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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18197 Posts
4 hours ago
#109121
Trump seems to just get a hard on from angering Europeans for no reason whatsoever.

He apparently felt the need to say on Fox news that NATO troops contributed nothing of value to the war in Afghanistan. Which is just incredibly disrespectful. The very mention of a "front" also seems to indicate that he doesn't even understand how the war in Afghanistan was fought. There was maybe a front for the first week or so. But after that, all of Afghanistan was nominally conquered. The problem wasn't a front, it was guerilla resistance doing raids and ambushes. And there were plenty of non-US groups stationed all over the east and north, where battles with the Taliban (and Al'Quaeda and IS) flared up repeatedly.

But even if we accept the little bit of the war where there was still a front, there were British and German (special forces) in almost equal numbers to US troops involved in rooting the Taliban out of their cave strongholds in Tora Bora, which was probably the hottest part of the conventional war with an actual front.

So, ETisME and other Trump whisperers, what is the point of telling an incredibly obvious lie that only serves to disrespect and anger allies?
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11723 Posts
3 hours ago
#109122
I'd like to talk about this Golden Dome thing from a different perspective, to show why it is a uniquely bad idea.

Let's assume it works. Let's say that in 2-3 years, the US will have a 100% effective defense against all ICBMs and SLBMs. Sounds awesome, now what is the problem with that?

Well, it isn't in 3 years, it is now. And it breaks MAD. View this from the perspective of Russia or China. You know that in 3 years, the US will be immune to your nukes. Mutually Assured Destruction will become One Sided Assured Destruction (OSAD).

What does this mean?
It means you now have exactly 4 options:

1) Hope that the US will be nice forever
2) Surrender to the US on any issue they may have forever.
3) Get your own Dome up on exactly the same day (See below)
4) Launch everything now while it still works.

Because from that point onward, the US can always destroy you whenever they want, and you have no retaliation. Our current theory of nuclear war is that MAD stabilizes things. If MAD becomes OSAD, the superior side can always threaten to nuke the other to get whatever they want.

I think it is very clear that 1-2 may look very unattractive to Russia or China (If you suck at taking other viewpoints, just imagines it is China who gets their 100% Dome and OSAD.), and 3 probably doesn't sound very possible. Thus, you are left with starting total nuclear annihilation or complete surrender as your only options. Probably not a position you want to put someone in.

(Why does it have to be on the exact same day? Because if one side gets theirs up even one day earlier, they can then threaten nuclear annihilation if the other side doesn't immediately dismantle theirs.)

And what if the Dome isn't 100%, but 90%? Firstly, then it is basically pointless, because if 10% of nuclear missiles get through, the US is still a wasteland. And even worse, others may assume that it will gradually improve to 100%. At which point we are once again left with "launch everything now" being the best move.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5020 Posts
3 hours ago
#109123
Counter: so Trump makes the world go from a MAD scenario to a MAS (mutually assured survival) scenario? Nobel peace prize forever and ever. Checkmate, TDSers
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7040 Posts
2 hours ago
#109124
When the Fallout series and reality are suddenly not that far apart...
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia242 Posts
2 hours ago
#109125
Regardind the Greenland situation: I'm really surprised that Greenland has not yet offered to join the USA if USA implements: paid vacation time, universal healthcare and maternity leave.
Battle is waged in the name of the many. The brave, who generation after generation choose the mantle of - Dark Templar!
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7040 Posts
2 hours ago
#109126
On January 23 2026 22:40 dankobanana wrote:
Regardind the Greenland situation: I'm really surprised that Greenland has not yet offered to join the USA if USA implements: paid vacation time, universal healthcare and maternity leave.


And while they are at it they give every new US citizen 1 million dollar?
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5020 Posts
2 hours ago
#109127
1000 rare minerals. They're full of it!
Taxes are for Terrans
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2005 Posts
2 hours ago
#109128
We've officially withdrawn from the WHO. I'd like to offer my hearty thanks to the "both sides are the same" crowd for letting the lunatics take over the asylum in a much more literal sense than that idiom is usually used. No doubt some of them will be here any moment to proudly insinuate in their willful ignorance that the WHO doesn't do anything useful, or to advance some hilarious theory about how Kamala Harris had plans to do something equally stupid or bad.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5020 Posts
2 hours ago
#109129
Didn't you know that COVID is, to this day, a hoax perpetuated by the elite so that they can reduce you to cattle and/or mass murder the proletariat so that they can live in their automation paradise?
I've received my microchip personally by Bill Gates himself and he patted me on the back when I ingested it.
Ironically, Musk's Neuralink will actually be dystopian without the need for conspiracy.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22153 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 13:58:37
2 hours ago
#109130
On January 23 2026 21:23 Simberto wrote:
I'd like to talk about this Golden Dome thing from a different perspective, to show why it is a uniquely bad idea.

Let's assume it works. Let's say that in 2-3 years, the US will have a 100% effective defense against all ICBMs and SLBMs. Sounds awesome, now what is the problem with that?

Well, it isn't in 3 years, it is now. And it breaks MAD. View this from the perspective of Russia or China. You know that in 3 years, the US will be immune to your nukes. Mutually Assured Destruction will become One Sided Assured Destruction (OSAD).

