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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44276 Posts
On April 12 2025 19:14 Timebon3s wrote: Sorry if it’s off topic to not bitch and whine about everything in this godforsaken thread, but this parody (if you can even call it that) is pretty funny. Phenomenally accurate reenactment! | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8505 Posts
On April 12 2025 09:11 Razyda wrote: Bolded - so farcical... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism "Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims." https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism "terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." elaborate if you were so kind. in case you are debate lording which seems a high probability... I'll bite. how is it the definitions fault that the richest man on the planet is also allowed to make decisions on the highest level of US politics. checks and balances are there for a reason, people not understanding it is unfortunate though not unexpected given the trajectory of libraries closing and tiktok stars rising. in a sane world people would have, well... "reacted" way earlier after their loved ones drowned or burned to death because of absurd design decisions of the Teslas. + Show Spoiler + Tesla Vehicles’ Manual Release Mechanisms: Not Intuitive Tesla vehicles are equipped with manual release mechanisms for emergencies, but their functionality and accessibility vary significantly across different models. In most Tesla models, including the Model S, Model 3, and Model Y, manual door release levers are located near the door handles or within the door panels. For the front doors, these levers are generally easy to access; for instance, the Model 3 and Model Y feature mechanical release levers on the front doors, allowing occupants to manually unlock the doors if the electronic systems fail. However, the rear doors present more challenges. In some Model Y vehicles, for example, the manual release mechanism requires users to remove a floor mat and access a hidden release tab, a procedure that may not be intuitive or practical during high-pressure situations like a fire. Such a design complicates escape for rear passengers who might be unfamiliar with the mechanism’s location, especially when time is critical. Despite efforts by Tesla to educate owners through manuals and emergency response guides, the placement and design of these manual releases remain points of concern. Occupants who are unfamiliar with their vehicle’s safety features may struggle to locate or operate these mechanisms during emergencies. Critics argue that while Tesla has included these safety measures, their complexity and inconsistent placement across models could hinder effective escape in a crisis. For instance, the Model 3 only has manual release mechanisms for the front doors, making it impossible for rear-seat passengers to exit manually if power fails. In the Model X, the rear door manual release requires users to remove a speaker grille, making it even less accessible during emergencies. These limitations have led to reports of individuals being trapped in Tesla vehicles during power failures or accidents. Critics suggest that Tesla should redesign these features to enhance accessibility or provide clearer, more visible guidance for owners and passengers. Although Tesla emphasizes that these manual releases are meant only for situations when electronic systems fail, many believe that the current setup may still not meet optimal safety standards. While the company has made efforts to inform users through manuals, the onus often falls on owners to familiarize themselves with these features to prevent potentially dangerous situations. The manual release mechanisms in Tesla’s Model Y, as shown in the images, reveal potential safety issues during emergencies, especially when the vehicle catches fire. While Tesla has designed these features as a safety measure, their complexity and location raise concerns about their usability in high-stress scenarios. or losing their lives having faith in FDS which has been around the corner since... well who even knows at this point. couple years even before the pandemic. Elon going into politics is exactly because of the above - literally. he gutted consumer protection agencies and the NHTSA which has been investigating him and his car's faults - which verifiably tend to crash more often and in return cost people lives. wasn't there also something with the SEC which got stopped in its tracks? regulatory capture done right you might say. and I am not even mentioning SpaceX/Starlink where he sucks on the government's teats for the longest time and the foreseeable future. the most secure revenue stream known to mankind. how are people supposed to react at this point? people are like the current. seeking the path of least resistance. for elmo it is giving 250+mio. to get the influence he craves because he simply has such an amount in his sock drawer. and making Twitter unusable as the algorithm is way more skewed than it has ever been. instead of facing the music and improving his cars. in ordinary people's case it is hitting him in the swasticar, boycotting and... well going overboard burning them. though hopefully keeping it civil and protesting the sad state of affairs for the most part. | ||
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Billyboy
1010 Posts
