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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22408 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-24 16:36:43
January 24 2026 16:29 GMT
#109161
On January 24 2026 22:35 KT_Elwood wrote:
Immigration is a non-problem-problem.

It's literally bajillionaire aristocrats giving the people some 180 billion dollar blood games to make them fight a culture war, instead of a class war.
Trump sat in a bunker during the protests for him not accepting the 2020 election, he would sit in a bunker if protests wouldn't neatly be spread accross the US against ICE.


I wouldn‘t say it‘s a blanket non-problem. Depends on the scale and the cultures involved in the immigration.
Ask Crimea about it. Or Sicily.

Australia runs a harder policy than most. Doesn‘t bother many.
If Finland were asked to house a few million Russians they wouldn‘t be able to handle the risk.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7190 Posts
January 24 2026 16:34 GMT
#109162
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14187 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-24 16:40:35
January 24 2026 16:39 GMT
#109163
On January 25 2026 01:34 Luolis wrote:
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus.

I know where it happened too, A gang of those thugs were trying to hold him on the freezing ground and then one started shooting him. Its fucking disgusting and completly inexcuseable.

It wasn't just one of them a few shot him after he was being musled to the ground and after one was pistol whipping him.

Remember when the useual suspects had a freakout over people saying that death squads were going to be sent around after the election? Well its fucking happening thank you so much for this.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17831 Posts
January 24 2026 16:46 GMT
#109164
On January 25 2026 01:29 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2026 22:35 KT_Elwood wrote:
Immigration is a non-problem-problem.

It's literally bajillionaire aristocrats giving the people some 180 billion dollar blood games to make them fight a culture war, instead of a class war.
Trump sat in a bunker during the protests for him not accepting the 2020 election, he would sit in a bunker if protests wouldn't neatly be spread accross the US against ICE.


I wouldn‘t say it‘s a blanket non-problem. Depends on the scale and the cultures involved in the immigration.
Ask Crimea about it. Or Sicily.

Australia runs a harder policy than most. Doesn‘t bother many.


Immigration is a problem when it's too big (ie: the country can't absorb so many people) or when the immigrants are too far removed culturally and refuse to assimilate.

In general immigration is a good thing. Helps you fight the declining population, introduces more genetic and cultural diversity etc. but there's a limit on how much of it you can sustain and of course problems if migrants don't want to integrate into your society and instead create their own enclaves which brings with it friction.

USA in theory should welcome immigration, especially from their closest neighbors and facilitate getting both cheap and skilled labor in. They could for example build public schools and universities near the border with Mexico that they could attend. It would help get more skilled labor that would also begin integrating early. Things like that. In general there should be more ways to get into the country legally which would allow for more scrutiny and less tension. Part of the problem now is that a lot of people choose to enter illegally because they don't really have a choice, if they did I'm sure they'd prefer to enter the proper way.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17749 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-24 16:59:54
January 24 2026 16:53 GMT
#109165
I think this is the first time Trump has called Carney, "Governor". Trump threatens 100% tariffs only one week after saying Canada should make a deal with China.


"that's ok that is what he should be doing ... its a good thing for him to to that... if you can get a deal with China you should do that...", Trump a week ago.
Source: 1m30s


The analyst projects the China deal is a bargaining chip in the upcoming USMCA negotiations. I said the same thing as soon as the China deal was made. as i stated earlier... its 49,000 cars. its nothing.

Carney's Davos speech was brilliant, however, I do not think he has the talent around him to joust with a US President the way guys like Pierre Trudeau, Brian Mulroney, and Jean Chretien did in decades past. Trump's team is smarter and more experienced. In the Pierre Trudeau era the USA didn't have anything like the Trudeau//Chretien combo. Canada ran circles around them. That was then.. and this is now.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14187 Posts
January 24 2026 17:02 GMT
#109166
On January 25 2026 01:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think this is the first time Trump has called Carney, "Governor". Trump threatens 100% tariffs only one week after saying Canada should make a deal with China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Li6GtaaSr8

"that's ok that is what he should be doing ... its a good thing for him to to that... if you can get a deal with China you should do that...", Trump a week ago.
Source: 1m30s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Zj_ybrX3U

The analyst projects the China deal is a bargaining chip in the upcoming USMCA negotiations. I said the same thing as soon as the China deal was made. as i stated earlier... its 49,000 cars. its nothing.

