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On April 13 2025 07:53 BlackJack wrote:
Striking for some temporary victories that only treat the symptoms seems like a waste of time. If you want lasting change ask for things like term limits in Congress, banning politicians from trading stocks, overturning citizens united, etc. Getting rid of the boomers that have made being a politician a lifelong grift would get you more in the long run than any single-issue ask.
"Waste of time" is harsher than I'd go with, but I generally agree. I would personally be on board with a general strike that demanded stuff like that. Hopefully someone else that also thinks demands like those are important, and is willing to support/join a general strike that demands some combination of them, is willing to contribute to our constructive effort here.
I don't expect people to make comprehensive lists, or even automatically pick what they think is most important or whatever. I'm just trying to help describe what a General Strike that TL political posters/lurkers would join/support would demand.
As a small point of clarification, on the "deal breaker no" that's as a demand. So I would be saying "more police funding/cop cities" couldn't be a demand of a general strike I'd support, if that makes sense to everyone?
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I think you would be best to go with systemic changes.
No more dark money and donation limits.
Proportional representation.
More anti corruption laws (including Sent.'s point on stock trading)
If you go with things that are obviously anti capitalist you are going to lose like 80% of the population. If you just try to fix politics and the political system, you could maybe get people from all over the spectrum that are feeling unheard.
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On April 13 2025 07:20 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2025 00:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 12 2025 16:54 Acrofales wrote:On April 12 2025 12:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 12 2025 10:55 Billyboy wrote:
Does anyone know the specific demands of the strike? I feel like its a really important part. I agree that this would be necessary to know beforehand. Is it? Here is you: On April 12 2025 00:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 12 2025 00:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 12 2025 00:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Donald Trump's Secretary of Education (Linda McMahon) is desperately trying to one-up Trump's other Secretary of Education (Betsy DeVos) in just how uneducated the Secretary of Education can possibly be. Linda McMahon recently thought "A.I." (artificial intelligence) was actually "A1"... like the steak sauce: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6QL0c5BbCR4 This embarrassment even led the A1 steak sauce brand to make posts and ads making fun of her: https://qz.com/linda-mcmahon-artificial-intelligence-ai-a-1-1851775785 The Republican party's vision has always been "If we create a dysfunctional and useless government, then we can convince people that all government is dysfunctional and useless", and that philosophy has been epitomized by Trump's quest to close down the Department of Education by making it implode with disastrous anti-education decisions like appointing DeVos and McMahon to be leaders of the DoE. The questions posts like these always beg are "What are you going to do about it?" and "What do you want us to do about it?" AFAICT the answer to both of those is mock and gawk at it along with you. If I'm wrong, I'd love to be shown how. Immediately: Teachers and other people working at public schools could push back against any anti-education policies that are being dictated by Trump/McMahon, just as how other professionals could push back when their profession is being undermined by Trump/Musk/whoever. Those are things that could be done right away / during Trump's term, and non-educators could certainly spread the word and voice their support for better education reform too. Future: It's also not a terrible idea to compile instances of Trump's crew being against education or against whatever supposedly appeals to potential voters. When it comes time for the next election, tailoring a persuasive argument based on whatever the group claims to be a top issue for them (even if it's not education) includes being able to list reasons why your candidate is pro-that-issue and list reasons why the opposing candidates are anti-that-issue. (Not knowing the difference between artificial intelligence and steak sauce is obviously a far less significant embarrassment, but there is plenty of substantive ammunition one could point to, to make the case that Trump/Republicans are anti-education during the midterm elections, during the next presidential election, etc.) You seem ready to "push back against any anti-education policies". And you think other professionals could also push back. How do you think you and they should "push back"? Do you think that refusing to work on those anti-education policies is a form of pushing back? Or is that too radical? Is the most pushback you'd support to change your Facebook page (like Kwark is ironically suggesting)? Or should they voice their concern to their superior while collaborating on implementing the, and I repeat, *anti-education* policies these educators are asked to implement? Or is even voicing that concern to your superior too personally risky, and calling for pushback on a gaming forum is about the extent of your rebelliousness? For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume that the pushback against *anti-education* policies that, as an educator, you would personally be willing to commit to is to lay down your work until those policies are reversed. Now, let's imagine another government employee. Maybe a park ranger who knows nothing about education policy. They are happy to believe you that Linda McMahon is generally incompetent and her policies should be reversed, but don't really know or care too much about specifics. Nor do they feel their own striking would send a very clear message about education policy. However they do feel empowered to push back on fracking in national parks? For instance, by not doing the work they were hired to do, when that work has changed from "work to protect the nature in the park" to "accompany prospectors to find the best places to frac"? So there are educators ready to strike for education policy and park rangers ready to strike for environmental policy. Now for the private sector. Laying down your job at Meta, Ford, Walmart, your local small store, isn't going to have that same direct impact: you don't want something at your job to change, but you are generally fed up with most of what this government is doing and want general change. Maybe your primary concern is to reverse the tariffs, or you're afraid of being picked up off the street and being deported as an American citizen and without due process. Or you don't want a Nazi-saluting technocrat feeding your tax information into whatever AI he's using to decide whether you are a good citizen? Or you oppose cozying up to Russia and dropping support to Ukraine? Or you support your educators' fight against anti-education policies. But the overarching demand is that you want to hold your government accountable and meet your basic needs, even if everyone has slightly different basic needs, in the same way the park rangers and educators above do. Now, all of these groups could start organising their individual strikes, which the powers that be would deal with individually and you might not even hear about that strike in the news. Or they could realise that a lot of what they want is generally the same, and band together in a general strike. That strike, when it starts, may not have any specific demands. Occupy didn't. They were just really angry people who lost their livelihood overnight and wanted people to be held accountable and their basic needs met. The specific demands came way later. The same for mass protests in Brazil before the football world cup and Rio Olympics. It all started because the price of public transport was raised in Rio. Do you think people in Porto Alegre were on the streets because of the price of a bus ticket 2000km away? The Arab spring started over some Tunisian street vendor setting himself on fire in response to the government confiscating his stuff. Now, do I personally believe signing up in advance to https://generalstrikeus.com/ , so that when there's 3m signaturories there, they can start shaping the specific demands, is the way to organize this kind of mass protest? No. I think it's a bit ridiculous. I support it, and wish it the best, but that isn't the way any protests ever have started. But the general sentiment to be ready to go out on the streets in support of the people when something somewhere sparks enough outrage for a local protest is good. I personally would've thought the increasingly alarming price of eggs would be a good thing to latch onto and start protesting. Or the deportation of an innocent man to an El Salvador jail. Or any of a large number of evil things the government has demonstrably done, which would each have been plenty to send most Europeans out into the street. But then again, we haven't forgotten how to strike and protest for what we want from our governments. Even if that something isn't always too clearly defined from the start (just look at the gilettes jaunes). So maybe the way it works in the US is through a change.org style petition, until there's a critical mass. I don't know. But I know ridiculing that support is definitely the opposite of what I'd be doing as an American. Think this is an excellent post that doesn't deserve to be ignored. That said, I'd like to try something different from what usually happens. Instead of shitting on each others ideas/posts destructively, let's try to constructively build something. This question/conversation is open to anyone that wants to stop the Trump administration's worst actions. I implore all of those people to put their personal animosities aside and try. Let's start with 1 "must have", 1 "wants", and 1 "deal breaker no" (you can do as many as you'd like but they should probably be mostly "wants" by proportion) What would a General Strike you would support demand? I'll start: Must Have: The return of Kilmar Armando Abrego GarciaWant: The protection of Mahmoud Khalil's rights. Deal Breaker No: More police funding/cop citiesNow you (EDIT: The 'you' here is DPB since that might not have been clear) (or anyone else that wants to stop Trump's worst actions) go Here: Must have: immediate removal of Musk from governmental position, a cease and desist on all Doge activity and a special investigation into what they have done. It could maybe be continued again with proper congressional control, similar to other departments. Wants: 1. Removal of state of emergency and rollback of economic executive overreach. 2. Immediate cease and desist on extra-judicial deportations. Deal breaker no: military support of Israel. Now we're cooking!
General Strike Demands (under construction, in no particular order):
Must Haves:
1. Immediate removal of Musk from gov, Doge cease and desist with special investigation
2. Immediate return of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia
Wants:
1. Removal of state of emergency and rollback of economic executive overreach.
2. Immediate cease and desist on extra-judicial deportations.
3. The protection of Mahmoud Khalil's rights
Deal Breaker No/Can't Demand:
1. Military support of Israel.
2. More police funding/cop cities
In the spirit of being constructive, I think it's useful for people to add some of their own demands before requesting that others change/drop their own demands.
