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I find it darkly funny that people have seen the reactions to Renee Good and Alex Pretti killings, where in both cases it was armed agents executing American Citizens for basically not complying with orders and thinking that if some Socialists or Anti-fascists start shooting back at cops/military there is going to be a lot of sympathy and support from them from the public at large.
I guess it is nice to have hope and faith in your country and people in it that they will recognize injustice and be ready to put their lives down to defend the Republic, but to me, seeing how propagandized USA has been, what the reactions to, as an example Kyle Rittenhouse case was as compared to these cases, there is 0 chance that any armed resistance with popular support happens, even if there's a tape of Trump raping a child, even if bulletproof evidence that hes working for Russia or Israel directly comes out, people won't believe their lying eyes and ears, I mean, 70 % might, but the 30 % who won't hold all the levers of power, including being in control of all the institutions that have the monopoly on state violence.
BTW, good on Joe Kent, while I disagree with large parts of his views on how we got here and find it ironic that he found the time to praise Trump killing Solemani which was, to me, the triggering event for the unraveling of the Middle east over the past 6 years, at least the guy found his balls and is one of the first Trump appointees to actually quit in protest, hopefully first of many!
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On March 17 2026 23:57 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2026 23:32 Velr wrote:It should be concerning that the UK arrests and prosecutes over 1,000 people a year for a legal standard that includes offensive and indecent speech on social media Should it tho? Why? Not behaving like a giant, usually racist, prick spreading lies and/or stoking hate including downright trying to incite violence doesn't seem that high of a standard to be allowed to participate in society. Now you could argue, that the state sometimes overreaches and prosecutes people it shouldn't... But then I remember that the US has the death penalty and this argument would be extremly hypocritical... Also... I read about hte UK arresting citizens for "free speech" in like 5 reddit threads today but usally the number is ~13'000 and misquoted as from 2025 when it's not. Do you get a daily propaganda newsletter to know what bs to spread? ‘That includes’ can do some heavy lifting for some folks. It’s a part of the pie, but some jump to some preconceived notion they have and conclude the majority of those arrests are simply for unpopular/transgressive social media posts. Quite often it turns out that it’s the combo of existing, often long, long existing criminal offence, that is done via some kind of media as a mechanism. So-called revenge porn is a sadly common one. So too harassment, so too libel. Somebody like Graham Linehan who’s held up by rather odious types as fighting the good fight against trans rights overreach, to my knowledge has never incurred the wrath of the state for talking shit about trans people in general. It’s been for frankly deranged levels of consistent harassment of specific individuals. BTW I’m going from memory so if I am wrong, I am wrong, just to inb4 that. The internet isn’t some magical, different realm, some alternative reality but some seem to treat it as if it is. If I posted naked photos of my ex in her workplace, or if I followed some enemy around in their day to day and chatted shit about them in earshot of others, I don’t think people would object to me being arrested at the very least, or sued, or subject to a restraining order. Not that it’s all a bed of roses here, we’ve seen subsequent governments enact real, actual policies that restrict legitimate political protest. Which oddly enough you hear much less about, it appears for some the freedom to pejoratively use the n word online is a bigger infringement on expression than, actual infringements on expression. Wonder why that is eh?
It does often feel like a different reality. The algos are literally nuts and often appear to provide information, even. Makes you think that all of rl is being decoded and transmitted in realtime.
Privacy is dead. It's an abusive environment when you perceive it. You have to act like you're in public at all times, even when at home. It's like people are being forcefully dragged into the perception of the tech conglomerate that operates in questionable manners, and it's getting worse. It's dictatorial. And it almost forces you to pay attention to it.
I only started paying attention to reels and the like when my ex got me into social media apps. It's like a science of its own just reading implicit things from them.
Unsurprisingly, it could explain why a lot of society is on edge these days.
I could make a google drive and fill it to the brim with false info and some bot would process it into facts, possibly altering somebody elses algo and so on. Or task a bot to do that for me.
Even if all you ever did was post memes or normalburger pictures, the algos will be able to judge you for the inputs you get.
Good time to figure out a way to live happily without internet. It got scary.