On April 12 2025 13:51 Jockmcplop wrote: The complete destruction of the global capitalist system. Boom! 3.5 percent sign up, 100% of those go on strike for some length of time, global capitalism falls apart, utopia replaces it. The concept of a plan folks! On April 12 2025 14:08 BlackJack wrote: The fact you’re even asking for the demands before signing up proves you’re just some status-quo genocide-enabling pissant and not a true revolutionary socialist Dang it, I failed the purity test. I'm just not cut out for these faith based movements. Edit: anyone know if there is any reasoning behind the 3.5 percent number? And anyone have any experience in how many people would need to sign a online form to have enough to follow through. Like would you need 10% of the population to sign up to get 3.5% to follow through? Edit 2" found this for my first question. Not sure on second. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world | ||
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Vivax
21972 Posts
You need a capitalism where corporations don‘t invent the means to skirt on regulations and outgrow the pre-existing order in technical capabilities. And then there‘s this bad boy, *points at Trump*, who loves exactly to help them achieve that. ‚I could shoot someone in the middle of town and get away with it‘ This is the charismatic leader everyone always wanted to lead US hegemony. | ||
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Billyboy
1010 Posts
An estimated 15 to 26 million people participated in Black Lives Matter protests in the United States, making it one of the largest protest movements in the country's history. Despite being characterized by opponents as violent, the overwhelming majority of BLM demonstrations have been peaceful. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20xn626y81o US President Donald Trump's administration has exempted smartphones and computers from reciprocal tariffs, including the 125% levies imposed on Chinese imports. US Customs and Border Patrol published a notice late on Friday explaining the goods would be excluded from Trump's 10% global tariff on most countries and the much larger Chinese import tax. The move comes after concerns from US tech companies that the price of gadgets could skyrocket, as many of them are made in China. The exemptions also include other electronic devices and components, including semiconductors, solar cells and memory cards. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway690 Posts
So China will win this now, right? | ||
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Legan
Finland402 Posts
On April 12 2025 23:47 Dan HH wrote: So finished electronics and components are exempt now but commodities are not and this is somehow supposed to help stateside manufacturing. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20xn626y81o Of course, this helps. Everyone in the USA wants to work in a sweatshop. Cutting education and social services and lifting child labour restrictions ensure that factories are fully staffed. Putting more people in prison will allow the government to lease some slaves, too. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9646 Posts
On April 12 2025 22:42 Billyboy wrote: Boom! 3.5 percent sign up, 100% of those go on strike for some length of time, global capitalism falls apart, utopia replaces it. The concept of a plan folks! I'm kinda serious though. If you're going to go on a general strike, you might as well aim big. | ||
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Billyboy
1010 Posts
On April 13 2025 00:10 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm kinda serious though. If you're going to go on a general strike, you might as well aim big. Its a fine end goal. Just right now the plan is get 11 million Americans to sign a petition, go on general strike, yadda yadda yadda, end of global capitalism. This will likely work as well as Trumps "concepts of a plan". | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
On April 12 2025 23:52 Timebon3s wrote: So I guess USA is the first to back down on the trade war. So China will win this now, right? They had already won regardless. The rest of the world is forced to work more closely with China and turn more of a blind eye to their quirks now that a superpower has left the adult table. The biggest loss for the US is the loss of trust. And that's not just external, even in the US this announcement of a great switch to manufacturing was not followed by a run on commodities, no one took it seriously and they can't have because Trump had previously flip flopped 20 times with Mexico and Canada. This is not a serious administration, this is not how you plan a serious policy shift. There was no point for companies to even start studying feasibility when conditions dramatically change multiple times per week. And outside of it, the #1 priority for everyone else now is disentangling from the US. There's a parallel to be made here with Russia's actions. When they took Crimea everyone wanted to just shove it under the carpet and move on as if nothing happened hoping it's just a solitary glitch. When the full-scale invasion of Ukraine happened it was obvious that the painful process of disentangling from Russia had to begin in earnest. Trump 1 was the first attack on rationality, we were all hoping it's a short phase, they're trying something else and they see it doesn't work out and learn from that experience. That didn't happen, Trump 2 is a full-scale assault on reason and competence and the world has to take steps to work around them until they see the US can go a couple of decades without the worst among them steering the ship. But the before times are not coming back, demographics and infrastructure will have shifted too much. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23220 Posts