Carney's Davos speech was brilliant, however, I do not think he has the talent around him to joust with a US President the way guys like Pierre Trudeau, Brian Mulroney, and Jean Chretien did in decades past. Trump's team is smarter and more experienced. In the Pierre Trudeau era the USA didn't have anything like the Trudeau//Chretien combo. Canada ran circles around them. That was then.. and this is now.

You said that you gave Trump an almost passing grade a while back. I don't know if you saw my post but can you confirm this was with the knowledge that his admin are kidnapping children and shipping them across state lines? The policy of unwarranted entry into houses and absolute immunity to killing people was also known to you hopefully.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3039 Posts
January 24 2026 17:06 GMT
#109167
On January 25 2026 01:34 Luolis wrote:
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus.


MAGA are 100% going to say without a hint of irony that the fact that the guy owned a gun was justification enough to shoot him.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17831 Posts
January 24 2026 17:06 GMT
#109168
On January 25 2026 01:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Carney's Davos speech was brilliant, however, I do not think he has the talent around him to joust with a US President the way guys like Pierre Trudeau, Brian Mulroney, and Jean Chretien did in decades past. Trump's team is smarter and more experienced. In the Pierre Trudeau era the USA didn't have anything like the Trudeau//Chretien combo. Canada ran circles around them. That was then.. and this is now.


Trump's team is a joke. The current USA admin have already shown to be incompetent buffoons in pretty much every area, whereas Canada's government is mostly meritocratic. What makes you think they can't run circles around US in politics again?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17749 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-24 17:37:25
January 24 2026 17:17 GMT
#109169
On January 25 2026 02:02 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2026 01:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think this is the first time Trump has called Carney, "Governor". Trump threatens 100% tariffs only one week after saying Canada should make a deal with China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Li6GtaaSr8

"that's ok that is what he should be doing ... its a good thing for him to to that... if you can get a deal with China you should do that...", Trump a week ago.
Source: 1m30s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Zj_ybrX3U

The analyst projects the China deal is a bargaining chip in the upcoming USMCA negotiations. I said the same thing as soon as the China deal was made. as i stated earlier... its 49,000 cars. its nothing.

Carney's Davos speech was brilliant, however, I do not think he has the talent around him to joust with a US President the way guys like Pierre Trudeau, Brian Mulroney, and Jean Chretien did in decades past. Trump's team is smarter and more experienced. In the Pierre Trudeau era the USA didn't have anything like the Trudeau//Chretien combo. Canada ran circles around them. That was then.. and this is now.

You said that you gave Trump an almost passing grade a while back. I don't know if you saw my post but can you confirm this was with the knowledge that his admin are kidnapping children and shipping them across state lines? The policy of unwarranted entry into houses and absolute immunity to killing people was also known to you hopefully.

immunity to killing people? which people.
kidnapping children? is that along with all this `they are separating familes` yap?
Every parent that commits a felony or an indictable offense is separated from their children.
What children are being kidnapped? are you taking CNN at face value again?

any how, Trump's team will eat Carney's team alive. I hope Carney begins assembling a smarter, better qualified, more experienced team before he shoots his mouth off again.

Overall, I'm somewhat satisfied with Trump. However, an area where he is failing is in dealing with Canada. Canada is the #1 customer of US made goods.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6394 Posts
January 24 2026 17:20 GMT
#109170
On January 25 2026 01:46 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2026 01:29 Vivax wrote:
On January 24 2026 22:35 KT_Elwood wrote:
Immigration is a non-problem-problem.

It's literally bajillionaire aristocrats giving the people some 180 billion dollar blood games to make them fight a culture war, instead of a class war.
Trump sat in a bunker during the protests for him not accepting the 2020 election, he would sit in a bunker if protests wouldn't neatly be spread accross the US against ICE.


I wouldn‘t say it‘s a blanket non-problem. Depends on the scale and the cultures involved in the immigration.
Ask Crimea about it. Or Sicily.

Australia runs a harder policy than most. Doesn‘t bother many.