'Oh look an unregulated mess is causing problems, y tho'
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On March 18 2026 02:01 Jankisa wrote:
I find it darkly funny that people have seen the reactions to Renee Good and Alex Pretti killings, where in both cases it was armed agents executing American Citizens for basically not complying with orders and thinking that if some Socialists or Anti-fascists start shooting back at cops/military there is going to be a lot of sympathy and support from them from the public at large.
i found many republicans, conservatives, and independents thought ICE messed up badly when killing Pretti. I think an investigation is in order for Pretti's death; I'd say he was probably murdered. But, that's a guess without a proper investigation. A proper investigation and criminal charges need to follow if the investigation indicates the officers/agents made a mistake. Public opinion shifted after Pretti was killed.
When you initiate 1000s of arrests a handful, at minimum, will go wrong. This is assuming every officer/agent is 100% on the up and up. If there is corruption within the police force you'll get more than a handful.
Law enforcement agents/officers across the world will continue to make mistakes every year.
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On March 18 2026 02:09 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2026 02:01 Jankisa wrote:
I find it darkly funny that people have seen the reactions to Renee Good and Alex Pretti killings, where in both cases it was armed agents executing American Citizens for basically not complying with orders and thinking that if some Socialists or Anti-fascists start shooting back at cops/military there is going to be a lot of sympathy and support from them from the public at large.
i found many republicans, conservatives, and independents thought ICE messed up badly when killing Pretti. I think an investigation is in order for Pretti's death; I'd say he was probably murdered. But, that's a guess without a proper investigation. A proper investigation and criminal charges need to follow if the investigation indicates the officers/agents made a mistake. Public opinion shifted after Pretti was killed. When you initiate 1000s of arrests a handful, at minimum, will go wrong. This is assuming every officer/agent is 100% on the up and up. If there is corruption within the police force you'll get more than a handful. Law enforcement agents/officers across the world will continue to make mistakes every year. Mistakes happen.
Only the US has law enforcement executing civilians in cold blood.
This is not 'just how things are'.
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On March 18 2026 02:01 Jankisa wrote:I find it darkly funny that people have seen the reactions to Renee Good and Alex Pretti killings, where in both cases it was armed agents executing American Citizens for basically not complying with orders and thinking that if some Socialists or Anti-fascists start shooting back at cops/military there is going to be a lot of sympathy and support from them from the public at large. + Show Spoiler +I guess it is nice to have hope and faith in your country and people in it that they will recognize injustice and be ready to put their lives down to defend the Republic, but to me, seeing how propagandized USA has been, what the reactions to, as an example Kyle Rittenhouse case was as compared to these cases, there is 0 chance that any armed resistance with popular support happens, even if there's a tape of Trump raping a child, even if bulletproof evidence that hes working for Russia or Israel directly comes out, people won't believe their lying eyes and ears, I mean, 70 % might, but the 30 % who won't hold all the levers of power, including being in control of all the institutions that have the monopoly on state violence.
BTW, good on Joe Kent, while I disagree with large parts of his views on how we got here and find it ironic that he found the time to praise Trump killing Solemani which was, to me, the triggering event for the unraveling of the Middle east over the past 6 years, at least the guy found his balls and is one of the first Trump appointees to actually quit in protest, hopefully first of many!
I think half of people supporting "Abolishing ICE" is pretty significant. (EDIT: linked actual poll)
As I said before, the obvious vector for this kind of conflict is morale more than military might.
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On March 18 2026 02:19 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2026 02:09 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 18 2026 02:01 Jankisa wrote:
I find it darkly funny that people have seen the reactions to Renee Good and Alex Pretti killings, where in both cases it was armed agents executing American Citizens for basically not complying with orders and thinking that if some Socialists or Anti-fascists start shooting back at cops/military there is going to be a lot of sympathy and support from them from the public at large.