What does this mean?
It means you now have exactly 4 options:

1) Hope that the US will be nice forever
2) Surrender to the US on any issue they may have forever.
3) Get your own Dome up on exactly the same day (See below)
4) Launch everything now while it still works.

Because from that point onward, the US can always destroy you whenever they want, and you have no retaliation. Our current theory of nuclear war is that MAD stabilizes things. If MAD becomes OSAD, the superior side can always threaten to nuke the other to get whatever they want.

I think it is very clear that 1-2 may look very unattractive to Russia or China (If you suck at taking other viewpoints, just imagines it is China who gets their 100% Dome and OSAD.), and 3 probably doesn't sound very possible. Thus, you are left with starting total nuclear annihilation or complete surrender as your only options. Probably not a position you want to put someone in.

(Why does it have to be on the exact same day? Because if one side gets theirs up even one day earlier, they can then threaten nuclear annihilation if the other side doesn't immediately dismantle theirs.)

And what if the Dome isn't 100%, but 90%? Firstly, then it is basically pointless, because if 10% of nuclear missiles get through, the US is still a wasteland. And even worse, others may assume that it will gradually improve to 100%. At which point we are once again left with "launch everything now" being the best move.


Even if everything besides the US gets hit, you get nuclear meltdowns in countries with nuclear power plants etc. What does he think he's going to do, shoot at the radioactive rain when it comes from another country?
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2005 Posts
2 hours ago
#109131
On January 23 2026 22:57 Uldridge wrote:
Didn't you know that COVID is, to this day, a hoax perpetuated by the elite so that they can reduce you to cattle and/or mass murder the proletariat so that they can live in their automation paradise?
I've received my microchip personally by Bill Gates himself and he patted me on the back when I ingested it.
Ironically, Musk's Neuralink will actually be dystopian without the need for conspiracy.


COVID was a hoax to destroy America and institute Marxism. That's why I will never vote for Republicans, under whom it started, and will always have a portrait of Joe Biden in my house because he ended it 💪
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1087 Posts
1 hour ago
#109132
It's all just so, so stupid.

During the Iran - Israel flare up last year USA and Israel employed all the best and greatest Anti air defenses, including atmospherics interceptors, plus other countries like UK, Jordan and a few others I believe contributed in shooting down Iran's missiles and drones. Iran telegraphed their strikes and everyone knew to be prepared.

Out of the serious, medium range missiles shoot from Iran more then 30 of them hit Israel proper, that is with all these high technology powers focusing it's defense, including USA moving it's best systems to Israel prior to these strikes. Apparently, according to the sources I can find the intercept rate was 80-90 %.

Those missiles had very small payloads and there was only about 350 of them used, the largest barrage of ballistic missiles was apparently between 60 and 70 of them.

Now, Israel is tiny, roughly the size of New Jersey, a smaller target is easier to defend then a huge one like USA, and despite all of the above the success rate was only between 80 and 90 %.

If anyone ever decides to shoot at USA, they won't fire 60-70 missiles, they will fire in the thousands, with technology far superior to Iran's, with decoys and flares and multiple re-entry vehicles that split into more as they reach the terminal stage.

This all seems like yet another way that someone around Trump wants to make incredible amounts of money off of selling him on an idea that he is too stupid to recognize is stupid, so he bites and none of the sycophants he surrounds himself with would ever tell him that he fell for a stupid idea, so now billions are going to be invested in something that is never going to work.

Hopefully it's also never going to be tested in any real way, but Jesus, it's so dumb and exhausting that this moron rules the world...
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1399 Posts
1 hour ago
#109133
On January 23 2026 19:01 Uldridge wrote:
I feel like the entire idea premise of looking at politics like some sort of market hustle buy is completely absurd. Diplomacy isn't common bartering. You don't need to go to a ridiculous take initially because people are usually reasonable and if you ask 20% initially to end up at 10%, you could've fought for the 10% in the first place. It's all just bully tactics that are simply disrespectful and wasting every one's time. The one thing it does do is show to morons what a big strong bad ass he is, whkle he's showing to everyone else what a moronic bully he is.

Not that the premise is not bad, but even within the premise what Trump is doing is particularly awful negotiation because it is all extremely public. Not only do all the stores know his schtick but so do all the other customers. What I business would actually do is jack the prices when he came in (double) offer him 10% off, then when he demands 30% and they crumble at 25% he wins and they make way more profit off him. Once he leaves the store all the customers and employees laugh and they lower the prices back down and they all get good deals and are happy.

The US is actually losing the most in all these scenarios. Take Canada US relations, it was under a decade ago where we hurt our own economy and got our citizens arrested to support the US. Now we are making trade deals with their enemy. Our citizens have stopped going down and spending money there. We are the verge of canceling a 14 Bn arms deal and swapping it to countries we are trying to build the relationship we used to have with the US. Our Prime Minister is making public speeches about how the US can't be trusted and the rest of the world needs to stand together, and getting standing ovations.

