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On April 01 2026 21:25 Jankisa wrote:
I find it supremely ironic that people like our brain rotten centrist here have the gall to speak of moral clarity when the war is being waged by 2 guys who are in power and escalating wars because they are trying to stay out of jail.
You just don't understand, if we don't bomb schools and cancer medicine manufacturers then Iran will nuke us one day.
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On April 01 2026 18:30 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 18:11 oBlade wrote:
The symbol "We the US will bomb the shit out of you if you are evil, even if there's a short term oil shock that makes almost everyone else want to look the other way even if they could do something about it" is a very accessible message of moral clarity to the whole world.
Yeah, the message is clear: "We are the (evil) empire, kneel or get bombed to bits." People didn't want to look the other way, until Trump killed Obamas treaty with Iran the world looked very closely. But the US decided "nah, forget that", we rather just occasionally bomb you. Moral clarity... Just go fuck yourself.
I am actually against the country that made it a policy to rape women and girls who are political prisoners before executing them on the basis that it stops them from being allowed into heaven as martyrs.
On April 01 2026 18:46 Uldridge wrote:
oBlade claiming you shouldn't use your Trump card when Trump is trying pull one over on you is peak.
A THREAT as you claim it, is indeed just that. You use it in case things go sour. A THREAT could also be reimagined with the tiniest of creativity as a strategic advantage, something that - in geopolitics - you should be aware of and is quite a good thing to have as a country when you can have a perk like that. Sadly, the Trump cabinet failed to account for it, somehow. With the bestest intel in the world. And now they've also, somehow, managed to make them even more hated by the entire world. Lmao, even.
Do you think Israel should threaten to nuke Europe unless they solve the existential threat Iran poses to Israel? Creative? Strategic advantage? Perk? Realpolitik?
On April 01 2026 21:31 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 18:11 oBlade wrote:
It's not that Iran didn't control the Strait of Hormuz before and now they do. The issue is they have had a hostage for a long time and the process of taking the gun out of their hands is in progress. The problem was the hostage and the gun, everything wasn't hunky dory just because they hadn't shot the hostage yet. Before the US Navy controlled it. Iran had a force capable of potentially contesting it in a campaign but that campaign hadn't happened yet. You wouldn't say Germany controlled France in 1939. Same thing. Before this war Iran accepted and acknowledged US control over the strait.
Before this war, Iran (usually) accepted the fact the Strait is international waters used by everybody.
Britain controlled Gibraltar in 1939. Populated land masses are different than bodies of water. This level of conversation leads us to that outside of a war, Britain had no control over the Strait of Gibraltar. Super insight.
Part of controlling France meant you could put a German or German equipment in France without it blowing up immediately. Iran can't do that to the Strait of Hormuz.
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Ah, so the US and Israel are morally superior because they didn't rape the girls that were killed in the Iranian school they bombed. Im learning so much about morality.
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No one here believes that Iran are the good guys. It would be great if they had regime change and we got a sane country instead, which, from where I was standing, looked like it was on the way to happening with all the uprising and violent repression.
I don't think the war has moved the needle towards this outcome, from here it looks like they are going to be able to sell this war as a massive win when trump inevitably pulls out, and if they get an economic advantage by being able to control the strait in the future, it's going to make it harder, not easier to change the regime.
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oBlade on immigrants: I'm fine with deporting them without due process, some of them are rapists.
oBlade on Iran: I'm fine with bombing them into the stone age, some of them are rapists.
oBlade on the President he voted for being a literal adjudicated rapist: Well you see, the jury really just wanted to get him on something.
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On April 01 2026 22:41 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 18:30 Velr wrote:On April 01 2026 18:11 oBlade wrote:
The symbol "We the US will bomb the shit out of you if you are evil, even if there's a short term oil shock that makes almost everyone else want to look the other way even if they could do something about it" is a very accessible message of moral clarity to the whole world.
Yeah, the message is clear: "We are the (evil) empire, kneel or get bombed to bits." People didn't want to look the other way, until Trump killed Obamas treaty with Iran the world looked very closely. But the US decided "nah, forget that", we rather just occasionally bomb you. Moral clarity... Just go fuck yourself. I am actually against the country that made it a policy to rape women and girls who are political prisoners before executing them on the basis that it stops them from being allowed into heaven as martyrs.
Stop raping girls - starve, freeze and bomb them instead! What a nice argument.
