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Carney's Davos speech was brilliant, however, I do not think he has the talent around him to joust with a US President the way guys like Pierre Trudeau, Brian Mulroney, and Jean Chretien did in decades past. Trump's team is smarter and more experienced. In the Pierre Trudeau era the USA didn't have anything like the Trudeau//Chretien combo. Canada ran circles around them. That was then.. and this is now
You think the team that let Trump walk out with a whiteboard promising to tax an island comprised of nothing but birds is filled with talent?
You tend to stick with domestic issues, but what is your view of Trump and his team's handling of Russia? Because their wide-eyed credulity toward's Putin's side including his fictitious explanation for the cause of the war and almost everything about their handling of the war to me shows some combination of wild naïveté, gross incompetence, and/or maybe financially compromised interests and therefore malicious and traitorous lies.
Or Trump consistently ignoring (or being ignorant) of NATO's support for America in Afghanistan- is that also signs of Trump's team's genius handling of their allies?
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On January 25 2026 03:13 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 01:34 Luolis wrote:
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus. Shouldn't the Minneapolis police arrest the scumbag that executed this person? Is there a level of collaboration/complicity with Trump's Gestapo ICE thugs where people would support abolishing the police, or are they immune like they seem to be for Falling? EDIT: I should note, like we see here with this thug in Portland, Maine threatening that a woman is now in a database as a domestic terrorist, the most visible identification for ICE thugs (if any) is typically "POLICE" GH asking for someone to be arrested and then saying that the people who should do the arresting shouldn't exist at the same time is very on brand.
I'm actually pointing out that if someone can murder someone in broad daylight, on camera, in front of witnesses, and walk away without being arrested, then perhaps the police aren't what people that oppose abolishing them tend to think.
On January 25 2026 03:22 Legan wrote:
To me, it seems like the question of how the state government will protect their own residents against federal tyranny will require some answers soon.
However, I'm a bit confused as to why so many are so concerned about ICE now. They have not even killed ten thousand people yet. Hardly any need to pull support from the organisation and government if we go by the previous standards.
Also this.
If the police aren't going to do it, as they clearly didn't here or for Renee Good, who is? I recommend This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed by Charles E. Cobb to get some context for what I'm talking about. Also, if they aren't doing this basic job, why are they getting piles of money shoved at them? [1]
We found that despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, Democrat-run cities employ far more police officers and spend far more money on policing per capita than Republican-run cities. In fact, police forces in Dem cities are 75% larger than police forces in GOP cities. And Democrats spend about 38% more per person on policing than Republicans do. On average, Democrat- and Republican-run cities all saw an increase in police funding in 2022, with Democrats actually increasing police budgets by slightly more.
The data make clear—Republicans may talk about funding the police, but they trail badly as compared to Democrats.
[1] https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-city-defund-police-problem
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United States14123 Posts
On January 25 2026 03:53 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 03:13 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 01:34 Luolis wrote:
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus. Shouldn't the Minneapolis police arrest the scumbag that executed this person? Is there a level of collaboration/complicity with Trump's Gestapo ICE thugs where people would support abolishing the police, or are they immune like they seem to be for Falling? EDIT: I should note, like we see here with this thug in Portland, Maine threatening that a woman is now in a database as a domestic terrorist, the most visible identification for ICE thugs (if any) is typically "POLICE" https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/2014726554622816585 GH asking for someone to be arrested and then saying that the people who should do the arresting shouldn't exist at the same time is very on brand. I'm actually pointing out that if someone can murder someone in broad daylight, on camera, in front of witnesses, and walk away without being arrested, then perhaps the police aren't what people that oppose abolishing them tend to think. Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 03:22 Legan wrote:
To me, it seems like the question of how the state government will protect their own residents against federal tyranny will require some answers soon.
However, I'm a bit confused as to why so many are so concerned about ICE now. They have not even killed ten thousand people yet. Hardly any need to pull support from the organisation and government if we go by the previous standards. Also this. If the police aren't going to do it, as they clearly didn't here or for Renee Good, who is? I recommend This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed by Charles E. Cobb to get some context for what I'm talking about. Also, if they aren't doing this basic job, why are they getting piles of money shoved at them? [1] Show nested quote +We found that despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, Democrat-run cities employ far more police officers and spend far more money on policing per capita than Republican-run cities. In fact, police forces in Dem cities are 75% larger than police forces in GOP cities. And Democrats spend about 38% more per person on policing than Republicans do. On average, Democrat- and Republican-run cities all saw an increase in police funding in 2022, with Democrats actually increasing police budgets by slightly more.
The data make clear—Republicans may talk about funding the police, but they trail badly as compared to Democrats.
[1] https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-city-defund-police-problem
You're asking why the cops don't do what you don't want them to exist to do in the first place. From what you have proposed this is the ideal outcome. You are asking why people oppose changing something you are not asking to change.