i found many republicans, conservatives, and independents thought ICE messed up badly when killing Pretti. I think an investigation is in order for Pretti's death; I'd say he was probably murdered. But, that's a guess without a proper investigation. A proper investigation and criminal charges need to follow if the investigation indicates the officers/agents made a mistake. Public opinion shifted after Pretti was killed. When you initiate 1000s of arrests a handful, at minimum, will go wrong. This is assuming every officer/agent is 100% on the up and up. If there is corruption within the police force you'll get more than a handful. Law enforcement agents/officers across the world will continue to make mistakes every year. Mistakes happen. Only the US has law enforcement executing civilians in cold blood. This is not 'just how things are'.
if it was murder, it was not a cold blooded killing. There was a scuffle and direct physical contact. prolly manslaughter. again though, just a guess on my part. in my view, an investigation is warranted. i'll defer to your 100% mind reading and 100% absolute knowledge and subsequent shotgun justice though. LOL.
i fear US law enforcement, so I don't tempt fate. A large # of protesters proved they had zero fear for ICE during the many minnesota confrontations. Alex Pretti showed no fear. I guess they have no fear because of the perceived track record of US law enforcement. If Alex Pretti had the same rational fear I have of US law enforcement he would be alive today.
I'll add some depth to this. I don't fear major city US police forces like NYC or Chicago. NYC cops follow procedures.. I am scared shitless of the cops in upstate new york... like the Catskills and Schenectady. Notice lots of protesters have no problem screaming at NYC COps. They don't fuck with the cops upstate.
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United States, under it's current leadership has an official stance that both the killings were not only lawful, but that the behavior of these 2 people made them domestic terrorists.
By refusing to investigate these cases, by allowing the agencies to help the agents hide the evidence and lie and by blocking state authorities from investigating, US goverment is sending a message to all agents working for it that it's OK to execute people for whatever these agents perceive as resisting.
This is not a mistake, it's a deliberate tactic of turning up the temperature in order to create an atmosphere of fear. It goes in the same category as deploying national guard and army troops to cities to "quell uprisings", despite said uprisings being mostly people in frog costumes dancing and people blowing whistles and yelling.
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On March 18 2026 02:47 Jankisa wrote:
United States, under it's current leadership has an official stance that both the killings were not only lawful, but that the behavior of these 2 people made them domestic terrorists.
Noem's instantaneous endorsement of the Pretti killing was comical. Probably a contributing factor to her firing. Big moron move on her part.
Here is the cookie cutter response every public official makes right after Pretti dies.
"we are conducting a full investigation into the death of Alex Pretti. His death is a tragedy. I grieve with his mom Linda and father Bob. I have no further comment until our thorough investigation is complete and hte autopsy and lab results are analyzed."
On March 18 2026 02:47 Jankisa wrote:
By refusing to investigate these cases, by allowing the agencies to help the agents hide the evidence and lie and by blocking state authorities from investigating, US goverment is sending a message to all agents working for it that it's OK to execute people for whatever these agents perceive as resisting.
This is not a mistake, it's a deliberate tactic of turning up the temperature in order to create an atmosphere of fear. It goes in the same category as deploying national guard and army troops to cities to "quell uprisings", despite said uprisings being mostly people in frog costumes dancing and people blowing whistles and yelling.
even when giant investigations get undertaken the cops can still go 100% free.
17 year old Wade Lawson and 18 year old Sammy Yatim were murdered by GTA/Toronto cops and declared innocent. So cops murder citizens outside the USA. It happens man. Canada is not a fascist regime.
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On March 18 2026 02:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2026 02:47 Jankisa wrote:
United States, under it's current leadership has an official stance that both the killings were not only lawful, but that the behavior of these 2 people made them domestic terrorists.
Noem's instantaneous endorsement of the Pretti killing was comical. Probably a contributing factor to her firing. Big moron move on her part. Here is the cookie cutter response every public official makes right after Pretti dies. "we are conducting a full investigation into the death of Alex Pretti. His death is a tragedy. I grieve with his mom Linda and father Bob. I have no further comment until our thorough investigation is complete and hte autopsy and lab results are analyzed."
I find it absolutely hilarious that Jimmy's argument here is "we should all be afraid of the people who are supposed to protect us".
In most countries, people are not afraid of the police, especially if they are not doing anything illegal, Alex Peretti was trying to help a woman who was tackled to the ground by armed men, that guy was brave, that guy was a fucking hero and he gave his life so maybe, just maybe some people snap out of their fascist fever dream.
