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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
March 28 2018 22:52 GMT
#1061
On March 29 2018 07:48 On_Slaught wrote:
VA Secretary is out. Trumps doctor (the one who lied about Trump's weight and health) is taking over the post.


You're kidding right.... His Doctor? Doesn't this have to be confirmed?
Something witty
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 28 2018 22:53 GMT
#1062
So what is the turnover rate for this Admin now? Maybe 60% perhaps, or getting there?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-28 23:01:46
March 28 2018 22:54 GMT
#1063
On March 29 2018 07:52 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2018 07:48 On_Slaught wrote:
VA Secretary is out. Trumps doctor (the one who lied about Trump's weight and health) is taking over the post.


You're kidding right.... His Doctor? Doesn't this have to be confirmed?


To be clear, not the hippy civilian dude. Rather it's the military Presidential Doctor guy. Still, the guy lied to the American public once already. Who knows what else he will lie about.

And yes I believe he has to be confirmed, but since he is a Rear Admiral doctor, that won't be hard.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
March 28 2018 22:58 GMT
#1064
On March 29 2018 07:54 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2018 07:52 IyMoon wrote:
On March 29 2018 07:48 On_Slaught wrote:
VA Secretary is out. Trumps doctor (the one who lied about Trump's weight and health) is taking over the post.


You're kidding right.... His Doctor? Doesn't this have to be confirmed?


To be clear, not the hippy civilian dude. Rather it's the military Presidential Doctor guy. Still, the guy lied to the American public once already. Who knows what else he will lie about.

And yes I believe he has to be confirmed, but since he is a Rear Admiral doctor, that won't be hard.


I found out it was not the crazy guy after I posted

But still, wouldn't an administrator be better in this roll?
Something witty
A3th3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States319 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-28 23:02:22
March 28 2018 22:58 GMT
#1065
The Stormy Daniels case is Monica Lewinsky & Bill Clinton all over again. That said, even if Trump is a moron or doesn't exactly fit conservative christian values, all of that happened in 2006 & is irrelevant to what is going on today except in terms of trying to get some sort of "hush money" payout to keep quiet. The Bill Clinton / Monica Lewinsky sex scandal happened behind closed doors but did occur in an office setting while he was in office, whereas this Stormy Daniels thing is simply a story from several years ago. I guess I can't claim that he has the moral high ground & his wife might divorce him for that but he didn't technically break any laws. Nobody's trying to claim Trump is a saint - definitely he is a "trashy tabloid" kind of guy, that seems pretty clear. Anyways, liberals don't like anything he does in any case, & conservatives care that he passes laws that they like, such as the budget bill that just was signed off on recently and this trade deal with South Korea that was just done. For better or for worse, he is only slightly worse than the average American in this day & age, as sad as that might be to think.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/stormy-daniels-lawyer-files-motion-depose-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-n860656
stale trite schlub
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
March 28 2018 23:00 GMT
#1066
On March 29 2018 07:58 A3th3r wrote:
The Stormy Daniels case is Monica Lewinsky & Bill Clinton all over again. That said, even if Trump is a moron or doesn't exactly fit conservative christian values, all of that happened in 2006 & is irrelevant to what is going on today except in terms of trying to get some sort of "hush money" payout to keep quiet. The Bill Clinton / Monica Lewinsky sex scandal happened behind closed doors but did occur in an office setting while he was in office, whereas this Stormy Daniels thing is simply a story from several years ago. I guess I can't claim that he has the moral high ground & his wife might divorce him for that but he didn't technically break any laws. Nobody's trying to claim Trump is a saint - definitely he is a "trashy tabloid" kind of guy, that seems pretty clear.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/stormy-daniels-lawyer-files-motion-depose-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-n860656



Bill didn't break any laws by getting a BJ in the oval either. Lying to congress is what got Bill into trouble. If it comes out that they DID have the affair after all of the statements of him denying it that will look REALLY bad
Something witty
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8263 Posts
March 28 2018 23:03 GMT
#1067
Holy shit another one.. Is this how Trump runs his businesses as well? By firing everyone in turn? How has he not consistently gone bankrupt-oh wait nvm.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-28 23:10:35
March 28 2018 23:07 GMT
#1068
Well... How many of his actual businesses manage to stay in business?

