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On May 28 2025 11:25 Razyda wrote: "if you’re an actual Nazi you’re fair game for a punching if you’re doing that in public" - well, well, well, wouldnt you say that drawing swastikas and committing acts of violence is something you can rather reliably identify nazis by? I must say that i find it intricately amusing that left draw more swastikas in few months than right in decade.
What the fuck are you talking about with your left wing swastikas?
Ah, this is the part where we insist that we can't tell the difference between antifascists branding fascist sympathizers with the symbol and the symbol being used in its original form. It's kind of like in that movie where Brad Pitt loves nazis so much that he gives the guy a Nazi tattoo with his knife. But no, it's still a right wing swastika, they're branding the guy as being right wing.
Oh yeah, so what you saying is that left draws swastikas and commits acts of violence for good reasons. Can you please find me a nazi who says that they were drawing swastikas and committing violence for bad reasons?
I am not gonna contest you point though, that Democrats buying Teslas are fascists sympathizers.
You can't possibly be serious here. If Person A thought Person B was pro-Nazi, and Person A vandalized Person B's property with a swastika to call out Person B's pro-Nazi beliefs, that doesn't mean that Person A is being pro-Nazi. Not to mention the fact that the Nazi party is/was a far-right party with conservative, authoritarian views.
I would love to hear from oBlade regarding the latest pardon of the reality stars who just got a pardon for defrauding community banks, he's (in his twisted mind) found explanations for everything Trump's been doing so far as good, how is this a good move?
Also, I might have missed it, but what is the official oBlade line on Trump and Melania coin and the dinner for top holders as well as Trumps getting approximately 2 billion richer since stepping in to the White House?
On May 28 2025 18:02 Jankisa wrote: I would love to hear from oBlade regarding the latest pardon of the reality stars who just got a pardon for defrauding community banks, he's (in his twisted mind) found explanations for everything Trump's been doing so far as good, how is this a good move?
Also, I might have missed it, but what is the official oBlade line on Trump and Melania coin and the dinner for top holders as well as Trumps getting approximately 2 billion richer since stepping in to the White House?
The guy was just being industrious, in true American spirit! The French don't even have a word for entrepreneur. You're just a jealous European.
oBlade would use more words and tell you about the time 5000 years ago, when the Rus founded Ukraine..
But in short:
It was all political. People rooting for trump were the only ones targeted by the Biden Administration.
Stealing and Grifting they were, they were guilty as charged. They stole from kids, from the IRS, from America!
But they wouldn't even have been investigated, if it wasn't for the Biden administration that targeted them especially, because they supported Trump.
A fact that they had to prove again, by buying overpriced shares of DJT, TrumpCoin, or a 1 Million dollar Dinner benefitting a TrumpOrg (not a REP PAC) at Mar-A-Lago to hand in their appeal for a "general pardon" to the man himself.
To make it plain:
You can steal 11 Million from your employees paychecks by claiming to pay taxes for them, then don't pay them..you just keep the money.
If found out. claim guilty as charged and bankruptcy at the same time, while hiding 8 Millions in cash in your 3 Million dollar Cali mansion, and make up sob stories about having to sell the engangement ring of your wife to put your daughter through college
...and then have your mum buy a 1 Million dollar pardon from Trump.
That will not only get you out of the Prison sentence, the fee for tax fraud, but also frees you off the obligation to pay back the outstanding taxes.
Trump made it a sport to free millionaire Asskissers a few days before they would have to report to prion.
The social contract is broken, man are now unequal before the law.
If you want to punish a convicted MAGA Millionaire for a crime, you have to "get them" before they can bribe Trump for a Pardon.
On May 28 2025 18:02 Jankisa wrote: I would love to hear from oBlade regarding the latest pardon of the reality stars who just got a pardon for defrauding community banks, he's (in his twisted mind) found explanations for everything Trump's been doing so far as good, how is this a good move?
