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On May 05 2025 04:17 Broetchenholer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2025 03:35 sevencck wrote:On May 02 2025 00:13 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2025 00:02 oBlade wrote:On May 01 2025 23:19 Doublemint wrote:U.S.-citizen family 'traumatized' after ICE raided their Oklahoma home in search of someone elseFederal immigration agents searched the home of a family in Oklahoma and seized their belongings when conducting a search warrant issued for someone else.
The U.S. citizen mother of three daughters said the family has been "traumatized" since they were wrongly subjected to a search and seizure warrant that had the names of the residents who previously lived in her Oklahoma City home.
“We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens,” the woman told KFOR, an NBC-affiliated local TV news station. “They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless."
According to KFOR, which first reported the story, the immigration agents raided the home last week. They had a search warrant for the home, but the suspects listed on the warrant were not living in the house anymore.
About 20 armed agents busted through the door in the middle of the night, KFOR reported.
At first, the mother didn't know who they were. “It was dark. All the lights were off,” she said. "My initial thought was we were being robbed — that my daughters, being females, were being kidnapped."
The mother, whose identity was not revealed and who KFOR referred to by the pseudonym "Marisa" in its reporting, told the TV station the men who entered her home identified themselves as federal agents with the U.S. Marshals Service, the Federal Bureau of Investigations and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
"The U.S. Marshal Service was not involved in the incident," Brady McCarron, deputy chief of public affairs at the United States Marshals Service, told NBC News in an email Tuesday.
'We didn't do anything'
A spokesperson for the FBI referred NBC News' request for comment to Homeland Security Investigations, an agency within the Department of Homeland Security that investigates criminal cases.
A senior DHS official confirmed to NBC News on Wednesday that ICE carried out "a court-authorized search warrant for a large-scale human smuggling investigation," involving eight Guatemalan nationals indicted in a federal case in the Northern District of Oklahoma.
“The search warrants included the location of an address where U.S. citizens recently moved. The previous residents were the intended targets," the official said.
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The mother and her daughters wrongly targeted had recently moved from Maryland, settling in the rented home in Oklahoma City just a couple of weeks ago — hoping for a slower, more affordable lifestyle, KFOR reported. The father was set to join the family in their new home this weekend.
Though none of the family members were the subjects of the warrant, federal agents raided their home and confiscated their belongings. They took their phones, laptops and all their cash savings as "evidence," KFOR reported.
"I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” the mother said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
“I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything," the mother added.
She said the agents ordered her and her daughters to step outside, even though it was raining and they barely were given time to put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments — her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear,” the woman told KFOR.
“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Before the agents left, the mother asked when could the family get their belongings back and they said it could be days or even months, KFOR reported.
DHS did not comment on how the mother described and characterized the actions of the agents. nothing to see here. just another happy little accident during the best 100 days of any presidency ever. golden era guys, why don't you smile? and say thank you to dear leader. The government should go through the full process of a complete investigation with getting warrants to respect due process and the rights of everyone involved. However, if that process takes so long that the criminals who were originally living in the house moved out resulting in the victimization of the innocent people who took their place, that's also the President's fault. Agreed, they're responsible for designing the process and ensuring that the process they design has sufficient resources to work as intended. The buck stops with them. They can't just say "we're not competent enough to follow the constitution so we shouldn't have to". Nice to see you on the side of civil liberties and the constitution for once. Oh, spare me. How did you feel about the unvaccinated again? You (liberals and leftists in general) prosecute your policy preferences as though we're at war with each other. Don't complain when you're met on the field you've chosen. So the position of you (right wingers) in general is that people should die of small pox because my body my choice or what? Oh wait, my body my choice is not applicable because the decision kills another human being, right. Guess vaccines don't prevent other people dying because of my decision over my body, so the argument does not count then.
The COVID vaccines didn't stop the spread, and arguably did little to prevent death or disease. You don't respect the civil rights of others, so fine, lesson learned. Now we're going to have order.
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So if the COVID vaccine had shown after the fact to greatly prevent contraction and spread of the disease, it would be appropriate to make the vaccine required (to engage with the public) to end or prevent a major pandemic?
