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Billyboy
1121 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16769 Posts
Trump shoulda shut up on the eve of Canada's election. All he did was further erode his own citizens' Canadian customer base. Canada is boycotting US products HARD. It is absolutely every where.. everywhere I visit in Canada. One small example, Canadians are replacing US alcohol with Canadian. That is just the tip of the iceberg. Going through suburban Canada... its a sea of red maple leafs abso-fucking-lutely everywhere. the vid here discusses wine. its not just wine. it is all american alcohol products. Trump wants foreigners buying more American products. Ok , fair enough. Lesson #1 in marketing is that your existing customers are your best customers. A New customer is expensive to find and expensive to maintain. The USA is throwing away its current customer base... for what exactly? Canada is taking a hard turn right. Carney sounds more like a Conservative than a Liberal. Increased military spending? tax cuts? cut the carbon tax? back to conventional energy generation? Tougher on crime? Chretien did the same thing in the 90s. Said he was Liberal... while his policies would've made Barry Goldwater proud. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1006 Posts
Barbie Goebbles won! | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23297 Posts
On April 30 2025 00:07 misirlou wrote: A fourth option is that you're the "useful idiots" supporting the billionaire control of the US perpetrated (with different degrees and measures) by both parties. Is a christofascist gov worse than a oligarchy? Sure. But they're still both bad. But hey, let the "non trumper republicans" in the forum reaffirm you otherwise. Could've been a speech about political reform instead of the apolo missions. Proper eloquence is timeless. Let the rallying cries of past progress energize you to the current struggles. My offtopic about my voting stance on portuguese political parties: + Show Spoiler + If the far-right gains more power in portugal I'd be as much as "problem" as you see GH being in US pol. I consider myself a social democrat. The last time I voted for either the "social democrats"(center right) or "socialists" (center left) I was about 20. Despite their on paper policies more or less agreeing with things I stand for, I voted on alt-left parties and I moved from small to smaller parties due to my "moral purity". I will not vote for a party that disrupted a pedophilia investigation into party members. I will not vote for a party that has enabled corrupt politicians (found and convicted in court of law). I will not vote for a party whose leader personally benefited from the struggles they're fighting for (i.e. undisclosed ties to real estate businesses that perpetuate the housing crisis [a small business that is a drop of water in the bucket, but resulting in economic gains nonetheless]). So right now I'm voting for a party that has 4 seats in parliament (out of 230), no chances of "winning", but atleast I feel I have a voice as close to mine in parliament. And if I loose my country by a single vote to a loud corrupt conman (the leader of our alt-right) that convinced enough idiots that he has the solutions (he doesn't), I'm not blaming myself for not voting on a center party, I'm blaming the millions that got conned. There's 2 parties I'll happily vote for in portugal right now, Livre and PAN. Livre had a disastrous start to their parliamentary presence and instead of protecting their seat, they swiftly got rid of it. I can accept mistakes as long as they are properly addressed and corrected, instead of accepted/perpetuated to hold on to power. On April 30 2025 01:38 misirlou wrote: You are left with no good options. Voting for the lesser evil was the best option on November 5th 2024. But then instead of showing support to the people fighting for better options you're opposing them, in defense of (lesser) evil (inadvertently or not). It means you're cool with the destination, but not the speed. In 2028 you're off to vote for the lesser evil, again. It's intentionally limiting options. Russia federation is 35ish years old. About 100yo if you add USSR but idk what "they are all the same" bullshit looked like back then. I can't make heads or tails out of this accusation. mhm. GH is on denial while everyone else has already accepted. Ya'll did a good job mourning for America. MLK Jr. Mahatma Gandhi Nelson Mandela Salgueiro Maia Very happy someone sees it. Even better it's someone with the self-described social democrat politics that most of my haters around here purportedly have. I'm skeptical they are all members of Kwark's "(almost) hopeless accelerationist caucus" On April 30 2025 01:21 KwarK wrote: + Show Spoiler + Yes, you've once again reached the conclusion that everyone else already knew. The political system is dysfunctional and incapable of fixing itself. No party in a two party system is going to push for the end of the two party system which means it isn't going anywhere. We all know this. The fundamental problem is not something that you alone understand and need to teach the rest of us. You are not ahead of us, you are behind us. We all know the problem, have considered the problem, have considered the causes of the problem, and possible solutions to the problem. We have all reached the conclusion that these foundational problems are baked into the institutions and structure of our civilization and so they can only be changed through a revolution that rewrites the rules of society from a blank slate. We can't relay the foundations of the house from the inside. We all know this. Where you lose us all is the exact same things it has always been. 1. How will you get Americans, who are an extremely conservative