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On January 25 2026 04:00 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 03:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 03:13 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 01:34 Luolis wrote:
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus. Shouldn't the Minneapolis police arrest the scumbag that executed this person? Is there a level of collaboration/complicity with Trump's Gestapo ICE thugs where people would support abolishing the police, or are they immune like they seem to be for Falling? EDIT: I should note, like we see here with this thug in Portland, Maine threatening that a woman is now in a database as a domestic terrorist, the most visible identification for ICE thugs (if any) is typically "POLICE" https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/2014726554622816585 GH asking for someone to be arrested and then saying that the people who should do the arresting shouldn't exist at the same time is very on brand. I'm actually pointing out that if someone can murder someone in broad daylight, on camera, in front of witnesses, and walk away without being arrested, then perhaps the police aren't what people that oppose abolishing them tend to think. On January 25 2026 03:22 Legan wrote:
To me, it seems like the question of how the state government will protect their own residents against federal tyranny will require some answers soon.
However, I'm a bit confused as to why so many are so concerned about ICE now. They have not even killed ten thousand people yet. Hardly any need to pull support from the organisation and government if we go by the previous standards. Also this. If the police aren't going to do it, as they clearly didn't here or for Renee Good, who is? I recommend This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed by Charles E. Cobb to get some context for what I'm talking about. Also, if they aren't doing this basic job, why are they getting piles of money shoved at them? [1] We found that despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, Democrat-run cities employ far more police officers and spend far more money on policing per capita than Republican-run cities. In fact, police forces in Dem cities are 75% larger than police forces in GOP cities. And Democrats spend about 38% more per person on policing than Republicans do. On average, Democrat- and Republican-run cities all saw an increase in police funding in 2022, with Democrats actually increasing police budgets by slightly more.
The data make clear—Republicans may talk about funding the police, but they trail badly as compared to Democrats.
[1] https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-city-defund-police-problem You're asking why the cops don't do what you don't want them to exist to do in the first place. From what you have proposed this is the ideal outcome. You are asking why people oppose changing something you are not asking to change.
I know you're being intentionally obtuse and shitposting, but if you want to pretend that's the case, then you also gotta get the people of Minneapolis their ~$230,000,000/yr back
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United States14123 Posts
On January 25 2026 04:06 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 04:00 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 03:13 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 01:34 Luolis wrote:
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus. Shouldn't the Minneapolis police arrest the scumbag that executed this person? Is there a level of collaboration/complicity with Trump's Gestapo ICE thugs where people would support abolishing the police, or are they immune like they seem to be for Falling? EDIT: I should note, like we see here with this thug in Portland, Maine threatening that a woman is now in a database as a domestic terrorist, the most visible identification for ICE thugs (if any) is typically "POLICE" https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/2014726554622816585 GH asking for someone to be arrested and then saying that the people who should do the arresting shouldn't exist at the same time is very on brand. I'm actually pointing out that if someone can murder someone in broad daylight, on camera, in front of witnesses, and walk away without being arrested, then perhaps the police aren't what people that oppose abolishing them tend to think. On January 25 2026 03:22 Legan wrote:
To me, it seems like the question of how the state government will protect their own residents against federal tyranny will require some answers soon.
However, I'm a bit confused as to why so many are so concerned about ICE now. They have not even killed ten thousand people yet. Hardly any need to pull support from the organisation and government if we go by the previous standards. Also this. If the police aren't going to do it, as they clearly didn't here or for Renee Good, who is? I recommend This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed by Charles E. Cobb to get some context for what I'm talking about. Also, if they aren't doing this basic job, why are they getting piles of money shoved at them? [1] We found that despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, Democrat-run cities employ far more police officers and spend far more money on policing per capita than Republican-run cities. In fact, police forces in Dem cities are 75% larger than police forces in GOP cities. And Democrats spend about 38% more per person on policing than Republicans do. On average, Democrat- and Republican-run cities all saw an increase in police funding in 2022, with Democrats actually increasing police budgets by slightly more.
The data make clear—Republicans may talk about funding the police, but they trail badly as compared to Democrats.
[1] https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-city-defund-police-problem You're asking why the cops don't do what you don't want them to exist to do in the first place. From what you have proposed this is the ideal outcome. You are asking why people oppose changing something you are not asking to change. I know you're being intentionally obtuse and shitposting, but if you want to pretend that's the case, then you also gotta get the people of Minneapolis their ~$250,000,000/yr back
I get that you're trying to dodge the knot you've found yourself in here but I'm not letting you out.
You want the police to be rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly? That level of deployment, training, and equipment would cost a lot more than what police departments are spending now.
Its also not what people expect from their police. Useually people are arrested after the fact, one of the problems with policing is that people only see them at their worst moments and on their worst days.
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Police failing to intervene even in this situation should be a pretty damn good argument that they should not exist. Their actions should really highlight what their role in society generally actually is. Order in society seems to be a concept that is very lopsided.
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United States14123 Posts
On January 25 2026 04:21 Legan wrote:
Police failing to intervene even in this situation should be a pretty damn good argument that they should not exist. Their actions should really highlight what their role in society generally actually is. Order in society seems to be a concept that is very lopsided.
Its a gang of armed and armored thugs that just commited a crime, even before their federal protections in what universe do you think the police can sucsessfully intervene here?
