US Politics Mega-thread - Page 4949

If the far-right gains more power in portugal I'd be as much as "problem" as you see GH being in US pol. I consider myself a social democrat. The last time I voted for either the "social democrats"(center right) or "socialists" (center left) I was about 20. Despite their on paper policies more or less agreeing with things I stand for, I voted on alt-left parties and I moved from small to smaller parties due to my "moral purity". I will not vote for a party that disrupted a pedophilia investigation into party members. I will not vote for a party that has enabled corrupt politicians (found and convicted in court of law). I will not vote for a party whose leader personally benefited from the struggles they're fighting for (i.e. undisclosed ties to real estate businesses that perpetuate the housing crisis [a small business that is a drop of water in the bucket, but resulting in economic gains nonetheless]). So right now I'm voting for a party that has 4 seats in parliament (out of 230), no chances of "winning", but atleast I feel I have a voice as close to mine in parliament. And if I loose my country by a single vote to a loud corrupt conman (the leader of our alt-right) that convinced enough idiots that he has the solutions (he doesn't), I'm not blaming myself for not voting on a center party, I'm blaming the millions that got conned. There's 2 parties I'll happily vote for in portugal right now, Livre and PAN. Livre had a disastrous start to their parliamentary presence and instead of protecting their seat, they swiftly got rid of it. I can accept mistakes as long as they are properly addressed and corrected, instead of accepted/perpetuated to hold on to power.

Yes, you've once again reached the conclusion that everyone else already knew. The political system is dysfunctional and incapable of fixing itself. No party in a two party system is going to push for the end of the two party system which means it isn't going anywhere.

We all know this. The fundamental problem is not something that you alone understand and need to teach the rest of us. You are not ahead of us, you are behind us. We all know the problem, have considered the problem, have considered the causes of the problem, and possible solutions to the problem. We have all reached the conclusion that these foundational problems are baked into the institutions and structure of our civilization and so they can only be changed through a revolution that rewrites the rules of society from a blank slate. We can't relay the foundations of the house from the inside.

We all know this. Where you lose us all is the exact same things it has always been.

1. How will you get Americans, who are an extremely conservative group of people, to support this revolution? We saw a fair few general strikes in the UK in the last hundred years and they were always built on the existing frameworks of organized labour alliances. The dock workers and the coal miners and the teamsters working together in a highly organized highly disciplined bloc. The US simply doesn't have that framework to build on and working class Americans, as a rule, are more conservative than the average American. They don't identify as working class, they're highly politicized by a racial, religious, and cultural identify bloc.

2. How will the revolution get to a state of affairs that is better than the present day? Tearing up the rules is very effective at getting rid of the current rules but offers absolutely no guarantees about what the new rules are going to look like. And the overlap between people who are good at revolutions and people who are good at establishing tyrannical dictatorships has historically been a circle.

We're stuck on those issues while you're in the distant rear view mirror going "hey guys I think the two party system might have some flaws we need to address".