Iran isn't a good guy by any stretch of the imagination... But it's not getting attacked because it's "evil" (are you 4 years old?) or for raping girls. It gets attacked by the US/Trump, who both clearly don't care about women being raped, after all Trump is an officially court approved rapist and most likely much worse and his christofacist drunkard buddy to hide their internal fuck ups or because the Superjew told them to (your pick).
That would be bad enough but on top of it these two rapist pos do this whiteout having any sort of plan, rhyme or reason and absolutely no will to take any responsebility for the clusterfuck they create.
Somehow the US manages to make a country as bad as Iran the victims and dimwits like you cheerlead the whole thing.
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On April 01 2026 22:24 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 21:25 Jankisa wrote:
I find it supremely ironic that people like our brain rotten centrist here have the gall to speak of moral clarity when the war is being waged by 2 guys who are in power and escalating wars because they are trying to stay out of jail. You just don't understand, if we don't bomb schools and cancer medicine manufacturers then Iran will nuke us one day.
Oh it's okay I have good news for you there's no problem buddy, the US is just more technologically and scientifically advanced than Iran.
On April 01 2026 22:47 PoulsenB wrote:
Ah, so the US and Israel are morally superior because they didn't rape the girls that were killed in the Iranian school they bombed. Im learning so much about morality.
If you think Iran is morally superior to the US, your worldliness could be lacking.
If you think Iran and the US are moral equals, there can't be an issue with them having a fair go at each other now, can there.
If you think the US is morally superior to Iran, you'd be correct and also not be wrong to add that no that doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want like nuke Tehran. To most people it's obvious and goes without saying, but yes it's correct.
However.
Thinking that moral superiority means the US standard has to be to exist with such perfection as to not let a single soldier be killed or injured, not let a single civilian die, not make a single mistake, not have a single incidence of collateral damage, while Iran can do whatever the FUCK it wants because otherwise it might hurt your gas prices for a bit, is go back to the drawing board of morality territory. Totally disconnected from reality.
The US does not bomb schools on purpose. The insinuation is baseless propaganda.
Too much of the coddled first world just has no idea.
They must be rational actors right Drumpf pushed them to it?
When the Nazis were losing WW2, they devoted more resources to the Final Solution. Hitler devoted more resources to the V2.
Why? Was the V2 helping stop allied bombers to equalize the air war? No. It was solely to terrorize British civilians. Devoting more resources to the extermination of the Jewish people was solely evil, spite, it didn't matter how the war was going, at least take the Jews down with them was the idea.
Perhaps the US should have backed off in WW2 because winning made the Holocaust worse? No. You confront evil and the consequences are the evil's fault.
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I think one factor people are not considering is Trumps ability to TACO. I’m sure his inner circle all bought a bunch of stocks yesterday. And they can ride that until he changes his mind in a week and sends in ground troops.
Until things actually happen it’s really hard to talk about anything because the guy has the attention span of a gerbil.
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On April 01 2026 23:07 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 22:24 LightSpectra wrote:On April 01 2026 21:25 Jankisa wrote:
I find it supremely ironic that people like our brain rotten centrist here have the gall to speak of moral clarity when the war is being waged by 2 guys who are in power and escalating wars because they are trying to stay out of jail. You just don't understand, if we don't bomb schools and cancer medicine manufacturers then Iran will nuke us one day. Oh it's okay I have good news for you there's no problem buddy, the US is just more technologically and scientifically advanced than Iran.
This would be an awesome rebuttal if I said the US were barbarians. Nope, just a bunch of warmongers with a rapist president.
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The complaint isn’t that Iran is perfect, it’s that the US is losing the war against Iran. oblade going “oh, so you support Iran then?” is absurd when the only person advocating for surrendering to Iran is him. If Trump is going to start a war with Iran then the least he could do is fucking win it.
