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On May 02 2025 00:04 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2025 00:02 oBlade wrote:On May 01 2025 23:19 Doublemint wrote:U.S.-citizen family 'traumatized' after ICE raided their Oklahoma home in search of someone elseFederal immigration agents searched the home of a family in Oklahoma and seized their belongings when conducting a search warrant issued for someone else.
The U.S. citizen mother of three daughters said the family has been "traumatized" since they were wrongly subjected to a search and seizure warrant that had the names of the residents who previously lived in her Oklahoma City home.
“We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens,” the woman told KFOR, an NBC-affiliated local TV news station. “They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless."
According to KFOR, which first reported the story, the immigration agents raided the home last week. They had a search warrant for the home, but the suspects listed on the warrant were not living in the house anymore.
About 20 armed agents busted through the door in the middle of the night, KFOR reported.
At first, the mother didn't know who they were. “It was dark. All the lights were off,” she said. "My initial thought was we were being robbed — that my daughters, being females, were being kidnapped."
The mother, whose identity was not revealed and who KFOR referred to by the pseudonym "Marisa" in its reporting, told the TV station the men who entered her home identified themselves as federal agents with the U.S. Marshals Service, the Federal Bureau of Investigations and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
"The U.S. Marshal Service was not involved in the incident," Brady McCarron, deputy chief of public affairs at the United States Marshals Service, told NBC News in an email Tuesday.
'We didn't do anything'
A spokesperson for the FBI referred NBC News' request for comment to Homeland Security Investigations, an agency within the Department of Homeland Security that investigates criminal cases.
A senior DHS official confirmed to NBC News on Wednesday that ICE carried out "a court-authorized search warrant for a large-scale human smuggling investigation," involving eight Guatemalan nationals indicted in a federal case in the Northern District of Oklahoma.
“The search warrants included the location of an address where U.S. citizens recently moved. The previous residents were the intended targets," the official said.
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The mother and her daughters wrongly targeted had recently moved from Maryland, settling in the rented home in Oklahoma City just a couple of weeks ago — hoping for a slower, more affordable lifestyle, KFOR reported. The father was set to join the family in their new home this weekend.
Though none of the family members were the subjects of the warrant, federal agents raided their home and confiscated their belongings. They took their phones, laptops and all their cash savings as "evidence," KFOR reported.
"I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” the mother said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
“I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything," the mother added.
She said the agents ordered her and her daughters to step outside, even though it was raining and they barely were given time to put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments — her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear,” the woman told KFOR.
“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Before the agents left, the mother asked when could the family get their belongings back and they said it could be days or even months, KFOR reported.
DHS did not comment on how the mother described and characterized the actions of the agents. nothing to see here. just another happy little accident during the best 100 days of any presidency ever. golden era guys, why don't you smile? and say thank you to dear leader. The government should go through the full process of a complete investigation with getting warrants to respect due process and the rights of everyone involved. However, if that process takes so long that the criminals who were originally living in the house moved out resulting in the victimization of the innocent people who took their place, that's also the President's fault. How complete an investigation is it if you fucked up who lives in the house?
Everything here points to executing the law faster (i.e., more fascistly) would have resulted in the correct results both for the targets of the warrant and the innocent family renting the place where the criminals used to live.
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Why stop at disregarding due process?
Cops should just start shooting people speaking spanish in public, it's likely they are illegals and a shallow roadside grave comes cheaper than deportation.
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On May 01 2025 23:17 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2025 12:37 Zambrah wrote:i do not think conservatives as a group are super dumb. they know how to win elections. Canadian conservatives just suffered a massively embarrassing loss, lmao. Conservatives arent good at winning elections, milquetoasts centrists are bad at winning them, conservatives like the Republicans are unbelievably lucky that the likes of the Democrats in the US exist, 'cause any party that was even moderately well liked would run circles around their asses electorally. The fascistic conservative upwelling doesn't happen without neoliberal Democrat centrists being a pack of out of touch technocratic incompetents. If you look at voter intentions over time the Conservatives didn’t actually decline that much from their 25 point lead. The Liberals benefited from tactical voting from the anti Conservative bloc. Faced with the genuine threat of a far right populist government and a very visible example of how badly that can go in their southern neighbour the left wing voters held their noses and voted centrist. Not because they liked centrism but because you don’t vote based on signaling during a national emergency, you vote strictly on a results calculus. We shouldn’t be too hasty to count conservative branded populism out. It’s like how in the UK Labour won in an absolute landslide but only because the Conservative vote was split by an even further right wing party, Reform. The result may be good but understanding why we won is important if it is to be repeated.