group of people, to support this revolution? We saw a fair few general strikes in the UK in the last hundred years and they were always built on the existing frameworks of organized labour alliances. The dock workers and the coal miners and the teamsters working together in a highly organized highly disciplined bloc. The US simply doesn't have that framework to build on and working class Americans, as a rule, are more conservative than the average American. They don't identify as working class, they're highly politicized by a racial, religious, and cultural identify bloc. 2. How will the revolution get to a state of affairs that is better than the present day? Tearing up the rules is very effective at getting rid of the current rules but offers absolutely no guarantees about what the new rules are going to look like. And the overlap between people who are good at revolutions and people who are good at establishing tyrannical dictatorships has historically been a circle. We're stuck on those issues while you're in the distant rear view mirror going "hey guys I think the two party system might have some flaws we need to address". In my view the only thing that is going to radicalize the American public sufficiently is for things to get worse for the average American. Much worse. But before they turn to revolution they're going to start engaging in pogroms because they're extremely susceptible to hate propaganda. I don't have much hope. , but that would explain their refusal to plan for the future electorally or otherwise (besides fleeing the country of course). | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia777 Posts
Being proud of "organizing" within TL threads and thinking that makes you better then others is the same energy as Trump changing hurricane paths with a sharpie. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8572 Posts
(Reuters) - United Parcel Service on Tuesday said it would slash 20,000 jobs and shut 73 facilities as part of a planned reduction in deliveries for Amazon.com, and as U.S. President Donald Trump's tariffs roil global trade. A UPS spokesman said the layoffs are due to shedding 50% of shipping volume from Amazon.com, its largest customer, as well as ongoing cost-cutting and efficiency projects under a major operational restructuring. An Amazon spokesperson said, “Due to their operational needs, UPS requested a reduction in volume and we certainly respect their decision." The move comes as Trump's aggressive trade policies have begun slowing economic growth and increasing expectations for a possible recession. "The world hasn't been faced with such enormous potential impacts to trade in more than 100 years," CEO Carol Tome said on the company's earnings call. As the world's largest parcel delivery firm, UPS touches a broad swath of industries and is seen as a gauge for the global economy. FedEx, its top rival, signaled a slowdown in March. UPS aims to shelter profits by cutting $3.5 billion in 2025 with its latest overhead reductions. UPS also said a big percentage of the volume reduction from Amazon is money-losing work moving goods from fulfillment centers. For the second quarter, UPS forecast total-company operating margin of about 9.3% - below the double-digit margins investors like. 20k jobs going poof through tariff action. also the "below the double-digit margins investors like" line is so whack. shareholder capitalism kinda lost the plot somewhere along the way. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1006 Posts
They are parasites. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23297 Posts
On April 30 2025 15:58 Jankisa wrote: Tully a hero of their own story. Being proud of "organizing" within TL threads and thinking that makes you better then others is the same energy as Trump changing hurricane paths with a sharpie. You wouldn't know this, but once upon a time, people used to complain about me interrupting the serious political discussions they were having here by pointing out how terrible Republicans were. I was too partisan for Democrats they said. But the point is that the accusation that I'm spending all my effort trying to make Democrats lose is contrary to the fact that I have presented the best strategy any Democrat supporter here has seen for how they can win electorally going forward. It also doesn't make any sense as an attack. The idea now being that instead of attacking Democrats (something ostensibly impactful), using this space to work toward getting Democrats elected is supposed to be ridiculous (useless). I'd argue lib/Dem/ilk here are the ones that have demonstrably spent months trying to make Democrats lose by refusing to develop/work on their plan on how they could/would win. Instead, relentlessly emotionally lashing out at the only person here trying and endlessly bickering with bad faith right wingers about nonsense meant to distract them from working on winning and/or mocking and gawking at them. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9129 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_independent_635/90a426606c21847bb69fd76245440727) I assumed he knew the "MS13" characters are (obviously) added in, but when told by a reporter that it was photoshopped he was completely dumbfounded and genuinely so, definitely not acting. If the text editor from Paint is enough to 100% fool him and presumably a large chunk of his voters, what chance do these people have to understand anything around them and be able to tell what's real in the age AI? How's the "marketplace of ideas" supposed to work when this is the clientele? If you were to magically fix education tomorrow (and it's currently slipping in the opposite direction) it would still take decades to get a somewhat rational society, sorry to be a doomer but we're not gonna see that in our lifetimes. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8572 Posts