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On April 01 2026 23:07 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 22:24 LightSpectra wrote:On April 01 2026 21:25 Jankisa wrote:
I find it supremely ironic that people like our brain rotten centrist here have the gall to speak of moral clarity when the war is being waged by 2 guys who are in power and escalating wars because they are trying to stay out of jail. You just don't understand, if we don't bomb schools and cancer medicine manufacturers then Iran will nuke us one day. Oh it's okay I have good news for you there's no problem buddy, the US is just more technologically and scientifically advanced than Iran.Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 22:47 PoulsenB wrote:
Ah, so the US and Israel are morally superior because they didn't rape the girls that were killed in the Iranian school they bombed. Im learning so much about morality. If you think Iran is morally superior to the US, your worldliness could be lacking. If you think Iran and the US are moral equals, there can't be an issue with them having a fair go at each other now, can there. If you think the US is morally superior to Iran, you'd be correct and also not be wrong to add that no that doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want like nuke Tehran. To most people it's obvious and goes without saying, but yes it's correct. However. Thinking that moral superiority means the US standard has to be to exist with such perfection as to not let a single soldier be killed or injured, not let a single civilian die, not make a single mistake, not have a single incidence of collateral damage, while Iran can do whatever the FUCK it wants because otherwise it might hurt your gas prices for a bit, is go back to the drawing board of morality territory. Totally disconnected from reality. The US does not bomb schools on purpose. The insinuation is baseless propaganda. Too much of the coddled first world just has no idea. They must be rational actors right Drumpf pushed them to it? When the Nazis were losing WW2, they devoted more resources to the Final Solution. Hitler devoted more resources to the V2. Why? Was the V2 helping stop allied bombers to equalize the air war? No. It was solely to terrorize British civilians. Devoting more resources to the extermination of the Jewish people was solely evil, spite, it didn't matter how the war was going, at least take the Jews down with them was the idea. Perhaps the US should have backed off in WW2 because winning made the Holocaust worse? No. You confront evil and the consequences are the evil's fault.
Awk bless, you’re really trying.
Holy strawmen Batman. You can’t actually believe what you’re splurging out here can you?
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On April 01 2026 23:18 KwarK wrote:
The complaint isn’t that Iran is perfect, it’s that the US is losing the war against Iran. oblade going “oh, so you support Iran then?” is absurd when the only person advocating for surrendering to Iran is him. If Trump is going to start a war with Iran then the least he could do is fucking win it.
I'm with you, he definitely should go much, much further.
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On April 01 2026 23:21 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 23:07 oBlade wrote:On April 01 2026 22:24 LightSpectra wrote:On April 01 2026 21:25 Jankisa wrote:
I find it supremely ironic that people like our brain rotten centrist here have the gall to speak of moral clarity when the war is being waged by 2 guys who are in power and escalating wars because they are trying to stay out of jail. You just don't understand, if we don't bomb schools and cancer medicine manufacturers then Iran will nuke us one day. Oh it's okay I have good news for you there's no problem buddy, the US is just more technologically and scientifically advanced than Iran.On April 01 2026 22:47 PoulsenB wrote:
Ah, so the US and Israel are morally superior because they didn't rape the girls that were killed in the Iranian school they bombed. Im learning so much about morality. If you think Iran is morally superior to the US, your worldliness could be lacking. If you think Iran and the US are moral equals, there can't be an issue with them having a fair go at each other now, can there. If you think the US is morally superior to Iran, you'd be correct and also not be wrong to add that no that doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want like nuke Tehran. To most people it's obvious and goes without saying, but yes it's correct. However. Thinking that moral superiority means the US standard has to be to exist with such perfection as to not let a single soldier be killed or injured, not let a single civilian die, not make a single mistake, not have a single incidence of collateral damage, while Iran can do whatever the FUCK it wants because otherwise it might hurt your gas prices for a bit, is go back to the drawing board of morality territory. Totally disconnected from reality. The US does not bomb schools on purpose. The insinuation is baseless propaganda. Too much of the coddled first world just has no idea. They must be rational actors right Drumpf pushed them to it? When the Nazis were losing WW2, they devoted more resources to the Final Solution. Hitler devoted more resources to the V2. Why? Was the V2 helping stop allied bombers to equalize the air war? No. It was solely to terrorize British civilians. Devoting more resources to the extermination of the Jewish people was solely evil, spite, it didn't matter how the war was going, at least take the Jews down with them was the idea. Perhaps the US should have backed off in WW2 because winning made the Holocaust worse? No. You confront evil and the consequences are the evil's fault. Awk bless, you’re really trying. Holy strawmen Batman. You can’t actually believe what you’re splurging out here can you?
One day Trump will blatantly admit he only started the war to help him in the midterms, and oBlade will defend him by saying that the war could've been avoided if only Democrats said they approved of him when polled about it, so the blood is really on our hands if you think about it. Bet money on it.
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On April 01 2026 23:18 KwarK wrote:
The complaint isn’t that Iran is perfect, it’s that the US is losing the war against Iran. oblade going “oh, so you support Iran then?” is absurd when the only person advocating for surrendering to Iran is him. If Trump is going to start a war with Iran then the least he could do is fucking win it.
I was actually hopeful that they might accidentally do something good and end the evil regime and their colonial terror network. But apparently they either want to keep it around as a controllable threat for whenever they want a restock the military contact, or political distraction. Or, what I think, they never had a plan to begin with and just all Randy and felt cool about using all their big toys. Ignoring all the nerds that told them it wouldn’t work and why.