Immigration is a problem when it's too big (ie: the country can't absorb so many people) or when the immigrants are too far removed culturally and refuse to assimilate.

In general immigration is a good thing. Helps you fight the declining population, introduces more genetic and cultural diversity etc. but there's a limit on how much of it you can sustain and of course problems if migrants don't want to integrate into your society and instead create their own enclaves which brings with it friction.

USA in theory should welcome immigration, especially from their closest neighbors and facilitate getting both cheap and skilled labor in. They could for example build public schools and universities near the border with Mexico that they could attend. It would help get more skilled labor that would also begin integrating early. Things like that. In general there should be more ways to get into the country legally which would allow for more scrutiny and less tension. Part of the problem now is that a lot of people choose to enter illegally because they don't really have a choice, if they did I'm sure they'd prefer to enter the proper way.

You cannot welcome cheap labor. Cheap labor net drains finances over the course of their lives. It's a maybe inevitable part of society but you can't import more of it. Cheap labor, of citizens, relies on benefits, subsidies, and welfare from the government to exist. So does cheap labor of noncitizens. There is nothing magical about being born in Chile that lets you survive with less money in America than an American needs. Immigrants who make so little they can't afford to live also need the same benefits. If they're legal immigrants, then they are entitled to it being under the law of the US. It's only when they're illegal immigrants that it becomes economically beneficial to the host country. Even Milton Friedman knew this, and Milton Friedman barely knew anything. It's that they work for cheap AND companies and the government get to pretend they don't exist. That's textbook exploitation and it does nothing to help US citizens either, which should be the priority concern of the... US.

+ Show Spoiler +
Or if you believe the US citizen cheap labor can do without said benefits also, then abolish the welfare state entirely and move to small government.


You cannot accept people because they don't have a choice. If there are so many people who want to live in the US because their own countries are unlivable, it immediately goes to your first point that you can't sustain the absorption of an entire country of people and so the answer is to use foreign policy to fix the other country instead.

Everyone has a choice. Mexico is not the greatest country in the world but it's still not a failed state yet. But the reason people can't come the legal way is the US decides how many people can come the legal way, it's up to the US, period, not to the people who want to come.

If I can't get a bank loan the "legal" way I'm not entitled to rob the bank.

In the case of the southern border, the other reason so many people cross illegally instead of claiming asylum at ports of entry is 1) the cartels that control the Mexican states adjacent to the border physically control the flow of people, and force people to pay to traffic themselves illegally across the border (at least, that was their gravy train before 2025) and also just 2) their claims are not legitimate.

The proposition of just build schools near the border... We are in the 21st century. It doesn't cost a lot to travel within the US. People basically do not live near the US border in Mexico. And the government should not be engaged in creating ghettos along the border as though people who pay tens of thousands of dollars to traffic themselves across continents are incapable of moving any further into the US to assimilate than small parts of California, Arizona, and Texas. This is a nice lunch-money sounding proposition whose goals and execution are so incoherent as to be indistinguishable from satire. Just build schools, okay.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3039 Posts
January 24 2026 17:26 GMT
#109171
On January 25 2026 02:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2026 02:02 Sermokala wrote:
On January 25 2026 01:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think this is the first time Trump has called Carney, "Governor". Trump threatens 100% tariffs only one week after saying Canada should make a deal with China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Li6GtaaSr8

"that's ok that is what he should be doing ... its a good thing for him to to that... if you can get a deal with China you should do that...", Trump a week ago.
Source: 1m30s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Zj_ybrX3U

The analyst projects the China deal is a bargaining chip in the upcoming USMCA negotiations. I said the same thing as soon as the China deal was made. as i stated earlier... its 49,000 cars. its nothing.

Carney's Davos speech was brilliant, however, I do not think he has the talent around him to joust with a US President the way guys like Pierre Trudeau, Brian Mulroney, and Jean Chretien did in decades past. Trump's team is smarter and more experienced. In the Pierre Trudeau era the USA didn't have anything like the Trudeau//Chretien combo. Canada ran circles around them. That was then.. and this is now.