On April 30 2025 20:44 Dan HH wrote: You all remember this MS13 tattoo image that Trump proudly presented some days ago? + Show Spoiler + I assumed he knew the "MS13" characters are (obviously) added in, but when told by a reporter that it was photoshopped he was completely dumbfounded and genuinely so, definitely not acting. If the text editor from Paint is enough to 100% fool him and presumably a large chunk of his voters, what chance do these people have to understand anything around them and be able to tell what's real in the age AI? How's the "marketplace of ideas" supposed to work when this is the clientele? If you were to magically fix education tomorrow (and it's currently slipping in the opposite direction) it would still take decades to get a somewhat rational society, sorry to be a doomer but we're not gonna see that in our lifetimes. https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalNews/comments/1kb724p/trump_the_photoshopped_text_labels_of_abrego/ to add to the post, here is the exchange from the ABC interview. a quick Youtube search yielded nothing so Reddit it is. and yeah we are in for a fun ride. media literacy is so low that whatever Ai and their master(s) will come up with will be well received... as the actual liars already call the people who give at least a bit of a damn fake news. the exchange and linked video is just the latest example... "they gave you the big break here Terry... do the right thing. I chose you because frankly I never heard of you" POTUS ladies and gentleman. and what a shame it is. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25674 Posts
From my understanding it’s not even something that tricky to do at all either, and I believe some already do so. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11556 Posts
On April 30 2025 21:26 Doublemint wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalNews/comments/1kb724p/trump_the_photoshopped_text_labels_of_abrego/ to add to the post, here is the exchange from the ABC interview. a quick Youtube search yielded nothing so Reddit it is. and yeah we are in for a fun ride. media literacy is so low that whatever Ai and their master(s) will come up with will be well received... as the actual liars already call the people who give at least a bit of a damn fake news. the exchange and linked video is just the latest example... "they gave you the big break here Terry... do the right thing. I chose you because frankly I never heard of you" POTUS ladies and gentleman. and what a shame it is. That is really something else. Trump cannot accept that he might be wrong, and his immediate reaction to someone even insinuating that he might not be correct is to threaten and try to bully that person. And on such a trivial topic. How can anyone look at that clip and think "this man is the best we can do as a president". | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25674 Posts
On April 30 2025 19:09 GreenHorizons wrote: You wouldn't know this, but once upon a time, people used to complain about me interrupting the serious political discussions they were having here by pointing out how terrible Republicans were. I was too partisan for Democrats they said. But the point is that the accusation that I'm spending all my effort trying to make Democrats lose is contrary to the fact that I have presented the best strategy any Democrat supporter here has seen for how they can win electorally going forward. It also doesn't make any sense as an attack. The idea now being that instead of attacking Democrats (something ostensibly impactful), using this space to work toward getting Democrats elected is supposed to be ridiculous (useless). I'd argue lib/Dem/ilk here are the ones that have demonstrably spent months trying to make Democrats lose by refusing to develop/work on their plan on how they could/would win. Instead, relentlessly emotionally lashing out at the only person here trying and endlessly bickering with bad faith right wingers about nonsense meant to distract them from working on winning and/or mocking and gawkingat them. Your plan isn’t really much different from one we could cobble together from the musings of many posters. Seems pretty solid to me, I imagine many feel the same. There’s just not a huge amount of friction and subsequent interaction from a ‘yeah that looks pretty good’, in what is ultimately a forum. We’re not the collective war room dictating further Dem strategy. Indeed, I’d say ballpark about half of regular contributors aren’t even Americans. Most folks in big political movements are followers, not ones to get things going, time is finite. And some may jump in at different stages. Maybe it’s enthusiastically contributing to the newly formed union, or some local socialist org that educates alongside doing food handouts. Some may hold tight until things get bigger traction, at a state or even fully national level. I’m sure some folks here will vote the progressive candidates in primaries, or in generals if they make it, they’re just not going to do much grass roots groundwork in the interim, It’s just the way of things, ideal no but hey. We’re not in like r/PoliticalActivism or whatever. If it were then sure, let’s hold each other to certain standards of tangibly doing things, but we are not: As per the bolded I just disagree entirely. Indeed I think it’s the flaw in the overall plan as it were. I’m broadly in the same position that Kwark has colourfully espoused in that look at what Americans found fit to elect, and the tenor of some of the politics. That’s not going to just dissipate overnight, even with a good suite of economic populism, indeed many in the US are really actively hostile to it. To that end just ceding certain ground and forums so that right wing politics is challenged less, not more, is just not a winner for me. Whether correct, or indeed fair, I cannae look into one’s soul, you really seem to want to have you cake and eat it too and you lack the ability to recognise that it is this and not your politics that gets the pushback. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia777 Posts