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On April 12 2025 20:13 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2025 09:11 Razyda wrote:On April 11 2025 19:16 Doublemint wrote:On April 11 2025 14:49 EnDeR_ wrote:On April 11 2025 14:11 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 05:31 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2025 04:13 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 02:40 Dan HH wrote:
I'm less concerned with corpo shitbags trying to make numbers go up no matter the circumstances, than I am with all the videos of gleeful smirking ICE agents that look like they were all just itching for someone to give them permission to act on their intrusive thoughts. They're not just following orders, this is like Chrismas for sociopaths. I am more concerned with people who skirt the rules to line their own pockets, destroy small businesses to build transnational untouchable conglomerates whose #1 concerns are cheap exploitable labor and dependent consumer classes, than the facial expressions of people who enforce the law against brazen and systemic trampling of it. What is the law worth when Trump just pardons people who side with him or run darknet market operations because it makes people buy crypto ? Try besieging the Austrian parliament and breaking stuff in it and see who pardons you. Vandalize the seat of US power = pardon Burn cars = Terrorism It‘s comical how the US is currently run. It already was on his first term but it wasn‘t as obvious. Dude has a Russian visum in the drawer. I have to exercise a lot of restraint on the daily to not take a fat crap over the situation. Case in point. Maybe mass burning cars that are targeted based on the politics of the head of the company to induce fear would best be classified a youthful mistake? A tragic accident? Protected political speech? Mere hooliganism? Burning a couple of cars is small potatoes compared to getting into Congress looking to hang politicians. Just saying. yes. is it good that property is damaged or destroyed? no. but there are laws on the docket already, going full gung ho on "tesla burners", categorizing them as terrorists does not even muster comical. it's farcical. people are pissed, and addressing the underlying reasons is key for lasting peace and good governance. having the richest person on the planet destroying government programs ordinary people rely on... to survive... is so far beyond the pale. mind bending stuff. doge and their leader then lied about massive fraud in the federal government, while being asked about it could not substantiate/verify anything. and to top it off mr. ketamine/elmo then has the gall to act like the cringelord he is at CPAC with his chainsawbrother + Show Spoiler +and some wanna tell me people being pissed at that are the problem? I heard it once said that the "US is a developing nation with a gucci belt". how it is being run kinda fits the bill. more good news... 73% of Americans are financially stressed. Two-thirds say tariff concerns are the source: CNBC surveyU.S. Budget Deficit Widens to $1.3 Trillion as Interest on Public Debt Hits Recordand for what exactly? what was achieved or is in the process of being achieved by the best people to ever lead, being led by the leader of leaders? if those are the collateral costs? Bolded - so farcical... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims." https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism"terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." elaborate if you were so kind. in case you are debate lording which seems a high probability... I'll bite. how is it the definitions fault that the richest man on the planet is also allowed to make decisions on the highest level of US politics. checks and balances are there for a reason, people not understanding it is unfortunate though not unexpected given the trajectory of libraries closing and tiktok stars rising. in a sane world people would have, well... "reacted" way earlier after their loved ones drowned or burned to death because of absurd design decisions of the Teslas. + Show Spoiler +Tesla Vehicles’ Manual Release Mechanisms: Not Intuitive
Tesla vehicles are equipped with manual release mechanisms for emergencies, but their functionality and accessibility vary significantly across different models. In most Tesla models, including the Model S, Model 3, and Model Y, manual door release levers are located near the door handles or within the door panels. For the front doors, these levers are generally easy to access; for instance, the Model 3 and Model Y feature mechanical release levers on the front doors, allowing occupants to manually unlock the doors if the electronic systems fail.
However, the rear doors present more challenges. In some Model Y vehicles, for example, the manual release mechanism requires users to remove a floor mat and access a hidden release tab, a procedure that may not be intuitive or practical during high-pressure situations like a fire. Such a design complicates escape for rear passengers who might be unfamiliar with the mechanism’s location, especially when time is critical.
Despite efforts by Tesla to educate owners through manuals and emergency response guides, the placement and design of these manual releases remain points of concern. Occupants who are unfamiliar with their vehicle’s safety features may struggle to locate or operate these mechanisms during emergencies. Critics argue that while Tesla has included these safety measures, their complexity and inconsistent placement across models could hinder effective escape in a crisis.
For instance, the Model 3 only has manual release mechanisms for the front doors, making it impossible for rear-seat passengers to exit manually if power fails. In the Model X, the rear door manual release requires users to remove a speaker grille, making it even less accessible during emergencies. These limitations have led to reports of individuals being trapped in Tesla vehicles during power failures or accidents.
Critics suggest that Tesla should redesign these features to enhance accessibility or provide clearer, more visible guidance for owners and passengers. Although Tesla emphasizes that these manual releases are meant only for situations when electronic systems fail, many believe that the current setup may still not meet optimal safety standards. While the company has made efforts to inform users through manuals, the onus often falls on owners to familiarize themselves with these features to prevent potentially dangerous situations.
The manual release mechanisms in Tesla’s Model Y, as shown in the images, reveal potential safety issues during emergencies, especially when the vehicle catches fire. While Tesla has designed these features as a safety measure, their complexity and location raise concerns about their usability in high-stress scenarios. or losing their lives having faith in FDS which has been around the corner since... well who even knows at this point. couple years even before the pandemic. Elon going into politics is exactly because of the above - literally. he gutted consumer protection agencies and the NHTSA which has been investigating him and his car's faults - which verifiably tend to crash more often and in return cost people lives. wasn't there also something with the SEC which got stopped in its tracks? regulatory capture done right you might say. and I am not even mentioning SpaceX/Starlink where he sucks on the government's teats for the longest time and the foreseeable future. the most secure revenue stream known to mankind. how are people supposed to react at this point? people are like the current. seeking the path of least resistance. for elmo it is giving 250+mio. to get the influence he craves because he simply has such an amount in his sock drawer. and making Twitter unusable as the algorithm is way more skewed than it has ever been. instead of facing the music and improving his cars. in ordinary people's case it is hitting him in the swasticar, boycotting and... well going overboard burning them. though hopefully keeping it civil and protesting the sad state of affairs for the most part.
There is not much to elaborate. "Tesla burners" are terrorists. Thats why I put definitions there. Using violence to achieve political goal is literally what they do. Saying that categorizing them as terrorists is "comical, farcical" is either blatant lie, or pure ignorance.
Rest of your post have nothing to do with whether they are terrorists, or not. Do some people have grievances against Musk? yeah probably (I mean you have entire thread here). Does it change anything? Not at all.
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On April 13 2025 08:10 Sent. wrote:Is politicians trading stocks in the US a real issue or just something people assume might the reason why some things go wrong? Show nested quote +As of 2020, over half of the members of Congress were millionaires and the median net worth of members was approximately $1 million. This doesn't seem suspicious to me.
It's a very big issue that, obviously, there is no political will to resolve.