Living in a state where you are afraid of the people you are paying to protect you is a sad state of affairs, and most Americans live like this, it's incredibly sad that this is a normal thing.
Not Jimmy tho, he's OK with fascism as long as the GDP growth is above 2%, well, I find it very interesting that Jimmy hasn't commented on the latest revisions, I guess it wasn't big news on Fox business.
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On March 18 2026 02:55 Jankisa wrote:
I find it absolutely hilarious that Jimmy's argument here is "we should all be afraid of the people who are supposed to protect us".
As I said, I am not afraid of the cops in Toronto city proper or NYC. i know the reputation of upstate New York cops and i have a rational fear of them. I am also afraid of the cops in the Toronto suburbs. Mississauga, Brampton, etc. These Canadian cops make their own rules.
Source for Schnectady New York.
https://www.tacopinalaw.com/app/uploads/2020/07/Schnectady.pdf
This is the tip of the iceberg dawg. Check out the home of Mike Tyson. Its even worse in the Catskills...
And the local protesters know this.... and act accordingly... they'll fuck with NYC cops all day .. every day.
This is just a little street wisdom if you ever decide to visit New York state or its neighbour to the north.
On March 18 2026 02:55 Jankisa wrote:
Not Jimmy tho, he's OK with fascism as long as the GDP growth is above 2%, well, I find it very interesting that Jimmy hasn't commented on the latest revisions, I guess it wasn't big news on Fox business.
i guess you don't notice my "Nate The Lawyer" or "Mark Dice" or "Matt Walsh" sourced content that opposes "Conservative Inc" funded Fox.
Latest estimates are GDP will grow by 2.1% or 2.2% in 2025. I projected 2% growth. For all the other BS Trump caused in 2025 i consider 2.1% growth a failure. Hell, it was 2.5% in Biden's last year.
I want Reagan or Clinton levels of economic growth. I consider that a success. 2% is only barely acceptable if you run the country in a normal diplomatic fashion as Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, and Carter did in the past.
Look for my upcoming post about how the middle class and lower middle class do have extra spending money to throw around. This "K shaped economic recovery" thing is a made up BS term.
So far, I rate Trump's current term as President as a failure.
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On March 18 2026 02:55 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2026 02:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 18 2026 02:47 Jankisa wrote:
United States, under it's current leadership has an official stance that both the killings were not only lawful, but that the behavior of these 2 people made them domestic terrorists.
Noem's instantaneous endorsement of the Pretti killing was comical. Probably a contributing factor to her firing. Big moron move on her part. Here is the cookie cutter response every public official makes right after Pretti dies. "we are conducting a full investigation into the death of Alex Pretti. His death is a tragedy. I grieve with his mom Linda and father Bob. I have no further comment until our thorough investigation is complete and hte autopsy and lab results are analyzed." + Show Spoiler +
I find it absolutely hilarious that Jimmy's argument here is "we should all be afraid of the people who are supposed to protect us".
In most countries, people are not afraid of the police, especially if they are not doing anything illegal, Alex Peretti was trying to help a woman who was tackled to the ground by armed men, that guy was brave, that guy was a fucking hero and he gave his life so maybe, just maybe some people snap out of their fascist fever dream.
Living in a state where you are afraid of the people you are paying to protect you is a sad state of affairs, and most Americans live like this, it's incredibly sad that this is a normal thing. + Show Spoiler +Not Jimmy tho, he's OK with fascism as long as the GDP growth is above 2%, well, I find it very interesting that Jimmy hasn't commented on the latest revisions, I guess it wasn't big news on Fox business.
Black people have always lived like this in the US. We have to vote for them too. You have to remember that many of the most notoriously horrific police departments have long been under the purview of Democrat controlled governments
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On March 18 2026 02:09 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2026 02:01 Jankisa wrote:
I find it darkly funny that people have seen the reactions to Renee Good and Alex Pretti killings, where in both cases it was armed agents executing American Citizens for basically not complying with orders and thinking that if some Socialists or Anti-fascists start shooting back at cops/military there is going to be a lot of sympathy and support from them from the public at large.
i found many republicans, conservatives, and independents thought ICE messed up badly when killing Pretti. I think an investigation is in order for Pretti's death; I'd say he was probably murdered. At least some polls confirm this. Quinnipiac had Republicans at 77% thinking Good's shooting was a justified shooting, it drops to 55% for Pretti. That's with 11% don't know/no answer and 25% don't know/no answer.