I've said it before but his brand meaning his overall companies, sooner or later it will be discovered his overall his business strategy was laundering money for Russia to avoid sanctions.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
A3th3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States319 Posts
March 28 2018 23:09 GMT
#1069
On March 29 2018 08:03 Excludos wrote:
Holy shit another one.. Is this how Trump runs his businesses as well? By firing everyone in turn? How has he not consistently gone bankrupt-oh wait nvm.


Trump is by no means a class act, but the president is in some way a reflection of what's going on in the people here in 2018, so, ya, I guess there are a lot of trashy businesspeople that exist in America right now so what do you do. The VP, Pence, is a class act, so that's something. Trump definitely "fails his way to success," just like they tell you to do in the book "How to Win Friends & Influence People."
stale trite schlub
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 28 2018 23:13 GMT
#1070
I cannot tell if you are serious about Mike “I caused an HIV outbreak as governor” Pence. Because the guy is a stuffed shirt who has some really rotten world views.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-28 23:32:42
March 28 2018 23:20 GMT
#1071
On March 29 2018 07:58 A3th3r wrote:
The Stormy Daniels case is Monica Lewinsky & Bill Clinton all over again. That said, even if Trump is a moron or doesn't exactly fit conservative christian values, all of that happened in 2006 & is irrelevant to what is going on today except in terms of trying to get some sort of "hush money" payout to keep quiet. The Bill Clinton / Monica Lewinsky sex scandal happened behind closed doors but did occur in an office setting while he was in office, whereas this Stormy Daniels thing is simply a story from several years ago. I guess I can't claim that he has the moral high ground & his wife might divorce him for that but he didn't technically break any laws. Nobody's trying to claim Trump is a saint - definitely he is a "trashy tabloid" kind of guy, that seems pretty clear. Anyways, liberals don't like anything he does in any case, & conservatives care that he passes laws that they like, such as the budget bill that just was signed off on recently and this trade deal with South Korea that was just done. For better or for worse, he is only slightly worse than the average American in this day & age, as sad as that might be to think.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/stormy-daniels-lawyer-files-motion-depose-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-n860656


slightly worse than the average american is TERRIBLE for a president. presidents should be well above average. and as a president, he's terrible and has done a terrible job.
also, i'm doubtful of him only being "slightly" worse than the average american; but it could be.

there are indeed considerable parallels to the lewinsky matter; as well as some rather significant differences.
I don't care much about the stormy daniels thing personally; and if he violated the law it's probably one of those barely enforced laws about campaign finance.
mostly it's just an example showing the hypocrisy of some so-called "values" voters who clearly don't care about the morality of those they vote for and merely use it as pretense.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
March 29 2018 01:08 GMT
#1072
On March 29 2018 08:20 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2018 07:58 A3th3r wrote:
The Stormy Daniels case is Monica Lewinsky & Bill Clinton all over again. That said, even if Trump is a moron or doesn't exactly fit conservative christian values, all of that happened in 2006 & is irrelevant to what is going on today except in terms of trying to get some sort of "hush money" payout to keep quiet. The Bill Clinton / Monica Lewinsky sex scandal happened behind closed doors but did occur in an office setting while he was in office, whereas this Stormy Daniels thing is simply a story from several years ago. I guess I can't claim that he has the moral high ground & his wife might divorce him for that but he didn't technically break any laws. Nobody's trying to claim Trump is a saint - definitely he is a "trashy tabloid" kind of guy, that seems pretty clear. Anyways, liberals don't like anything he does in any case, & conservatives care that he passes laws that they like, such as the budget bill that just was signed off on recently and this trade deal with South Korea that was just done. For better or for worse, he is only slightly worse than the average American in this day & age, as sad as that might be to think.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/stormy-daniels-lawyer-files-motion-depose-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-n860656


slightly worse than the average american is TERRIBLE for a president. presidents should be well above average. and as a president, he's terrible and has done a terrible job.
also, i'm doubtful of him only being "slightly" worse than the average american; but it could be.