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On May 05 2025 05:17 micronesia wrote:
So if the COVID vaccine had shown after the fact to greatly prevent contraction and spread of the disease, it would be appropriate to make the vaccine required (to engage with the public) to end or prevent a major pandemic?
No, our medical ethic is voluntary consent, particularly following our experience with the Nazi doctors and their various experiments. But for me that's entirely beside the point. I want law, I want government corruption prosecuted, and I want ordered immigration. But I've always been willing to live and let live and to turn the other cheek. Live and let live died during COVID and liberals killed it. Now I want law, prosecution of government corruption, and ordered immigration, period. I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way.
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On May 05 2025 05:22 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2025 05:17 micronesia wrote:
So if the COVID vaccine had shown after the fact to greatly prevent contraction and spread of the disease, it would be appropriate to make the vaccine required (to engage with the public) to end or prevent a major pandemic? No, our medical ethic is voluntary consent, particularly following our experience with the Nazi doctors and their various experiments. But for me that's entirely beside the point. I want law, I want government corruption prosecuted, and I want ordered immigration. But I've always been willing to live and let live and to turn the other cheek. Live and let live died during COVID and liberals killed it. Now I want law, prosecution of government corruption, and ordered immigration, period. I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way.
Sorry but that question demanded a clear yes.
It‘s like you‘re advocating for everyone to be able to store explosive devices at home if they feel like it, irrespectively of the danger to the surroundings.
Would you like to live in a leper colony ? You‘re healthy so you‘ll be fine, am I right.
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United States24755 Posts
So if I understand, an individual should have to consent to getting the vaccine, not just in an absolute sense, but even to just go out in public and interact with everyone else. No public school should say "stay home until you have the vaccine." No restaurant should say "we don't want you eating here if you aren't vaccinated."
The other members of the public who are exposed to the unvaccianted person, who may be much more likely to spread the disease, do not get the opportunity to consent, nor should they. The needs of the first individual exceed the needs of the others who may be exposed. Contributing, they got the vaccine (which the unvaccinated person did not object to) and are at lower risk of contracting the disease or having a more severe case.
For those who are immuno-compromised, they should just stay out of public so that the people who want to be unvaccinated don't have to.
It's one way to approach human society.
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On May 05 2025 05:35 micronesia wrote:
So if I understand, an individual should have to consent to getting the vaccine, not just in an absolute sense, but even to just go out in public and interact with everyone else. No public school should say "stay home until you have the vaccine." No restaurant should say "we don't want you eating here if you aren't vaccinated."
The other members of the public who are exposed to the unvaccianted person, who may be much more likely to spread the disease, do not get the opportunity to consent, nor should they. The needs of the first individual exceed the needs of the others who may be exposed. Contributing, they got the vaccine (which the unvaccinated person did not object to) and are at lower risk of contracting the disease or having a more severe case.
For those who are immuno-compromised, they should just stay out of public so that the people who want to be unvaccinated don't have to.
It's one way to approach human society.
There's a lot of people walking around right now that haven't had this years flu vaccine or their updated COVID booster. Are you advocating for laws that demand they get them in order to go to a restaurant for example or are you okay with some immunocompromised people having to die?
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On May 05 2025 05:35 micronesia wrote:
So if I understand, an individual should have to consent to getting the vaccine, not just in an absolute sense, but even to just go out in public and interact with everyone else. No public school should say "stay home until you have the vaccine." No restaurant should say "we don't want you eating here if you aren't vaccinated."
The other members of the public who are exposed to the unvaccianted person, who may be much more likely to spread the disease, do not get the opportunity to consent, nor should they. The needs of the first individual exceed the needs of the others who may be exposed. Contributing, they got the vaccine (which the unvaccinated person did not object to) and are at lower risk of contracting the disease or having a more severe case.
For those who are immuno-compromised, they should just stay out of public so that the people who want to be unvaccinated don't have to.
It's one way to approach human society.
