EPTEven if you tax billionaires then they get subsidized through their corporations on the other end.
Everything‘s just fucked up at this point lol.
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Vivax
22166 Posts
Even if you tax billionaires then they get subsidized through their corporations on the other end. Everything‘s just fucked up at this point lol. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17650 Posts
On December 11 2025 09:16 Acrofales wrote: A flat wealth tax sounds so much easier than a tax on unrealised gains. Tally up everything you own at whatever it's valued at on December 31 and pay the tax man 1% of anything over 500k. Can make it progressive if you really like and tax anything over 5m at 2%. In particular, it doesn't matter where that wealth is located. If you happen to have a few blocks of gold in a vault in Switzerland, that doesn't matter. You pay tax where you live. Similarly having a crypto wallet with a few bitcoins gets taxed too. Or Japanese stocks. Or real estate in Iceland. You can obviously lie about your assets and your wealth. If the tax man catches you, get a walloping fine. The problem with taxing rich people is that they have all the tools to avoid being taxed. Most of them don't "own" anything, it's in someone else's name etc. They don't hold cash and if they want to buy something they simply take a loan against some of their stocks or something, buy it and let interest from the stocks pay off the loan over time. If they somehow catch the eye of a taxman they can also just hire poor art student to do some painting or sculpture for $2k, have their friend art critic value it at $2m, put it up for auction and give all the proceeds to charity for a hefty tax cut. Taxes are for poor people, billionaires at this point are beyond the concept of money in general. If you want to have a healthy economy you want to break up big corps who are siphoning all the wealth out of the economy instead of providing value and make it so that the majority of your country's wealth is moving among small and medium businesses because that's what's actually making the economy grow and what you can reasonably tax. | ||
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Vivax
22166 Posts
Apparently Trump wants Austria, Italy, Hungary and Poland to leave the EU for some reason… To better cooperate with them allegedly. Make it make sense.. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9275 Posts
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Vivax
22166 Posts
On December 11 2025 15:16 Sent. wrote: Maybe he's just a really big fan of Austria-Hungary and wants to bring that state back. Methinks he just wants those to become the paragons of the right wing with special benefits or something. Because the others don‘t really fit within that worldview. With the exception of Poland they‘re also the more Russophile of the bunch. Is that purely a Trump thing or is that an US thing ? All these news are annoying and I gotta insure those crude oil barrels in my garage now. I guess those 20 m yachts were beginning to run dry. | ||
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Hat Trick of Today
179 Posts
If those countries take the bait, the US simultaneously weakens the bargaining power of the EU and each of the countries, with said countries maybe taking up the offer with open arms because they’re so corrupt and lost in the sauce. Even if they lose any trade deals because of the loss of bargaining power, the politicians don’t care because they’re profiting off this and the support base doesn’t care because MAGA all the way. You can see the laziness and desire to copy the US all around. Japan’s Sanseito is so lazy that they basically copy Trump’s rhetoric 1:1 to a point that they basically don’t bother massaging US specific talking points to be more relevant to Japan. Similarly, the Liberal National Party in Australia ran their last election on Trump and Republican talking points, even hiring Republican political strategists, only for them to get smashed because their platform consisted of a half baked energy plan and directly trying to fellate Trump. We’re talking about wearing MAGA caps during the campaign and telling the Australian public that they will give Trump daddy all of Australia’s natural resources for military aid against China. Which obviously hasn’t resulted in good results as they are currently in the position where they are bleeding support to the single issue anti-immigration party that is run by people who actually hang out at Mar-a-largo. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11739 Posts
On December 11 2025 15:13 Vivax wrote: The oil tankers outside of the US are free, you can just take them. Apparently Trump wants Austria, Italy, Hungary and Poland to leave the EU for some reason… To better cooperate with them allegedly. Make it make sense.. I am a big fan of Hungary leaving the EU. Orbans pseudo-dictatorship is fucking annoying and blocks so much important stuff. Lets see if Orban wants to do that and "cooperate" with Trump. My guess is no. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1119 Posts
Hungary is an obvious ally for Trump and it's no wonder it's on the list, Orban hosted CPAC, he's their champion of anti-immigration and anti-woke rethoric in Europe, too bad that it looks like he's finally getting cooked these upcoming elections after he couldn't control his and the gluttony of his cronies enough not to drive the economy of the country into the ground. Orban thought he's gonna get Argentinian Milei treatment and a $20 b bailout from Trump, he's going to learn how little of a fuck they actually give about him soon. Trumpies also forgot Slovakia who has a similar mafia moron in charge and it's weird that they didn't try to include Czech republic who just voted a "Trumpy" corrupt billionaire as their prime minister, just sloppy shit. Italy he likes Meloni but wondrously she has been proving quite reasonable since she came in, both on the count of being pro-EU and pro-Ukraine. Austrian politics I don't pay that much attention to but I'm pretty sure they are always somewhere on the center to quite right spectrum so they hope they can make some hay there. Overall, these dumb attempts at overt manipulation and interference into European politics when done stupidly like this, announcing in their NSS that they intend to fuck EU up and interfere in elections is basically a recipe for a Canadian scenario, as Ukrainans like to say, thank god they are stupid. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45259 Posts
"US threatens new ICC sanctions unless court pledges not to prosecute Trump ... The ICC is the world's permanent war crimes tribunal with 125 member states, including the entire EU but excluding major powers China, Russia and the United States, among others. The court's mandate allows it to prosecute individuals for alleged crimes committed by them or nationals under their command on the territory of a member state, including sitting heads of state. ... ICC judges issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former Israeli defense chief Yoav Gallant, and Hamas leader Ibrahim al-Masri last November for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity during the Gaza conflict ... the court could target Trump and his top officials in 2029, when the Republican president's term ends. ... President Donald Trump's administration wants the International Criminal Court to amend its founding document to ensure it does not investigate the Republican president and his top officials, a Trump administration official said, threatening new U.S. sanctions on the court if it did not." https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-threatens-new-icc-sanctions-unless-court-pledges-not-prosecute-trump-2025-12-10/ | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22083 Posts