You said that you gave Trump an almost passing grade a while back. I don't know if you saw my post but can you confirm this was with the knowledge that his admin are kidnapping children and shipping them across state lines? The policy of unwarranted entry into houses and absolute immunity to killing people was also known to you hopefully.

immunity to killing people? which people.
kidnapping children? is that along with all this `they are separating familes` yap?
Every parent that commits a felony or an indictable offense is separated from their children.
What children are being kidnapped? are you taking CNN at face value again?

any how, Trump's team will eat Carney's team alive. I hope Carney begins assembling a smarter, better qualified, more experienced team before he shoots his mouth off again.


Thinking anyone in the current administration is not only competent but excels at their job is the #1 way of telling me you get all your news from social media or far-right outlets.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14187 Posts
January 24 2026 17:30 GMT
#109172
On January 25 2026 02:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2026 02:02 Sermokala wrote:
On January 25 2026 01:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think this is the first time Trump has called Carney, "Governor". Trump threatens 100% tariffs only one week after saying Canada should make a deal with China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Li6GtaaSr8

"that's ok that is what he should be doing ... its a good thing for him to to that... if you can get a deal with China you should do that...", Trump a week ago.
Source: 1m30s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Zj_ybrX3U

The analyst projects the China deal is a bargaining chip in the upcoming USMCA negotiations. I said the same thing as soon as the China deal was made. as i stated earlier... its 49,000 cars. its nothing.

Carney's Davos speech was brilliant, however, I do not think he has the talent around him to joust with a US President the way guys like Pierre Trudeau, Brian Mulroney, and Jean Chretien did in decades past. Trump's team is smarter and more experienced. In the Pierre Trudeau era the USA didn't have anything like the Trudeau//Chretien combo. Canada ran circles around them. That was then.. and this is now.

You said that you gave Trump an almost passing grade a while back. I don't know if you saw my post but can you confirm this was with the knowledge that his admin are kidnapping children and shipping them across state lines? The policy of unwarranted entry into houses and absolute immunity to killing people was also known to you hopefully.

immunity to killing people? which people.
kidnapping children? is that along with all this `they are separating familes` yap?
Every parent that commits a felony or an indictable offense is separated from their children.
What children are being kidnapped? are you taking CNN at face value again?

any how, Trump's team will eat Carney's team alive. I hope Carney begins assembling a smarter, better qualified, more experienced team before he shoots his mouth off again.

Rene good, the people who have died in the el paso concentration camp, and just how they executed another person.

They are kidnapping the parents and their children. The Citizens and those that are here legally that they're shipping across state lines not being separated from their families doens't change that they're kidnapping children all the same from schools. Masked men without warrents and without identifying themselves are snaching people from the streets, putting them in vans and then asking questions. They're leaving live ammunition in their wake and throwing out tear gas grenades like candy.

Yes, the people who don't commit crimes and are here legally that are being kidnapped as well as their children.

I'm talking about the children that have been taken to el paso. The ones that are court ordered to be released but are already on flights to el paso beacuse fuck being rational.

Are you questioning these things because you don't think they are happening or because you don't think that they're bad?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17749 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-24 17:43:17
January 24 2026 17:42 GMT
#109173
On January 25 2026 02:26 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2026 02:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 25 2026 02:02 Sermokala wrote:
On January 25 2026 01:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think this is the first time Trump has called Carney, "Governor". Trump threatens 100% tariffs only one week after saying Canada should make a deal with China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Li6GtaaSr8

"that's ok that is what he should be doing ... its a good thing for him to to that... if you can get a deal with China you should do that...", Trump a week ago.
Source: 1m30s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Zj_ybrX3U

The analyst projects the China deal is a bargaining chip in the upcoming USMCA negotiations. I said the same thing as soon as the China deal was made. as i stated earlier... its 49,000 cars. its nothing.

Carney's Davos speech was brilliant, however, I do not think he has the talent around him to joust with a US President the way guys like Pierre Trudeau, Brian Mulroney, and Jean Chretien did in decades past. Trump's team is smarter and more experienced. In the Pierre Trudeau era the USA didn't have anything like the Trudeau//Chretien combo. Canada ran circles around them. That was then.. and this is now.