Consent to meeting other humans on planet Earth isn't within your rights. That you imagine this issue falls within the domain of consent/rights is telling. I'm not sure what you consider the justification for that information to be made public. Perhaps you can explain the liberty basis for vaccination status to be a matter of public record. You have free access to a vaccine, yet that isn't enough for you, you need control over the domain of who you encounter in the public. So, fine, on the same basis, I want control over who enters the nation. I want control over what other people say on the internet. I want control over what people do in their bedrooms. I want control over people transitioning children. I want control over what the media institutions are allowed to report. It's bad for the collective, and if that's the metric, then that's going to be the metric.
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On May 05 2025 05:44 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2025 05:35 micronesia wrote:
So if I understand, an individual should have to consent to getting the vaccine, not just in an absolute sense, but even to just go out in public and interact with everyone else. No public school should say "stay home until you have the vaccine." No restaurant should say "we don't want you eating here if you aren't vaccinated."
The other members of the public who are exposed to the unvaccianted person, who may be much more likely to spread the disease, do not get the opportunity to consent, nor should they. The needs of the first individual exceed the needs of the others who may be exposed. Contributing, they got the vaccine (which the unvaccinated person did not object to) and are at lower risk of contracting the disease or having a more severe case.
For those who are immuno-compromised, they should just stay out of public so that the people who want to be unvaccinated don't have to.
It's one way to approach human society. There's a lot of people walking around right now that haven't had this years flu vaccine or their updated COVID booster. Are you advocating for laws that demand they get them in order to go to a restaurant for example or are you okay with some immunocompromised people having to die?
Clearly he is not.
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What do all these issues have to do with infectious disease eradication policies ?
Immigration matters to some extent.
What‘s bad for a collective can be very situational in the cae of that and the other points.
In the case of US pol it looks like Trump has ICE filling a quota so they get creative.
Abortions are bad because of Christian fundamentalists in the voter base. Same for gender related things because they haven‘t read of syndromology either and think in binary.
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On May 05 2025 06:10 Vivax wrote:
What do all these issues have to do with infectious disease eradication policies ?
Immigration matters to some extent.
What‘s bad for a collective can be very situational in the cae of that and the other points.
In the case of US pol it looks like Trump has ICE filling a quota so they get creative.
Abortions are bad because of Christian fundamentalists in the voter base. Same for gender related things because they haven‘t read of syndromology either and think in binary.
If you justify coercion on the grounds of collective harm, then your framework applies to any domain where harm can be claimed: speech, immigration, sexual behavior, religion. You don’t get to invoke the collective when it suits your politics and retreat to individual rights when it doesn’t.
You can say "it’s different," but I’m asking how (in truth, I'm not, you don't need to answer).
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The most American solution is that everyone who avoids mandatory vaccines has their medical insurance canceled. And their hospital visits require cash upfront or no service at all, for those symptoms, plus extra charges for solitary containment requirements.
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On May 05 2025 06:14 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2025 06:10 Vivax wrote:
What do all these issues have to do with infectious disease eradication policies ?
Immigration matters to some extent.
What‘s bad for a collective can be very situational in the cae of that and the other points.
In the case of US pol it looks like Trump has ICE filling a quota so they get creative.
Abortions are bad because of Christian fundamentalists in the voter base. Same for gender related things because they haven‘t read of syndromology either and think in binary. If you justify coercion on the grounds of collective harm, then your framework applies to any domain where harm can be claimed: speech, immigration, sexual behavior, religion. You don’t get to invoke the collective when it suits your politics and retreat to individual rights when it doesn’t. You can say "it’s different," but I’m asking how (in truth, I'm not, you don't need to answer).
All of these areas are already regulated by their own framework so I‘m not sure what the point is, unless you get into specifics.
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On May 05 2025 05:14 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2025 04:17 Broetchenholer wrote:On May 05 2025 03:35 sevencck wrote:On May 02 2025 00:13 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2025 00:02 oBlade wrote:On May 01 2025 23:19 Doublemint wrote:U.S.-citizen family 'traumatized' after ICE raided their Oklahoma home in search of someone elseFederal immigration agents searched the home of a family in Oklahoma and seized their belongings when conducting a search warrant issued for someone else.