To look at the flip side, when you move from 33% not justified or don't know, to 45% not justified or don't know, that's some movement.
But, that's a guess without a proper investigation. A proper investigation and criminal charges need to follow if the investigation indicates the officers/agents made a mistake. Public opinion shifted after Pretti was killed. What's interesting is this subject as a general election topic when no public investigation or publicly revealed results of an investigation is forthcoming. Does it sway voters in either showing up to vote against the Republican party, or staying home instead of voting for the Republican party?
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On March 18 2026 02:19 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2026 02:09 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 18 2026 02:01 Jankisa wrote:
I find it darkly funny that people have seen the reactions to Renee Good and Alex Pretti killings, where in both cases it was armed agents executing American Citizens for basically not complying with orders and thinking that if some Socialists or Anti-fascists start shooting back at cops/military there is going to be a lot of sympathy and support from them from the public at large.
i found many republicans, conservatives, and independents thought ICE messed up badly when killing Pretti. I think an investigation is in order for Pretti's death; I'd say he was probably murdered. But, that's a guess without a proper investigation. A proper investigation and criminal charges need to follow if the investigation indicates the officers/agents made a mistake. Public opinion shifted after Pretti was killed. When you initiate 1000s of arrests a handful, at minimum, will go wrong. This is assuming every officer/agent is 100% on the up and up. If there is corruption within the police force you'll get more than a handful. Law enforcement agents/officers across the world will continue to make mistakes every year. Mistakes happen. Only the US has law enforcement executing civilians in cold blood. This is not 'just how things are'.
Rabid anti-American statement is an insult to citizens of the ~200 odd other countries you know nothing about and haven't made any attempt to analyze the law enforcement of. Even if you thought the US executed civilians in cold blood. "Only." Sure. Iranian guards rape women before execution so they can't get into heaven. That's not correctly functioning law enforcement the US needs to learn from.
On March 18 2026 02:47 Jankisa wrote:
United States, under it's current leadership has an official stance that both the killings were not only lawful, but that the behavior of these 2 people made them domestic terrorists.
By refusing to investigate these cases, by allowing the agencies to help the agents hide the evidence and lie, US goverment is sending a message to all agents working for it that it's OK to execute people for whatever these agents perceive as resisting.
The Pretti case is still under FBI investigation or we would have heard or seen the results of it by now. It was 9 months before Chauvin was charged.
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"The US might be better then Iran".
Thank god the bar hasn't dropped to low for Oblade...
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Trump says NATO is no longer needed because it was always a "one way street" where the US pays "Hundreds of Billions of Dollars per year" to protect countries that don't do anything for the US. Japan, Australia, or South Korea are also bad and that's all because the rest of the Western world refused to participate in offensive operations against Iran.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116245182325726375
French fighters actively participated in protecting the United Arab Emirates during this war. Other countries like the UK provide other kinds of support. Earlier, the Western allies also worked together with the US in Libya and anti-ISIS operations in the Middle East. We had (and still have) common goals in Ukraine and almost everyone cooperated with the US to help Ukraine.
Suddenly none of that matters because those "worthless" allies aren't interested in bombing Israel's enemies. Can't we use the same logic to claim the American-Israeli alliance is also a one way street? When was the last time that country did something signficant for the US or its allies in the region?
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He can't make up his mind going from bragging that he doesn't need any help to begging for help every other day.
I'm sure he was also confused on why NATO didn't help the US invade Vietnam too.
But now we see how much America is back and now the world respects America because of Trump (Obama apologized!). So far Trump has been unable to gin up any kind of coalition of the willing so of course he will say he doesn't need any help. That's how much the world respects Trump's America.