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On January 25 2026 04:11 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 04:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 04:00 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 03:13 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 01:34 Luolis wrote:
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus. Shouldn't the Minneapolis police arrest the scumbag that executed this person? Is there a level of collaboration/complicity with Trump's Gestapo ICE thugs where people would support abolishing the police, or are they immune like they seem to be for Falling? EDIT: I should note, like we see here with this thug in Portland, Maine threatening that a woman is now in a database as a domestic terrorist, the most visible identification for ICE thugs (if any) is typically "POLICE" https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/2014726554622816585 GH asking for someone to be arrested and then saying that the people who should do the arresting shouldn't exist at the same time is very on brand. I'm actually pointing out that if someone can murder someone in broad daylight, on camera, in front of witnesses, and walk away without being arrested, then perhaps the police aren't what people that oppose abolishing them tend to think. On January 25 2026 03:22 Legan wrote:
To me, it seems like the question of how the state government will protect their own residents against federal tyranny will require some answers soon.
However, I'm a bit confused as to why so many are so concerned about ICE now. They have not even killed ten thousand people yet. Hardly any need to pull support from the organisation and government if we go by the previous standards. Also this. If the police aren't going to do it, as they clearly didn't here or for Renee Good, who is? I recommend This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed by Charles E. Cobb to get some context for what I'm talking about. Also, if they aren't doing this basic job, why are they getting piles of money shoved at them? [1] We found that despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, Democrat-run cities employ far more police officers and spend far more money on policing per capita than Republican-run cities. In fact, police forces in Dem cities are 75% larger than police forces in GOP cities. And Democrats spend about 38% more per person on policing than Republicans do. On average, Democrat- and Republican-run cities all saw an increase in police funding in 2022, with Democrats actually increasing police budgets by slightly more.
The data make clear—Republicans may talk about funding the police, but they trail badly as compared to Democrats.
[1] https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-city-defund-police-problem You're asking why the cops don't do what you don't want them to exist to do in the first place. From what you have proposed this is the ideal outcome. You are asking why people oppose changing something you are not asking to change. I know you're being intentionally obtuse and shitposting, but if you want to pretend that's the case, then you also gotta get the people of Minneapolis their ~$250,000,000/yr back + Show Spoiler +I get that you're trying to dodge the knot you've found yourself in here but I'm not letting you out.
You want the police to be rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly? That level of deployment, training, and equipment would cost a lot more than what police departments are spending now.
Its also not what people expect from their police. Useually people are arrested after the fact, one of the problems with policing is that people only see them at their worst moments and on their worst days.
How's that boot taste?
On January 25 2026 04:21 Legan wrote:
Police failing to intervene even in this situation should be a pretty damn good argument that they should not exist. Their actions should really highlight what their role in society generally actually is. Order in society seems to be a concept that is very lopsided. Give em a break
It's only been a couple weeks, obviously it would require "rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly" to arrest Renee Good's killers.
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United States14123 Posts
On January 25 2026 04:25 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 04:11 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 04:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 04:00 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 03:13 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 01:34 Luolis wrote:
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus. Shouldn't the Minneapolis police arrest the scumbag that executed this person? Is there a level of collaboration/complicity with Trump's Gestapo ICE thugs where people would support abolishing the police, or are they immune like they seem to be for Falling? EDIT: I should note, like we see here with this thug in Portland, Maine threatening that a woman is now in a database as a domestic terrorist, the most visible identification for ICE thugs (if any) is typically "POLICE" https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/2014726554622816585 GH asking for someone to be arrested and then saying that the people who should do the arresting shouldn't exist at the same time is very on brand. I'm actually pointing out that if someone can murder someone in broad daylight, on camera, in front of witnesses, and walk away without being arrested, then perhaps the police aren't what people that oppose abolishing them tend to think. On January 25 2026 03:22 Legan wrote:
To me, it seems like the question of how the state government will protect their own residents against federal tyranny will require some answers soon.
However, I'm a bit confused as to why so many are so concerned about ICE now. They have not even killed ten thousand people yet. Hardly any need to pull support from the organisation and government if we go by the previous standards. Also this. If the police aren't going to do it, as they clearly didn't here or for Renee Good, who is? I recommend This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed by Charles E. Cobb to get some context for what I'm talking about. Also, if they aren't doing this basic job, why are they getting piles of money shoved at them? [1] We found that despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, Democrat-run cities employ far more police officers and spend far more money on policing per capita than Republican-run cities. In fact, police forces in Dem cities are 75% larger than police forces in GOP cities. And Democrats spend about 38% more per person on policing than Republicans do. On average, Democrat- and Republican-run cities all saw an increase in police funding in 2022, with Democrats actually increasing police budgets by slightly more.
The data make clear—Republicans may talk about funding the police, but they trail badly as compared to Democrats.
[1] https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-city-defund-police-problem You're asking why the cops don't do what you don't want them to exist to do in the first place. From what you have proposed this is the ideal outcome. You are asking why people oppose changing something you are not asking to change. I know you're being intentionally obtuse and shitposting, but if you want to pretend that's the case, then you also gotta get the people of Minneapolis their ~$250,000,000/yr back + Show Spoiler +I get that you're trying to dodge the knot you've found yourself in here but I'm not letting you out.
You want the police to be rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly? That level of deployment, training, and equipment would cost a lot more than what police departments are spending now.