The U.S. citizen mother of three daughters said the family has been "traumatized" since they were wrongly subjected to a search and seizure warrant that had the names of the residents who previously lived in her Oklahoma City home.
“We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens,” the woman told KFOR, an NBC-affiliated local TV news station. “They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless."
According to KFOR, which first reported the story, the immigration agents raided the home last week. They had a search warrant for the home, but the suspects listed on the warrant were not living in the house anymore.
About 20 armed agents busted through the door in the middle of the night, KFOR reported.
At first, the mother didn't know who they were. “It was dark. All the lights were off,” she said. "My initial thought was we were being robbed — that my daughters, being females, were being kidnapped."
The mother, whose identity was not revealed and who KFOR referred to by the pseudonym "Marisa" in its reporting, told the TV station the men who entered her home identified themselves as federal agents with the U.S. Marshals Service, the Federal Bureau of Investigations and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
"The U.S. Marshal Service was not involved in the incident," Brady McCarron, deputy chief of public affairs at the United States Marshals Service, told NBC News in an email Tuesday.
'We didn't do anything'
A spokesperson for the FBI referred NBC News' request for comment to Homeland Security Investigations, an agency within the Department of Homeland Security that investigates criminal cases.
A senior DHS official confirmed to NBC News on Wednesday that ICE carried out "a court-authorized search warrant for a large-scale human smuggling investigation," involving eight Guatemalan nationals indicted in a federal case in the Northern District of Oklahoma.
“The search warrants included the location of an address where U.S. citizens recently moved. The previous residents were the intended targets," the official said.
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The mother and her daughters wrongly targeted had recently moved from Maryland, settling in the rented home in Oklahoma City just a couple of weeks ago — hoping for a slower, more affordable lifestyle, KFOR reported. The father was set to join the family in their new home this weekend.
Though none of the family members were the subjects of the warrant, federal agents raided their home and confiscated their belongings. They took their phones, laptops and all their cash savings as "evidence," KFOR reported.
"I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” the mother said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
“I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything," the mother added.
She said the agents ordered her and her daughters to step outside, even though it was raining and they barely were given time to put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments — her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear,” the woman told KFOR.
“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Before the agents left, the mother asked when could the family get their belongings back and they said it could be days or even months, KFOR reported.
DHS did not comment on how the mother described and characterized the actions of the agents. nothing to see here. just another happy little accident during the best 100 days of any presidency ever. golden era guys, why don't you smile? and say thank you to dear leader. The government should go through the full process of a complete investigation with getting warrants to respect due process and the rights of everyone involved. However, if that process takes so long that the criminals who were originally living in the house moved out resulting in the victimization of the innocent people who took their place, that's also the President's fault. Agreed, they're responsible for designing the process and ensuring that the process they design has sufficient resources to work as intended. The buck stops with them. They can't just say "we're not competent enough to follow the constitution so we shouldn't have to". Nice to see you on the side of civil liberties and the constitution for once. Oh, spare me. How did you feel about the unvaccinated again? You (liberals and leftists in general) prosecute your policy preferences as though we're at war with each other. Don't complain when you're met on the field you've chosen. So the position of you (right wingers) in general is that people should die of small pox because my body my choice or what? Oh wait, my body my choice is not applicable because the decision kills another human being, right. Guess vaccines don't prevent other people dying because of my decision over my body, so the argument does not count then. The COVID vaccines didn't stop the spread, and arguably did little to prevent death or disease. You don't respect the civil rights of others, so fine, lesson learned. Now we're going to have order.
It is extremely helpful when you voluntarily wear a neon sign saying "Don't take me seriously". Thank you.
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On May 05 2025 06:23 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2025 06:14 sevencck wrote:On May 05 2025 06:10 Vivax wrote:
What do all these issues have to do with infectious disease eradication policies ?
Immigration matters to some extent.
What‘s bad for a collective can be very situational in the cae of that and the other points.
In the case of US pol it looks like Trump has ICE filling a quota so they get creative.