I would never count the fascy types out, but I also dont think that the Canadian result is going to be particularly repeatable strategically. If Trump wasn't such an absolutely wild nutbag directly associating himself with a candidate who didnt bother distancing themselves from him despite his clear and public desire to have Canada be subservient to the US then the liberal centrists dont win here.
The liberal centrists need to actually become popular, relying on the opposition being uber-hateable is not reliable or smart strategy, they will have had, what, four election cycles in power? If they aren't going to great lengths to make those four election cycles feel like they've made a tangible positive impact on people (not just less-bad than the alternative) then they're going to struggle when the next election cycle comes and they're not given the massive handicap of a senile psychopathic fascist basically stumping for his opposition. They've already spent three election cycles worth of time being in adequate, so honestly Im not sure how they address the issues Canada has (like the exorbitant cost of housing) without some serious soul searching and very aggressive use of any single iota of power they have.
My problem here is that its the Incompetents Vs. The Stupid and Evil, and the Incompetents general inability to make life meaningfully better for their constituents breeds an environment where The Stupid and Evil are capable of winning elections. We can never have the luxury of counting The Stupid and Evil out because the Incompetents dont do a good job of making sure things like housing are affordable for the average citizen. People feel squeezed and angry and like they have no electoral outlet so they're just going to vascilate between sides until either we're in full blown fascism or the Incompetents pull their hands out of their asses and make people feel energized and happy to vote for them.
Relying on voters to always vote strategically just isnt happening, everyone on all sides is too dumb/disaffected/incompetent. I just don't see an avenue for it based on what I've seen.
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On May 02 2025 00:13 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2025 00:02 oBlade wrote:On May 01 2025 23:19 Doublemint wrote:U.S.-citizen family 'traumatized' after ICE raided their Oklahoma home in search of someone elseFederal immigration agents searched the home of a family in Oklahoma and seized their belongings when conducting a search warrant issued for someone else.
The U.S. citizen mother of three daughters said the family has been "traumatized" since they were wrongly subjected to a search and seizure warrant that had the names of the residents who previously lived in her Oklahoma City home.
“We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens,” the woman told KFOR, an NBC-affiliated local TV news station. “They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless."
According to KFOR, which first reported the story, the immigration agents raided the home last week. They had a search warrant for the home, but the suspects listed on the warrant were not living in the house anymore.
About 20 armed agents busted through the door in the middle of the night, KFOR reported.
At first, the mother didn't know who they were. “It was dark. All the lights were off,” she said. "My initial thought was we were being robbed — that my daughters, being females, were being kidnapped."
The mother, whose identity was not revealed and who KFOR referred to by the pseudonym "Marisa" in its reporting, told the TV station the men who entered her home identified themselves as federal agents with the U.S. Marshals Service, the Federal Bureau of Investigations and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
"The U.S. Marshal Service was not involved in the incident," Brady McCarron, deputy chief of public affairs at the United States Marshals Service, told NBC News in an email Tuesday.
'We didn't do anything'
A spokesperson for the FBI referred NBC News' request for comment to Homeland Security Investigations, an agency within the Department of Homeland Security that investigates criminal cases.
A senior DHS official confirmed to NBC News on Wednesday that ICE carried out "a court-authorized search warrant for a large-scale human smuggling investigation," involving eight Guatemalan nationals indicted in a federal case in the Northern District of Oklahoma.
“The search warrants included the location of an address where U.S. citizens recently moved. The previous residents were the intended targets," the official said.
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The mother and her daughters wrongly targeted had recently moved from Maryland, settling in the rented home in Oklahoma City just a couple of weeks ago — hoping for a slower, more affordable lifestyle, KFOR reported. The father was set to join the family in their new home this weekend.
Though none of the family members were the subjects of the warrant, federal agents raided their home and confiscated their belongings. They took their phones, laptops and all their cash savings as "evidence," KFOR reported.
"I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” the mother said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
“I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything," the mother added.
She said the agents ordered her and her daughters to step outside, even though it was raining and they barely were given time to put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments — her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear,” the woman told KFOR.
“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Before the agents left, the mother asked when could the family get their belongings back and they said it could be days or even months, KFOR reported.