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On April 13 2025 08:48 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2025 20:13 Doublemint wrote:On April 12 2025 09:11 Razyda wrote:On April 11 2025 19:16 Doublemint wrote:On April 11 2025 14:49 EnDeR_ wrote:On April 11 2025 14:11 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 05:31 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2025 04:13 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 02:40 Dan HH wrote:
I'm less concerned with corpo shitbags trying to make numbers go up no matter the circumstances, than I am with all the videos of gleeful smirking ICE agents that look like they were all just itching for someone to give them permission to act on their intrusive thoughts. They're not just following orders, this is like Chrismas for sociopaths. I am more concerned with people who skirt the rules to line their own pockets, destroy small businesses to build transnational untouchable conglomerates whose #1 concerns are cheap exploitable labor and dependent consumer classes, than the facial expressions of people who enforce the law against brazen and systemic trampling of it. What is the law worth when Trump just pardons people who side with him or run darknet market operations because it makes people buy crypto ? Try besieging the Austrian parliament and breaking stuff in it and see who pardons you. Vandalize the seat of US power = pardon Burn cars = Terrorism It‘s comical how the US is currently run. It already was on his first term but it wasn‘t as obvious. Dude has a Russian visum in the drawer. I have to exercise a lot of restraint on the daily to not take a fat crap over the situation. Case in point. Maybe mass burning cars that are targeted based on the politics of the head of the company to induce fear would best be classified a youthful mistake? A tragic accident? Protected political speech? Mere hooliganism? Burning a couple of cars is small potatoes compared to getting into Congress looking to hang politicians. Just saying. yes. is it good that property is damaged or destroyed? no. but there are laws on the docket already, going full gung ho on "tesla burners", categorizing them as terrorists does not even muster comical. it's farcical. people are pissed, and addressing the underlying reasons is key for lasting peace and good governance. having the richest person on the planet destroying government programs ordinary people rely on... to survive... is so far beyond the pale. mind bending stuff. doge and their leader then lied about massive fraud in the federal government, while being asked about it could not substantiate/verify anything. and to top it off mr. ketamine/elmo then has the gall to act like the cringelord he is at CPAC with his chainsawbrother + Show Spoiler +and some wanna tell me people being pissed at that are the problem? I heard it once said that the "US is a developing nation with a gucci belt". how it is being run kinda fits the bill. more good news... 73% of Americans are financially stressed. Two-thirds say tariff concerns are the source: CNBC surveyU.S. Budget Deficit Widens to $1.3 Trillion as Interest on Public Debt Hits Recordand for what exactly? what was achieved or is in the process of being achieved by the best people to ever lead, being led by the leader of leaders? if those are the collateral costs? Bolded - so farcical... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims." https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism"terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." elaborate if you were so kind. in case you are debate lording which seems a high probability... I'll bite. how is it the definitions fault that the richest man on the planet is also allowed to make decisions on the highest level of US politics. checks and balances are there for a reason, people not understanding it is unfortunate though not unexpected given the trajectory of libraries closing and tiktok stars rising. in a sane world people would have, well... "reacted" way earlier after their loved ones drowned or burned to death because of absurd design decisions of the Teslas. + Show Spoiler +Tesla Vehicles’ Manual Release Mechanisms: Not Intuitive
Tesla vehicles are equipped with manual release mechanisms for emergencies, but their functionality and accessibility vary significantly across different models. In most Tesla models, including the Model S, Model 3, and Model Y, manual door release levers are located near the door handles or within the door panels. For the front doors, these levers are generally easy to access; for instance, the Model 3 and Model Y feature mechanical release levers on the front doors, allowing occupants to manually unlock the doors if the electronic systems fail.
However, the rear doors present more challenges. In some Model Y vehicles, for example, the manual release mechanism requires users to remove a floor mat and access a hidden release tab, a procedure that may not be intuitive or practical during high-pressure situations like a fire. Such a design complicates escape for rear passengers who might be unfamiliar with the mechanism’s location, especially when time is critical.
Despite efforts by Tesla to educate owners through manuals and emergency response guides, the placement and design of these manual releases remain points of concern. Occupants who are unfamiliar with their vehicle’s safety features may struggle to locate or operate these mechanisms during emergencies. Critics argue that while Tesla has included these safety measures, their complexity and inconsistent placement across models could hinder effective escape in a crisis.
For instance, the Model 3 only has manual release mechanisms for the front doors, making it impossible for rear-seat passengers to exit manually if power fails. In the Model X, the rear door manual release requires users to remove a speaker grille, making it even less accessible during emergencies. These limitations have led to reports of individuals being trapped in Tesla vehicles during power failures or accidents.
Critics suggest that Tesla should redesign these features to enhance accessibility or provide clearer, more visible guidance for owners and passengers. Although Tesla emphasizes that these manual releases are meant only for situations when electronic systems fail, many believe that the current setup may still not meet optimal safety standards. While the company has made efforts to inform users through manuals, the onus often falls on owners to familiarize themselves with these features to prevent potentially dangerous situations.
The manual release mechanisms in Tesla’s Model Y, as shown in the images, reveal potential safety issues during emergencies, especially when the vehicle catches fire. While Tesla has designed these features as a safety measure, their complexity and location raise concerns about their usability in high-stress scenarios. or losing their lives having faith in FDS which has been around the corner since... well who even knows at this point. couple years even before the pandemic. Elon going into politics is exactly because of the above - literally. he gutted consumer protection agencies and the NHTSA which has been investigating him and his car's faults - which verifiably tend to crash more often and in return cost people lives. wasn't there also something with the SEC which got stopped in its tracks? regulatory capture done right you might say. and I am not even mentioning SpaceX/Starlink where he sucks on the government's teats for the longest time and the foreseeable future. the most secure revenue stream known to mankind. how are people supposed to react at this point? people are like the current. seeking the path of least resistance. for elmo it is giving 250+mio. to get the influence he craves because he simply has such an amount in his sock drawer. and making Twitter unusable as the algorithm is way more skewed than it has ever been. instead of facing the music and improving his cars. in ordinary people's case it is hitting him in the swasticar, boycotting and... well going overboard burning them. though hopefully keeping it civil and protesting the sad state of affairs for the most part. There is not much to elaborate. "Tesla burners" are terrorists. Thats why I put definitions there. Using violence to achieve political goal is literally what they do. Saying that categorizing them as terrorists is "comical, farcical" is either blatant lie, or pure ignorance. Rest of your post have nothing to do with whether they are terrorists, or not. Do some people have grievances against Musk? yeah probably (I mean you have entire thread here). Does it change anything? Not at all.
Someone vandalized my fence while drunk because he didn‘t like my political opinion from our last discussion at the pub.
Must have been a terrorist then.
I‘m going to ask the chancellor to declare martial law.
Musks mistake is trying to be a businessman and a politician at the same time.
Sure burning his cars is wrong, he only did a sieg heil on tv after all, but it‘s still vandalism.
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On April 13 2025 08:48 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2025 20:13 Doublemint wrote:On April 12 2025 09:11 Razyda wrote:On April 11 2025 19:16 Doublemint wrote:On April 11 2025 14:49 EnDeR_ wrote:On April 11 2025 14:11 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 05:31 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2025 04:13 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 02:40 Dan HH wrote:
I'm less concerned with corpo shitbags trying to make numbers go up no matter the circumstances, than I am with all the videos of gleeful smirking ICE agents that look like they were all just itching for someone to give them permission to act on their intrusive thoughts. They're not just following orders, this is like Chrismas for sociopaths. I am more concerned with people who skirt the rules to line their own pockets, destroy small businesses to build transnational untouchable conglomerates whose #1 concerns are cheap exploitable labor and dependent consumer classes, than the facial expressions of people who enforce the law against brazen and systemic trampling of it. What is the law worth when Trump just pardons people who side with him or run darknet market operations because it makes people buy crypto ? Try besieging the Austrian parliament and breaking stuff in it and see who pardons you. Vandalize the seat of US power = pardon Burn cars = Terrorism It‘s comical how the US is currently run. It already was on his first term but it wasn‘t as obvious. Dude has a Russian visum in the drawer. I have to exercise a lot of restraint on the daily to not take a fat crap over the situation. Case in point. Maybe mass burning cars that are targeted based on the politics of the head of the company to induce fear would best be classified a youthful mistake? A tragic accident? Protected political speech? Mere hooliganism? Burning a couple of cars is small potatoes compared to getting into Congress looking to hang politicians. Just saying. yes. is it good that property is damaged or destroyed? no. but there are laws on the docket already, going full gung ho on "tesla burners", categorizing them as terrorists does not even muster comical. it's farcical. people are pissed, and addressing the underlying reasons is key for lasting peace and good governance. having the richest person on the planet destroying government programs ordinary people rely on... to survive... is so far beyond the pale. mind bending stuff. doge and their leader then lied about massive fraud in the federal government, while being asked about it could not substantiate/verify anything. and to top it off mr. ketamine/elmo then has the gall to act like the cringelord he is at CPAC with his chainsawbrother + Show Spoiler +and some wanna tell me people being pissed at that are the problem? I heard it once said that the "US is a developing nation with a gucci belt". how it is being run kinda fits the bill. more good news... 73% of Americans are financially stressed. Two-thirds say tariff concerns are the source: CNBC surveyU.S. Budget Deficit Widens to $1.3 Trillion as Interest on Public Debt Hits Recordand for what exactly? what was achieved or is in the process of being achieved by the best people to ever lead, being led by the leader of leaders? if those are the collateral costs? Bolded - so farcical... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims." https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism"terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." elaborate if you were so kind. in case you are debate lording which seems a high probability... I'll bite. how is it the definitions fault that the richest man on the planet is also allowed to make decisions on the highest level of US politics. checks and balances are there for a reason, people not understanding it is unfortunate though not unexpected given the trajectory of libraries closing and tiktok stars rising. in a sane world people would have, well... "reacted" way earlier after their loved ones drowned or burned to death because of absurd design decisions of the Teslas. + Show Spoiler +Tesla Vehicles’ Manual Release Mechanisms: Not Intuitive
Tesla vehicles are equipped with manual release mechanisms for emergencies, but their functionality and accessibility vary significantly across different models. In most Tesla models, including the Model S, Model 3, and Model Y, manual door release levers are located near the door handles or within the door panels. For the front doors, these levers are generally easy to access; for instance, the Model 3 and Model Y feature mechanical release levers on the front doors, allowing occupants to manually unlock the doors if the electronic systems fail.