Abortions are bad because of Christian fundamentalists in the voter base. Same for gender related things because they haven‘t read of syndromology either and think in binary. If you justify coercion on the grounds of collective harm, then your framework applies to any domain where harm can be claimed: speech, immigration, sexual behavior, religion. You don’t get to invoke the collective when it suits your politics and retreat to individual rights when it doesn’t. You can say "it’s different," but I’m asking how (in truth, I'm not, you don't need to answer). All of these areas are already regulated by their own framework so I‘m not sure what the point is, unless you get into specifics.
So were medical ethics. Frameworks are only as strong as the political will not to override them.
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On May 05 2025 05:14 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2025 04:17 Broetchenholer wrote:On May 05 2025 03:35 sevencck wrote:On May 02 2025 00:13 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2025 00:02 oBlade wrote:On May 01 2025 23:19 Doublemint wrote:U.S.-citizen family 'traumatized' after ICE raided their Oklahoma home in search of someone elseFederal immigration agents searched the home of a family in Oklahoma and seized their belongings when conducting a search warrant issued for someone else.
The U.S. citizen mother of three daughters said the family has been "traumatized" since they were wrongly subjected to a search and seizure warrant that had the names of the residents who previously lived in her Oklahoma City home.
“We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens,” the woman told KFOR, an NBC-affiliated local TV news station. “They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless."
According to KFOR, which first reported the story, the immigration agents raided the home last week. They had a search warrant for the home, but the suspects listed on the warrant were not living in the house anymore.
About 20 armed agents busted through the door in the middle of the night, KFOR reported.
At first, the mother didn't know who they were. “It was dark. All the lights were off,” she said. "My initial thought was we were being robbed — that my daughters, being females, were being kidnapped."
The mother, whose identity was not revealed and who KFOR referred to by the pseudonym "Marisa" in its reporting, told the TV station the men who entered her home identified themselves as federal agents with the U.S. Marshals Service, the Federal Bureau of Investigations and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
"The U.S. Marshal Service was not involved in the incident," Brady McCarron, deputy chief of public affairs at the United States Marshals Service, told NBC News in an email Tuesday.
'We didn't do anything'
A spokesperson for the FBI referred NBC News' request for comment to Homeland Security Investigations, an agency within the Department of Homeland Security that investigates criminal cases.
A senior DHS official confirmed to NBC News on Wednesday that ICE carried out "a court-authorized search warrant for a large-scale human smuggling investigation," involving eight Guatemalan nationals indicted in a federal case in the Northern District of Oklahoma.
“The search warrants included the location of an address where U.S. citizens recently moved. The previous residents were the intended targets," the official said.
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The mother and her daughters wrongly targeted had recently moved from Maryland, settling in the rented home in Oklahoma City just a couple of weeks ago — hoping for a slower, more affordable lifestyle, KFOR reported. The father was set to join the family in their new home this weekend.
Though none of the family members were the subjects of the warrant, federal agents raided their home and confiscated their belongings. They took their phones, laptops and all their cash savings as "evidence," KFOR reported.
"I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” the mother said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
“I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything," the mother added.
She said the agents ordered her and her daughters to step outside, even though it was raining and they barely were given time to put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments — her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear,” the woman told KFOR.
“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Before the agents left, the mother asked when could the family get their belongings back and they said it could be days or even months, KFOR reported.
DHS did not comment on how the mother described and characterized the actions of the agents. nothing to see here. just another happy little accident during the best 100 days of any presidency ever. golden era guys, why don't you smile? and say thank you to dear leader. The government should go through the full process of a complete investigation with getting warrants to respect due process and the rights of everyone involved. However, if that process takes so long that the criminals who were originally living in the house moved out resulting in the victimization of the innocent people who took their place, that's also the President's fault. Agreed, they're responsible for designing the process and ensuring that the process they design has sufficient resources to work as intended. The buck stops with them. They can't just say "we're not competent enough to follow the constitution so we shouldn't have to". Nice to see you on the side of civil liberties and the constitution for once. Oh, spare me. How did you feel about the unvaccinated again? You (liberals and leftists in general) prosecute your policy preferences as though we're at war with each other. Don't complain when you're met on the field you've chosen. So the position of you (right wingers) in general is that people should die of small pox because my body my choice or what? Oh wait, my body my choice is not applicable because the decision kills another human being, right. Guess vaccines don't prevent other people dying because of my decision over my body, so the argument does not count then. The COVID vaccines didn't stop the spread, and arguably did little to prevent death or disease. You don't respect the civil rights of others, so fine, lesson learned. Now we're going to have order.