You said that you gave Trump an almost passing grade a while back. I don't know if you saw my post but can you confirm this was with the knowledge that his admin are kidnapping children and shipping them across state lines? The policy of unwarranted entry into houses and absolute immunity to killing people was also known to you hopefully.

immunity to killing people? which people.
kidnapping children? is that along with all this `they are separating familes` yap?
Every parent that commits a felony or an indictable offense is separated from their children.
What children are being kidnapped? are you taking CNN at face value again?
any how, Trump's team will eat Carney's team alive. I hope Carney begins assembling a smarter, better qualified, more experienced team before he shoots his mouth off again.

Thinking anyone in the current administration is not only competent but excels at their job is the #1 way of telling me you get all your news from social media or far-right outlets.

Really? I've already posted stuff from Nate The Lawyer who eviscerates the right wing all the time.
I've posted this before. Here it is again. So, NO, I do not get all my news from "social media or far-right outlets". Notice Nate never concludes whether or not Chauvin is racist. Any how, I do get great info from Nate... he is both book smart and street smart. That's a hard combo to find.

Also, I use my own brain and get my knowledge from the people around me. I prefer first hand knowledge from people I know above "social media or far-right outlets" every day. Also, I use my every day experience to make judgment calls.

Regarding Trump's Team.
Bessent is top notch.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3039 Posts
January 24 2026 17:44 GMT
#109174
"I don't get all my news from social media" -- proceeds to share a YouTube link.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9243 Posts
January 24 2026 18:01 GMT
#109175
On January 25 2026 01:34 Luolis wrote:
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus.

I wonder, were half of Americans secretly upset about their movies not painting the Gestapo as the heroes?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24253 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-24 18:15:12
January 24 2026 18:05 GMT
#109176
On January 25 2026 01:34 Luolis wrote:
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus.

Shouldn't the Minneapolis police arrest the scumbag that executed this person?

Is there a level of collaboration/complicity with Trump's Gestapo ICE thugs where people would support abolishing the police, or are they immune like they seem to be for Falling?

EDIT: I should note, like we see here with this thug in Portland, Maine threatening that a woman is now in a database as a domestic terrorist, the most visible identification for ICE thugs (if any) is typically "POLICE"


"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14187 Posts
January 24 2026 18:13 GMT
#109177
GH asking for someone to be arrested and then saying that the people who should do the arresting shouldn't exist at the same time is very on brand.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland581 Posts
January 24 2026 18:22 GMT
#109178
To me, it seems like the question of how the state government will protect their own residents against federal tyranny will require some answers soon.

However, I'm a bit confused as to why so many are so concerned about ICE now. They have not even killed ten thousand people yet. Hardly any need to pull support from the organisation and government if we go by the previous standards.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17831 Posts
January 24 2026 18:30 GMT
#109179
On January 25 2026 02:20 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2026 01:46 Manit0u wrote:
On January 25 2026 01:29 Vivax wrote:
On January 24 2026 22:35 KT_Elwood wrote:
Immigration is a non-problem-problem.

It's literally bajillionaire aristocrats giving the people some 180 billion dollar blood games to make them fight a culture war, instead of a class war.
Trump sat in a bunker during the protests for him not accepting the 2020 election, he would sit in a bunker if protests wouldn't neatly be spread accross the US against ICE.


I wouldn‘t say it‘s a blanket non-problem. Depends on the scale and the cultures involved in the immigration.
Ask Crimea about it. Or Sicily.

Australia runs a harder policy than most. Doesn‘t bother many.


Immigration is a problem when it's too big (ie: the country can't absorb so many people) or when the immigrants are too far removed culturally and refuse to assimilate.

In general immigration is a good thing. Helps you fight the declining population, introduces more genetic and cultural diversity etc. but there's a limit on how much of it you can sustain and of course problems if migrants don't want to integrate into your society and instead create their own enclaves which brings with it friction.

USA in theory should welcome immigration, especially from their closest neighbors and facilitate getting both cheap and skilled labor in. They could for example build public schools and universities near the border with Mexico that they could attend. It would help get more skilled labor that would also begin integrating early. Things like that. In general there should be more ways to get into the country legally which would allow for more scrutiny and less tension. Part of the problem now is that a lot of people choose to enter illegally because they don't really have a choice, if they did I'm sure they'd prefer to enter the proper way.