Even the Bush administration knew to get support BEFORE attacking a country. And furthermore knew that Article 5 would not cover invading Iraq and so didn't waste time bemoaning the uselessness of NATO. Sure they didn't like Chretien saying no to Iraq and yes Bush burned a lot of bridges after he got his coalition embroiled in Iraq. Trump can't even get that far... but he didn't want help anyways.
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On March 18 2026 03:16 oBlade wrote:
Iranian guards rape women before execution so they can't get into heaven. That's not correctly functioning law enforcement the US needs to learn from.
In the USA, Republicans would nominate one of those guards for President.
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On March 18 2026 02:19 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2026 02:09 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 18 2026 02:01 Jankisa wrote:
I find it darkly funny that people have seen the reactions to Renee Good and Alex Pretti killings, where in both cases it was armed agents executing American Citizens for basically not complying with orders and thinking that if some Socialists or Anti-fascists start shooting back at cops/military there is going to be a lot of sympathy and support from them from the public at large.
i found many republicans, conservatives, and independents thought ICE messed up badly when killing Pretti. I think an investigation is in order for Pretti's death; I'd say he was probably murdered. But, that's a guess without a proper investigation. A proper investigation and criminal charges need to follow if the investigation indicates the officers/agents made a mistake. Public opinion shifted after Pretti was killed. When you initiate 1000s of arrests a handful, at minimum, will go wrong. This is assuming every officer/agent is 100% on the up and up. If there is corruption within the police force you'll get more than a handful. Law enforcement agents/officers across the world will continue to make mistakes every year. Mistakes happen. Only the US has law enforcement executing civilians in cold blood. This is not 'just how things are'.
I mean...
Look up the Philippines under Duterte.
US law enforcement is maybe uniquely bad by western standards (given the amount of guns and attitude to gun violence it's also a pretty unique position to be a cop in).
But it's not particularly awful compared to the rest of the world.
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On March 18 2026 03:49 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2026 02:19 Gorsameth wrote:On March 18 2026 02:09 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 18 2026 02:01 Jankisa wrote:
I find it darkly funny that people have seen the reactions to Renee Good and Alex Pretti killings, where in both cases it was armed agents executing American Citizens for basically not complying with orders and thinking that if some Socialists or Anti-fascists start shooting back at cops/military there is going to be a lot of sympathy and support from them from the public at large.
i found many republicans, conservatives, and independents thought ICE messed up badly when killing Pretti. I think an investigation is in order for Pretti's death; I'd say he was probably murdered. But, that's a guess without a proper investigation. A proper investigation and criminal charges need to follow if the investigation indicates the officers/agents made a mistake. Public opinion shifted after Pretti was killed. When you initiate 1000s of arrests a handful, at minimum, will go wrong. This is assuming every officer/agent is 100% on the up and up. If there is corruption within the police force you'll get more than a handful. Law enforcement agents/officers across the world will continue to make mistakes every year. Mistakes happen. Only the US has law enforcement executing civilians in cold blood. This is not 'just how things are'. I mean... Look up the Philippines under Duterte. US law enforcement is maybe uniquely bad by western standards (given the amount of guns and attitude to gun violence it's also a pretty unique position to be a cop in). But it's not particularly awful compared to the rest of the world. Just like with Oblade. The US, perhaps slightly better then the Philippines under Duterte.
If you're having to compare the US to 3e world countries to come out favorably that might show a problem.
But hey, the US is basically a banana Republic at this point so it might just be an abt comparison.
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Who even cares anymore. I'm really hoping someone just telling Trump how full of shit he is, him subsequently dying of a heart attack and then the AI bubble to burst because why wouldn't it. At least I'd regain some whimsy again. But at the pace everything's going - they're tightening the thumbscrews everywhere because money seems to be in short supply so they need to nibble at social securities - I'll be 70 at 40. We need a Dune style purge of everything computer. I'd happily support that honestly.
Workers are happily and blindly obliging to automation projects only to see themselves being put at the door in 5 years because cost cutting.
Companies are capital extraction machines. The human intermezzo is only here because there wasn't anything better in the meantime. The real question is: will politicians understand, or will they act too late, let's find out together.
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