there are indeed considerable parallels to the lewinsky matter; as well as some rather significant differences.
I don't care much about the stormy daniels thing personally; and if he violated the law it's probably one of those barely enforced laws about campaign finance.
mostly it's just an example showing the hypocrisy of some so-called "values" voters who clearly don't care about the morality of those they vote for and merely use it as pretense.


Trump should by all rights do massive damage to the Conservative cause. He's represented everything terrible in Conservativism and brought out all the worst in everyone, and hidden anything positive. But we'll see if Americans have a long memory. if this shitshow doesn't get apathetic people voting just to bring the nightmare to an end... nothing will ever get them motivated.

It says a lot that values voters simply don't care about Trump's behaviour. In him it's all positive.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-29 02:09:42
March 29 2018 02:03 GMT
#1073
On March 29 2018 10:08 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2018 08:20 zlefin wrote:
On March 29 2018 07:58 A3th3r wrote:
The Stormy Daniels case is Monica Lewinsky & Bill Clinton all over again. That said, even if Trump is a moron or doesn't exactly fit conservative christian values, all of that happened in 2006 & is irrelevant to what is going on today except in terms of trying to get some sort of "hush money" payout to keep quiet. The Bill Clinton / Monica Lewinsky sex scandal happened behind closed doors but did occur in an office setting while he was in office, whereas this Stormy Daniels thing is simply a story from several years ago. I guess I can't claim that he has the moral high ground & his wife might divorce him for that but he didn't technically break any laws. Nobody's trying to claim Trump is a saint - definitely he is a "trashy tabloid" kind of guy, that seems pretty clear. Anyways, liberals don't like anything he does in any case, & conservatives care that he passes laws that they like, such as the budget bill that just was signed off on recently and this trade deal with South Korea that was just done. For better or for worse, he is only slightly worse than the average American in this day & age, as sad as that might be to think.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/stormy-daniels-lawyer-files-motion-depose-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-n860656


slightly worse than the average american is TERRIBLE for a president. presidents should be well above average. and as a president, he's terrible and has done a terrible job.
also, i'm doubtful of him only being "slightly" worse than the average american; but it could be.

there are indeed considerable parallels to the lewinsky matter; as well as some rather significant differences.
I don't care much about the stormy daniels thing personally; and if he violated the law it's probably one of those barely enforced laws about campaign finance.
mostly it's just an example showing the hypocrisy of some so-called "values" voters who clearly don't care about the morality of those they vote for and merely use it as pretense.


Trump should by all rights do massive damage to the Conservative cause. He's represented everything terrible in Conservativism and brought out all the worst in everyone, and hidden anything positive. But we'll see if Americans have a long memory. if this shitshow doesn't get apathetic people voting just to bring the nightmare to an end... nothing will ever get them motivated.

It says a lot that values voters simply don't care about Trump's behaviour. In him it's all positive.