I might be wrong, and I would love to be corrected, but I haven't really seen any reports from you about attending protests, making any policy suggestions, writing letters or actually trying to enact any meaningful change other then calling out people from all over the world for "not doing anything" when all we want to do is talk about what's happening. We all might have our own ideas how to fix shit and most of us seem to agree that your approach of larping different personalities while doing drive by purity tests and non stop holding water for fascists by trying to make everything about your pet peeves with democrats/the west is even more useless then our pontificating about how the world is going to shit. | ||
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Yurie
11881 Posts
On April 30 2025 16:37 Doublemint wrote: UPS to cut 20,000 jobs on reduced Amazon deliveries, as US tariffs weigh 20k jobs going poof through tariff action. also the "below the double-digit margins investors like" line is so whack. shareholder capitalism kinda lost the plot somewhere along the way. Depending on what you do with that margin it is a reasonable target. If you are sensitive to the boom/bust cycle or in an industry with large investment requirements it is kind of required to keep the company stable over time. If you just use the money for stock buybacks then it is pointless of course. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28689 Posts
On April 30 2025 21:42 WombaT wrote: AI generated content absolutely 100% needs some kind of digital watermarking, across the board or we are really, really fucked. From my understanding it’s not even something that tricky to do at all either, and I believe some already do so. My brother works with this and he mentioned that what we basically do have is the ability to watermark actual photos. I think the idea of successfully regulating all AI sounds kinda pipe-dreamy but that a cultural shift towards 'this image/video doesn't have the watermark showing it was taken by a real camera thus we can't conclude that it's real' might eventually happen, at least to such a degree that it's somewhat possible to actually discern real from not real - not to the degree that nobody or even big swaths get fooled. The latter ship has sailed and I'm not even sure it was ever at the harbor. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18051 Posts
On April 30 2025 21:42 WombaT wrote: AI generated content absolutely 100% needs some kind of digital watermarking, across the board or we are really, really fucked. From my understanding it’s not even something that tricky to do at all either, and I believe some already do so. That photo isn't AI generated tho. It's not even trying to look real. It's a photo of the hand and someone writing the interpretation of the tattoo above and beneath. MS Paint could do that in the 90s. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7341 Posts
On April 30 2025 20:44 Dan HH wrote: You all remember this MS13 tattoo image that Trump proudly presented some days ago? + Show Spoiler + I assumed he knew the "MS13" characters are (obviously) added in, but when told by a reporter that it was photoshopped he was completely dumbfounded and genuinely so, definitely not acting. If the text editor from Paint is enough to 100% fool him and presumably a large chunk of his voters, what chance do these people have to understand anything around them and be able to tell what's real in the age AI? How's the "marketplace of ideas" supposed to work when this is the clientele? If you were to magically fix education tomorrow (and it's currently slipping in the opposite direction) it would still take decades to get a somewhat rational society, sorry to be a doomer but we're not gonna see that in our lifetimes. If you put a cardboard cutout of Trump and mspainted t r u m p on its forehead I could believe you’d get conservatives trying to talk to it like it was real. Fuck, I didn’t think conservatives could get dumber, like holy shit, they couldn’t even find someone to take the 15 minutes it would take to actually do a half decent photoshop job. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16769 Posts
https://globalnews.ca/news/11157505/canada-election-trump-carney-relationship/ Trump now has a plausible reason for greatly altering his position on Canada. Carney is an economist/banker... Trudeau was a high school drama teacher. On May 01 2025 10:49 Zambrah wrote: Fuck, I didn’t think conservatives could get dumber, like holy shit, they couldn’t even find someone to take the 15 minutes it would take to actually do a half decent photoshop job. i do not think conservatives as a group are super dumb. they know how to win elections. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7341 Posts
i do not think conservatives as a group are super dumb. they know how to win elections. Canadian conservatives just suffered a massively embarrassing loss, lmao. Conservatives arent good at winning elections, milquetoasts centrists are bad at winning them, conservatives like the Republicans are unbelievably lucky that the likes of the Democrats in the US exist, 'cause any party that was even moderately well liked would run circles around their asses electorally. The fascistic conservative upwelling doesn't happen without neoliberal Democrat centrists being a pack of out of touch technocratic incompetents. | ||
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