You are clueless.
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That‘s not entirely wrong because covid still circulates and didn‘t get eradicated and the cause isn‘t obvious (vaccine inefficacy or virus mutating or a combination of both).
It‘s only a limited time window and a good amount of chance for how effective it is, but the best there is.
The map of the spread on wikipedia alone is insane.
You never know at which point one of the infections damages you the most.
Anyway, threatening someone with years of prison because they didn‘t want to sell stuff from a country is insane on principle. I have no idea how that can be considered a measure of a sane government.
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On May 05 2025 06:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2025 05:14 sevencck wrote:On May 05 2025 04:17 Broetchenholer wrote:On May 05 2025 03:35 sevencck wrote:On May 02 2025 00:13 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2025 00:02 oBlade wrote:On May 01 2025 23:19 Doublemint wrote:U.S.-citizen family 'traumatized' after ICE raided their Oklahoma home in search of someone elseFederal immigration agents searched the home of a family in Oklahoma and seized their belongings when conducting a search warrant issued for someone else.
The U.S. citizen mother of three daughters said the family has been "traumatized" since they were wrongly subjected to a search and seizure warrant that had the names of the residents who previously lived in her Oklahoma City home.
“We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens,” the woman told KFOR, an NBC-affiliated local TV news station. “They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless."
According to KFOR, which first reported the story, the immigration agents raided the home last week. They had a search warrant for the home, but the suspects listed on the warrant were not living in the house anymore.
About 20 armed agents busted through the door in the middle of the night, KFOR reported.
At first, the mother didn't know who they were. “It was dark. All the lights were off,” she said. "My initial thought was we were being robbed — that my daughters, being females, were being kidnapped."
The mother, whose identity was not revealed and who KFOR referred to by the pseudonym "Marisa" in its reporting, told the TV station the men who entered her home identified themselves as federal agents with the U.S. Marshals Service, the Federal Bureau of Investigations and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
"The U.S. Marshal Service was not involved in the incident," Brady McCarron, deputy chief of public affairs at the United States Marshals Service, told NBC News in an email Tuesday.
'We didn't do anything'
A spokesperson for the FBI referred NBC News' request for comment to Homeland Security Investigations, an agency within the Department of Homeland Security that investigates criminal cases.
A senior DHS official confirmed to NBC News on Wednesday that ICE carried out "a court-authorized search warrant for a large-scale human smuggling investigation," involving eight Guatemalan nationals indicted in a federal case in the Northern District of Oklahoma.
“The search warrants included the location of an address where U.S. citizens recently moved. The previous residents were the intended targets," the official said.
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The mother and her daughters wrongly targeted had recently moved from Maryland, settling in the rented home in Oklahoma City just a couple of weeks ago — hoping for a slower, more affordable lifestyle, KFOR reported. The father was set to join the family in their new home this weekend.
Though none of the family members were the subjects of the warrant, federal agents raided their home and confiscated their belongings. They took their phones, laptops and all their cash savings as "evidence," KFOR reported.
"I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” the mother said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
“I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything," the mother added.
She said the agents ordered her and her daughters to step outside, even though it was raining and they barely were given time to put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments — her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear,” the woman told KFOR.
“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Before the agents left, the mother asked when could the family get their belongings back and they said it could be days or even months, KFOR reported.