On April 12 2025 16:54 Acrofales wrote: Is it? Here is you: You seem ready to "push back against any anti-education policies". And you think other professionals could also push back. How do you think you and they should "push back"? Do you think that refusing to work on those anti-education policies is a form of pushing back? Or is that too radical? Is the most pushback you'd support to change your Facebook page (like Kwark is ironically suggesting)? Or should they voice their concern to their superior while collaborating on implementing the, and I repeat, *anti-education* policies these educators are asked to implement? Or is even voicing that concern to your superior too personally risky, and calling for pushback on a gaming forum is about the extent of your rebelliousness? For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume that the pushback against *anti-education* policies that, as an educator, you would personally be willing to commit to is to lay down your work until those policies are reversed. Now, let's imagine another government employee. Maybe a park ranger who knows nothing about education policy. They are happy to believe you that Linda McMahon is generally incompetent and her policies should be reversed, but don't really know or care too much about specifics. Nor do they feel their own striking would send a very clear message about education policy. However they do feel empowered to push back on fracking in national parks? For instance, by not doing the work they were hired to do, when that work has changed from "work to protect the nature in the park" to "accompany prospectors to find the best places to frac"? So there are educators ready to strike for education policy and park rangers ready to strike for environmental policy. Now for the private sector. Laying down your job at Meta, Ford, Walmart, your local small store, isn't going to have that same direct impact: you don't want something at your job to change, but you are generally fed up with most of what this government is doing and want general change. Maybe your primary concern is to reverse the tariffs, or you're afraid of being picked up off the street and being deported as an American citizen and without due process. Or you don't want a Nazi-saluting technocrat feeding your tax information into whatever AI he's using to decide whether you are a good citizen? Or you oppose cozying up to Russia and dropping support to Ukraine? Or you support your educators' fight against anti-education policies. But the overarching demand is that you want to hold your government accountable and meet your basic needs, even if everyone has slightly different basic needs, in the same way the park rangers and educators above do. Now, all of these groups could start organising their individual strikes, which the powers that be would deal with individually and you might not even hear about that strike in the news. Or they could realise that a lot of what they want is generally the same, and band together in a general strike. That strike, when it starts, may not have any specific demands. Occupy didn't. They were just really angry people who lost their livelihood overnight and wanted people to be held accountable and their basic needs met. The specific demands came way later. The same for mass protests in Brazil before the football world cup and Rio Olympics. It all started because the price of public transport was raised in Rio. Do you think people in Porto Alegre were on the streets because of the price of a bus ticket 2000km away? The Arab spring started over some Tunisian street vendor setting himself on fire in response to the government confiscating his stuff. Now, do I personally believe signing up in advance to https://generalstrikeus.com/ , so that when there's 3m signaturories there, they can start shaping the specific demands, is the way to organize this kind of mass protest? No. I think it's a bit ridiculous. I support it, and wish it the best, but that isn't the way any protests ever have started. But the general sentiment to be ready to go out on the streets in support of the people when something somewhere sparks enough outrage for a local protest is good. I personally would've thought the increasingly alarming price of eggs would be a good thing to latch onto and start protesting. Or the deportation of an innocent man to an El Salvador jail. Or any of a large number of evil things the government has demonstrably done, which would each have been plenty to send most Europeans out into the street. But then again, we haven't forgotten how to strike and protest for what we want from our governments. Even if that something isn't always too clearly defined from the start (just look at the gilettes jaunes). So maybe the way it works in the US is through a change.org style petition, until there's a critical mass. I don't know. But I know ridiculing that support is definitely the opposite of what I'd be doing as an American. Think this is an excellent post that doesn't deserve to be ignored. That said, I'd like to try something different from what usually happens. Instead of shitting on each others ideas/posts destructively, let's try to constructively build something. This question/conversation is open to anyone that wants to stop the Trump administration's worst actions. I implore all of those people to put their personal animosities aside and try. Let's start with 1 "must have", 1 "wants", and 1 "deal breaker no" (you can do as many as you'd like but they should probably be mostly "wants" by proportion) What would a General Strike you would support demand? I'll start: Must Have: The return of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia Want: The protection of Mahmoud Khalil's rights. Deal Breaker No: More police funding/cop cities Now you (EDIT: The 'you' here is DPB since that might not have been clear) (or anyone else that wants to stop Trump's worst actions) go | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44276 Posts