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On April 01 2026 23:23 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 23:18 KwarK wrote:
The complaint isn’t that Iran is perfect, it’s that the US is losing the war against Iran. oblade going “oh, so you support Iran then?” is absurd when the only person advocating for surrendering to Iran is him. If Trump is going to start a war with Iran then the least he could do is fucking win it. I'm with you, he definitely should go much, much further.
Or, if he doesn’t have a plan for winning the war, maybe don’t start one. Maybe make the plan first, then start the war. But you’ve been the one constantly defending the plan of achieving strategic surprise by not telling his allies or military planners or the people in charge of the strategic petroleum reserve that he was going to do it.
But in any case, you're not with me, you're with Iran. You're the one who, the moment Trump proposed surrendering the strait to Iran, pivoted to explaining how it's actually a good thing and if you think about it the US never even controlled the strait in the first place.
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On April 01 2026 18:11 oBlade wrote:
The oil issues affect the US but not directly. The US gets its oil elsewhere. That's why the US was able to do this.
... a very accessible message of moral clarity to the whole world.
Fuck you I got mine. Moral clarity lmao
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On April 01 2026 22:07 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Trump is so fucking mad that Europe and the gulf states aren't agreeing to his masterfully crafted exit strategy of getting them involved in the war and then immediately dipping out leaving them with a flaming pile of shit.
If Irans government doesn't magically collapse within weeks (which to be fair would be great and I don't give a shit if it gives Trump the biggest W possible) then there are only a few options left.
1. Go home.
2. Iraq level ground invasion.
3. War crime level air campaign where you take out energy infrastructure and powerplants and other shit until Iran is back at preindustrial levels. Bibbi probably goes around with a constant half chub thinking about this option. This is the likely reason EU countries are starting to reconsider an open airspace for bombing. Being complicit in something that will kill hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people and displace tens of millions, will likely triggering extreme civil unrest possibly war, while also fucking the global economy at the same time, is just a bad look.
4. Continue muddling along hoping for the best.
100% that EU is ready to open the strait of Hormuz if the US just fucks off. All they (with the help of China) has to do is to get Israel to back down and Iran should be very receptacle to the idea as long as some of the US redlines are of the table. Since the world doesn't care that much about most of them it would not be difficult. Note that Iran's response to option 3 is to do the same to everyone around them.
The entire world hates America's guts already for directly causing this energy crisis. Image how they will feel when the entire middle easts oil and gas production goes up in flames.
And America will rightfully get the blame for it, they are the cause of this. Not Iran.
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On April 01 2026 23:24 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 23:21 WombaT wrote:On April 01 2026 23:07 oBlade wrote:On April 01 2026 22:24 LightSpectra wrote:On April 01 2026 21:25 Jankisa wrote:
I find it supremely ironic that people like our brain rotten centrist here have the gall to speak of moral clarity when the war is being waged by 2 guys who are in power and escalating wars because they are trying to stay out of jail. You just don't understand, if we don't bomb schools and cancer medicine manufacturers then Iran will nuke us one day. Oh it's okay I have good news for you there's no problem buddy, the US is just more technologically and scientifically advanced than Iran.On April 01 2026 22:47 PoulsenB wrote:
Ah, so the US and Israel are morally superior because they didn't rape the girls that were killed in the Iranian school they bombed. Im learning so much about morality. If you think Iran is morally superior to the US, your worldliness could be lacking. If you think Iran and the US are moral equals, there can't be an issue with them having a fair go at each other now, can there. If you think the US is morally superior to Iran, you'd be correct and also not be wrong to add that no that doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want like nuke Tehran. To most people it's obvious and goes without saying, but yes it's correct. However. Thinking that moral superiority means the US standard has to be to exist with such perfection as to not let a single soldier be killed or injured, not let a single civilian die, not make a single mistake, not have a single incidence of collateral damage, while Iran can do whatever the FUCK it wants because otherwise it might hurt your gas prices for a bit, is go back to the drawing board of morality territory. Totally disconnected from reality. The US does not bomb schools on purpose. The insinuation is baseless propaganda. Too much of the coddled first world just has no idea. They must be rational actors right Drumpf pushed them to it? When the Nazis were losing WW2, they devoted more resources to the Final Solution. Hitler devoted more resources to the V2. Why? Was the V2 helping stop allied bombers to equalize the air war? No. It was solely to terrorize British civilians. Devoting more resources to the extermination of the Jewish people was solely evil, spite, it didn't matter how the war was going, at least take the Jews down with them was the idea. Perhaps the US should have backed off in WW2 because winning made the Holocaust worse? No. You confront evil and the consequences are the evil's fault. Awk bless, you’re really trying. Holy strawmen Batman. You can’t actually believe what you’re splurging out here can you? One day Trump will blatantly admit he only started the war to help him in the midterms, and oBlade will defend him by saying that the war could've been avoided if only Democrats said they approved of him when polled about it, so the blood is really on our hands if you think about it. Bet money on it.