DHS did not comment on how the mother described and characterized the actions of the agents. nothing to see here. just another happy little accident during the best 100 days of any presidency ever. golden era guys, why don't you smile? and say thank you to dear leader. The government should go through the full process of a complete investigation with getting warrants to respect due process and the rights of everyone involved. However, if that process takes so long that the criminals who were originally living in the house moved out resulting in the victimization of the innocent people who took their place, that's also the President's fault. Agreed, they're responsible for designing the process and ensuring that the process they design has sufficient resources to work as intended. The buck stops with them. They can't just say "we're not competent enough to follow the constitution so we shouldn't have to". Nice to see you on the side of civil liberties and the constitution for once. Oh, spare me. How did you feel about the unvaccinated again? You (liberals and leftists in general) prosecute your policy preferences as though we're at war with each other. Don't complain when you're met on the field you've chosen. So the position of you (right wingers) in general is that people should die of small pox because my body my choice or what? Oh wait, my body my choice is not applicable because the decision kills another human being, right. Guess vaccines don't prevent other people dying because of my decision over my body, so the argument does not count then. The COVID vaccines didn't stop the spread, and arguably did little to prevent death or disease. You don't respect the civil rights of others, so fine, lesson learned. Now we're going to have order. It is extremely helpful when you voluntarily wear a neon sign saying "Don't take me seriously". Thank you.
Look, on the one hand we have literally a billion examples and on the other we don’t so really we can’t know if the vaccine helped.
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On May 05 2025 01:58 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2025 01:45 Doublemint wrote:On May 05 2025 01:36 Gorsameth wrote:On May 05 2025 01:17 Doublemint wrote:On May 05 2025 01:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 04 2025 23:59 Doublemint wrote:
1st amendment lawyers are gonna eat that one for breakfast Only the antisemitic ones of course. /s //edit: although here the orange menace is just not sure if he has to follow the constitution. so who knows anymore... Trump, asked if he has to 'uphold the Constitution,' says, 'I don't know'It is not disputed that Abrego Garcia entered the U.S. illegally or that the government could potentially deport him.
Trump insisted he was not defying the Supreme Court.
“No. I’m relying on the attorney general of the United States, Pam Bondi, who’s very capable, doing a great job. Because I’m not involved in the legality or the illegality,” he said. “I have lawyers to do that and that’s why I have a great DOJ.” rofl. masterful yet again. "the buck stops... wherever I point folks" -POTUS He's already violating the Constitution, so he's not wrong about it being unclear if anyone can/will stop him. I get the frustration, I really do. but I am actually rather hopeful for the first time since the election and all the horrible stuff that followed. the resistance is growing. and the courts will stop him. the alternative would be the end of the American experiment, and the end of their careers as judges. I would like to think they rather like their position and standing. and court battles take time... social media broke our brains with instant barrage of 24/7 noise basically. the courts will stop him? Has the WH stopped ignoring the courts while I wasn't looking? https://apnews.com/projects/trump-executive-order-lawsuit-tracker/again, it takes time. I would start worrying if the Supreme Court lets him have his way with some "new theory" or alternatively if they - collectively as in with the majority 5 to 4 or higher- rebuke his actions and he still feels the need to keep going. then you should actually worry in my humble estimation. it would be quite the escalation that would put us into murky waters. there is bending the law and breaking it, he is dangerously bending it as a politician so far. as a businessman he was exposed as a criminal... so the habit would be there for him to keep going the same direction. could be wrong of course. You point to courts saying 'don't' when I ask for for the WH just completely ignoring the courts. Like how the courts, including the SC, ordered Kilmar Garcia returned. How is that working out.
Surely you know that's not what they said? They very specifically didn't say that, because they knew they had no power to make it happen.
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On May 05 2025 07:17 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2025 01:58 Gorsameth wrote:On May 05 2025 01:45 Doublemint wrote:On May 05 2025 01:36 Gorsameth wrote:On May 05 2025 01:17 Doublemint wrote:On May 05 2025 01:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 04 2025 23:59 Doublemint wrote:
1st amendment lawyers are gonna eat that one for breakfast Only the antisemitic ones of course. /s //edit: although here the orange menace is just not sure if he has to follow the constitution. so who knows anymore... Trump, asked if he has to 'uphold the Constitution,' says, 'I don't know'It is not disputed that Abrego Garcia entered the U.S. illegally or that the government could potentially deport him.
Trump insisted he was not defying the Supreme Court.