DHS did not comment on how the mother described and characterized the actions of the agents. nothing to see here. just another happy little accident during the best 100 days of any presidency ever. golden era guys, why don't you smile? and say thank you to dear leader. The government should go through the full process of a complete investigation with getting warrants to respect due process and the rights of everyone involved. However, if that process takes so long that the criminals who were originally living in the house moved out resulting in the victimization of the innocent people who took their place, that's also the President's fault. Agreed, they're responsible for designing the process and ensuring that the process they design has sufficient resources to work as intended. The buck stops with them. They can't just say "we're not competent enough to follow the constitution so we shouldn't have to". Nice to see you on the side of civil liberties and the constitution for once.
+1
they changed policy very recently (100 days) by doing a shitton of EOs - some of which are just too numerous to take seriously/prove or disprove as constitutional... as it simply takes a lot of time to evaluate all of it.
even when your goddamn job requires you to. we are nerdy in here and kinda on the pulse. but I don't envy the people whose job it is to wade through it all. be it lawyers or journalists or whoever else in the US.
so yeah not that the Police or ICE were great before going full Trumpian... but now they are just plain worse and they will be worse because they have got the backing of their superiors for it.
the fish begins to stink at the head, not the tail.
here we go round and round and back again to due process and what that means "in action". it is actually great this happened, silver lining might be that you do not do this to ANYONE in the future if enough people say no - this is fucked up.
even if they are suspected criminals. but who am I kidding.
I just hope they sue the shit out of every agency involved in this massive fuckup. little girls and their mom half naked in the dead of night.
insane scouting and preparation before going in like it is Fallujah... despicable.
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People learning the hard way that even being a legal immigrant that's white won't necessarily protect you from the authoritarian crackdown on immigrants.
- An Irish woman has been detained at the Northwest Detention Center in Tacoma after her family says she recently returned from Ireland.
"She's been in there for six days, and she still doesn't actually have a hearing," said Orla Holladay.
Immigration experts say they've seen a big difference in the way green card holders are treated when traveling in and out of the United States.
"We've heard of so many stories in just these 100 days of folks who may not have any issues before," said Jen Chen.
Jen Chan specializes in immigration and is a member of Ryan, Swanson & Cleveland, PLCC.
"These days it's gotten a little more shaky in terms of who is being targeted and who is not," said Chen.
Chen advises green card holders to check in with an immigration attorney before engaging in international travel.
www.fox13seattle.com
Or maybe the Irish are just getting kicked back out of white club?
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On May 02 2025 01:04 KT_Elwood wrote:
Why stop at disregarding due process?
Cops should just start shooting people speaking spanish in public, it's likely they are illegals and a shallow roadside grave comes cheaper than deportation.
They had indictments in federal court, and a warrant from a judge. They had beautiful interagency cooperation to target human traffickers. You cannot get process more due than that. For example, you cannot wait until you convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt and then arrest them, giving them even more due process, because you have to arrest them in order to produce their body in court to give them their due chance to defend themselves before you find them guilty by a jury of their peers.
Due process of law is never going to mean something like "absolute guarantee that law enforcement officers never make a mistake." That's not it at all. Nor was it ever supposed to be. Nor has it ever been, either before or since January 20th, when the news restarted taking little stories to blow them up and shove down people's 24/7-outrage throats to show how evil police and Trump are. The only way to guarantee the criminal justice system never makes a mistake is to have it not do anything, which is an experiment some Democratic cities have almost made a reality. Whatever system you have, there will be mistakes. Just like no healthcare law will guarantee the total elimination of malpractice and suboptimal care.
In this case, the "mistake" is that they have a warrant for an address, and so can take shit from the people at the address, even though the people at the address said they had no connection to the people targeted by the investigation (which is what all people targeted by investigations also say), in order to verify as part of their investigation that neither the people nor their shit is connected to what they're investigating, before they eliminate it.
Like there are extremely egregious "wrong address" cases. Including with no-knock raids. Cases where they don't even read the mailbox number. Cases where someone dies. This is not one of them. This was the right address. This is 100% standard. Trump didn't somehow replace the entire ICE, FBI, and federal judiciary, with his personal army, while at the same time changing the rules for indictments and arrest warrants.
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On May 02 2025 01:21 Zambrah wrote:
They've already spent three election cycles worth of time being in adequate, so honestly Im not sure how they address the issues Canada has (like the exorbitant cost of housing) without some serious soul searching and very aggressive use of any single iota of power they have.
lol, Canada is fucked. fortunately, due to the USMCA its not hard to move an hour south.
Here comes the Parti Quebecois! when times get tough Quebec nationalism rises. So, here is how Trump takes down Canada.