Operation Overlord is good even if FDR had only done it to win the election that year. When something is just, there's no reason to argue for avoiding it.
On April 01 2026 23:33 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 23:23 oBlade wrote:On April 01 2026 23:18 KwarK wrote:
The complaint isn’t that Iran is perfect, it’s that the US is losing the war against Iran. oblade going “oh, so you support Iran then?” is absurd when the only person advocating for surrendering to Iran is him. If Trump is going to start a war with Iran then the least he could do is fucking win it. I'm with you, he definitely should go much, much further. Or, if he doesn’t have a plan for winning the war, maybe don’t start one. Maybe make the plan first, then start the war. But you’ve been the one constantly defending the plan of achieving strategic surprise by not telling his allies or military planners or the people in charge of the strategic petroleum reserve that he was going to do it.
This is part of your Trump-doesn't-really-count-as-President complex.
You're a paperwork guy which is fine. But you don't know how authority works and what a boss is. You think the system is the boss. The system is nothing. The leader is the boss. In this case, the president. Systems don't do things. They just sit there. The president doesn't report to someone in the system that outranks him.
God knows what "military planners" refers to. The US has militarily planned for everything. The US has militarily planned for invading Mexico and Canada. When he sent 2 carriers do you think they got there when the war started and then said oops we forgot to bring the planes? or the bombs to put on them? Trump's link to the military is Caine. The chain of command goes through the joint chiefs. Really don't know who "military planners" is supposed to be that Trump was supposed to go to their office and say hey guys, war in Iran next week, figure something out, but he kept them out of the loop. Like there's one chain of command and then an oh wait actual war is on your mind alternate chain of command. Everyone in the US military is deliberately arranged in a 250 year old loop. Who are the "military planners" that Trump is supposed to report to that were kept out of the loop?
The strategic petroleum reserve is nothing here. There is no supply issue. The US net exports.
On April 01 2026 23:33 KwarK wrote:
But in any case, you're not with me, you're with Iran. You're the one who, the moment Trump proposed surrendering the strait to Iran, pivoted to explaining how it's actually a good thing and if you think about it the US never even controlled the strait in the first place.
It would be a good thing if the US handled the Strait.
It would also be a good thing if the US left and other countries handled the Strait.
It would not be a good thing if the US left and nobody handled the Strait, but it wouldn't really be a direct issue for the US. It would however be a hilarious indictment of the made-up international order and UN being able to do anything without needing to ask the US or have the US do most or all of it for them.
If the US left we should surely expect the rational actor of Iran to allow oil to flow again to China and India and Europe and the rest of Asia even if tolled. There would be no reason left to continue fucking around with it.
Have Iran's secret ocean floor mines popped up to the surface yet you speculated?
They can't definitively dominate the Strait as they don't have a ship left to put in it, and if they did it would immediately become an involuntary submarine. What they can do is create an uncertainty that most huge slow tanker ships don't want to bother betting against at the moment. Don't get caught up in trying to F5 the war every ten seconds and weighing a random Trump waffling vs. an expectation for instant gratification and oh the sky is falling Blumpf lost he's surrendering because tanker traffic isn't the same as... 5 weeks ago.
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On April 01 2026 19:47 Gorsameth wrote:
It could well end up being that the rest of the world ends up paying indirect reparations through a tax on the strait.
I think that's the most likely outcome. Hopefully the EU gets the US to pay for all that tax. (no, not a tarif, that hurts the average EU citizen more than the US purse - hopefully our leaders understand that unlike trump)
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On April 02 2026 00:43 misirlou wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2026 19:47 Gorsameth wrote:
It could well end up being that the rest of the world ends up paying indirect reparations through a tax on the strait. I think that's the most likely outcome. Hopefully the EU gets the US to pay for all that tax. (no, not a tarif, that hurts the average EU citizen more than the US purse - hopefully our leaders understand that unlike trump)
The EU should go ahead with the tax on American IT giants.
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