However, the rear doors present more challenges. In some Model Y vehicles, for example, the manual release mechanism requires users to remove a floor mat and access a hidden release tab, a procedure that may not be intuitive or practical during high-pressure situations like a fire. Such a design complicates escape for rear passengers who might be unfamiliar with the mechanism’s location, especially when time is critical.
Despite efforts by Tesla to educate owners through manuals and emergency response guides, the placement and design of these manual releases remain points of concern. Occupants who are unfamiliar with their vehicle’s safety features may struggle to locate or operate these mechanisms during emergencies. Critics argue that while Tesla has included these safety measures, their complexity and inconsistent placement across models could hinder effective escape in a crisis.
For instance, the Model 3 only has manual release mechanisms for the front doors, making it impossible for rear-seat passengers to exit manually if power fails. In the Model X, the rear door manual release requires users to remove a speaker grille, making it even less accessible during emergencies. These limitations have led to reports of individuals being trapped in Tesla vehicles during power failures or accidents.
Critics suggest that Tesla should redesign these features to enhance accessibility or provide clearer, more visible guidance for owners and passengers. Although Tesla emphasizes that these manual releases are meant only for situations when electronic systems fail, many believe that the current setup may still not meet optimal safety standards. While the company has made efforts to inform users through manuals, the onus often falls on owners to familiarize themselves with these features to prevent potentially dangerous situations.
The manual release mechanisms in Tesla’s Model Y, as shown in the images, reveal potential safety issues during emergencies, especially when the vehicle catches fire. While Tesla has designed these features as a safety measure, their complexity and location raise concerns about their usability in high-stress scenarios. or losing their lives having faith in FDS which has been around the corner since... well who even knows at this point. couple years even before the pandemic. Elon going into politics is exactly because of the above - literally. he gutted consumer protection agencies and the NHTSA which has been investigating him and his car's faults - which verifiably tend to crash more often and in return cost people lives. wasn't there also something with the SEC which got stopped in its tracks? regulatory capture done right you might say. and I am not even mentioning SpaceX/Starlink where he sucks on the government's teats for the longest time and the foreseeable future. the most secure revenue stream known to mankind. how are people supposed to react at this point? people are like the current. seeking the path of least resistance. for elmo it is giving 250+mio. to get the influence he craves because he simply has such an amount in his sock drawer. and making Twitter unusable as the algorithm is way more skewed than it has ever been. instead of facing the music and improving his cars. in ordinary people's case it is hitting him in the swasticar, boycotting and... well going overboard burning them. though hopefully keeping it civil and protesting the sad state of affairs for the most part. There is not much to elaborate. "Tesla burners" are terrorists. Thats why I put definitions there. Using violence to achieve political goal is literally what they do. Saying that categorizing them as terrorists is "comical, farcical" is either blatant lie, or pure ignorance. Rest of your post have nothing to do with whether they are terrorists, or not. Do some people have grievances against Musk? yeah probably (I mean you have entire thread here). Does it change anything? Not at all.
okey, agree to disagree then if clinging to definitions is the be-all and end-all.
depending where you stand however, one's freedom fighter is another one's terrorist.
might want to think especially about January 6th 21'. the ramifications of the event itself, aftermath, commission and its findings... and the subsequent pardons.
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I couldn't disagree more with his take. Being civil with fascists is what got us into this mess.
Debating with them about 3rd (or infinite) terms, snatching people off the street and disappearing them, whether trans athletes are destroying civilization when there's more rape charges in the White House than there are trans athletes, starting a trade war with the whole world unprepared and using 4th grade maths, etc. - all this does is legitimize their ideas. It gives 3rd parties/weathervanes that aren't into politics and don't pay much attention to the details the impression that these are debatable issues, that the two engaged in such a debate are having a valid philosophical disagreement and either could be correct and they might decide who is correct based on some trivial bullshit like who is more confident or which "idea" appears to have more support on social media.
But it's not a legitimate debate, none of this is normal, all their actions break the social contract and we're failing to enforce it. And failing to enforce the social contract has disastrous consequences. The only way to deal with fascists is to punch them and call them out. "Owning" them in arguments doesn't do anything, they're immune to reason, shame, guilt or hypocrisy, they bounce back like nothing. Being kind to them does nothing, it doesn't change them or stop them from pushing towards the cliff.
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On April 13 2025 10:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2025 08:48 Razyda wrote:On April 12 2025 20:13 Doublemint wrote:On April 12 2025 09:11 Razyda wrote:On April 11 2025 19:16 Doublemint wrote:On April 11 2025 14:49 EnDeR_ wrote:On April 11 2025 14:11 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 05:31 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2025 04:13 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 02:40 Dan HH wrote:
I'm less concerned with corpo shitbags trying to make numbers go up no matter the circumstances, than I am with all the videos of gleeful smirking ICE agents that look like they were all just itching for someone to give them permission to act on their intrusive thoughts. They're not just following orders, this is like Chrismas for sociopaths. I am more concerned with people who skirt the rules to line their own pockets, destroy small businesses to build transnational untouchable conglomerates whose #1 concerns are cheap exploitable labor and dependent consumer classes, than the facial expressions of people who enforce the law against brazen and systemic trampling of it. What is the law worth when Trump just pardons people who side with him or run darknet market operations because it makes people buy crypto ? Try besieging the Austrian parliament and breaking stuff in it and see who pardons you. Vandalize the seat of US power = pardon Burn cars = Terrorism It‘s comical how the US is currently run. It already was on his first term but it wasn‘t as obvious. Dude has a Russian visum in the drawer. I have to exercise a lot of restraint on the daily to not take a fat crap over the situation. Case in point. Maybe mass burning cars that are targeted based on the politics of the head of the company to induce fear would best be classified a youthful mistake? A tragic accident? Protected political speech? Mere hooliganism? Burning a couple of cars is small potatoes compared to getting into Congress looking to hang politicians. Just saying. yes. is it good that property is damaged or destroyed? no. but there are laws on the docket already, going full gung ho on "tesla burners", categorizing them as terrorists does not even muster comical. it's farcical. people are pissed, and addressing the underlying reasons is key for lasting peace and good governance. having the richest person on the planet destroying government programs ordinary people rely on... to survive... is so far beyond the pale. mind bending stuff. doge and their leader then lied about massive fraud in the federal government, while being asked about it could not substantiate/verify anything. and to top it off mr. ketamine/elmo then has the gall to act like the cringelord he is at CPAC with his chainsawbrother + Show Spoiler +and some wanna tell me people being pissed at that are the problem? I heard it once said that the "US is a developing nation with a gucci belt". how it is being run kinda fits the bill. more good news... 73% of Americans are financially stressed. Two-thirds say tariff concerns are the source: CNBC surveyU.S. Budget Deficit Widens to $1.3 Trillion as Interest on Public Debt Hits Recordand for what exactly? what was achieved or is in the process of being achieved by the best people to ever lead, being led by the leader of leaders? if those are the collateral costs? Bolded - so farcical... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims." https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism"terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." elaborate if you were so kind. in case you are debate lording which seems a high probability... I'll bite. how is it the definitions fault that the richest man on the planet is also allowed to make decisions on the highest level of US politics. checks and balances are there for a reason, people not understanding it is unfortunate though not unexpected given the trajectory of libraries closing and tiktok stars rising. in a sane world people would have, well... "reacted" way earlier after their loved ones drowned or burned to death because of absurd design decisions of the Teslas. + Show Spoiler +Tesla Vehicles’ Manual Release Mechanisms: Not Intuitive
Tesla vehicles are equipped with manual release mechanisms for emergencies, but their functionality and accessibility vary significantly across different models. In most Tesla models, including the Model S, Model 3, and Model Y, manual door release levers are located near the door handles or within the door panels. For the front doors, these levers are generally easy to access; for instance, the Model 3 and Model Y feature mechanical release levers on the front doors, allowing occupants to manually unlock the doors if the electronic systems fail.