If you are ever lurking the thread waiting with bated breath for my take on something, and yet perplexedly haven't heard from me, assuming I know about the thing in question, the likely explanations are that I'm living life, or that it doesn't rise to the level of politics in my mind - i.e., I don't care about it, think it doesn't matter, or have nothing to say about it.
On May 28 2025 18:02 Jankisa wrote: Also, I might have missed it, but what is the official oBlade line on Trump and Melania coin and the dinner for top holders as well as Trumps getting approximately 2 billion richer since stepping in to the White House?
The official line is I don't care about it, think it doesn't matter, and have nothing to say about it.
If you were requesting advice as to why you should divest yourself from concern about the issue as I have, I'd say you're out of luck. If you're a European resident of Europe, you have almost no choice but to be rabidly focused on who the President of the United States has dinner with, not to mention his unrealized capital gains (hope you know what that means). But I'll give it a shot: Cosmic justice. In short, he got shot in the head so I do not give a single fuck how many people buy his meme coin. The least he can do is make up the losses he went through from the first term.
Ooof, that is such a weak doge I almost can't even think of a reply that is appropreate.
I'd say that maybe, given how much you are concerned on Abrego Garcia's problems with law and how that makes him an appropriate target for extrajudicial deportation to a gulag you might have an issue with the president who's such a huge fan you are doing blatant corruption and bailing out people who stole from "the people".
I guess your concern for criminality only goes for people who aren't white, who would have thunk it.
On the other hand, since you are so worried about deficit and national debt I would think you might have a problem with the millions that these pieces of shit now don't have to pay in restitution which reduces the federal income.
Of course, all of this would assume that you have any semblance of consistency and human decency.
The fact that you refer to his assassination attempt as a reason why he and his cronies get to do crime is, well, I don't know, retarded I guess?
On May 28 2025 15:22 KwarK wrote: It's like that well known poem goes "First they came for the trade unionists because Nazis are left wing and wanted to hang out Then they came for the socialists because everyone knows Nazis are socialists"
Pretty sure I'm remembering it right.
Would be helpful if you made a point?
You made the argument that Nazism was a left wing ideology because Hitler said he was a socialist one time and if you can't trust a man like Hitler then who can you trust. Hitler wouldn't lie.
I thought that was a fucking fantastic point and chimed in with agreement about left wing Nazism. I think there was even a poem about how in Nazi Germany the first people the Nazis came for were the trade unionists. I don't remember exactly how the poem went but I'm pretty sure that it was a list of groups the Nazis liked.
You misunderstood. I didnt make argument that nazism was left wing ideology. I made argument that being left wing doesnt make you impervious to being nazi/nazilike.
It doesn't make you anti-authoritarian necessarily, see our beloved Tankies and so on. But I don't get the vibes that many here support that stuff. Most of us are what the "rl leftists" would call "shitlibs", because we are too tolerant of right wing opinions due to having issues with stuff like re-education or mindless revolution instead of voting and in general accept the outcome of votes.
But on punching Nazis we can find common ground pretty quickly.
The issues we run into recently is that Trump and his possie are doing plain Nazi shit. Like Sieg Heiling at the inaguration and shitting all over the rule of law, which "shitlibs" like very much.
On May 28 2025 15:22 KwarK wrote: It's like that well known poem goes "First they came for the trade unionists because Nazis are left wing and wanted to hang out Then they came for the socialists because everyone knows Nazis are socialists"
Pretty sure I'm remembering it right.
Would be helpful if you made a point?
You made the argument that Nazism was a left wing ideology because Hitler said he was a socialist one time and if you can't trust a man like Hitler then who can you trust. Hitler wouldn't lie.
I thought that was a fucking fantastic point and chimed in with agreement about left wing Nazism. I think there was even a poem about how in Nazi Germany the first people the Nazis came for were the trade unionists. I don't remember exactly how the poem went but I'm pretty sure that it was a list of groups the Nazis liked.
You misunderstood. I didnt make argument that nazism was left wing ideology. I made argument that being left wing doesnt make you impervious to being nazi/nazilike.