1) Canada's economy implodes as the USA's economy goes into a recession due to the world wide tariff war
2) Quebec separates as nationalism rises in the bad economy
3) Trump picks Canada to pieces 1 province at a time starting with Alberta.
The Bloc agreed to play ball with the Liberals for 1 year. Carney is on the clock. if Carney doesn't let Quebec control their own immigration ... the Bloc will take his government down. Once Carney gives control of Quebec's own immigration...
The Fur Will Start Flyin'
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On May 02 2025 03:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2025 01:21 Zambrah wrote:
They've already spent three election cycles worth of time being in adequate, so honestly Im not sure how they address the issues Canada has (like the exorbitant cost of housing) without some serious soul searching and very aggressive use of any single iota of power they have.
lol, Canada is fucked. fortunately, due to the USMCA its not hard to move an hour south. Here comes the Parti Quebecois! when times get tough Quebec nationalism rises. So, here is how Trump takes down Canada. 1) Canada's economy implodes as the USA's economy goes into a recession due to the world wide tariff war 2) Quebec separates as nationalism rises in the bad economy 3) Trump picks Canada to pieces 1 province at a time starting with Alberta. The Bloc agreed to play ball with the Liberals for 1 year. Carney is on the clock. if Carney doesn't let Quebec control their own immigration ... the Bloc will take his government down.
melting down the US/world economy for 1 province at a time is truly 5D chess. masterful gambit really.
/s
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Northern Ireland25258 Posts
Not often I find myself in camp Oblade but I do here with some of these cases. Some, I will stress.
There’s plenty of room for disagreement on moral grounds, I would myself. But procedurally, plenty seem entirely legal to me.
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On May 02 2025 03:59 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2025 03:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 01:21 Zambrah wrote:
They've already spent three election cycles worth of time being in adequate, so honestly Im not sure how they address the issues Canada has (like the exorbitant cost of housing) without some serious soul searching and very aggressive use of any single iota of power they have.
lol, Canada is fucked. fortunately, due to the USMCA its not hard to move an hour south. Here comes the Parti Quebecois! when times get tough Quebec nationalism rises. So, here is how Trump takes down Canada. 1) Canada's economy implodes as the USA's economy goes into a recession due to the world wide tariff war 2) Quebec separates as nationalism rises in the bad economy 3) Trump picks Canada to pieces 1 province at a time starting with Alberta. The Bloc agreed to play ball with the Liberals for 1 year. Carney is on the clock. if Carney doesn't let Quebec control their own immigration ... the Bloc will take his government down. melting down the US/world economy for 1 province at a time is truly 5D chess. masterful gambit really. /s
its not 5D Chess though. Trump is floundering around ... he'll be able to gather up a couple of leaves falling from the Maple trees he is shaking.
The US economy contracted this last quarter. Canada's economy is going down with it. Quebec Nationalism is coming in hard. Quebecers can correctly blame the evil english speaking man Donald Trump.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/30/economy-gdp-q1-trump-tariffs
Gross domestic product (GDP), a key measure of the US economy, contracted by 0.3% in the first quarter of the year, down from growth of 2.4% in the last quarter of 2024. The contraction – the first since the start of 2022 – puts the US on the brink of a technical recession, defined by two quarters of negative growth.
Trump meets with Carney next week. A thumbs up from Mark Carney, Doug Ford, and Yves-François Blanchet can stop Canada's boycott of everything American.
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On May 02 2025 04:00 WombaT wrote:
Not often I find myself in camp Oblade but I do here with some of these cases. Some, I will stress.
There’s plenty of room for disagreement on moral grounds, I would myself. But procedurally, plenty seem entirely legal to me.
Surely at some point during the procedure of getting the warrant they should have checked who lived in the house they were getting a warrant for. I'm not a police officer but to me that feels like the kind of step you should do.