The interesting question is whether it's plausible that Trump would have refused an offer of five Russian prostitutes. We know that he did get the offer. The argument that Putin doesn't have anything on Trump rests on the assumption that Trump turned down an offer of five Russian prostitutes.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
March 29 2018 02:06 GMT
#1074
On March 29 2018 11:03 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2018 10:08 iamthedave wrote:
On March 29 2018 08:20 zlefin wrote:
On March 29 2018 07:58 A3th3r wrote:
The Stormy Daniels case is Monica Lewinsky & Bill Clinton all over again. That said, even if Trump is a moron or doesn't exactly fit conservative christian values, all of that happened in 2006 & is irrelevant to what is going on today except in terms of trying to get some sort of "hush money" payout to keep quiet. The Bill Clinton / Monica Lewinsky sex scandal happened behind closed doors but did occur in an office setting while he was in office, whereas this Stormy Daniels thing is simply a story from several years ago. I guess I can't claim that he has the moral high ground & his wife might divorce him for that but he didn't technically break any laws. Nobody's trying to claim Trump is a saint - definitely he is a "trashy tabloid" kind of guy, that seems pretty clear. Anyways, liberals don't like anything he does in any case, & conservatives care that he passes laws that they like, such as the budget bill that just was signed off on recently and this trade deal with South Korea that was just done. For better or for worse, he is only slightly worse than the average American in this day & age, as sad as that might be to think.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/stormy-daniels-lawyer-files-motion-depose-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-n860656


slightly worse than the average american is TERRIBLE for a president. presidents should be well above average. and as a president, he's terrible and has done a terrible job.
also, i'm doubtful of him only being "slightly" worse than the average american; but it could be.

there are indeed considerable parallels to the lewinsky matter; as well as some rather significant differences.
I don't care much about the stormy daniels thing personally; and if he violated the law it's probably one of those barely enforced laws about campaign finance.
mostly it's just an example showing the hypocrisy of some so-called "values" voters who clearly don't care about the morality of those they vote for and merely use it as pretense.


Trump should by all rights do massive damage to the Conservative cause. He's represented everything terrible in Conservativism and brought out all the worst in everyone, and hidden anything positive. But we'll see if Americans have a long memory. if this shitshow doesn't get apathetic people voting just to bring the nightmare to an end... nothing will ever get them motivated.

It says a lot that values voters simply don't care about Trump's behaviour. In him it's all positive.


The interesting question is whether it's plausible that Trump would have refused an offer of five Russian prostitutes.

Did they ask for payment upfront?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 29 2018 02:09 GMT
#1075
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46112 Posts
March 29 2018 02:22 GMT
#1076
On March 29 2018 08:09 A3th3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2018 08:03 Excludos wrote:
Holy shit another one.. Is this how Trump runs his businesses as well? By firing everyone in turn? How has he not consistently gone bankrupt-oh wait nvm.


Trump is by no means a class act, but the president is in some way a reflection of what's going on in the people here in 2018, so, ya, I guess there are a lot of trashy businesspeople that exist in America right now so what do you do. The VP, Pence, is a class act, so that's something. Trump definitely "fails his way to success," just like they tell you to do in the book "How to Win Friends & Influence People."


Super homophobic, caused an HIV outbreak, and John Oliver did a Last Week Tonight special recently on him (spoilered below), which completely dismantles any notion that Mike Pence is a good guy. In some ways, he's worse than Trump.

+ Show Spoiler +
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-29 03:21:50
March 29 2018 03:20 GMT
#1077
A rare moment that Congress does something of actual use.

Rural medical clinics that are struggling to respond to an epidemic of a fatal lung disease plaguing coal miners received a 40 percent boost in federal funding with the passage of the omnibus spending bill last week.

As NPR first reported in 2016, hundreds of coal miners have been diagnosed with Progressive Massive Fibrosis in the last five years. This advanced stage of the disease known as "black lung" is incurable and often leads to gruesome deaths in which miners gradually lose lung function and suffocate.

The funding for 28 black lung clinics in 15 coal mining states will jump $2.7 million to $10 million, which is the first time in at least 20 years that Congress and the White House have agreed to provide the maximum funding authorized by federal law in 1977.

A bipartisan group of congressmen sought the additional funding and cited the sudden epidemic of the disease in seeking White House approval.

"More funding for clinics is important. They need more resources to cope with the increase in PMF cases," said Rep. H. Morgan Griffith, R-Va. "Coal miners are proud of the work they do, but should they develop black lung, they also want to be taken care of, and I agree."

