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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
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oBlade
United States5583 Posts
On May 03 2025 00:25 GreenHorizons wrote: ICE director insinuating he's going to start arresting elected leaders. https://twitter.com/CalltoActivism/status/1918026839135760879 Homan isn't the director or leader of ICE, that's Todd Lyons who as a part of DHS is under the Senate-confirmed Kristi Noem. If you find Homan's actual current job title other than "border czar" let us know as it eludes me. I wonder whether he's even technically working in the government or just out of the goodness of his heart. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On May 03 2025 00:56 oBlade wrote: Homan isn't the director or leader of ICE, that's Todd Lyons who as a part of DHS is under the Senate-confirmed Kristi Noem. If you find Homan's actual current job title other than "border czar" let us know as it eludes me. I wonder whether he's even technically working in the government or just out of the goodness of his heart. Correct, that was his former job, he's currently "border czar". He's "in charge of all deportation of illegal aliens back to their country of origin." according to Trump. You don't have to answer this, but are you a white person? I seem to remember you not being white for some reason? | ||
Billyboy
1015 Posts
On May 02 2025 23:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote: WRONG. You are dead wrong. 94% of Quebecers voted in this referendum because they knew it determined the future of their province and the future of the sovereign nation of Quebec. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Quebec_referendum The importance and meaning of this vote is precisely why Parizeau flamed out so hard blaming "ethnics and money". Basically, Parizeau blamed the Jews. That ended Parizeau's political career. You don't fuck up that badly.. when nothing is at stake. YOu do fuck up that badly when everything is at stake. And, it was. Canada was on the line on October 30th, 1995. In Quebec and Ontario, the world stood still dude. You are super out of touch while calling me out of touch. Whatever man. If you want to a deeper dive into October 30th 1995, the Canadian politics thread is where this needs to take place. You could feel the tension. It was like a game 7, OT game... but it was real and not a game. You are completely wrong and if you had even read your own source you would know this. Like how hard was it for you to even find that one quote out of context to even make it seem like you were right? There were three main people on the "separatist" side, Jacques Parizaeu, who you quoted and wanted full separation. And he didn't have the support, As polls showed Parizeau's approach as highly unlikely to even exceed 40% support in a referendum . To have a chance he partnered with Dumont and Bouchard, who wanted to leverage the referendum to make a better deal with Canada. Even with a yes this is what they had to say In interviews conducted in 2014, Bouchard[107] and Dumont[108] both believed that negotiations would have resulted had the "Yes" side won and that Quebec would have remained in Canada with a more autonomous status. Bouchard, while approving of Parizeau's intention to unilaterally declare independence should negotiations be refused,[109] implied that he and Dumont would have been able to control negotiations and offer a subsequent referendum on a new agreement.[110] Dumont noted that international recognition would have been difficult had two of the three leaders of the "Yes" campaign been against a UDI, and that he and Bouchard were willing to slow the process down if necessary. The question itself is not even clear, because they knew a clear question would be a loss. Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign, after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership, within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Quebec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995? It is clear to all those involved and all those remotely informed that this was a vote to enter negotiations, which is a HUGE deal, so that is why so many voted. But that does not mean a 50+1 meant Quebec was no longer part of Canada, it meant chaos and unknowns, and maybe that eventually. But an example of a major road block is the indigenous community. n response to the referendum, Indigenous peoples in Quebec strongly affirmed their own right to self-determination. First Nations chiefs said that forcing their peoples to join an independent Quebec without their consent would violate international law, violating their rights to self-determination. Indigenous groups also demanded to be full participants in any new constitutional negotiations resulting from the referendum.[62] First Nations communities contributed significantly to the tense debate on a hypothetical partition of Quebec. All these quotes are from your source, which you either purposely misused, or have such blinders you ignored the mountain of evidence that shows your claims are false. Here is a recent document for those that are curious on the challenges of an Alberta separation, it also has first step Referendum and second step Negotiations, because again, everyone knows this to be the way it happens. https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/494703230_4091026441130571_9170826195647809756_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg_tt6&_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=833d8c&_nc_ohc=3Xtjs3N7RN4Q7kNvwG-GQck&_nc_oc=AdlbrUVB-iEyI8wDLAlx636pVk_cAxtA4bwBXrf4hfMwrO3rsvV3a_vIg3TdBgDydJ4&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&_nc_gid=nN3YeF3UWc1fdHUjXuU_HA&oh=00_AfGLBI0IUp5EaMJdnlc7w1uscbEU5Ix_5fvUQ9MTiIWthg&oe=681AEAC7 Here is the leader from the Chiefs for for Treaties 6,7,8 also saying, don't waste your time and money its not happening. https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/493308778_1085456113621204_1493526332301188737_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=5TNgSro_1SQQ7kNvwGQspue&_nc_oc=AdkSxgdChmGUXSVtYE40raJ_OApjaWegV97r4PBSpu_tMAz3u94A0RHfbDzidY_-E9c&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&_nc_gid=vz3J7s1aXWPkNRS7gMMSXg&oh=00_AfGut6Wrg11qQ5bWvZqUvPszPyUEUQ4c3QIG5NzgIBOuiA&oe=681AE97A How you managed to find a source and not come to the obvious and correct conclusion is embarrassing. But sadly I guess just the way you operate. | ||