However, the rear doors present more challenges. In some Model Y vehicles, for example, the manual release mechanism requires users to remove a floor mat and access a hidden release tab, a procedure that may not be intuitive or practical during high-pressure situations like a fire. Such a design complicates escape for rear passengers who might be unfamiliar with the mechanism’s location, especially when time is critical.
Despite efforts by Tesla to educate owners through manuals and emergency response guides, the placement and design of these manual releases remain points of concern. Occupants who are unfamiliar with their vehicle’s safety features may struggle to locate or operate these mechanisms during emergencies. Critics argue that while Tesla has included these safety measures, their complexity and inconsistent placement across models could hinder effective escape in a crisis.
For instance, the Model 3 only has manual release mechanisms for the front doors, making it impossible for rear-seat passengers to exit manually if power fails. In the Model X, the rear door manual release requires users to remove a speaker grille, making it even less accessible during emergencies. These limitations have led to reports of individuals being trapped in Tesla vehicles during power failures or accidents.
Critics suggest that Tesla should redesign these features to enhance accessibility or provide clearer, more visible guidance for owners and passengers. Although Tesla emphasizes that these manual releases are meant only for situations when electronic systems fail, many believe that the current setup may still not meet optimal safety standards. While the company has made efforts to inform users through manuals, the onus often falls on owners to familiarize themselves with these features to prevent potentially dangerous situations.
The manual release mechanisms in Tesla’s Model Y, as shown in the images, reveal potential safety issues during emergencies, especially when the vehicle catches fire. While Tesla has designed these features as a safety measure, their complexity and location raise concerns about their usability in high-stress scenarios. or losing their lives having faith in FDS which has been around the corner since... well who even knows at this point. couple years even before the pandemic. Elon going into politics is exactly because of the above - literally. he gutted consumer protection agencies and the NHTSA which has been investigating him and his car's faults - which verifiably tend to crash more often and in return cost people lives. wasn't there also something with the SEC which got stopped in its tracks? regulatory capture done right you might say. and I am not even mentioning SpaceX/Starlink where he sucks on the government's teats for the longest time and the foreseeable future. the most secure revenue stream known to mankind. how are people supposed to react at this point? people are like the current. seeking the path of least resistance. for elmo it is giving 250+mio. to get the influence he craves because he simply has such an amount in his sock drawer. and making Twitter unusable as the algorithm is way more skewed than it has ever been. instead of facing the music and improving his cars. in ordinary people's case it is hitting him in the swasticar, boycotting and... well going overboard burning them. though hopefully keeping it civil and protesting the sad state of affairs for the most part. There is not much to elaborate. "Tesla burners" are terrorists. Thats why I put definitions there. Using violence to achieve political goal is literally what they do. Saying that categorizing them as terrorists is "comical, farcical" is either blatant lie, or pure ignorance. Rest of your post have nothing to do with whether they are terrorists, or not. Do some people have grievances against Musk? yeah probably (I mean you have entire thread here). Does it change anything? Not at all. Someone vandalized my fence while drunk because he didn‘t like my political opinion from our last discussion at the pub.
Must have been a terrorist then.
I‘m going to ask the chancellor to declare martial law. Musks mistake is trying to be a businessman and a politician at the same time.Sure burning his cars is wrong, he only did a sieg heil on tv after all, but it‘s still vandalism.
bolded - That doesnt work with either of the definition.
Wiki - he disliked your political opinion, not tried to achieve a political goal.
Britannica - are you sure that singular event of vandalising your fence going to "create a general climate of fear in a population"?
Italic - you mean like Bloomberg? Schwarzenegger?
Bolded 2 - Are you serious? I never seen so many Nazi symbols, as at those protest (side of war movies) It is very nice of the protestors that they express their conviction on people cars. On the offside, it kinda help spread their ideology (do you still can get paid by having ads on your car?). It is somewhat telling how those protestors love drawing svastikas.
On April 13 2025 10:37 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2025 08:48 Razyda wrote:On April 12 2025 20:13 Doublemint wrote:On April 12 2025 09:11 Razyda wrote:On April 11 2025 19:16 Doublemint wrote:On April 11 2025 14:49 EnDeR_ wrote:On April 11 2025 14:11 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 05:31 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2025 04:13 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 02:40 Dan HH wrote:
I'm less concerned with corpo shitbags trying to make numbers go up no matter the circumstances, than I am with all the videos of gleeful smirking ICE agents that look like they were all just itching for someone to give them permission to act on their intrusive thoughts. They're not just following orders, this is like Chrismas for sociopaths. I am more concerned with people who skirt the rules to line their own pockets, destroy small businesses to build transnational untouchable conglomerates whose #1 concerns are cheap exploitable labor and dependent consumer classes, than the facial expressions of people who enforce the law against brazen and systemic trampling of it. What is the law worth when Trump just pardons people who side with him or run darknet market operations because it makes people buy crypto ? Try besieging the Austrian parliament and breaking stuff in it and see who pardons you. Vandalize the seat of US power = pardon Burn cars = Terrorism It‘s comical how the US is currently run. It already was on his first term but it wasn‘t as obvious. Dude has a Russian visum in the drawer. I have to exercise a lot of restraint on the daily to not take a fat crap over the situation. Case in point. Maybe mass burning cars that are targeted based on the politics of the head of the company to induce fear would best be classified a youthful mistake? A tragic accident? Protected political speech? Mere hooliganism? Burning a couple of cars is small potatoes compared to getting into Congress looking to hang politicians. Just saying. yes. is it good that property is damaged or destroyed? no. but there are laws on the docket already, going full gung ho on "tesla burners", categorizing them as terrorists does not even muster comical. it's farcical. people are pissed, and addressing the underlying reasons is key for lasting peace and good governance. having the richest person on the planet destroying government programs ordinary people rely on... to survive... is so far beyond the pale. mind bending stuff. doge and their leader then lied about massive fraud in the federal government, while being asked about it could not substantiate/verify anything. and to top it off mr. ketamine/elmo then has the gall to act like the cringelord he is at CPAC with his chainsawbrother + Show Spoiler +and some wanna tell me people being pissed at that are the problem? I heard it once said that the "US is a developing nation with a gucci belt". how it is being run kinda fits the bill. more good news... 73% of Americans are financially stressed. Two-thirds say tariff concerns are the source: CNBC surveyU.S. Budget Deficit Widens to $1.3 Trillion as Interest on Public Debt Hits Recordand for what exactly? what was achieved or is in the process of being achieved by the best people to ever lead, being led by the leader of leaders? if those are the collateral costs? Bolded - so farcical... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims." https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism"terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." elaborate if you were so kind. in case you are debate lording which seems a high probability... I'll bite. how is it the definitions fault that the richest man on the planet is also allowed to make decisions on the highest level of US politics. checks and balances are there for a reason, people not understanding it is unfortunate though not unexpected given the trajectory of libraries closing and tiktok stars rising. in a sane world people would have, well... "reacted" way earlier after their loved ones drowned or burned to death because of absurd design decisions of the Teslas. + Show Spoiler +Tesla Vehicles’ Manual Release Mechanisms: Not Intuitive
Tesla vehicles are equipped with manual release mechanisms for emergencies, but their functionality and accessibility vary significantly across different models. In most Tesla models, including the Model S, Model 3, and Model Y, manual door release levers are located near the door handles or within the door panels. For the front doors, these levers are generally easy to access; for instance, the Model 3 and Model Y feature mechanical release levers on the front doors, allowing occupants to manually unlock the doors if the electronic systems fail.
However, the rear doors present more challenges. In some Model Y vehicles, for example, the manual release mechanism requires users to remove a floor mat and access a hidden release tab, a procedure that may not be intuitive or practical during high-pressure situations like a fire. Such a design complicates escape for rear passengers who might be unfamiliar with the mechanism’s location, especially when time is critical.
Despite efforts by Tesla to educate owners through manuals and emergency response guides, the placement and design of these manual releases remain points of concern. Occupants who are unfamiliar with their vehicle’s safety features may struggle to locate or operate these mechanisms during emergencies. Critics argue that while Tesla has included these safety measures, their complexity and inconsistent placement across models could hinder effective escape in a crisis.
For instance, the Model 3 only has manual release mechanisms for the front doors, making it impossible for rear-seat passengers to exit manually if power fails. In the Model X, the rear door manual release requires users to remove a speaker grille, making it even less accessible during emergencies. These limitations have led to reports of individuals being trapped in Tesla vehicles during power failures or accidents.