Yes it does.
If you're left wing and violent then you might be a Stalinist or whatever but you're not a Nazi. Words have meanings, there is no left wing Nazism. You need to find a different word for them.
Consider the moon. It's in the sky, it lights things up, it's pretty big, sounds a lot like the sun to me. Being the moon must not be an impervious defence against the accusation of being the sun. I'm not saying that the sun is the moon, I'm just saying that the moon isn't necessarily not the sun. Here's a facebook link to explain this in more detail.
On May 28 2025 11:25 Razyda wrote: "if you’re an actual Nazi you’re fair game for a punching if you’re doing that in public" - well, well, well, wouldnt you say that drawing swastikas and committing acts of violence is something you can rather reliably identify nazis by? I must say that i find it intricately amusing that left draw more swastikas in few months than right in decade.
What the fuck are you talking about with your left wing swastikas?
Ah, this is the part where we insist that we can't tell the difference between antifascists branding fascist sympathizers with the symbol and the symbol being used in its original form. It's kind of like in that movie where Brad Pitt loves nazis so much that he gives the guy a Nazi tattoo with his knife. But no, it's still a right wing swastika, they're branding the guy as being right wing.
Oh yeah, so what you saying is that left draws swastikas and commits acts of violence for good reasons. Can you please find me a nazi who says that they were drawing swastikas and committing violence for bad reasons?
I am not gonna contest you point though, that Democrats buying Teslas are fascists sympathizers.
You can't possibly be serious here. If Person A thought Person B was pro-Nazi, and Person A vandalized Person B's property with a swastika to call out Person B's pro-Nazi beliefs, that doesn't mean that Person A is being pro-Nazi. Not to mention the fact that the Nazi party is/was a far-right party with conservative, authoritarian views.
Wow. Person A draws swastikas and commits acts of violence Person B have a Tesla (not even Volkswagen)
Obviously, between the 2, person B is a nazi.
"If Person A thought Person B was pro-Nazi" So person A thought that? Oh sorry, thats all right then.
I personally would differentiate between vandalism against Cybertrucks and other Teslas. Most other Teslas were bought before Elon went 100% bonkers.
It's a way for a society to get itself rid of it's worst elements, usually that would be the job of the law but the law obviously gets ignored by the Trump regime, so here we are. So sad. Thats also why plenty of people see Luigi as a hero, the law/state failed them.
But it's hilarious how buthurt the Trump cultists get over demonstrating some car dealerships.
On May 28 2025 15:22 KwarK wrote: It's like that well known poem goes "First they came for the trade unionists because Nazis are left wing and wanted to hang out Then they came for the socialists because everyone knows Nazis are socialists"
Pretty sure I'm remembering it right.
Would be helpful if you made a point?
You made the argument that Nazism was a left wing ideology because Hitler said he was a socialist one time and if you can't trust a man like Hitler then who can you trust. Hitler wouldn't lie.
I thought that was a fucking fantastic point and chimed in with agreement about left wing Nazism. I think there was even a poem about how in Nazi Germany the first people the Nazis came for were the trade unionists. I don't remember exactly how the poem went but I'm pretty sure that it was a list of groups the Nazis liked.
You misunderstood. I didnt make argument that nazism was left wing ideology. I made argument that being left wing doesnt make you impervious to being nazi/nazilike.
Yes it does.
If you're left wing and violent then you might be a Stalinist or whatever but you're not a Nazi. Words have meanings, there is no left wing Nazism. You need to find a different word for them.
Consider the moon. It's in the sky, it lights things up, it's pretty big, sounds a lot like the sun to me. Being the moon must not be an impervious defence against the accusation of being the sun. I'm not saying that the sun is the moon, I'm just saying that the moon isn't necessarily not the sun. Here's a facebook link to explain this in more detail.
You are getting rather close to arguing that mustache dude wasnt a nazi, because " Ich bin Sozialist"
On May 28 2025 15:22 KwarK wrote: It's like that well known poem goes "First they came for the trade unionists because Nazis are left wing and wanted to hang out Then they came for the socialists because everyone knows Nazis are socialists"
Pretty sure I'm remembering it right.