You cannot welcome cheap labor. Cheap labor net drains finances over the course of their lives. It's a maybe inevitable part of society but you can't import more of it. Cheap labor, of citizens, relies on benefits, subsidies, and welfare from the government to exist. So does cheap labor of noncitizens. There is nothing magical about being born in Chile that lets you survive with less money in America than an American needs. Immigrants who make so little they can't afford to live also need the same benefits. If they're legal immigrants, then they are entitled to it being under the law of the US. It's only when they're illegal immigrants that it becomes economically beneficial to the host country. Even Milton Friedman knew this, and Milton Friedman barely knew anything. It's that they work for cheap AND companies and the government get to pretend they don't exist. That's textbook exploitation and it does nothing to help US citizens either, which should be the priority concern of the... US.

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Or if you believe the US citizen cheap labor can do without said benefits also, then abolish the welfare state entirely and move to small government.


You cannot accept people because they don't have a choice. If there are so many people who want to live in the US because their own countries are unlivable, it immediately goes to your first point that you can't sustain the absorption of an entire country of people and so the answer is to use foreign policy to fix the other country instead.

Everyone has a choice. Mexico is not the greatest country in the world but it's still not a failed state yet. But the reason people can't come the legal way is the US decides how many people can come the legal way, it's up to the US, period, not to the people who want to come.

If I can't get a bank loan the "legal" way I'm not entitled to rob the bank.

In the case of the southern border, the other reason so many people cross illegally instead of claiming asylum at ports of entry is 1) the cartels that control the Mexican states adjacent to the border physically control the flow of people, and force people to pay to traffic themselves illegally across the border (at least, that was their gravy train before 2025) and also just 2) their claims are not legitimate.

The proposition of just build schools near the border... We are in the 21st century. It doesn't cost a lot to travel within the US. People basically do not live near the US border in Mexico. And the government should not be engaged in creating ghettos along the border as though people who pay tens of thousands of dollars to traffic themselves across continents are incapable of moving any further into the US to assimilate than small parts of California, Arizona, and Texas. This is a nice lunch-money sounding proposition whose goals and execution are so incoherent as to be indistinguishable from satire. Just build schools, okay.


What I meant by building schools is that you could help build them near the border on the Mexican side. Joint-ventures to help develop the area near the border and hopefully down the line the rest of the country would benefit both sides. You'd have more qualified immigrants coming in and less of them too because now there would be opportunities on the other side of the border.

Also, importing cheap labor isn't that big of a problem if you're doing it right. As your country develops you get less and less people domestically that event want to do those lowest paying labor jobs and that's the biggest sector occupied by immigrants - field workers, landscapers, street cleaners etc.

It's the same thing in UK for example. Complaining about people from Poland taking their jobs whereas those are mostly jobs that people in the UK don't want to do. Plumbers, electricians, dishwashers etc.

In the ideal scenario you'd have immigrants coming in to do cheap labor and then if they stay their children having a shot at something better since they're already starting in a more developed country and thus have better opportunities and cheap labor will be replaced by next wave of immigration.

I'm not saying to not fight illegal immigration, that's fine. But with the scale of the problem the US has it can't simply be done as ad hoc crackdowns and mass deportations. This will only create more problems as new rifts in the society are created and economy is affected too. It's not a problem you can solve in 5 minutes, it needs to be a well planned process that'll probably take years if not decades to get it under control.

You could for example offer amnesty to some of the illegal immigrants. Let them come in and register as legals on a case-by-case basis. Instead of treating them all like hardcore criminals by default why not offer a helping hand to those who want to do honest work? This would also make fighting the criminal element easier I think as it would create a divide between those who came with good intentions vs bad ones, as is they're all lumped in together so they stick together. If some of them didn't view US government as their enemy and instead the perception shifted to that of a potential savior it might make a difference.
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On January 25 2026 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
EDIT: I should note, like we see here with this thug in Portland, Maine threatening that a woman is now in a database as a domestic terrorist, the most visible identification for ICE thugs (if any) is typically "POLICE"

https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/2014726554622816585

There's another angle of today's shooting in Minneapolis and one of the Gestapo agents a little further back starts clapping in celebration after the shooting. These guys can't fucking wait to have permission to lynch dissenters. And that's the direction things are going, dissent = terrorism.
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