Its also not what people expect from their police. Useually people are arrested after the fact, one of the problems with policing is that people only see them at their worst moments and on their worst days. How's that boot taste? Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 04:21 Legan wrote:
Police failing to intervene even in this situation should be a pretty damn good argument that they should not exist. Their actions should really highlight what their role in society generally actually is. Order in society seems to be a concept that is very lopsided. Give em a break It's only been a couple weeks, obviously it would require "rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly" to arrest Renee Good's killers.
I'm not advocating for the police to have this capability you're the one who thinks that they have this capability.
Yes, the federal officers placed the guy who killed Renee good in the whipple building and traveled him around with armed gangs of fellow armed and armored agents. Are you saying that they should be able to arrest him in a public place or they should be able to go into a fortified building and take him into custody?
And again this is the current, status quo, situation. They are doing what you want, to not be able to confront and arrest armed people like this.
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On January 25 2026 04:28 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 04:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 04:11 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 04:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 04:00 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 03:13 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 01:34 Luolis wrote:
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus. Shouldn't the Minneapolis police arrest the scumbag that executed this person? Is there a level of collaboration/complicity with Trump's Gestapo ICE thugs where people would support abolishing the police, or are they immune like they seem to be for Falling? EDIT: I should note, like we see here with this thug in Portland, Maine threatening that a woman is now in a database as a domestic terrorist, the most visible identification for ICE thugs (if any) is typically "POLICE" https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/2014726554622816585 GH asking for someone to be arrested and then saying that the people who should do the arresting shouldn't exist at the same time is very on brand. I'm actually pointing out that if someone can murder someone in broad daylight, on camera, in front of witnesses, and walk away without being arrested, then perhaps the police aren't what people that oppose abolishing them tend to think. On January 25 2026 03:22 Legan wrote:
To me, it seems like the question of how the state government will protect their own residents against federal tyranny will require some answers soon.
However, I'm a bit confused as to why so many are so concerned about ICE now. They have not even killed ten thousand people yet. Hardly any need to pull support from the organisation and government if we go by the previous standards. Also this. If the police aren't going to do it, as they clearly didn't here or for Renee Good, who is? I recommend This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed by Charles E. Cobb to get some context for what I'm talking about. Also, if they aren't doing this basic job, why are they getting piles of money shoved at them? [1] We found that despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, Democrat-run cities employ far more police officers and spend far more money on policing per capita than Republican-run cities. In fact, police forces in Dem cities are 75% larger than police forces in GOP cities. And Democrats spend about 38% more per person on policing than Republicans do. On average, Democrat- and Republican-run cities all saw an increase in police funding in 2022, with Democrats actually increasing police budgets by slightly more.
The data make clear—Republicans may talk about funding the police, but they trail badly as compared to Democrats.
[1] https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-city-defund-police-problem You're asking why the cops don't do what you don't want them to exist to do in the first place. From what you have proposed this is the ideal outcome. You are asking why people oppose changing something you are not asking to change. I know you're being intentionally obtuse and shitposting, but if you want to pretend that's the case, then you also gotta get the people of Minneapolis their ~$250,000,000/yr back + Show Spoiler +I get that you're trying to dodge the knot you've found yourself in here but I'm not letting you out.
You want the police to be rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly? That level of deployment, training, and equipment would cost a lot more than what police departments are spending now.
Its also not what people expect from their police. Useually people are arrested after the fact, one of the problems with policing is that people only see them at their worst moments and on their worst days. How's that boot taste? On January 25 2026 04:21 Legan wrote:
Police failing to intervene even in this situation should be a pretty damn good argument that they should not exist. Their actions should really highlight what their role in society generally actually is. Order in society seems to be a concept that is very lopsided. Give em a break It's only been a couple weeks, obviously it would require "rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly" to arrest Renee Good's killers. + Show Spoiler +I'm not advocating for the police to have this capability you're the one who thinks that they have this capability. Yes, the federal officers placed the guy who killed Renee good in the whipple building and traveled him around with armed gangs of fellow armed and armored agents. Are you saying that they should be able to arrest him in a public place or they should be able to go into a fortified building and take him into custody? + Show Spoiler +And again this is the current, status quo, situation. They are doing what you want, to not be able to confront and arrest armed people like this.
Sounds like your governor immediately needs the National Guard to protect his residents from these armed and armored gangs murdering people and cheering the murder on without accountability then?
One critical question is, if they get called in, which way will they point their faces/guns?
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United States14123 Posts
On January 25 2026 04:36 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 04:28 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 04:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 04:11 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 04:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 04:00 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 03:13 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 01:34 Luolis wrote:
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus. Shouldn't the Minneapolis police arrest the scumbag that executed this person? Is there a level of collaboration/complicity with Trump's Gestapo ICE thugs where people would support abolishing the police, or are they immune like they seem to be for Falling? EDIT: I should note, like we see here with this thug in Portland, Maine threatening that a woman is now in a database as a domestic terrorist, the most visible identification for ICE thugs (if any) is typically "POLICE" https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/2014726554622816585 GH asking for someone to be arrested and then saying that the people who should do the arresting shouldn't exist at the same time is very on brand. I'm actually pointing out that if someone can murder someone in broad daylight, on camera, in front of witnesses, and walk away without being arrested, then perhaps the police aren't what people that oppose abolishing them tend to think. On January 25 2026 03:22 Legan wrote:
To me, it seems like the question of how the state government will protect their own residents against federal tyranny will require some answers soon.