Would be helpful if you made a point?
You made the argument that Nazism was a left wing ideology because Hitler said he was a socialist one time and if you can't trust a man like Hitler then who can you trust. Hitler wouldn't lie.
I thought that was a fucking fantastic point and chimed in with agreement about left wing Nazism. I think there was even a poem about how in Nazi Germany the first people the Nazis came for were the trade unionists. I don't remember exactly how the poem went but I'm pretty sure that it was a list of groups the Nazis liked.
You misunderstood. I didnt make argument that nazism was left wing ideology. I made argument that being left wing doesnt make you impervious to being nazi/nazilike.
Yes it does.
If you're left wing and violent then you might be a Stalinist or whatever but you're not a Nazi. Words have meanings, there is no left wing Nazism. You need to find a different word for them.
Consider the moon. It's in the sky, it lights things up, it's pretty big, sounds a lot like the sun to me. Being the moon must not be an impervious defence against the accusation of being the sun. I'm not saying that the sun is the moon, I'm just saying that the moon isn't necessarily not the sun. Here's a facebook link to explain this in more detail.
You are getting rather close to arguing that mustache dude wasnt a nazi, because " Ich bin Sozialist"
A good thing then that actions speak louder then words.
On May 28 2025 15:22 KwarK wrote: It's like that well known poem goes "First they came for the trade unionists because Nazis are left wing and wanted to hang out Then they came for the socialists because everyone knows Nazis are socialists"
Pretty sure I'm remembering it right.
Would be helpful if you made a point?
You made the argument that Nazism was a left wing ideology because Hitler said he was a socialist one time and if you can't trust a man like Hitler then who can you trust. Hitler wouldn't lie.
I thought that was a fucking fantastic point and chimed in with agreement about left wing Nazism. I think there was even a poem about how in Nazi Germany the first people the Nazis came for were the trade unionists. I don't remember exactly how the poem went but I'm pretty sure that it was a list of groups the Nazis liked.
You misunderstood. I didnt make argument that nazism was left wing ideology. I made argument that being left wing doesnt make you impervious to being nazi/nazilike.
Yes it does.
If you're left wing and violent then you might be a Stalinist or whatever but you're not a Nazi. Words have meanings, there is no left wing Nazism. You need to find a different word for them.
Consider the moon. It's in the sky, it lights things up, it's pretty big, sounds a lot like the sun to me. Being the moon must not be an impervious defence against the accusation of being the sun. I'm not saying that the sun is the moon, I'm just saying that the moon isn't necessarily not the sun. Here's a facebook link to explain this in more detail.
You are getting rather close to arguing that mustache dude wasnt a nazi, because " Ich bin Sozialist"
No I’m not. Again, Hitler was a liar. I don’t know where your unwavering faith in Hitler comes from but I don’t share it. Hitler was a Nazi.
On May 28 2025 04:21 Introvert wrote: If the reality oBlade is living in is one that, for example, says that Biden was mentally unfit to be president then I think he's got a leg up on pretty much this entire thread already. Inventing a world that doesn't exist is a common theme on the left as well as the right at the moment.
On April 12 2020 03:36 GreenHorizons wrote: [quote]
The very first contest (if you ignore everything leading up to it in media and the party) demonstrated that electoral contest was not valid imo. Several subsequent state contests demonstrated that as well. If you set aside the electoral fraud we all witnessed in Iowa and the subsequent voter suppression lines in Texas, Chicago, Wisconsin, etc.. the small fraction of the general electorate that constitutes the Democratic primary (typically a moderate group) selecting Biden doesn't allow me to draw the conclusions you have. Bernie support among the left is overwhelming, the left is only a small part of the Democratic primary (for many reasons within and beyond their control)
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I'm suggesting the increased scrutiny a competent and non-complacent media would provide could expose people to enough to realize how terrible of an idea it is to put Biden up against Trump and there's more than enough votes left to prevent that fate. Also that doing so by way of delayed primary voting and a delayed convention (made possible/unavoidable by covid-19) is far preferable than trying to come up with solutions after Biden is nominated or if he wins, or worse, if he loses.
