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.


Hope that clears it up.

It is fascinating to see just how the social dynamics have evolved from back when the notion of bullying other posters was an argument to ban people lol.


You are the one who decided to frame this as bullying, if someone constantly throws shit at a crowd and then the crowd piles shit back on them, that's not bullying, that is just what happens.

It's fascinating how many qualities you horse shoe guys share, really brings back the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact vibes!

It's funny/fascinating how frequently I see people like you and light say things almost verbatim from when I was thinking like you and interacting with socialists (edit: and Republicans/right-wingers) the same way you are.

We all have a lot more in common with each other than we do with the shitheel politicians distracting you with this team-sports-ball-pwnlitics in service of their capitalist owners donors. The sooner anyone recognizes that, the better for everyone around them. That's something I've learned from organizing/working with people that started with a very narrow band of agreement.


Brozef, I'm 36, I'm not going to grow up to be like you, I grew out of my angsty "communism is actually good" phase around 18.

No hard feelings on my part, by the way, I think we agree on 90 % of things, the issue for me is that you are completely convinced that you are right on the other 10 % and you feel really superior about it.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland963 Posts
April 01 2026 19:44 GMT
#112449
On April 02 2026 03:17 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2026 02:54 Luolis wrote:
On April 01 2026 23:21 WombaT wrote:
On April 01 2026 23:07 oBlade wrote:
On April 01 2026 22:24 LightSpectra wrote:
On April 01 2026 21:25 Jankisa wrote:
I find it supremely ironic that people like our brain rotten centrist here have the gall to speak of moral clarity when the war is being waged by 2 guys who are in power and escalating wars because they are trying to stay out of jail.


You just don't understand, if we don't bomb schools and cancer medicine manufacturers then Iran will nuke us one day.

Oh it's okay I have good news for you there's no problem buddy, the US is just more technologically and scientifically advanced than Iran.

On April 01 2026 22:47 PoulsenB wrote:
Ah, so the US and Israel are morally superior because they didn't rape the girls that were killed in the Iranian school they bombed. Im learning so much about morality.

If you think Iran is morally superior to the US, your worldliness could be lacking.

If you think Iran and the US are moral equals, there can't be an issue with them having a fair go at each other now, can there.

If you think the US is morally superior to Iran, you'd be correct and also not be wrong to add that no that doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want like nuke Tehran. To most people it's obvious and goes without saying, but yes it's correct.

However.

Thinking that moral superiority means the US standard has to be to exist with such perfection as to not let a single soldier be killed or injured, not let a single civilian die, not make a single mistake, not have a single incidence of collateral damage, while Iran can do whatever the FUCK it wants because otherwise it might hurt your gas prices for a bit, is go back to the drawing board of morality territory. Totally disconnected from reality.

The US does not bomb schools on purpose. The insinuation is baseless propaganda.

Too much of the coddled first world just has no idea.

They must be rational actors right Drumpf pushed them to it?

When the Nazis were losing WW2, they devoted more resources to the Final Solution. Hitler devoted more resources to the V2.

Why? Was the V2 helping stop allied bombers to equalize the air war? No. It was solely to terrorize British civilians. Devoting more resources to the extermination of the Jewish people was solely evil, spite, it didn't matter how the war was going, at least take the Jews down with them was the idea.

Perhaps the US should have backed off in WW2 because winning made the Holocaust worse? No. You confront evil and the consequences are the evil's fault.

Awk bless, you’re really trying.

Holy strawmen Batman. You can’t actually believe what you’re splurging out here can you?

I think with oBlade it's a sunk cost fallacy. He seems to be smart enough to know that he voted for a terrible mistake but rather than admit it, he's going down with the ship for whatever reason.

It’s funny because they keep changing the ship he has to go down with.



No you see there were already enough ships in the region to choose exactly the one he wants.
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KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1138 Posts
April 01 2026 19:52 GMT
#112450
Do you feel with the future TRUMP®-FCA ban on all foreign routers (because every hack of routers always was aiming at foreign routers, because there haven't been commercially available all american routers) is done because the american regime needs an even easier way to spy on people and controll flow of information?
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5776 Posts
April 01 2026 19:54 GMT
#112451
https://www.ft.com/content/d304071a-ca97-4b3b-be93-ff880a6645c3?syn-25a6b1a6=1

Not sure if this was already mentioned here. Trump is about to tank American defense exports to Europe. He's threatening to stop the delivery of military equipment to Ukraine that Europe is paying/has already paid for.

Congrats to our "centrists". Your shit Midas is really exceeding the expectations. ;-)
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22270 Posts
April 01 2026 19:56 GMT
#112452
On April 02 2026 04:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Do you feel with the future TRUMP®-FCA ban on all foreign routers (because every hack of routers always was aiming at foreign routers, because there haven't been commercially available all american routers) is done because the american regime needs an even easier way to spy on people and controll flow of information?