Fleetfeet
Canada2552 Posts
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Hat Trick of Today
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There's multiple times where I decide that maybe I should watch a video he's linked in the Games Industry thread but decide against making a post because I don't know where to even start with a response. The majority of the time the video is relevant for like 10 seconds and even then is only relevant if you view that section out of context. | ||
decafchicken
United States20019 Posts
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Billyboy
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16699 Posts
USMCA compliant Canadian Auto Parts have already been exempted... Carney is the ideal straight man for the comic Trump. On May 03 2025 09:39 Billyboy wrote: He is insufferable. after a big back and forth in the Canadian thread where this belongs ... I'm glad you conceded that October 30th 1995 was a greater threat to Canada than what is happening in 2025 based upon the behaviour of voters in the 1995 referendum and the 2025 election. There are dozens of other facts that indicate this is also the case. However, that belongs in the Canada thread. Not here. So I won't respond in here about Quebec sovereignty. | ||
Billyboy
1015 Posts
On May 03 2025 22:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Carney to meet with Trump on Tuesday. I wonder how the markets will react leading up to this meeting? I suggest the markets will rise and there will be hope. This is a big opportunity for Trump to pivot. He already has made positive statements about Carney weeks and months after trashing Trudeau hard core. USMCA compliant Canadian Auto Parts have already been exempted... Carney is the ideal straight man for the comic Trump. after a big back and forth in the Canadian thread where this belongs ... I'm glad you conceded that October 30th 1995 was a greater threat to Canada than what is happening in 2025 based upon the behaviour of voters in the 1995 referendum and the 2025 election. There are dozens of other facts that indicate this is also the case. However, that belongs in the Canada thread. Not here. So I won't respond in here about Quebec sovereignty. No one conceded anything, you just changed what you said and still have not read your own source, so still have no idea what you are talking about. | ||
Billyboy
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44312 Posts
On May 03 2025 23:32 Billyboy wrote: @oblade Is Trump lying about the MS13 being photoshopped? Or is he just so out of touch that he can't tell someone added it poorly with MS paint? To be honest, my initial assumption of this whole MS13/tattoo situation was that I had thought that Trump knew that the letters and numbers M, S, 1, and 3 weren't literally tattoos, but rather that they were decoded labels for the pictures below them (Marijuana = M, Smile = S, and apparently Cross = 1 and Skull = 3, like some sort of weird numerology or private gang symbolism.). But then after the Trump interview and all follow-up information emerged, I realized that my giving Trump the benefit of the doubt was wrong. He sincerely believes that M, S, 1, and 3 are literally tattooed above the 4 picture tattoos. And that's insane. "The president said, “Don’t do that. M, S, one, three, it says M, S, one, three.” Moran countered, “That was photoshopped.” He tried to move on, but Trump continued. “Terry, do you want me to show you the picture?” Trump said. “He had M, S as clear as you can be. Not interpreted.” ... The letters and figures M, S, 1 and 3 and the words below the symbols do not appear in other recent photographs of Abrego Garcia’s hand, including one that Salvadoran government officials took when he met Senator Chris Van Hollen Jr on April 17. El Salvador’s President Nayib Bukele shared it on X. The tattoos also do not appear in a family photo of Abrego Garcia shared by immigration advocates. MS-13 experts told PolitiFact that none of the pictorial tattoos in the photograph is a known signifier of MS-13." https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/30/does-abrego-garcia-have-ms-13-tattooed-on-his-knuckles-as-trump-claims | ||
Billyboy
1015 Posts
On May 03 2025 23:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: To be honest, my initial assumption of this whole MS13/tattoo situation was that I had thought that Trump knew that the letters and numbers M, S, 1, and 3 weren't literally tattoos, but rather that they were decoded labels for the pictures below them (Marijuana = M, Smile = S, and apparently Cross = 1 and Skull = 3, like some sort of weird numerology or private gang symbolism.). But then after the Trump interview and all follow-up information emerged, I realized that my giving Trump the benefit of the doubt was wrong. He sincerely believes that M, S, 1, and 3 are literally tattooed above the 4 picture tattoos. And that's insane. "The president said, “Don’t do that. M, S, one, three, it says M, S, one, three.” Moran countered, “That was photoshopped.” He tried to move on, but Trump continued. “Terry, do you want me to show you the picture?” Trump said. “He had M, S as clear as you can be. Not interpreted.” ... The letters and figures M, S, 1 and 3 and the words below the symbols do not appear in other recent photographs of Abrego Garcia’s hand, including one that Salvadoran government officials took when he met Senator Chris Van Hollen Jr on April 17. El Salvador’s President Nayib Bukele shared it on X. The tattoos also do not appear in a family photo of Abrego Garcia shared by immigration advocates. MS-13 experts told PolitiFact that none of the pictorial tattoos in the photograph is a known signifier of MS-13." https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/30/does-abrego-garcia-have-ms-13-tattooed-on-his-knuckles-as-trump-claims It is very hard to wrap my head around how he can possibly believe it, but I saw the interview and my take was as well that he actually does. I just can't figure out how people are seeing what I'm seeing and thinking he is some super smart guy. Maybe he was? But clearly he is just clueless on so much now. | ||