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On May 02 2025 04:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2025 03:59 Doublemint wrote:On May 02 2025 03:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 01:21 Zambrah wrote:
They've already spent three election cycles worth of time being in adequate, so honestly Im not sure how they address the issues Canada has (like the exorbitant cost of housing) without some serious soul searching and very aggressive use of any single iota of power they have.
lol, Canada is fucked. fortunately, due to the USMCA its not hard to move an hour south. Here comes the Parti Quebecois! when times get tough Quebec nationalism rises. So, here is how Trump takes down Canada. 1) Canada's economy implodes as the USA's economy goes into a recession due to the world wide tariff war 2) Quebec separates as nationalism rises in the bad economy 3) Trump picks Canada to pieces 1 province at a time starting with Alberta. The Bloc agreed to play ball with the Liberals for 1 year. Carney is on the clock. if Carney doesn't let Quebec control their own immigration ... the Bloc will take his government down. melting down the US/world economy for 1 province at a time is truly 5D chess. masterful gambit really. /s its not 5D Chess though. Trump is floundering around ... he'll be able to gather up a couple of leaves falling from the Maple trees he is shaking. The US economy contracted this last quarter. Canada's economy is going down with it. Quebec Nationalism is coming in hard. Quebecers can correctly blame the evil english speaking man Donald Trump. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/30/economy-gdp-q1-trump-tariffsShow nested quote +Gross domestic product (GDP), a key measure of the US economy, contracted by 0.3% in the first quarter of the year, down from growth of 2.4% in the last quarter of 2024. The contraction – the first since the start of 2022 – puts the US on the brink of a technical recession, defined by two quarters of negative growth.
sure.
so you sell to someone else if Trump is kinda bad to your businesses and in turn workers? others are seeking new alliances openly and have contingencies/are working on contingencies. it might take a bit of time but doing nothing also costs money as per your post.
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On May 02 2025 04:10 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2025 04:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 03:59 Doublemint wrote:On May 02 2025 03:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 01:21 Zambrah wrote:
They've already spent three election cycles worth of time being in adequate, so honestly Im not sure how they address the issues Canada has (like the exorbitant cost of housing) without some serious soul searching and very aggressive use of any single iota of power they have.
lol, Canada is fucked. fortunately, due to the USMCA its not hard to move an hour south. Here comes the Parti Quebecois! when times get tough Quebec nationalism rises. So, here is how Trump takes down Canada. 1) Canada's economy implodes as the USA's economy goes into a recession due to the world wide tariff war 2) Quebec separates as nationalism rises in the bad economy 3) Trump picks Canada to pieces 1 province at a time starting with Alberta. The Bloc agreed to play ball with the Liberals for 1 year. Carney is on the clock. if Carney doesn't let Quebec control their own immigration ... the Bloc will take his government down. melting down the US/world economy for 1 province at a time is truly 5D chess. masterful gambit really. /s its not 5D Chess though. Trump is floundering around ... he'll be able to gather up a couple of leaves falling from the Maple trees he is shaking. The US economy contracted this last quarter. Canada's economy is going down with it. Quebec Nationalism is coming in hard. Quebecers can correctly blame the evil english speaking man Donald Trump. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/30/economy-gdp-q1-trump-tariffsGross domestic product (GDP), a key measure of the US economy, contracted by 0.3% in the first quarter of the year, down from growth of 2.4% in the last quarter of 2024. The contraction – the first since the start of 2022 – puts the US on the brink of a technical recession, defined by two quarters of negative growth. sure. so you sell to someone else if Trump is kinda bad to your businesses and in turn workers? others are seeking new alliances openly and have contingencies/are working on contingencies. it might take a bit of time but doing nothing also costs money as per your post.
Quebec will separate. Alberta will try to get a better deal from the USA than it gets from Canada. The Parti Quebecois grand fromage ... looks like a tiger staring down a deer. He wants to make history. and, that'll be the end of Canada.
I need more time to mull this over though. The death of Canada has not been this close since 1995.
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On May 02 2025 04:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2025 04:10 Doublemint wrote:On May 02 2025 04:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 03:59 Doublemint wrote:On May 02 2025 03:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 01:21 Zambrah wrote:
They've already spent three election cycles worth of time being in adequate, so honestly Im not sure how they address the issues Canada has (like the exorbitant cost of housing) without some serious soul searching and very aggressive use of any single iota of power they have.