However, I'm a bit confused as to why so many are so concerned about ICE now. They have not even killed ten thousand people yet. Hardly any need to pull support from the organisation and government if we go by the previous standards. Also this. If the police aren't going to do it, as they clearly didn't here or for Renee Good, who is? I recommend This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed by Charles E. Cobb to get some context for what I'm talking about. Also, if they aren't doing this basic job, why are they getting piles of money shoved at them? [1] We found that despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, Democrat-run cities employ far more police officers and spend far more money on policing per capita than Republican-run cities. In fact, police forces in Dem cities are 75% larger than police forces in GOP cities. And Democrats spend about 38% more per person on policing than Republicans do. On average, Democrat- and Republican-run cities all saw an increase in police funding in 2022, with Democrats actually increasing police budgets by slightly more.
The data make clear—Republicans may talk about funding the police, but they trail badly as compared to Democrats.
[1] https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-city-defund-police-problem You're asking why the cops don't do what you don't want them to exist to do in the first place. From what you have proposed this is the ideal outcome. You are asking why people oppose changing something you are not asking to change. I know you're being intentionally obtuse and shitposting, but if you want to pretend that's the case, then you also gotta get the people of Minneapolis their ~$250,000,000/yr back + Show Spoiler +I get that you're trying to dodge the knot you've found yourself in here but I'm not letting you out.
You want the police to be rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly? That level of deployment, training, and equipment would cost a lot more than what police departments are spending now.
Its also not what people expect from their police. Useually people are arrested after the fact, one of the problems with policing is that people only see them at their worst moments and on their worst days. How's that boot taste? On January 25 2026 04:21 Legan wrote:
Police failing to intervene even in this situation should be a pretty damn good argument that they should not exist. Their actions should really highlight what their role in society generally actually is. Order in society seems to be a concept that is very lopsided. Give em a break It's only been a couple weeks, obviously it would require "rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly" to arrest Renee Good's killers. + Show Spoiler +I'm not advocating for the police to have this capability you're the one who thinks that they have this capability. Yes, the federal officers placed the guy who killed Renee good in the whipple building and traveled him around with armed gangs of fellow armed and armored agents. Are you saying that they should be able to arrest him in a public place or they should be able to go into a fortified building and take him into custody? + Show Spoiler +And again this is the current, status quo, situation. They are doing what you want, to not be able to confront and arrest armed people like this. Sounds like your governor needs the National Guard to protect his residents from these armed and armored gangs murdering people and cheering the murder on without accountability immediately then? One critical question is, if they get called in, which way will they point their faces/guns?
I know you're being intentionally obtuse and shitposting but are you genuinely ignorant about what the word "National" means in the word "national guard" or do you just think everyone else is that dumb?
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On January 25 2026 04:28 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 04:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 04:11 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 04:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 04:00 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 03:13 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 01:34 Luolis wrote:
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus. Shouldn't the Minneapolis police arrest the scumbag that executed this person? Is there a level of collaboration/complicity with Trump's Gestapo ICE thugs where people would support abolishing the police, or are they immune like they seem to be for Falling? EDIT: I should note, like we see here with this thug in Portland, Maine threatening that a woman is now in a database as a domestic terrorist, the most visible identification for ICE thugs (if any) is typically "POLICE" https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/2014726554622816585 GH asking for someone to be arrested and then saying that the people who should do the arresting shouldn't exist at the same time is very on brand. I'm actually pointing out that if someone can murder someone in broad daylight, on camera, in front of witnesses, and walk away without being arrested, then perhaps the police aren't what people that oppose abolishing them tend to think. On January 25 2026 03:22 Legan wrote:
To me, it seems like the question of how the state government will protect their own residents against federal tyranny will require some answers soon.
However, I'm a bit confused as to why so many are so concerned about ICE now. They have not even killed ten thousand people yet. Hardly any need to pull support from the organisation and government if we go by the previous standards. Also this. If the police aren't going to do it, as they clearly didn't here or for Renee Good, who is? I recommend This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed by Charles E. Cobb to get some context for what I'm talking about. Also, if they aren't doing this basic job, why are they getting piles of money shoved at them? [1] We found that despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, Democrat-run cities employ far more police officers and spend far more money on policing per capita than Republican-run cities. In fact, police forces in Dem cities are 75% larger than police forces in GOP cities. And Democrats spend about 38% more per person on policing than Republicans do. On average, Democrat- and Republican-run cities all saw an increase in police funding in 2022, with Democrats actually increasing police budgets by slightly more.
The data make clear—Republicans may talk about funding the police, but they trail badly as compared to Democrats.
[1] https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-city-defund-police-problem You're asking why the cops don't do what you don't want them to exist to do in the first place. From what you have proposed this is the ideal outcome. You are asking why people oppose changing something you are not asking to change. I know you're being intentionally obtuse and shitposting, but if you want to pretend that's the case, then you also gotta get the people of Minneapolis their ~$250,000,000/yr back + Show Spoiler +I get that you're trying to dodge the knot you've found yourself in here but I'm not letting you out.