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micronesia
United States24676 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20019 Posts
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micronesia
United States24676 Posts
I've studied both weather and nuclear physics. I actually find the question somewhat interesting: What would it really take to disrupt a major weather phenomenon using technology? What would happen to a tornado if you detonated a tsar bomb right above it? What would happen if the USA detonated its entire arsenal in the eye of a hurricane? We've done enough nuclear testing to understand the environmental/human impacts. We also know how dangerous weather and other natural disasters can be. Is it possible there's some way we could use one or more nuclear weapons, in certain limited circumstances, in some very specific ways, to actually improve overall outcomes for human life? Probably not, but it's not 100% obvious to me that the answer is guaranteed "no". Still, I feel much better with Trump asking such questions when he doesn't also have the nuclear button and a team of yes-men below him. | ||
KT_Elwood
Germany942 Posts
Nuke Hurricanes. End war with Ukraine in 24 hours by .. just giving up for ukraine. Bring back manufacturing jobs (that most americans don't want to do) by applying tariffs that make no sense. The US-Economy is standing at a cliff and inches forward every day - because of an Idiot surrounded by a circle of idiots and a country that will rather respect the office, no matter who the incumbent is. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland25243 Posts
On May 04 2025 00:42 Billyboy wrote: It is very hard to wrap my head around how he can possibly believe it, but I saw the interview and my take was as well that he actually does. I just can't figure out how people are seeing what I'm seeing and thinking he is some super smart guy. Maybe he was? But clearly he is just clueless on so much now. I doubt he really cares either way, it’s just to his personal political advantage to double down, so he does so. I don’t think he’s the sharpest crayon in the box to put it mildly, equally I think he’s 100% aware that this is bullshit but running with it anyway. Which to my mind is probably worse than him being that thick. | ||
Billyboy
1015 Posts
On May 04 2025 00:53 micronesia wrote: The "why not nuke hurricanes" debacle actually kind of annoys me for a different reason. One the one hand, Trump doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all based on his behavior and what he's said over the past decade or so. On the other... I've studied both weather and nuclear physics. I actually find the question somewhat interesting: What would it really take to disrupt a major weather phenomenon using technology? What would happen to a tornado if you detonated a tsar bomb right above it? What would happen if the USA detonated its entire arsenal in the eye of a hurricane? We've done enough nuclear testing to understand the environmental/human impacts. We also know how dangerous weather and other natural disasters can be. Is it possible there's some way we could use one or more nuclear weapons, in certain limited circumstances, in some very specific ways, to actually improve overall outcomes for human life? Probably not, but it's not 100% obvious to me that the answer is guaranteed "no". Still, I feel much better with Trump asking such questions when he doesn't also have the nuclear button and a team of yes-men below him. I think he hears smart people say things, only kinda pays attention then repeats the parts he remembers. Even with this tattoo thing, some probably told him it was a code, but he forgot and just believed the numbers. But really who knows. I just don't get the oblades believing he is this super smart guy making great plays. I always assume they are pretending but it seems legit. | ||
Doublemint
Austria8511 Posts
On May 04 2025 00:53 micronesia wrote: The "why not nuke hurricanes" debacle actually kind of annoys me for a different reason. One the one hand, Trump doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all based on his behavior and what he's said over the past decade or so. On the other... I've studied both weather and nuclear physics. I actually find the question somewhat interesting: What would it really take to disrupt a major weather phenomenon using technology? What would happen to a tornado if you detonated a tsar bomb right above it? What would happen if the USA detonated its entire arsenal in the eye of a hurricane? We've done enough nuclear testing to understand the environmental/human impacts. We also know how dangerous weather and other natural disasters can be. Is it possible there's some way we could use one or more nuclear weapons, in certain limited circumstances, in some very specific ways, to actually improve overall outcomes for human life? Probably not, but it's not 100% obvious to me that the answer is guaranteed "no". Still, I feel much better with Trump asking such questions when he doesn't also have the nuclear button and a team of yes-men below him. now if that ain't a movie franchise in the making. "from the studio that brought you COCAINE BEAR AND SHARKNADO, this fall and with glowing reviews already... REVENGE OF THE NUCLEAR-HURRICANE | ||
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