They can already spy on anything they want to, they just don't want it to happen in reverse.
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2847 Posts
April 01 2026 20:02 GMT
#112453
On April 02 2026 03:35 Jankisa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2026 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:04 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:
Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +
that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.

1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so



If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point.

+ Show Spoiler +

By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.

Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.


Hope that clears it up.

It is fascinating to see just how the social dynamics have evolved from back when the notion of bullying other posters was an argument to ban people lol.


You are the one who decided to frame this as bullying, if someone constantly throws shit at a crowd and then the crowd piles shit back on them, that's not bullying, that is just what happens.

It's fascinating how many qualities you horse shoe guys share, really brings back the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact vibes!


To be perfectly honest, I don't think the thread benefits from these types of personal attacks and personally would rather see fewer than more.
estás más desubicao q un croissant en un plato de nécoras
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2390 Posts
April 01 2026 20:02 GMT
#112454
On April 02 2026 04:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Do you feel with the future TRUMP®-FCA ban on all foreign routers (because every hack of routers always was aiming at foreign routers, because there haven't been commercially available all american routers) is done because the american regime needs an even easier way to spy on people and controll flow of information?


IMO they're just fishing for bribes from ASUS and the rest. Backdooring every American-made router is not practical.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23802 Posts
April 01 2026 20:23 GMT
#112455
On April 02 2026 04:38 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2026 04:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 04:26 LightSpectra wrote:
On April 02 2026 04:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 03:35 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:04 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:
Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +
that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.

1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so



If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point.

+ Show Spoiler +

By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.

Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.


Hope that clears it up.

It is fascinating to see just how the social dynamics have evolved from back when the notion of bullying other posters was an argument to ban people lol.


You are the one who decided to frame this as bullying, if someone constantly throws shit at a crowd and then the crowd piles shit back on them, that's not bullying, that is just what happens.

It's fascinating how many qualities you horse shoe guys share, really brings back the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact vibes!

It's funny/fascinating how frequently I see people like you and light say things almost verbatim from when I was thinking like you and interacting with socialists (edit: and Republicans/right-wingers) the same way you are.

We all have a lot more in common with each other than we do with the shitheel politicians distracting you with this team-sports-ball-pwnlitics in service of their capitalist owners donors. The sooner anyone recognizes that, the better for everyone around them. That's something I've learned from organizing/working with people that started with a very narrow band of agreement.


I would love to have a good faith discussion about how to fix the world. In fact, I've tried to do that several times, and you resort to bad faith nonsense like saying "wut?" when your beliefs are probed enough that gaping contradictions are revealed. It seems shitposting is what you're actually here for, and to your credit, you've gotten it.

Resisting the temptation to respond "wut?", are you looking for clarification on electoralism vs elections or something else?


For starters, if you want to be taken seriously, why don't you use the word "electoralism" in a way literally anybody else uses it (either a general way to refer to enacting change primarily through elections, or the Terry Karl sense to refer to elections in mostly-authoritarian regimes), instead of some esoteric definition that you think everyone else is an idiot for not knowing?

Rather than get lost in a petty semantic debate (as much as we love those here )You understand I'm referring to distinct concepts, correct?

Basically, what I would say I'm describing is a largely ahistorical theory of change that has been superimposed onto US politics following the the Civil Rights Movement and Vietnam War.

We can disagree about that (or specific details within it), but we need to be conscious of what we're disagreeing about. That way we can have that "good faith discussion about how to fix the world" you would like to have
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2390 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-01 20:32:10
April 01 2026 20:31 GMT
#112456
No amount of semantics could ever fill the gulf between "In a Hitler vs Hitler+ election [referring to Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump] the obligation is to overthrow the government by any means necessary" and "I am advocate of non-reformist reforms and those involve elections, like primarying Democrats".
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22192 Posts
April 01 2026 20:32 GMT
#112457
On April 02 2026 04:54 maybenexttime wrote:
https://www.ft.com/content/d304071a-ca97-4b3b-be93-ff880a6645c3?syn-25a6b1a6=1

Not sure if this was already mentioned here. Trump is about to tank American defense exports to Europe. He's threatening to stop the delivery of military equipment to Ukraine that Europe is paying/has already paid for.

Congrats to our "centrists". Your shit Midas is really exceeding the expectations. ;-)
If he does that I would expect Congress to actually overrule him. They love sucking up to Trump but they probably like their military industrial complex $$ more.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
dyhb
Profile Joined August 2021
United States226 Posts
April 01 2026 20:32 GMT
#112458
On April 02 2026 04:43 Jankisa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2026 04:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 03:35 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:04 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:
Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +
that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.

1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so



If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point.

+ Show Spoiler +

By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.

Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.


Hope that clears it up.

It is fascinating to see just how the social dynamics have evolved from back when the notion of bullying other posters was an argument to ban people lol.