Trump is losing on his deals, claiming victory and destroying what the US built since WW2. ET doesn't seem to realize that he is not going from 0 to 5% he is going from 0 to -35%. No good can come from having a clinical narcist bafoon running your country. Anyone telling you the US is winning is lying to you for their own benefit because its obviously untrue. Trump only cares about his own networth, his golfing and the price tag alone should give a good idea of that.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10837 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 14:19:14
1 hour ago
#109134
On January 23 2026 22:57 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 21:23 Simberto wrote:
I'd like to talk about this Golden Dome thing from a different perspective, to show why it is a uniquely bad idea.

Let's assume it works. Let's say that in 2-3 years, the US will have a 100% effective defense against all ICBMs and SLBMs. Sounds awesome, now what is the problem with that?

Well, it isn't in 3 years, it is now. And it breaks MAD. View this from the perspective of Russia or China. You know that in 3 years, the US will be immune to your nukes. Mutually Assured Destruction will become One Sided Assured Destruction (OSAD).

What does this mean?
It means you now have exactly 4 options:

1) Hope that the US will be nice forever
2) Surrender to the US on any issue they may have forever.
3) Get your own Dome up on exactly the same day (See below)
4) Launch everything now while it still works.

Because from that point onward, the US can always destroy you whenever they want, and you have no retaliation. Our current theory of nuclear war is that MAD stabilizes things. If MAD becomes OSAD, the superior side can always threaten to nuke the other to get whatever they want.

I think it is very clear that 1-2 may look very unattractive to Russia or China (If you suck at taking other viewpoints, just imagines it is China who gets their 100% Dome and OSAD.), and 3 probably doesn't sound very possible. Thus, you are left with starting total nuclear annihilation or complete surrender as your only options. Probably not a position you want to put someone in.

(Why does it have to be on the exact same day? Because if one side gets theirs up even one day earlier, they can then threaten nuclear annihilation if the other side doesn't immediately dismantle theirs.)

And what if the Dome isn't 100%, but 90%? Firstly, then it is basically pointless, because if 10% of nuclear missiles get through, the US is still a wasteland. And even worse, others may assume that it will gradually improve to 100%. At which point we are once again left with "launch everything now" being the best move.


Even if everything besides the US gets hit, you get nuclear meltdowns in countries with nuclear power plants etc. What does he think he's going to do, shoot at the radioactive rain when it comes from another country?


Your talking about the guy that wanted to nuke a hurricane.



Just after redirecting it with a sharpy didn't work...
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8694 Posts
1 hour ago
#109135
On January 23 2026 22:50 LightSpectra wrote:
We've officially withdrawn from the WHO. I'd like to offer my hearty thanks to the "both sides are the same" crowd for letting the lunatics take over the asylum in a much more literal sense than that idiom is usually used. No doubt some of them will be here any moment to proudly insinuate in their willful ignorance that the WHO doesn't do anything useful, or to advance some hilarious theory about how Kamala Harris had plans to do something equally stupid or bad.


round #2 of something akin to the CHINA VIRUS™ would not go down so well I feel like. then again it did not go so well the last time anyway. though things are blurry regarding those couple years that felt like a decade and more.


so let' use that blur and amplify it to reach the one and only correct conclusion presented by benevolent voices on the internet that the WHO and Gate's 5G chip vaccine are to blame. the other part is Democrats and China.






Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7311 Posts
59 minutes ago
#109136
On January 23 2026 22:57 Uldridge wrote:
Didn't you know that COVID is, to this day, a hoax perpetuated by the elite so that they can reduce you to cattle and/or mass murder the proletariat so that they can live in their automation paradise?
I've received my microchip personally by Bill Gates himself and he patted me on the back when I ingested it.
Ironically, Musk's Neuralink will actually be dystopian without the need for conspiracy.



Having known several people who died from Covid. Fuck these people
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5020 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 15:28:40
37 minutes ago
#109137
I think it's a difficult social problem to think about. Living in a shared absolute reality - the one where our bodies abide by the laws of physics - where narrative reality pushes subsections to complete opposites but still having to cross each other in the streets, being serviced by each other, etc. I'm sury many friendships and family ties have been broken in the last few years and the social fabric is being stretched very thinly. The social contract we all abide by has more or less been ripped to shreds so who knows how it'll evolve?
Somehow we'll have to find a way to live with people who think the other side is delusional and practices doublethink like the best dystopian citizen, but it's not easy to make amends when the temperature keeps rising.
This feels like all the precursors to a societal divorce and not one that ends with: "we split up, but we're still friendly with each other"

Personally I don't like to voice the sentiment that these conspiratorial "polite in wording yet vile in principals" are a good riddance. They could have been a firefighter or an engineer or a contracter or whatever. They have their opinions. Social media let us enable to voice all our political ideologies in an echo chamber of cosmic proportions and emboldened people to let it out more publicly. Disastrous.
I like to think that these metasocial frameworks are usually the culprits (social media, religion, ..) and not the humans themselves, even if they're capable of doing heinous things. We're all programmable biobots in the end. Just try for a pragmatic: "I don't need to know your shit, you don't need to know mine, but let's agree we need to make this work" approach.
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