On April 12 2025 16:54 Acrofales wrote: Is it? Here is you: You seem ready to "push back against any anti-education policies". And you think other professionals could also push back. How do you think you and they should "push back"? Do you think that refusing to work on those anti-education policies is a form of pushing back? Or is that too radical? Is the most pushback you'd support to change your Facebook page (like Kwark is ironically suggesting)? Or should they voice their concern to their superior while collaborating on implementing the, and I repeat, *anti-education* policies these educators are asked to implement? Or is even voicing that concern to your superior too personally risky, and calling for pushback on a gaming forum is about the extent of your rebelliousness? I already answered those questions in the later post that you didn't respond to: https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=4922#98428 It depends on multiple factors. For example, it may depend on how harmful the policy is. It may also depend on the individual - how willing/able they are to risk certain consequences (being reprimanded, being fired, being able to find a new job, being able to still support themselves and their family financially, etc.). I had written that "some people may have different approaches (publicly protesting, secretly resisting, doing the bare minimum to cover their own butt from a semantics perspective, etc.)" and I think that's true too. There probably isn't a perfect way to protest or a universal way to voice your displeasure about a policy that you don't agree with, because of how nuanced these situations can be. For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume that the pushback against *anti-education* policies that, as an educator, you would personally be willing to commit to is to lay down your work until those policies are reversed. There are some that I would, and there are some that I wouldn't. As I mentioned several times before: it depends. For example, let's suppose that Donald Trump signed a piece of paper that said "Math teachers need to say that pi equals 3". That's a pretty dumb and obviously anti-education thing for Trump to force onto educators, but there are ways to exploit a trivial loophole and technically check off that "I officially said that pi equals 3" box, without needing to undermine basic math education, or refuse to teach altogether, or completely quit my job. I would, instead, use a different strategy I listed, which would be "doing the bare minimum to cover their own butt from a semantics perspective", and I would try to mold this weird Trump-enforced limitation into learning experiences for my students: - It would not be hard to say "pi equals 3... after rounding to the nearest whole number", and then we could have a discussion on different sets of numbers (whole numbers vs. integers vs. rationals vs. irrationals vs. reals), and talk about the pros and cons of rounding and estimation. - It would also not be hard to have students use string, a ruler, and a circle to calculate pi on their own (1. measure the circumference; 2. measure the diameter; 3. divide them), and then ask them "How would you respond to me if I told you: 'pi equals 3'?". See, I just technically said "pi equals 3". They could even confirm a more precise value of pi with a calculator or computer, and we could have a meaningful discussion about ways to compute pi, and how it's not simply based on what one person dictates (whether that's me or Trump or anyone else). - Or, depending on how sassy I feel, I might transparently tell my students that Trump is forcing me to say "pi equals 3" even though it's incorrect (or maybe I'll just have them read an article that reports that, if I'm not allowed to technically say that to my students), and maybe I'll make it extremely clear, with several eye-winks, that we're now going to call the π symbol "cake" instead of "pie", or perhaps "ice cream" or whatever other dessert a student wants. And, quite frankly, the label itself isn't particularly relevant; the mathematical value of pi doesn't come from its name anyway, and we could probably have a fun, creative discussion evolving from that. I can still make sure my students learn what they need to learn about pi. On the other hand, if Trump signed a piece of paper that insisted that female students (or gay students, or students of color, etc.) are no longer allowed to learn any math in math classrooms - that math teachers inside their classrooms can only teach students who are white/male/straight/cis/whatever, and that other demographics aren't allowed - then you'd better believe that we'll be protesting and refusing to teach anyone in the classroom. And then I'd be holding free tutoring sessions over Zoom (or some other platform) where any student can join, and I'd make sure that I educate everyone virtually, since it can't be done properly in the classroom anymore. Not all teachers have the time or financial ability to do that though. I don't think Trump would try to enforce either of these two anti-education extremes, but these are just to show that not all policies and not all responses are going to be identical. It depends on the circumstances and the individuals. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1924 Posts