You are the one who decided to frame this as bullying, if someone constantly throws shit at a crowd and then the crowd piles shit back on them, that's not bullying, that is just what happens.

It's fascinating how many qualities you horse shoe guys share, really brings back the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact vibes!

It's funny/fascinating how frequently I see people like you and light say things almost verbatim from when I was thinking like you and interacting with socialists (edit: and Republicans/right-wingers) the same way you are.

We all have a lot more in common with each other than we do with the shitheel politicians distracting you with this team-sports-ball-pwnlitics in service of their capitalist owners donors. The sooner anyone recognizes that, the better for everyone around them. That's something I've learned from organizing/working with people that started with a very narrow band of agreement.


Brozef, I'm 36, I'm not going to grow up to be like you, I grew out of my angsty "communism is actually good" phase around 18.

No hard feelings on my part, by the way, I think we agree on 90 % of things, the issue for me is that you are completely convinced that you are right on the other 10 % and you feel really superior about it.
18, not 36, is a good age to reduce geopolitics to two people trying to stay out of jail. GH has a lot of company at that level of the conversation. Only his politics shield him from the other element of 18-year-old analysis: accusing him of only speaking as he does to distract from the Epstein files.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22270 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-01 23:07:03
April 01 2026 20:49 GMT
#112459
On April 02 2026 05:32 dyhb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2026 04:43 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 04:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 03:35 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 02:04 Jankisa wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 02 2026 01:00 Jankisa wrote:
Oh, shit, yeah, so, if you just think of oBlade as a 12 year old boy + Show Spoiler +
that is using an LLM to expand his vocabulary, everything makes sense.

1. He is easily impressed by "strong men" like Hegseth and Trump
2. He is extremely gullible and will regurgitate obvious and stupid propaganda
3. The only other conflict he compares everything is WW2 because that's what he is just learning in school
4. He can't keep his story straight and keeps changing his positions because his brain is not fully developed
5. He believes in American exceptionalism, so he likes things going kaboom and also believes that a war that is not going well is "already won" because the daddy figure on the TV told him so



If we did, then we'd have a bunch of grown adults (some parents) bullying an oblivious 12 yo to make themselves feel superior. I'm not sure whether you all would feel more or less validated/proud of yourselves if you found out that was actually the case at this point.

+ Show Spoiler +

By that logic it would be cruel to bully you since your takes are more in the line with 18 year old students that Charlie Kirk would "OWN", or if we want to take the logic further it's incredibly cruel to talk all this shit about a 80 year old dementia patient who has issues with controlling his bowels.

Fortunately, the first is a fascist bootlicker, the second a tankie and the third the President of the United States, so that makes it OK.


Hope that clears it up.

It is fascinating to see just how the social dynamics have evolved from back when the notion of bullying other posters was an argument to ban people lol.


You are the one who decided to frame this as bullying, if someone constantly throws shit at a crowd and then the crowd piles shit back on them, that's not bullying, that is just what happens.

It's fascinating how many qualities you horse shoe guys share, really brings back the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact vibes!

It's funny/fascinating how frequently I see people like you and light say things almost verbatim from when I was thinking like you and interacting with socialists (edit: and Republicans/right-wingers) the same way you are.

We all have a lot more in common with each other than we do with the shitheel politicians distracting you with this team-sports-ball-pwnlitics in service of their capitalist owners donors. The sooner anyone recognizes that, the better for everyone around them. That's something I've learned from organizing/working with people that started with a very narrow band of agreement.


Brozef, I'm 36, I'm not going to grow up to be like you, I grew out of my angsty "communism is actually good" phase around 18.

No hard feelings on my part, by the way, I think we agree on 90 % of things, the issue for me is that you are completely convinced that you are right on the other 10 % and you feel really superior about it.
18, not 36, is a good age to reduce geopolitics to two people trying to stay out of jail. GH has a lot of company at that level of the conversation. Only his politics shield him from the other element of 18-year-old analysis: accusing him of only speaking as he does to distract from the Epstein files.


Geopolitics is penises in file drawers trying not to sever each other nowadays. It's ridiculous.

Reminds me of that story about some NSA employee secretly collecting pictures...
Imo the evidence keeps mounting that they're even competing for the amount of illegal material they possess.

You got no idea how much lunacy the US exports to here on a whim. I see little point in considering any of their ‚elites‘ as trustworthy in any way in the little self-aggrandizing theaters they create. Can‘t force anyone to participate in what they don‘t want to use, but they try.

Meanwhile this country plays along with all of that while keeping you specifically unaware of it all.
I mean… They‘re caught up with the games by now I assume if it‘s what they‘re supposed to be doing.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43815 Posts
April 01 2026 23:13 GMT
#112460
Holy shit Iran won. The US Navy will be withdrawing and ceding the strait, along with the spoilers, to the victor.
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