You want the police to be rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly? That level of deployment, training, and equipment would cost a lot more than what police departments are spending now.
Its also not what people expect from their police. Useually people are arrested after the fact, one of the problems with policing is that people only see them at their worst moments and on their worst days. How's that boot taste? On January 25 2026 04:21 Legan wrote:
Police failing to intervene even in this situation should be a pretty damn good argument that they should not exist. Their actions should really highlight what their role in society generally actually is. Order in society seems to be a concept that is very lopsided. Give em a break It's only been a couple weeks, obviously it would require "rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly" to arrest Renee Good's killers. I'm not advocating for the police to have this capability you're the one who thinks that they have this capability. Yes, the federal officers placed the guy who killed Renee good in the whipple building and traveled him around with armed gangs of fellow armed and armored agents. Are you saying that they should be able to arrest him in a public place or they should be able to go into a fortified building and take him into custody? And again this is the current, status quo, situation. They are doing what you want, to not be able to confront and arrest armed people like this.
Pre-emptively surrendering is terrible idea. Going there without weapons drawn and asking them to hand him over and being denied and leaving is infinitely better than doing nothing. It's important to document this, it's important to have those "armed gangs of men" on camera refusing access to a murderer (rather than just having the implication that they would protect him), and it's important to have any indication that the police isn't siding with them.
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On January 25 2026 04:44 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 04:28 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 04:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 04:11 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 04:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 04:00 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 03:13 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 01:34 Luolis wrote:
ICE agents executed another person in Minnesota. Not posting the video because its graphic but jesus. Shouldn't the Minneapolis police arrest the scumbag that executed this person? Is there a level of collaboration/complicity with Trump's Gestapo ICE thugs where people would support abolishing the police, or are they immune like they seem to be for Falling? EDIT: I should note, like we see here with this thug in Portland, Maine threatening that a woman is now in a database as a domestic terrorist, the most visible identification for ICE thugs (if any) is typically "POLICE" https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/2014726554622816585 GH asking for someone to be arrested and then saying that the people who should do the arresting shouldn't exist at the same time is very on brand. I'm actually pointing out that if someone can murder someone in broad daylight, on camera, in front of witnesses, and walk away without being arrested, then perhaps the police aren't what people that oppose abolishing them tend to think. On January 25 2026 03:22 Legan wrote:
To me, it seems like the question of how the state government will protect their own residents against federal tyranny will require some answers soon.
However, I'm a bit confused as to why so many are so concerned about ICE now. They have not even killed ten thousand people yet. Hardly any need to pull support from the organisation and government if we go by the previous standards. Also this. If the police aren't going to do it, as they clearly didn't here or for Renee Good, who is? I recommend This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed by Charles E. Cobb to get some context for what I'm talking about. Also, if they aren't doing this basic job, why are they getting piles of money shoved at them? [1] We found that despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, Democrat-run cities employ far more police officers and spend far more money on policing per capita than Republican-run cities. In fact, police forces in Dem cities are 75% larger than police forces in GOP cities. And Democrats spend about 38% more per person on policing than Republicans do. On average, Democrat- and Republican-run cities all saw an increase in police funding in 2022, with Democrats actually increasing police budgets by slightly more.
The data make clear—Republicans may talk about funding the police, but they trail badly as compared to Democrats.
[1] https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-city-defund-police-problem You're asking why the cops don't do what you don't want them to exist to do in the first place. From what you have proposed this is the ideal outcome. You are asking why people oppose changing something you are not asking to change. I know you're being intentionally obtuse and shitposting, but if you want to pretend that's the case, then you also gotta get the people of Minneapolis their ~$250,000,000/yr back + Show Spoiler +I get that you're trying to dodge the knot you've found yourself in here but I'm not letting you out.
You want the police to be rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly? That level of deployment, training, and equipment would cost a lot more than what police departments are spending now.
Its also not what people expect from their police. Useually people are arrested after the fact, one of the problems with policing is that people only see them at their worst moments and on their worst days. How's that boot taste? On January 25 2026 04:21 Legan wrote:
Police failing to intervene even in this situation should be a pretty damn good argument that they should not exist. Their actions should really highlight what their role in society generally actually is. Order in society seems to be a concept that is very lopsided. Give em a break It's only been a couple weeks, obviously it would require "rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly" to arrest Renee Good's killers. I'm not advocating for the police to have this capability you're the one who thinks that they have this capability. Yes, the federal officers placed the guy who killed Renee good in the whipple building and traveled him around with armed gangs of fellow armed and armored agents. Are you saying that they should be able to arrest him in a public place or they should be able to go into a fortified building and take him into custody? And again this is the current, status quo, situation. They are doing what you want, to not be able to confront and arrest armed people like this. Pre-emptively surrendering is terrible idea. Going there without weapons drawn and asking them to hand him over and being denied and leaving is infinitely better than doing nothing. It's important to document this, it's important to have those "armed gangs of men" on camera refusing access to a murderer (rather than just having the implication that they would protect him), and it's important to have any indication that the police isn't siding with them.