lol, Canada is fucked. fortunately, due to the USMCA its not hard to move an hour south. Here comes the Parti Quebecois! when times get tough Quebec nationalism rises. So, here is how Trump takes down Canada. 1) Canada's economy implodes as the USA's economy goes into a recession due to the world wide tariff war 2) Quebec separates as nationalism rises in the bad economy 3) Trump picks Canada to pieces 1 province at a time starting with Alberta. The Bloc agreed to play ball with the Liberals for 1 year. Carney is on the clock. if Carney doesn't let Quebec control their own immigration ... the Bloc will take his government down. melting down the US/world economy for 1 province at a time is truly 5D chess. masterful gambit really. /s its not 5D Chess though. Trump is floundering around ... he'll be able to gather up a couple of leaves falling from the Maple trees he is shaking. The US economy contracted this last quarter. Canada's economy is going down with it. Quebec Nationalism is coming in hard. Quebecers can correctly blame the evil english speaking man Donald Trump. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/30/economy-gdp-q1-trump-tariffsGross domestic product (GDP), a key measure of the US economy, contracted by 0.3% in the first quarter of the year, down from growth of 2.4% in the last quarter of 2024. The contraction – the first since the start of 2022 – puts the US on the brink of a technical recession, defined by two quarters of negative growth. sure. so you sell to someone else if Trump is kinda bad to your businesses and in turn workers? others are seeking new alliances openly and have contingencies/are working on contingencies. it might take a bit of time but doing nothing also costs money as per your post. Quebec will separate. Alberta will try to get a better deal from the USA than it gets from Canada.
that is a lot of assumptions... I cannot speak to it frankly as I got no idea of the dynamics here.
//edit: what I can talk about however, is that Trump is anything but a competent leader and even if the smart guys behind him have a decent enough plan - him being part of it throws it out of the window. he IS the maverick, but not it a good way unfortunately.
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On May 02 2025 04:19 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2025 04:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 04:10 Doublemint wrote:On May 02 2025 04:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 03:59 Doublemint wrote:On May 02 2025 03:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 01:21 Zambrah wrote:
They've already spent three election cycles worth of time being in adequate, so honestly Im not sure how they address the issues Canada has (like the exorbitant cost of housing) without some serious soul searching and very aggressive use of any single iota of power they have.
lol, Canada is fucked. fortunately, due to the USMCA its not hard to move an hour south. Here comes the Parti Quebecois! when times get tough Quebec nationalism rises. So, here is how Trump takes down Canada. 1) Canada's economy implodes as the USA's economy goes into a recession due to the world wide tariff war 2) Quebec separates as nationalism rises in the bad economy 3) Trump picks Canada to pieces 1 province at a time starting with Alberta. The Bloc agreed to play ball with the Liberals for 1 year. Carney is on the clock. if Carney doesn't let Quebec control their own immigration ... the Bloc will take his government down. melting down the US/world economy for 1 province at a time is truly 5D chess. masterful gambit really. /s its not 5D Chess though. Trump is floundering around ... he'll be able to gather up a couple of leaves falling from the Maple trees he is shaking. The US economy contracted this last quarter. Canada's economy is going down with it. Quebec Nationalism is coming in hard. Quebecers can correctly blame the evil english speaking man Donald Trump. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/30/economy-gdp-q1-trump-tariffsGross domestic product (GDP), a key measure of the US economy, contracted by 0.3% in the first quarter of the year, down from growth of 2.4% in the last quarter of 2024. The contraction – the first since the start of 2022 – puts the US on the brink of a technical recession, defined by two quarters of negative growth. sure. so you sell to someone else if Trump is kinda bad to your businesses and in turn workers? others are seeking new alliances openly and have contingencies/are working on contingencies. it might take a bit of time but doing nothing also costs money as per your post. Quebec will separate. Alberta will try to get a better deal from the USA than it gets from Canada. that is a lot of assumptions... I cannot speak to it frankly as I got no idea of the dynamics here.
in 1995, with the economy tanking and a right wing PM Quebec came within 50,000 votes of separating from Canada. 94% of quebecers voted in this referendum. how often do 94% vote on anything in the history of ever?
we've got the economy tanking and a PM claiming he'll increase military spending, already cut the carbon tax, cutting more taxes, a set plan to execute tough on crime changes, totally ignoring environmental concerns. So we've got another right wing PM who runs around in a red tie and calls himself a liberal.
the table is set.
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On May 02 2025 04:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2025 04:10 Doublemint wrote:On May 02 2025 04:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 03:59 Doublemint wrote:On May 02 2025 03:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 01:21 Zambrah wrote:
They've already spent three election cycles worth of time being in adequate, so honestly Im not sure how they address the issues Canada has (like the exorbitant cost of housing) without some serious soul searching and very aggressive use of any single iota of power they have.