Critics suggest that Tesla should redesign these features to enhance accessibility or provide clearer, more visible guidance for owners and passengers. Although Tesla emphasizes that these manual releases are meant only for situations when electronic systems fail, many believe that the current setup may still not meet optimal safety standards. While the company has made efforts to inform users through manuals, the onus often falls on owners to familiarize themselves with these features to prevent potentially dangerous situations.
The manual release mechanisms in Tesla’s Model Y, as shown in the images, reveal potential safety issues during emergencies, especially when the vehicle catches fire. While Tesla has designed these features as a safety measure, their complexity and location raise concerns about their usability in high-stress scenarios. or losing their lives having faith in FDS which has been around the corner since... well who even knows at this point. couple years even before the pandemic. Elon going into politics is exactly because of the above - literally. he gutted consumer protection agencies and the NHTSA which has been investigating him and his car's faults - which verifiably tend to crash more often and in return cost people lives. wasn't there also something with the SEC which got stopped in its tracks? regulatory capture done right you might say. and I am not even mentioning SpaceX/Starlink where he sucks on the government's teats for the longest time and the foreseeable future. the most secure revenue stream known to mankind. how are people supposed to react at this point? people are like the current. seeking the path of least resistance. for elmo it is giving 250+mio. to get the influence he craves because he simply has such an amount in his sock drawer. and making Twitter unusable as the algorithm is way more skewed than it has ever been. instead of facing the music and improving his cars. in ordinary people's case it is hitting him in the swasticar, boycotting and... well going overboard burning them. though hopefully keeping it civil and protesting the sad state of affairs for the most part. There is not much to elaborate. "Tesla burners" are terrorists. Thats why I put definitions there. Using violence to achieve political goal is literally what they do. Saying that categorizing them as terrorists is "comical, farcical" is either blatant lie, or pure ignorance. Rest of your post have nothing to do with whether they are terrorists, or not. Do some people have grievances against Musk? yeah probably (I mean you have entire thread here). Does it change anything? Not at all. okey, agree to disagree then if clinging to definitions is the be-all and end-all. depending where you stand however, one's freedom fighter is another one's terrorist. might want to think especially about January 6th 21'. the ramifications of the event itself, aftermath, commission and its findings... and the subsequent pardons.
bolded - Fair enough.
Italic - absolutely correct. (Edited in: You do not seem to extend this to January 6 folks however?)
Bolded 2 - hate repeating myself so:
On April 12 2025 09:20 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2025 09:14 Sermokala wrote:On April 12 2025 09:11 Razyda wrote:On April 11 2025 19:16 Doublemint wrote:On April 11 2025 14:49 EnDeR_ wrote:On April 11 2025 14:11 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 05:31 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2025 04:13 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 02:40 Dan HH wrote:
I'm less concerned with corpo shitbags trying to make numbers go up no matter the circumstances, than I am with all the videos of gleeful smirking ICE agents that look like they were all just itching for someone to give them permission to act on their intrusive thoughts. They're not just following orders, this is like Chrismas for sociopaths. I am more concerned with people who skirt the rules to line their own pockets, destroy small businesses to build transnational untouchable conglomerates whose #1 concerns are cheap exploitable labor and dependent consumer classes, than the facial expressions of people who enforce the law against brazen and systemic trampling of it. What is the law worth when Trump just pardons people who side with him or run darknet market operations because it makes people buy crypto ? Try besieging the Austrian parliament and breaking stuff in it and see who pardons you. Vandalize the seat of US power = pardon Burn cars = Terrorism It‘s comical how the US is currently run. It already was on his first term but it wasn‘t as obvious. Dude has a Russian visum in the drawer. I have to exercise a lot of restraint on the daily to not take a fat crap over the situation. Case in point. Maybe mass burning cars that are targeted based on the politics of the head of the company to induce fear would best be classified a youthful mistake? A tragic accident? Protected political speech? Mere hooliganism? Burning a couple of cars is small potatoes compared to getting into Congress looking to hang politicians. Just saying. yes. is it good that property is damaged or destroyed? no. but there are laws on the docket already, going full gung ho on "tesla burners", categorizing them as terrorists does not even muster comical. it's farcical. people are pissed, and addressing the underlying reasons is key for lasting peace and good governance. having the richest person on the planet destroying government programs ordinary people rely on... to survive... is so far beyond the pale. mind bending stuff. doge and their leader then lied about massive fraud in the federal government, while being asked about it could not substantiate/verify anything. and to top it off mr. ketamine/elmo then has the gall to act like the cringelord he is at CPAC with his chainsawbrother + Show Spoiler +and some wanna tell me people being pissed at that are the problem? I heard it once said that the "US is a developing nation with a gucci belt". how it is being run kinda fits the bill. more good news... 73% of Americans are financially stressed. Two-thirds say tariff concerns are the source: CNBC surveyU.S. Budget Deficit Widens to $1.3 Trillion as Interest on Public Debt Hits Recordand for what exactly? what was achieved or is in the process of being achieved by the best people to ever lead, being led by the leader of leaders? if those are the collateral costs? Bolded - so farcical... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims." https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism"terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." Insert Generic January 6 comparison here. bolded - Agree on "generic"  All of it - Democrats I believe will be free to pardon them for everything from 1862 till 2145. (once they get president elected)
I dont think pardon game is the one where you have standing. Biden pardoned what 8k+ people? I think both Hunter and Fauci got pardoned since 2014? with latter not even being accused of anything?
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On April 13 2025 12:49 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2025 10:30 Vivax wrote:On April 13 2025 08:48 Razyda wrote:On April 12 2025 20:13 Doublemint wrote:On April 12 2025 09:11 Razyda wrote:On April 11 2025 19:16 Doublemint wrote:On April 11 2025 14:49 EnDeR_ wrote:On April 11 2025 14:11 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 05:31 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2025 04:13 oBlade wrote:
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I am more concerned with people who skirt the rules to line their own pockets, destroy small businesses to build transnational untouchable conglomerates whose #1 concerns are cheap exploitable labor and dependent consumer classes, than the facial expressions of people who enforce the law against brazen and systemic trampling of it. What is the law worth when Trump just pardons people who side with him or run darknet market operations because it makes people buy crypto ? Try besieging the Austrian parliament and breaking stuff in it and see who pardons you. Vandalize the seat of US power = pardon Burn cars = Terrorism It‘s comical how the US is currently run. It already was on his first term but it wasn‘t as obvious. Dude has a Russian visum in the drawer. I have to exercise a lot of restraint on the daily to not take a fat crap over the situation. Case in point. Maybe mass burning cars that are targeted based on the politics of the head of the company to induce fear would best be classified a youthful mistake? A tragic accident? Protected political speech? Mere hooliganism? Burning a couple of cars is small potatoes compared to getting into Congress looking to hang politicians. Just saying. yes. is it good that property is damaged or destroyed? no. but there are laws on the docket already, going full gung ho on "tesla burners", categorizing them as terrorists does not even muster comical. it's farcical. people are pissed, and addressing the underlying reasons is key for lasting peace and good governance. having the richest person on the planet destroying government programs ordinary people rely on... to survive... is so far beyond the pale. mind bending stuff. doge and their leader then lied about massive fraud in the federal government, while being asked about it could not substantiate/verify anything. and to top it off mr. ketamine/elmo then has the gall to act like the cringelord he is at CPAC with his chainsawbrother + Show Spoiler +and some wanna tell me people being pissed at that are the problem? I heard it once said that the "US is a developing nation with a gucci belt". how it is being run kinda fits the bill. more good news... 73% of Americans are financially stressed. Two-thirds say tariff concerns are the source: CNBC surveyU.S. Budget Deficit Widens to $1.3 Trillion as Interest on Public Debt Hits Recordand for what exactly? what was achieved or is in the process of being achieved by the best people to ever lead, being led by the leader of leaders? if those are the collateral costs? Bolded - so farcical... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims." https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism"terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." elaborate if you were so kind. in case you are debate lording which seems a high probability... I'll bite. how is it the definitions fault that the richest man on the planet is also allowed to make decisions on the highest level of US politics. checks and balances are there for a reason, people not understanding it is unfortunate though not unexpected given the trajectory of libraries closing and tiktok stars rising. in a sane world people would have, well... "reacted" way earlier after their loved ones drowned or burned to death because of absurd design decisions of the Teslas. + Show Spoiler +Tesla Vehicles’ Manual Release Mechanisms: Not Intuitive
Tesla vehicles are equipped with manual release mechanisms for emergencies, but their functionality and accessibility vary significantly across different models. In most Tesla models, including the Model S, Model 3, and Model Y, manual door release levers are located near the door handles or within the door panels. For the front doors, these levers are generally easy to access; for instance, the Model 3 and Model Y feature mechanical release levers on the front doors, allowing occupants to manually unlock the doors if the electronic systems fail.