But your assessment of the validity of the election isn’t the issue here. Whether you think those irregularities cost Bernie the primary (and I think it’s pretty clear they didn’t), there’s not any clear metric by which Bernie could claim legitimacy. He didn’t win the primary, he hasn’t been ahead in polls at almost any point, and at this point he himself has dropped out. You’re hoping some negative media will take Biden down, but he’s been in the public eye for decades, including as VP for eight years. If there’s an angle the media could cover him by that would sink him, why would it only happen in the next 6 months?
Do you think Bernie was wrong to drop out? Do you think he was likely to turn it around? And more importantly, do you really think there’s a real chance of convincing voters to support a guy who already dropped out?
They could ask him to draw a clock on live TV. When it shows clear signs of mental decline a responsible population would not nominate him for president.
I don't think dropping out or "suspending" his campaign matters other than Democrats can't keep blaming him for them telling voters to go to the polls but I'd like to think irrefutable evidence of Biden's infirmity would be enough for him not to get enough delegates to clinch formally and the nominee would be decided at the convention.
You seem awfully confident about his infirmity, so presumably you think such evidence already exists. Care to share? Maybe put the links in a spoiler with some brief context, if you’re worried the mods won’t like it.
Outside of his better debate performances you can pretty much take your pick from his public appearances as where I've seen it. One of my favorites was seemingly forgetting Kamala Harris existed while they were both on the debate stage. Even Harris and Booker were taken back by it.
He seems perfectly cogent in that clip. Technically he said “the only African-American woman that had been elected to the US Senate.” Admittedly the pluperfect is not a very clear way to say “the first African-American Senator,” but it’s definitely not proof of cognitive decline.
If I say “Joe Biden has a stutter,” is that going to be a controversial statement here? I know some people think that’s a coverup or something.
I think it's clear that these are the established positions. People who see clear decline in his public speaking and those that see a stutter or whatever else. That's the point of the live TV clock test. We know a cognitive test is the one he skipped in his medical screening.
There are a lot of compilations that all include a handful of reasonable gaffs or whatever as well as what seem to be what even Andrea Mitchell suggested was him "losing a step".
Right, and if he successfully draws the clock everybody says “oh, nevermind, I guess he’s perfectly fine!” This seems like a straight-forward case of lose-lose for him: even if he draws it, there’s still a whole media cycle around “is Joe Biden sane” and the critics will only be emboldened.
Frankly, I think a big part of the problem here is that Joe Biden’s mental health has nothing to do with your objection to his candidacy, you just see it as an angle of attack. So maybe we should go back to talking about your real objections? Otherwise this conversation starts to not feel very good-faith.
I don't think it's just a GH thing. I've liked Biden a long time. He was my pick in 08, and I was pleased when he was picked for VP. I have the same concern about his declining coherency. He simply isn't the same man he was, even in 2012. I can't medically diagnose him, true. But I can observe he is make way less sense today than he was four or eight years ago. Yes, he's always been Joe 'foot in mouth' Biden. But it's not the same thing anymore, and it's very sad to see as someone who thought he could have taken on Trump four years ago. Probably I was wrong four years ago because what do I know about who could take on Trump- no-one else has figured it out yet. But still. Even four years ago Biden made more sense.
Hey, look at me.
There are no bonus points for making a call on Biden's cognitive state a few years ago as a cover for wacky takes now. There was no cover up. Polls all saw the same thing.
But MAGA support for Trump (may he live forever) far surpasses the wishful thinking of Biden's people. Kwark already posted one of his increasingly incoherent word salads but he's just doing the 'weave'. Biden could at least manage to explain the bills he was signing, yes even with an autopen. Trump (who consumes the insubmissive) is being read the cliff notes of whatever the hell he is signing and looks like to me he has very little clue as to the policy. I've gone back a few presidents signing bills but has there been anything like it?