I don't see how this is. Bet case you end up with an armed standoff in the streets that you're trusting ICE agents who back down. The medium case is you see demonstrated publically just how little the police are capable of doing as of now. The worst case you get a shootout that escalates in the middle of a city where people live.
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I was busy today but did 5+ agents wrestle a guy to the ground, take his gun out of his holster and *then* shot him?
I've watched 3 different angles and it certainly seems that way. That's a bit extreme even for you guys.
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On January 25 2026 04:51 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 04:44 Dan HH wrote:On January 25 2026 04:28 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 04:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 04:11 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 04:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 04:00 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 03:13 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:[quote] Shouldn't the Minneapolis police arrest the scumbag that executed this person? Is there a level of collaboration/complicity with Trump's Gestapo ICE thugs where people would support abolishing the police, or are they immune like they seem to be for Falling? EDIT: I should note, like we see here with this thug in Portland, Maine threatening that a woman is now in a database as a domestic terrorist, the most visible identification for ICE thugs (if any) is typically "POLICE" https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/2014726554622816585 GH asking for someone to be arrested and then saying that the people who should do the arresting shouldn't exist at the same time is very on brand. I'm actually pointing out that if someone can murder someone in broad daylight, on camera, in front of witnesses, and walk away without being arrested, then perhaps the police aren't what people that oppose abolishing them tend to think. On January 25 2026 03:22 Legan wrote:
To me, it seems like the question of how the state government will protect their own residents against federal tyranny will require some answers soon.
However, I'm a bit confused as to why so many are so concerned about ICE now. They have not even killed ten thousand people yet. Hardly any need to pull support from the organisation and government if we go by the previous standards. Also this. If the police aren't going to do it, as they clearly didn't here or for Renee Good, who is? I recommend This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed by Charles E. Cobb to get some context for what I'm talking about. Also, if they aren't doing this basic job, why are they getting piles of money shoved at them? [1] We found that despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, Democrat-run cities employ far more police officers and spend far more money on policing per capita than Republican-run cities. In fact, police forces in Dem cities are 75% larger than police forces in GOP cities. And Democrats spend about 38% more per person on policing than Republicans do. On average, Democrat- and Republican-run cities all saw an increase in police funding in 2022, with Democrats actually increasing police budgets by slightly more.
The data make clear—Republicans may talk about funding the police, but they trail badly as compared to Democrats.
[1] https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-city-defund-police-problem You're asking why the cops don't do what you don't want them to exist to do in the first place. From what you have proposed this is the ideal outcome. You are asking why people oppose changing something you are not asking to change. I know you're being intentionally obtuse and shitposting, but if you want to pretend that's the case, then you also gotta get the people of Minneapolis their ~$250,000,000/yr back + Show Spoiler +I get that you're trying to dodge the knot you've found yourself in here but I'm not letting you out.
You want the police to be rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly? That level of deployment, training, and equipment would cost a lot more than what police departments are spending now.
Its also not what people expect from their police. Useually people are arrested after the fact, one of the problems with policing is that people only see them at their worst moments and on their worst days. How's that boot taste? On January 25 2026 04:21 Legan wrote:
Police failing to intervene even in this situation should be a pretty damn good argument that they should not exist. Their actions should really highlight what their role in society generally actually is. Order in society seems to be a concept that is very lopsided. Give em a break It's only been a couple weeks, obviously it would require "rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly" to arrest Renee Good's killers. I'm not advocating for the police to have this capability you're the one who thinks that they have this capability. Yes, the federal officers placed the guy who killed Renee good in the whipple building and traveled him around with armed gangs of fellow armed and armored agents. Are you saying that they should be able to arrest him in a public place or they should be able to go into a fortified building and take him into custody? And again this is the current, status quo, situation. They are doing what you want, to not be able to confront and arrest armed people like this. Pre-emptively surrendering is terrible idea. Going there without weapons drawn and asking them to hand him over and being denied and leaving is infinitely better than doing nothing. It's important to document this, it's important to have those "armed gangs of men" on camera refusing access to a murderer (rather than just having the implication that they would protect him), and it's important to have any indication that the police isn't siding with them. I don't see how this is. Bet case you end up with an armed standoff in the streets that you're trusting ICE agents who back down. The medium case is you see demonstrated publically just how little the police are capable of doing as of now. The worst case you get a shootout that escalates in the middle of a city where people live.
Why would an armed standoff be the best case? If, as you say, the police are unequipped to deal with such a situation they don't have to touch their weapons or escalate. I'm not asking for them to martyr themselves, merely to go through the motions of doing the job and give up at the point where they actually have to give up (being told "no" by a supposedly superior force) instead of giving up in advance and having nothing documented.
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On January 25 2026 05:05 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
I was busy today but did 5+ agents wrestle a guy to the ground, take his gun out of his holster and *then* shot him?
I've watched 3 different angles and it certainly seems that way. That's a bit extreme even for you guys.
Normal people think it's extreme. MAGA think it's a righteous cost to pay to secure the existence of their people and a future for white children.