However, the rear doors present more challenges. In some Model Y vehicles, for example, the manual release mechanism requires users to remove a floor mat and access a hidden release tab, a procedure that may not be intuitive or practical during high-pressure situations like a fire. Such a design complicates escape for rear passengers who might be unfamiliar with the mechanism’s location, especially when time is critical.
Despite efforts by Tesla to educate owners through manuals and emergency response guides, the placement and design of these manual releases remain points of concern. Occupants who are unfamiliar with their vehicle’s safety features may struggle to locate or operate these mechanisms during emergencies. Critics argue that while Tesla has included these safety measures, their complexity and inconsistent placement across models could hinder effective escape in a crisis.
For instance, the Model 3 only has manual release mechanisms for the front doors, making it impossible for rear-seat passengers to exit manually if power fails. In the Model X, the rear door manual release requires users to remove a speaker grille, making it even less accessible during emergencies. These limitations have led to reports of individuals being trapped in Tesla vehicles during power failures or accidents.
Critics suggest that Tesla should redesign these features to enhance accessibility or provide clearer, more visible guidance for owners and passengers. Although Tesla emphasizes that these manual releases are meant only for situations when electronic systems fail, many believe that the current setup may still not meet optimal safety standards. While the company has made efforts to inform users through manuals, the onus often falls on owners to familiarize themselves with these features to prevent potentially dangerous situations.
The manual release mechanisms in Tesla’s Model Y, as shown in the images, reveal potential safety issues during emergencies, especially when the vehicle catches fire. While Tesla has designed these features as a safety measure, their complexity and location raise concerns about their usability in high-stress scenarios. or losing their lives having faith in FDS which has been around the corner since... well who even knows at this point. couple years even before the pandemic. Elon going into politics is exactly because of the above - literally. he gutted consumer protection agencies and the NHTSA which has been investigating him and his car's faults - which verifiably tend to crash more often and in return cost people lives. wasn't there also something with the SEC which got stopped in its tracks? regulatory capture done right you might say. and I am not even mentioning SpaceX/Starlink where he sucks on the government's teats for the longest time and the foreseeable future. the most secure revenue stream known to mankind. how are people supposed to react at this point? people are like the current. seeking the path of least resistance. for elmo it is giving 250+mio. to get the influence he craves because he simply has such an amount in his sock drawer. and making Twitter unusable as the algorithm is way more skewed than it has ever been. instead of facing the music and improving his cars. in ordinary people's case it is hitting him in the swasticar, boycotting and... well going overboard burning them. though hopefully keeping it civil and protesting the sad state of affairs for the most part. There is not much to elaborate. "Tesla burners" are terrorists. Thats why I put definitions there. Using violence to achieve political goal is literally what they do. Saying that categorizing them as terrorists is "comical, farcical" is either blatant lie, or pure ignorance. Rest of your post have nothing to do with whether they are terrorists, or not. Do some people have grievances against Musk? yeah probably (I mean you have entire thread here). Does it change anything? Not at all. Someone vandalized my fence while drunk because he didn‘t like my political opinion from our last discussion at the pub.
Must have been a terrorist then.
I‘m going to ask the chancellor to declare martial law. Musks mistake is trying to be a businessman and a politician at the same time.Sure burning his cars is wrong, he only did a sieg heil on tv after all, but it‘s still vandalism. bolded - That doesnt work with either of the definition. Wiki - he disliked your political opinion, not tried to achieve a political goal. Britannica - are you sure that singular event of vandalising your fence going to "create a general climate of fear in a population"? Italic - you mean like Bloomberg? Schwarzenegger? Bolded 2 - Are you serious? I never seen so many Nazi symbols, as at those protest (side of war movies) It is very nice of the protestors that they express their conviction on people cars. On the offside, it kinda help spread their ideology (do you still can get paid by having ads on your car?). It is somewhat telling how those protestors love drawing svastikas. Show nested quote +On April 13 2025 10:37 Doublemint wrote:On April 13 2025 08:48 Razyda wrote:On April 12 2025 20:13 Doublemint wrote:On April 12 2025 09:11 Razyda wrote:On April 11 2025 19:16 Doublemint wrote:On April 11 2025 14:49 EnDeR_ wrote:On April 11 2025 14:11 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 05:31 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2025 04:13 oBlade wrote:
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I am more concerned with people who skirt the rules to line their own pockets, destroy small businesses to build transnational untouchable conglomerates whose #1 concerns are cheap exploitable labor and dependent consumer classes, than the facial expressions of people who enforce the law against brazen and systemic trampling of it. What is the law worth when Trump just pardons people who side with him or run darknet market operations because it makes people buy crypto ? Try besieging the Austrian parliament and breaking stuff in it and see who pardons you. Vandalize the seat of US power = pardon Burn cars = Terrorism It‘s comical how the US is currently run. It already was on his first term but it wasn‘t as obvious. Dude has a Russian visum in the drawer. I have to exercise a lot of restraint on the daily to not take a fat crap over the situation. Case in point. Maybe mass burning cars that are targeted based on the politics of the head of the company to induce fear would best be classified a youthful mistake? A tragic accident? Protected political speech? Mere hooliganism? Burning a couple of cars is small potatoes compared to getting into Congress looking to hang politicians. Just saying. yes. is it good that property is damaged or destroyed? no. but there are laws on the docket already, going full gung ho on "tesla burners", categorizing them as terrorists does not even muster comical. it's farcical. people are pissed, and addressing the underlying reasons is key for lasting peace and good governance. having the richest person on the planet destroying government programs ordinary people rely on... to survive... is so far beyond the pale. mind bending stuff. doge and their leader then lied about massive fraud in the federal government, while being asked about it could not substantiate/verify anything. and to top it off mr. ketamine/elmo then has the gall to act like the cringelord he is at CPAC with his chainsawbrother + Show Spoiler +and some wanna tell me people being pissed at that are the problem? I heard it once said that the "US is a developing nation with a gucci belt". how it is being run kinda fits the bill. more good news... 73% of Americans are financially stressed. Two-thirds say tariff concerns are the source: CNBC surveyU.S. Budget Deficit Widens to $1.3 Trillion as Interest on Public Debt Hits Recordand for what exactly? what was achieved or is in the process of being achieved by the best people to ever lead, being led by the leader of leaders? if those are the collateral costs? Bolded - so farcical... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims." https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism"terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." elaborate if you were so kind. in case you are debate lording which seems a high probability... I'll bite. how is it the definitions fault that the richest man on the planet is also allowed to make decisions on the highest level of US politics. checks and balances are there for a reason, people not understanding it is unfortunate though not unexpected given the trajectory of libraries closing and tiktok stars rising. in a sane world people would have, well... "reacted" way earlier after their loved ones drowned or burned to death because of absurd design decisions of the Teslas. + Show Spoiler +Tesla Vehicles’ Manual Release Mechanisms: Not Intuitive
Tesla vehicles are equipped with manual release mechanisms for emergencies, but their functionality and accessibility vary significantly across different models. In most Tesla models, including the Model S, Model 3, and Model Y, manual door release levers are located near the door handles or within the door panels. For the front doors, these levers are generally easy to access; for instance, the Model 3 and Model Y feature mechanical release levers on the front doors, allowing occupants to manually unlock the doors if the electronic systems fail.
However, the rear doors present more challenges. In some Model Y vehicles, for example, the manual release mechanism requires users to remove a floor mat and access a hidden release tab, a procedure that may not be intuitive or practical during high-pressure situations like a fire. Such a design complicates escape for rear passengers who might be unfamiliar with the mechanism’s location, especially when time is critical.
Despite efforts by Tesla to educate owners through manuals and emergency response guides, the placement and design of these manual releases remain points of concern. Occupants who are unfamiliar with their vehicle’s safety features may struggle to locate or operate these mechanisms during emergencies. Critics argue that while Tesla has included these safety measures, their complexity and inconsistent placement across models could hinder effective escape in a crisis.