lol, Canada is fucked. fortunately, due to the USMCA its not hard to move an hour south. Here comes the Parti Quebecois! when times get tough Quebec nationalism rises. So, here is how Trump takes down Canada. 1) Canada's economy implodes as the USA's economy goes into a recession due to the world wide tariff war 2) Quebec separates as nationalism rises in the bad economy 3) Trump picks Canada to pieces 1 province at a time starting with Alberta. The Bloc agreed to play ball with the Liberals for 1 year. Carney is on the clock. if Carney doesn't let Quebec control their own immigration ... the Bloc will take his government down. melting down the US/world economy for 1 province at a time is truly 5D chess. masterful gambit really. /s its not 5D Chess though. Trump is floundering around ... he'll be able to gather up a couple of leaves falling from the Maple trees he is shaking. The US economy contracted this last quarter. Canada's economy is going down with it. Quebec Nationalism is coming in hard. Quebecers can correctly blame the evil english speaking man Donald Trump. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/30/economy-gdp-q1-trump-tariffsGross domestic product (GDP), a key measure of the US economy, contracted by 0.3% in the first quarter of the year, down from growth of 2.4% in the last quarter of 2024. The contraction – the first since the start of 2022 – puts the US on the brink of a technical recession, defined by two quarters of negative growth. sure. so you sell to someone else if Trump is kinda bad to your businesses and in turn workers? others are seeking new alliances openly and have contingencies/are working on contingencies. it might take a bit of time but doing nothing also costs money as per your post. Quebec will separate. Alberta will try to get a better deal from the USA than it gets from Canada. The Parti Quebecois grand fromage ... looks like a tiger staring down a deer. He wants to make history. and, that'll be the end of Canada. I need more time to mull this over though. The death of Canada has not been this close since 1995.
ok so they all are getting hurt by and/or kinda hate Trump, am I seeing this right? why would they leave then to JOIN him lol.
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On May 02 2025 04:05 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2025 04:00 WombaT wrote:
Not often I find myself in camp Oblade but I do here with some of these cases. Some, I will stress.
There’s plenty of room for disagreement on moral grounds, I would myself. But procedurally, plenty seem entirely legal to me. Surely at some point during the procedure of getting the warrant they should have checked who lived in the house they were getting a warrant for. I'm not a police officer but to me that feels like the kind of step you should do.
‘Some, I will stress.’ To quote myself.
There seems a fuckload of overreach overall, equally there are some instances where that’s not the case, far as I can tell.
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On May 02 2025 04:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2025 04:19 Doublemint wrote:On May 02 2025 04:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 04:10 Doublemint wrote:On May 02 2025 04:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 03:59 Doublemint wrote:On May 02 2025 03:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 01:21 Zambrah wrote:
They've already spent three election cycles worth of time being in adequate, so honestly Im not sure how they address the issues Canada has (like the exorbitant cost of housing) without some serious soul searching and very aggressive use of any single iota of power they have.
lol, Canada is fucked. fortunately, due to the USMCA its not hard to move an hour south. Here comes the Parti Quebecois! when times get tough Quebec nationalism rises. So, here is how Trump takes down Canada. 1) Canada's economy implodes as the USA's economy goes into a recession due to the world wide tariff war 2) Quebec separates as nationalism rises in the bad economy 3) Trump picks Canada to pieces 1 province at a time starting with Alberta. The Bloc agreed to play ball with the Liberals for 1 year. Carney is on the clock. if Carney doesn't let Quebec control their own immigration ... the Bloc will take his government down. melting down the US/world economy for 1 province at a time is truly 5D chess. masterful gambit really. /s its not 5D Chess though. Trump is floundering around ... he'll be able to gather up a couple of leaves falling from the Maple trees he is shaking. The US economy contracted this last quarter. Canada's economy is going down with it. Quebec Nationalism is coming in hard. Quebecers can correctly blame the evil english speaking man Donald Trump. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/30/economy-gdp-q1-trump-tariffsGross domestic product (GDP), a key measure of the US economy, contracted by 0.3% in the first quarter of the year, down from growth of 2.4% in the last quarter of 2024. The contraction – the first since the start of 2022 – puts the US on the brink of a technical recession, defined by two quarters of negative growth. sure. so you sell to someone else if Trump is kinda bad to your businesses and in turn workers? others are seeking new alliances openly and have contingencies/are working on contingencies. it might take a bit of time but doing nothing also costs money as per your post. Quebec will separate. Alberta will try to get a better deal from the USA than it gets from Canada. that is a lot of assumptions... I cannot speak to it frankly as I got no idea of the dynamics here. in 1995, with the economy tanking and a right wing PM Quebec came within 50,000 votes of separating from Canada. 94% of quebecers voted in this referendum. how often do 94% vote on anything in the history of ever? we've got the economy tanking and a PM claiming he'll increase military spending, already cut the carbon tax, cutting more taxes, a set plan to execute tough on crime changes, totally ignoring environmental concerns. So we've got another right wing PM who runs around in a red tie and calls himself a liberal. the table is set.