On December 12 2025 01:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Such a dumb thing to even make a fuss about when the US has never recognised the ICC and would never extradite a former President.Donald Trump is concerned about being held accountable on the global stage after his presidency ends, by the International Criminal Court. "US threatens new ICC sanctions unless court pledges not to prosecute Trump ... The ICC is the world's permanent war crimes tribunal with 125 member states, including the entire EU but excluding major powers China, Russia and the United States, among others. The court's mandate allows it to prosecute individuals for alleged crimes committed by them or nationals under their command on the territory of a member state, including sitting heads of state. ... ICC judges issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former Israeli defense chief Yoav Gallant, and Hamas leader Ibrahim al-Masri last November for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity during the Gaza conflict ... the court could target Trump and his top officials in 2029, when the Republican president's term ends. ... President Donald Trump's administration wants the International Criminal Court to amend its founding document to ensure it does not investigate the Republican president and his top officials, a Trump administration official said, threatening new U.S. sanctions on the court if it did not." https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-threatens-new-icc-sanctions-unless-court-pledges-not-prosecute-trump-2025-12-10/ | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2075 Posts
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Legan
Finland556 Posts
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Billyboy
1435 Posts
On December 12 2025 01:36 Gorsameth wrote: Such a dumb thing to even make a fuss about when the US has never recognised the ICC and would never extradite a former President. With Trumps age and decline, I'm not sure what he is worried about. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5752 Posts
Something, something, Trump warned Europe about dependence on Russia... ;-) I wonder if any of our Republican clowns will bother to explain that. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1119 Posts
https://www.reuters.com/world/icc-chief-says-us-sanctions-wont-change-courts-handling-cases-2025-12-01/ And it's a crying shame that EU and other countries where these judges and prosecutors come from offer no reaction to this, just a meek silence. The judge is French, but now, with these sanctions, he can't pay with a card for anything, because that is governed by Visa and Mastercard, his hotel booking was canceled by Expedia, he can't log in to Whatsapp or any other US based messenger, he can't use SWIFT to transfer money. Basically, this judge received harsher sanctions then Russia, and the French and EU politicians didn't even bat an eye, they are all too afraid of Trump. They are too afraid to even attempt to devise a strategy to divest from all this shit so we can have some sort of soverign services for banking because even a signal about this might anger Trump. It's fucking insane. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2075 Posts
On December 12 2025 02:02 maybenexttime wrote: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/trump-plans-envision-major-us-investment-russia-restoring-oil-flows-europe-wsj-2025-12-11/ Something, something, Trump warned Europe about dependence on Russia... ;-) I wonder if any of our Republican clowns will bother to explain that. "So what if we destroyed our most crucial alliances to help out a country with a smaller economy than Italy, at least the woke fonts are gone now" | ||
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Yurie
12019 Posts
On December 11 2025 12:16 Manit0u wrote: The problem with taxing rich people is that they have all the tools to avoid being taxed. Most of them don't "own" anything, it's in someone else's name etc. They don't hold cash and if they want to buy something they simply take a loan against some of their stocks or something, buy it and let interest from the stocks pay off the loan over time. If they somehow catch the eye of a taxman they can also just hire poor art student to do some painting or sculpture for $2k, have their friend art critic value it at $2m, put it up for auction and give all the proceeds to charity for a hefty tax cut. Taxes are for poor people, billionaires at this point are beyond the concept of money in general. If you want to have a healthy economy you want to break up big corps who are siphoning all the wealth out of the economy instead of providing value and make it so that the majority of your country's wealth is moving among small and medium businesses because that's what's actually making the economy grow and what you can reasonably tax. So remove all tax cuts/breaks. Then add in a few for buying solar, wind, water power or other mostly CO2 neutral energy production methods. Loans are against assets you own. If banks still lend money to you when assets are in other people's names, then start taxing large loans the same as large assets, making it more expensive to take loans. Just the threat would be enough for banks to stop doing it. | ||
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oBlade
United States5866 Posts
On December 12 2025 02:24 Jankisa wrote: Well, Trump regime really likes fucking with the ICC: https://www.reuters.com/world/icc-chief-says-us-sanctions-wont-change-courts-handling-cases-2025-12-01/ And it's a crying shame that EU and other countries where these judges and prosecutors come from offer no reaction to this, just a meek silence. The judge is French, but now, with these sanctions, he can't pay with a card for anything, because that is governed by Visa and Mastercard, his hotel booking was canceled by Expedia, he can't log in to Whatsapp or any other US based messenger, he can't use SWIFT to transfer money. Basically, this judge received harsher sanctions then Russia, and the French and EU politicians didn't even bat an eye, they are all too afraid of Trump. They are too afraid to even attempt to devise a strategy to divest from all this shit so we can have some sort of soverign services for banking because even a signal about this might anger Trump. It's fucking insane. Absolutely horrible to see people being debanked in this way. Access to financial services needs stronger protections in a world where you're essentially a non-person without them. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18208 Posts
On December 12 2025 01:52 Billyboy wrote: With Trumps age and decline, I'm not sure what he is worried about. Charles Taylor is only two years younger than him and is rotting in ICC jail. Slobodan Milosevic was in considerably worse health when he was on trial in the Yugoslavia tribunal (one of the predecessors of the ICC) and died in jail. His age has little to do with anything. But you'd think he'd see it as a badge of honor. His biggest pals Netanyahu and Putin are both being investigated by the ICC. | ||
KwarK
United States43545 Posts
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