“No. I’m relying on the attorney general of the United States, Pam Bondi, who’s very capable, doing a great job. Because I’m not involved in the legality or the illegality,” he said. “I have lawyers to do that and that’s why I have a great DOJ.” rofl. masterful yet again. "the buck stops... wherever I point folks" -POTUS He's already violating the Constitution, so he's not wrong about it being unclear if anyone can/will stop him. I get the frustration, I really do. but I am actually rather hopeful for the first time since the election and all the horrible stuff that followed. the resistance is growing. and the courts will stop him. the alternative would be the end of the American experiment, and the end of their careers as judges. I would like to think they rather like their position and standing. and court battles take time... social media broke our brains with instant barrage of 24/7 noise basically. the courts will stop him? Has the WH stopped ignoring the courts while I wasn't looking? https://apnews.com/projects/trump-executive-order-lawsuit-tracker/again, it takes time. I would start worrying if the Supreme Court lets him have his way with some "new theory" or alternatively if they - collectively as in with the majority 5 to 4 or higher- rebuke his actions and he still feels the need to keep going. then you should actually worry in my humble estimation. it would be quite the escalation that would put us into murky waters. there is bending the law and breaking it, he is dangerously bending it as a politician so far. as a businessman he was exposed as a criminal... so the habit would be there for him to keep going the same direction. could be wrong of course. You point to courts saying 'don't' when I ask for for the WH just completely ignoring the courts. Like how the courts, including the SC, ordered Kilmar Garcia returned. How is that working out. Surely you know that's not what they said? They very specifically didn't say that, because they knew they had no power to make it happen.
Didn't they say that Trump had to facilitate the release of Garcia? And isn't Trump doing nothing to facilitate the release of Garcia?
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On May 05 2025 07:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2025 07:17 Introvert wrote:On May 05 2025 01:58 Gorsameth wrote:On May 05 2025 01:45 Doublemint wrote:On May 05 2025 01:36 Gorsameth wrote:On May 05 2025 01:17 Doublemint wrote:On May 05 2025 01:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 04 2025 23:59 Doublemint wrote:
1st amendment lawyers are gonna eat that one for breakfast Only the antisemitic ones of course. /s //edit: although here the orange menace is just not sure if he has to follow the constitution. so who knows anymore... Trump, asked if he has to 'uphold the Constitution,' says, 'I don't know'It is not disputed that Abrego Garcia entered the U.S. illegally or that the government could potentially deport him.
Trump insisted he was not defying the Supreme Court.
“No. I’m relying on the attorney general of the United States, Pam Bondi, who’s very capable, doing a great job. Because I’m not involved in the legality or the illegality,” he said. “I have lawyers to do that and that’s why I have a great DOJ.” rofl. masterful yet again. "the buck stops... wherever I point folks" -POTUS He's already violating the Constitution, so he's not wrong about it being unclear if anyone can/will stop him. I get the frustration, I really do. but I am actually rather hopeful for the first time since the election and all the horrible stuff that followed. the resistance is growing. and the courts will stop him. the alternative would be the end of the American experiment, and the end of their careers as judges. I would like to think they rather like their position and standing. and court battles take time... social media broke our brains with instant barrage of 24/7 noise basically. the courts will stop him? Has the WH stopped ignoring the courts while I wasn't looking? https://apnews.com/projects/trump-executive-order-lawsuit-tracker/again, it takes time. I would start worrying if the Supreme Court lets him have his way with some "new theory" or alternatively if they - collectively as in with the majority 5 to 4 or higher- rebuke his actions and he still feels the need to keep going. then you should actually worry in my humble estimation. it would be quite the escalation that would put us into murky waters. there is bending the law and breaking it, he is dangerously bending it as a politician so far. as a businessman he was exposed as a criminal... so the habit would be there for him to keep going the same direction. could be wrong of course. You point to courts saying 'don't' when I ask for for the WH just completely ignoring the courts. Like how the courts, including the SC, ordered Kilmar Garcia returned. How is that working out. Surely you know that's not what they said? They very specifically didn't say that, because they knew they had no power to make it happen. Didn't they say that Trump had to facilitate the release of Garcia? And isn't Trump doing nothing to facilitate the release of Garcia?
Trump literally said they would send him back if he asked. I don't know why his cultists always double down after he self-incriminates. Trump himself always ruins their defense of him.
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