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Billyboy
1010 Posts
On April 13 2025 02:15 Broetchenholer wrote: Ahahaha, tariffs are so great, we want them so much. Wait, a smartphone now costs what?!?! Tariffs need to be removed, art of the deal. Has nobody explained trump what other goods are produced in China? I'm sure like most everything it has been explained to Trump repeatedly, but sadly between the arrogance, lack of horse power and attention span, he is unable to grasp it. Like how he still seems to think that people who are in the US for political asylum are insane. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2609 Posts
This time, US bond yields go up. Japan and China are quietly ditching US bonds. As in, they aren't trying to crash them they are getting out. European allies (Germany in particular) is getting twitchy about storing their gold reserves in New York. I heard a stat (don't know if it's true) that 98% of the countries that reach a government debt/gdp ratio of 130% default. It's mainly about trust in the US in this point but it's insane that Trump has been in office for a few months and the rest of the world is now unsure if the US is going to default on their debt. All the man had to do was tariff China and do some select strategic tariffs on other countries, don't do all of the tax cuts (brings down stock markets, lower stock yields, higher revenue) and do the cuts to federal government. With low employment, lowering inflation and general positive outlook; if Trump had reversed the deficit like Clinton the economic success would have been huge. And here we are. | ||
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Yurie
11822 Posts
On April 13 2025 05:35 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: Normally when the economy goes down (and particularly the stock market) bond yields go down. It's logical. This time, US bond yields go up. Japan and China are quietly ditching US bonds. As in, they aren't trying to crash them they are getting out. European allies (Germany in particular) is getting twitchy about storing their gold reserves in New York. I heard a stat (don't know if it's true) that 98% of the countries that reach a government debt/gdp ratio of 130% default. It's mainly about trust in the US in this point but it's insane that Trump has been in office for a few months and the rest of the world is now unsure if the US is going to default on their debt. All the man had to do was tariff China and do some select strategic tariffs on other countries, don't do all of the tax cuts (brings down stock markets, lower stock yields, higher revenue) and do the cuts to federal government. With low employment, lowering inflation and general positive outlook; if Trump had reversed the deficit like Clinton the economic success would have been huge. And here we are. Generally speaking republicans increase the deficit. If you want it to decrease you pick a democrat with a policy of that type. This time both candidates would increase the deficit based on their policy, but Trump is likely to do it more unless he changes something compared to his first term. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17982 Posts
On April 13 2025 00:53 GreenHorizons wrote: Think this is an excellent post that doesn't deserve to be ignored. That said, I'd like to try something different from what usually happens. Instead of shitting on each others ideas/posts destructively, let's try to constructively build something. This question/conversation is open to anyone that wants to stop the Trump administration's worst actions. I implore all of those people to put their personal animosities aside and try. Let's start with 1 "must have", 1 "wants", and 1 "deal breaker no" (you can do as many as you'd like but they should probably be mostly "wants" by proportion) What would a General Strike you would support demand? I'll start: Must Have: The return of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia Want: The protection of Mahmoud Khalil's rights. Deal Breaker No: More police funding/cop cities Now you (EDIT: The 'you' here is DPB since that might not have been clear) (or anyone else that wants to stop Trump's worst actions) go Here: Must have: immediate removal of Musk from governmental position, a cease and desist on all Doge activity and a special investigation into what they have done. It could maybe be continued again with proper congressional control, similar to other departments. Wants: 1. Removal of state of emergency and rollback of economic executive overreach. 2. Immediate cease and desist on extra-judicial deportations. Deal breaker no: military support of Israel. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10494 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9193 Posts
As of 2020, over half of the members of Congress were millionaires and the median net worth of members was approximately $1 million. This doesn't seem suspicious to me. | ||
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