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On January 25 2026 05:13 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 04:51 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 04:44 Dan HH wrote:On January 25 2026 04:28 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 04:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 04:11 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 04:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 04:00 Sermokala wrote:On January 25 2026 03:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 25 2026 03:13 Sermokala wrote:
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GH asking for someone to be arrested and then saying that the people who should do the arresting shouldn't exist at the same time is very on brand. I'm actually pointing out that if someone can murder someone in broad daylight, on camera, in front of witnesses, and walk away without being arrested, then perhaps the police aren't what people that oppose abolishing them tend to think. On January 25 2026 03:22 Legan wrote:
To me, it seems like the question of how the state government will protect their own residents against federal tyranny will require some answers soon.
However, I'm a bit confused as to why so many are so concerned about ICE now. They have not even killed ten thousand people yet. Hardly any need to pull support from the organisation and government if we go by the previous standards. Also this. If the police aren't going to do it, as they clearly didn't here or for Renee Good, who is? I recommend This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed by Charles E. Cobb to get some context for what I'm talking about. Also, if they aren't doing this basic job, why are they getting piles of money shoved at them? [1] We found that despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, Democrat-run cities employ far more police officers and spend far more money on policing per capita than Republican-run cities. In fact, police forces in Dem cities are 75% larger than police forces in GOP cities. And Democrats spend about 38% more per person on policing than Republicans do. On average, Democrat- and Republican-run cities all saw an increase in police funding in 2022, with Democrats actually increasing police budgets by slightly more.
The data make clear—Republicans may talk about funding the police, but they trail badly as compared to Democrats.
[1] https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-city-defund-police-problem You're asking why the cops don't do what you don't want them to exist to do in the first place. From what you have proposed this is the ideal outcome. You are asking why people oppose changing something you are not asking to change. I know you're being intentionally obtuse and shitposting, but if you want to pretend that's the case, then you also gotta get the people of Minneapolis their ~$250,000,000/yr back + Show Spoiler +I get that you're trying to dodge the knot you've found yourself in here but I'm not letting you out.
You want the police to be rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly? That level of deployment, training, and equipment would cost a lot more than what police departments are spending now.
Its also not what people expect from their police. Useually people are arrested after the fact, one of the problems with policing is that people only see them at their worst moments and on their worst days. How's that boot taste? On January 25 2026 04:21 Legan wrote:
Police failing to intervene even in this situation should be a pretty damn good argument that they should not exist. Their actions should really highlight what their role in society generally actually is. Order in society seems to be a concept that is very lopsided. Give em a break It's only been a couple weeks, obviously it would require "rolling armed gangs of men capable of finding people at the point of a crime and taking armed people into custody in public spaces instantly" to arrest Renee Good's killers. I'm not advocating for the police to have this capability you're the one who thinks that they have this capability. Yes, the federal officers placed the guy who killed Renee good in the whipple building and traveled him around with armed gangs of fellow armed and armored agents. Are you saying that they should be able to arrest him in a public place or they should be able to go into a fortified building and take him into custody? And again this is the current, status quo, situation. They are doing what you want, to not be able to confront and arrest armed people like this. Pre-emptively surrendering is terrible idea. Going there without weapons drawn and asking them to hand him over and being denied and leaving is infinitely better than doing nothing. It's important to document this, it's important to have those "armed gangs of men" on camera refusing access to a murderer (rather than just having the implication that they would protect him), and it's important to have any indication that the police isn't siding with them. I don't see how this is. Bet case you end up with an armed standoff in the streets that you're trusting ICE agents who back down. The medium case is you see demonstrated publically just how little the police are capable of doing as of now. The worst case you get a shootout that escalates in the middle of a city where people live. Why would an armed standoff be the best case? If, as you say, the police are unequipped to deal with such a situation they don't have to touch their weapons or escalate. I'm not asking for them to martyr themselves, merely to go through the motions of doing the job and give up at the point where they actually have to give up (being told "no" by a supposedly superior force) instead of giving up in advance and having nothing documented.
An armed standoff would be the best case beacuse both parties are armed. Them being told no is still a standoff with either ICE backing down or the local organization backing down. The situation you're describing I agree is the best case and I would also classify as an armed standoff is what I'm saying.
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On January 25 2026 05:05 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
I was busy today but did 5+ agents wrestle a guy to the ground, take his gun out of his holster and *then* shot him?
I've watched 3 different angles and it certainly seems that way. That's a bit extreme even for you guys.
According to fox news comment sections, he was an insurrectionist that pulled his weapon on ICE agents and was appropriately subdued.
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On January 25 2026 05:57 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2026 05:05 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
I was busy today but did 5+ agents wrestle a guy to the ground, take his gun out of his holster and *then* shot him?
I've watched 3 different angles and it certainly seems that way. That's a bit extreme even for you guys. According to fox news comment sections, he was an insurrectionist that pulled his weapon on ICE agents and was appropriately subdued.
They're just parroting the narrative that the DHS went with. We're worried about AI alterations making video/photo evidence unreliable in the future, but here we are with an event filmed from 7 angles in broad daylight and ~40% of the population receive a firmware update from the administration with what their lying eyes were supposed to see and immediately adopt it.
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Well dhs posted a picture of a handgun on a car seat so that should be all the evidence they need 👍
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