But nevermind that for I am dazzled by the athletic body of Trump (who strikes the wicked with the thunderbolt), 6'2" and 224 pounds: "Oh Mr President, you look amazing, can you share your workout with us," said an actual person, a supporter of the most gallant of presidents. His cabinet meetings resemble the fawning of courtly sycophants of a despot, so much so it actually grossed out hyper-partisan Ann Coulter of all people.
"the most transparent presidents of all time" "bravest, toughest man in the world" "enormous compassion"... "HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY TO ALL, INCLUDING ALL THE SCUM..." What a compassionate, sane and completely not unhinged thing to post. Easter: "Happy Easter to all, including the Radical Left Lunatics..." The world respects America now, no-one has made America more respectable than the Snowflake in Chief. Everyone is saying it.
It doesn't matter how disastrous his trade and foreign policy is proving to be. The number of times I've heard in debates supporters say "I don't what he is doing, but I have faith" is seriously disturbing.
I'll say the exact same thing on Trump (the irrefutable and most sapient) as I said of Biden. I can't medically diagnose him true, but I can observe that he is making way less sense today than he was four or eight years ago. He actually talked like semi-normal person in his interviews in the 80s. And MAGA allies are doing the same exact thing as Biden's people did, desperately and ineffectively covering for their mentally declining god emperor. And more, because for MAGA everything he does must be the bestest and greatest than all who came before. All while the executive centralizes power in itself and undermines the constitutional check of the justice system. But anyone with eyes to see without motivated reasoning can see different.
That's good! I'm glad to see something even from 5 years ago, although I am curious if you have anything from after the primary until, say, the debate last year? The moment that he became the only Trump alternative pretty much all talk of his issues ceased among those we are supposed to rely on for information.
And no, the wishful thinking of MAGA (some) might be on par with the Biden delusion but it's certainly not worse. Moreover, I would say it's more concerning that we have an entire news ecosystem, composed of the supposedly good journalists, who were either so in the tank or drowning on Kool Aid that they couldn't acknowledge "what the polls saw."
On May 28 2025 22:17 Velr wrote: I personally would differentiate between vandalism against Cybertrucks and other Teslas. Most other Teslas were bought before Elon went 100% bonkers.
In the same way that we differentiate between Nazi soldiers who were conscripted age 16 in 1945 and true believers, sure. But an artillery shell doesn’t make that distinction, it just solves the problem. Tesla owners are supporting Musk’s wealth and Musk openly uses his wealth to push Nazism. I can be sympathetic to the path that led to them becoming a target but they’re still a target.
On May 28 2025 18:02 Jankisa wrote: I would love to hear from oBlade regarding the latest pardon of the reality stars who just got a pardon for defrauding community banks, he's (in his twisted mind) found explanations for everything Trump's been doing so far as good, how is this a good move?
Also, I might have missed it, but what is the official oBlade line on Trump and Melania coin and the dinner for top holders as well as Trumps getting approximately 2 billion richer since stepping in to the White House?
One thing I find curious is, how does one reconcile being against political corruption, so tolerant of Trump’s stadium rock variety of it, and think there’s an embedded left-leaning cultural elite and ‘deep state’?
Not oBlade specifically, just jumping on your point.
If this level of grifting is normalised, what’s going to happen when the other lot, who you think are a bunch of shitbags, get back in the reins?
@introvert you have always been the most reasonable of the proudly Republican posters. But your take on Musk's clear Nazi salute, he did twice to make sure people know what it was, is not reasonable at all. If you wanted to try to say that he wasn't a nazi but was making it to troll the libs and look cool on 4 chan, that is at least somewhat possible (but I think it is more likely he did both to pwn the libs and because he agrees with lots of what the nazi's stood for).
Saying it is not a nazi salute means you are starting to fall down the rabbit hole mate, watch yourself and ground yourself.
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