Griffith worked with Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va., the ranking member of the House Committee on Education and the Workforce. Scott said the additional funds "will assist these clinics to better serve disabled coal miners with black lung disease."

Scott also wants the clinics to work with the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health to "identify and track cases of progressive massive fibrosis which is afflicting miners at rates not seen in the past 40 years."

Last year, Scott, Griffith and other members of Congress wrote President Trump, noting that "the clinics have faced a substantial increase in demands from coal miners for screening, diagnosis, and pulmonary rehabilitation."

"Some clinics are so underfunded that they are operating with obsolete and inefficient diagnostic equipment, which is needlessly increasing miners' radiation dose when they receive a chest X-ray," the lawmakers added.

NPR's investigation also identified the largest cluster of PMF cases ever documented, a finding confirmed last month by NIOSH. That cluster was reported by three black lung clinics operated by Stone Mountain Health Services in southwestern Virginia.

The additional funding "will definitely give us the tools that we need to screen, diagnose and treat the coal miners," said Ron Carson, who directs the Stone Mountain black lung program.

"We have seen a lot more miners coming into our clinics and instead of having to schedule them two and three months out, we can actually have that miner seen that particular day," Carson added.

Since 2013, the Stone Mountain clinics have diagnosed more than 600 cases of advanced black lung, which is six times the number of cases federal researchers had reported nationwide for the same period. The miners streaming into Stone Mountain worked in the coalfields of southwestern Virginia, eastern Kentucky and southern West Virginia.

NIOSH studies and NPR reporting show that the epidemic is striking younger miners, including some in their 30s and 40s, who are also suffering rapid progression to more severe stages of disease.

NPR's ongoing survey of black lung clinics, independent medical clinics and law firms specializing in black lung benefits claims has identified more than 2,200 cases of PMF or complicated black lung since 2010.

The pace of disease continues with some clinics reporting a doubling of cases in the past year.

Carson is also active in the National Coalition of Black Lung and Respiratory Disease Clinics and said he hopes the additional funding will be used to help clinics convert to digital X-rays and medical records. That will improve diagnoses, he said, and make it possible to track the extent of disease more quickly and accurately.

In a statement, the coalition said the growing number of miners seeking diagnosis at clinics "often have more advanced and complex illnesses."

Last year, the clinics served more than 13,000 working, laid-off and retired coal miners. Funding is channeled through the Health Resources and Services Administration, an agency of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Carson hopes the additional funds will help the clinics reach out to miners who may not know they have black lung.

Federal and independent researchers say the spike in advanced disease is due to longer working hours for miners and increased exposure to silica dust, which results when mining machines cut sandstone. Silica is far more toxic than coal dust alone. Large underground coal seams have generally played out in Appalachia. The thinner seams that remain are embedded in sandstone.


Source
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
March 29 2018 09:20 GMT
#1078
So this Stephon Clark killing... is it as egregious as it sounds? It sounds like the cops just executed a random black guy in his grandmother's backyard. Or is there another element I'm not seeing in reports?
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24049 Posts
March 29 2018 11:16 GMT
#1079
On March 29 2018 18:20 iamthedave wrote:
So this Stephon Clark killing... is it as egregious as it sounds? It sounds like the cops just executed a random black guy in his grandmother's backyard. Or is there another element I'm not seeing in reports?


It's as egregious as it sounds. Even if you believe everything the police say, it's still obscenely bad.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1946 Posts
March 29 2018 12:40 GMT
#1080
On March 29 2018 20:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2018 18:20 iamthedave wrote:
So this Stephon Clark killing... is it as egregious as it sounds? It sounds like the cops just executed a random black guy in his grandmother's backyard. Or is there another element I'm not seeing in reports?


It's as egregious as it sounds. Even if you believe everything the police say, it's still obscenely bad.


In before the officers go free because 'Murica.

Another reason why there is a significant downside to having police officers carry guns at all times. Why is anyone getting away from shooting someone for "suspicion og being armed"? Not even soldiers abroad are protected like that.
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