This is again factually inaccurate. Quebec was 50,000 votes from entering into good faith negotiations about separating. They almost got past step one. Here in Alberta the indigenous leaders have already said don't bother with step one because our treaty rights are with Canada and were not signing off. Likely something similar or one of the other 8 roadblocks would have stopped it in Quebec as well.
You really got to stop getting your information from a combination of meme's and your own assumptions. It leads to say so many things as fact that are factually wrong.
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On May 02 2025 22:59 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2025 04:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 04:19 Doublemint wrote:On May 02 2025 04:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 04:10 Doublemint wrote:On May 02 2025 04:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 03:59 Doublemint wrote:On May 02 2025 03:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On May 02 2025 01:21 Zambrah wrote:
They've already spent three election cycles worth of time being in adequate, so honestly Im not sure how they address the issues Canada has (like the exorbitant cost of housing) without some serious soul searching and very aggressive use of any single iota of power they have.
lol, Canada is fucked. fortunately, due to the USMCA its not hard to move an hour south. Here comes the Parti Quebecois! when times get tough Quebec nationalism rises. So, here is how Trump takes down Canada. 1) Canada's economy implodes as the USA's economy goes into a recession due to the world wide tariff war 2) Quebec separates as nationalism rises in the bad economy 3) Trump picks Canada to pieces 1 province at a time starting with Alberta. The Bloc agreed to play ball with the Liberals for 1 year. Carney is on the clock. if Carney doesn't let Quebec control their own immigration ... the Bloc will take his government down. melting down the US/world economy for 1 province at a time is truly 5D chess. masterful gambit really. /s its not 5D Chess though. Trump is floundering around ... he'll be able to gather up a couple of leaves falling from the Maple trees he is shaking. The US economy contracted this last quarter. Canada's economy is going down with it. Quebec Nationalism is coming in hard. Quebecers can correctly blame the evil english speaking man Donald Trump. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/30/economy-gdp-q1-trump-tariffsGross domestic product (GDP), a key measure of the US economy, contracted by 0.3% in the first quarter of the year, down from growth of 2.4% in the last quarter of 2024. The contraction – the first since the start of 2022 – puts the US on the brink of a technical recession, defined by two quarters of negative growth. sure. so you sell to someone else if Trump is kinda bad to your businesses and in turn workers? others are seeking new alliances openly and have contingencies/are working on contingencies. it might take a bit of time but doing nothing also costs money as per your post. Quebec will separate. Alberta will try to get a better deal from the USA than it gets from Canada. that is a lot of assumptions... I cannot speak to it frankly as I got no idea of the dynamics here. in 1995, with the economy tanking and a right wing PM Quebec came within 50,000 votes of separating from Canada. 94% of quebecers voted in this referendum. how often do 94% vote on anything in the history of ever? we've got the economy tanking and a PM claiming he'll increase military spending, already cut the carbon tax, cutting more taxes, a set plan to execute tough on crime changes, totally ignoring environmental concerns. So we've got another right wing PM who runs around in a red tie and calls himself a liberal. the table is set. This is again factually inaccurate. Quebec was 50,000 votes from entering into good faith negotiations about separating... You really got to stop getting your information from a combination of meme's and your own assumptions. It leads to say so many things as fact that are factually wrong.
WRONG. You are dead wrong. 94% of Quebecers voted in this referendum because they knew it determined the future of their province and the future of the sovereign nation of Quebec.
later stated that he would have quickly proceeded with a unilateral declaration of independence had the result been affirmative and negotiations failed or been refused,[2] the latter of which was later revealed as the federal position in the event of a "Yes" victory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Quebec_referendum
The importance and meaning of this vote is precisely why Parizeau flamed out so hard blaming "ethnics and money". Basically, Parizeau blamed the Jews. That ended Parizeau's political career. You don't fuck up that badly.. when nothing is at stake. YOu do fuck up that badly when everything is at stake. And, it was.
93.52% of the 5,087,009 registered Quebecers voted in the referendum, a higher turnout than any provincial or federal election in Canada's history.
Canada was on the line on October 30th, 1995. In Quebec and Ontario, the world stood still dude. You are super out of touch while calling me out of touch. Whatever man. If you want to a deeper dive into October 30th 1995, the Canadian politics thread is where this needs to take place.
You could feel the tension. It was like a game 7, OT game... but it was real and not a game.
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