For instance, the Model 3 only has manual release mechanisms for the front doors, making it impossible for rear-seat passengers to exit manually if power fails. In the Model X, the rear door manual release requires users to remove a speaker grille, making it even less accessible during emergencies. These limitations have led to reports of individuals being trapped in Tesla vehicles during power failures or accidents.
Critics suggest that Tesla should redesign these features to enhance accessibility or provide clearer, more visible guidance for owners and passengers. Although Tesla emphasizes that these manual releases are meant only for situations when electronic systems fail, many believe that the current setup may still not meet optimal safety standards. While the company has made efforts to inform users through manuals, the onus often falls on owners to familiarize themselves with these features to prevent potentially dangerous situations.
The manual release mechanisms in Tesla’s Model Y, as shown in the images, reveal potential safety issues during emergencies, especially when the vehicle catches fire. While Tesla has designed these features as a safety measure, their complexity and location raise concerns about their usability in high-stress scenarios. or losing their lives having faith in FDS which has been around the corner since... well who even knows at this point. couple years even before the pandemic. Elon going into politics is exactly because of the above - literally. he gutted consumer protection agencies and the NHTSA which has been investigating him and his car's faults - which verifiably tend to crash more often and in return cost people lives. wasn't there also something with the SEC which got stopped in its tracks? regulatory capture done right you might say. and I am not even mentioning SpaceX/Starlink where he sucks on the government's teats for the longest time and the foreseeable future. the most secure revenue stream known to mankind. how are people supposed to react at this point? people are like the current. seeking the path of least resistance. for elmo it is giving 250+mio. to get the influence he craves because he simply has such an amount in his sock drawer. and making Twitter unusable as the algorithm is way more skewed than it has ever been. instead of facing the music and improving his cars. in ordinary people's case it is hitting him in the swasticar, boycotting and... well going overboard burning them. though hopefully keeping it civil and protesting the sad state of affairs for the most part. There is not much to elaborate. "Tesla burners" are terrorists. Thats why I put definitions there. Using violence to achieve political goal is literally what they do. Saying that categorizing them as terrorists is "comical, farcical" is either blatant lie, or pure ignorance. Rest of your post have nothing to do with whether they are terrorists, or not. Do some people have grievances against Musk? yeah probably (I mean you have entire thread here). Does it change anything? Not at all. okey, agree to disagree then if clinging to definitions is the be-all and end-all. depending where you stand however, one's freedom fighter is another one's terrorist. might want to think especially about January 6th 21'. the ramifications of the event itself, aftermath, commission and its findings... and the subsequent pardons. bolded - Fair enough. Italic - absolutely correct. (Edited in: You do not seem to extend this to January 6 folks however?) Bolded 2 - hate repeating myself so: Show nested quote +On April 12 2025 09:20 Razyda wrote:On April 12 2025 09:14 Sermokala wrote:On April 12 2025 09:11 Razyda wrote:On April 11 2025 19:16 Doublemint wrote:On April 11 2025 14:49 EnDeR_ wrote:On April 11 2025 14:11 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 05:31 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2025 04:13 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 02:40 Dan HH wrote:
I'm less concerned with corpo shitbags trying to make numbers go up no matter the circumstances, than I am with all the videos of gleeful smirking ICE agents that look like they were all just itching for someone to give them permission to act on their intrusive thoughts. They're not just following orders, this is like Chrismas for sociopaths. I am more concerned with people who skirt the rules to line their own pockets, destroy small businesses to build transnational untouchable conglomerates whose #1 concerns are cheap exploitable labor and dependent consumer classes, than the facial expressions of people who enforce the law against brazen and systemic trampling of it. What is the law worth when Trump just pardons people who side with him or run darknet market operations because it makes people buy crypto ? Try besieging the Austrian parliament and breaking stuff in it and see who pardons you. Vandalize the seat of US power = pardon Burn cars = Terrorism It‘s comical how the US is currently run. It already was on his first term but it wasn‘t as obvious. Dude has a Russian visum in the drawer. I have to exercise a lot of restraint on the daily to not take a fat crap over the situation. Case in point. Maybe mass burning cars that are targeted based on the politics of the head of the company to induce fear would best be classified a youthful mistake? A tragic accident? Protected political speech? Mere hooliganism? Burning a couple of cars is small potatoes compared to getting into Congress looking to hang politicians. Just saying. yes. is it good that property is damaged or destroyed? no. but there are laws on the docket already, going full gung ho on "tesla burners", categorizing them as terrorists does not even muster comical. it's farcical. people are pissed, and addressing the underlying reasons is key for lasting peace and good governance. having the richest person on the planet destroying government programs ordinary people rely on... to survive... is so far beyond the pale. mind bending stuff. doge and their leader then lied about massive fraud in the federal government, while being asked about it could not substantiate/verify anything. and to top it off mr. ketamine/elmo then has the gall to act like the cringelord he is at CPAC with his chainsawbrother + Show Spoiler +and some wanna tell me people being pissed at that are the problem? I heard it once said that the "US is a developing nation with a gucci belt". how it is being run kinda fits the bill. more good news... 73% of Americans are financially stressed. Two-thirds say tariff concerns are the source: CNBC surveyU.S. Budget Deficit Widens to $1.3 Trillion as Interest on Public Debt Hits Recordand for what exactly? what was achieved or is in the process of being achieved by the best people to ever lead, being led by the leader of leaders? if those are the collateral costs? Bolded - so farcical... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims." https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism"terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." Insert Generic January 6 comparison here. bolded - Agree on "generic" All of it - Democrats I believe will be free to pardon them for everything from 1862 till 2145. (once they get president elected) I dont think pardon game is the one where you have standing. Biden pardoned what 8k+ people? I think both Hunter and Fauci got pardoned since 2014? with latter not even being accused of anything?
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I don't care about Biden, if he is not sleepy he can stand for what he did. I care about the point I made.
politicians are hypocritical when push comes to shove? shocker.
again, using the terrorist descriptor for criminals burning cars this inflationary in one case, while pardoning criminals where that description fits better as they actually stormed the capital to reach a political goal is just way too inconsistent.
hypothetically, what happens to Tesla burners from the EU? Tesla gets massively boycotted here too, maybe something gets out of hand and a protestor burns one. is this person then a terrorist in the eyes of the US government? on a no flight list, in danger of getting droned during his/her commute or while grocery shopping?
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2025 12:49 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2025 10:30 Vivax wrote:On April 13 2025 08:48 Razyda wrote:On April 12 2025 20:13 Doublemint wrote:On April 12 2025 09:11 Razyda wrote:On April 11 2025 19:16 Doublemint wrote:On April 11 2025 14:49 EnDeR_ wrote:On April 11 2025 14:11 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 05:31 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2025 04:13 oBlade wrote:
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I am more concerned with people who skirt the rules to line their own pockets, destroy small businesses to build transnational untouchable conglomerates whose #1 concerns are cheap exploitable labor and dependent consumer classes, than the facial expressions of people who enforce the law against brazen and systemic trampling of it. What is the law worth when Trump just pardons people who side with him or run darknet market operations because it makes people buy crypto ? Try besieging the Austrian parliament and breaking stuff in it and see who pardons you. Vandalize the seat of US power = pardon Burn cars = Terrorism It‘s comical how the US is currently run. It already was on his first term but it wasn‘t as obvious. Dude has a Russian visum in the drawer. I have to exercise a lot of restraint on the daily to not take a fat crap over the situation. Case in point. Maybe mass burning cars that are targeted based on the politics of the head of the company to induce fear would best be classified a youthful mistake? A tragic accident? Protected political speech? Mere hooliganism? Burning a couple of cars is small potatoes compared to getting into Congress looking to hang politicians. Just saying. yes. is it good that property is damaged or destroyed? no. but there are laws on the docket already, going full gung ho on "tesla burners", categorizing them as terrorists does not even muster comical. it's farcical. people are pissed, and addressing the underlying reasons is key for lasting peace and good governance. having the richest person on the planet destroying government programs ordinary people rely on... to survive... is so far beyond the pale. mind bending stuff. doge and their leader then lied about massive fraud in the federal government, while being asked about it could not substantiate/verify anything. and to top it off mr. ketamine/elmo then has the gall to act like the cringelord he is at CPAC with his chainsawbrother + Show Spoiler +and some wanna tell me people being pissed at that are the problem? I heard it once said that the "US is a developing nation with a gucci belt". how it is being run kinda fits the bill. more good news... 73% of Americans are financially stressed. Two-thirds say tariff concerns are the source: CNBC surveyU.S. Budget Deficit Widens to $1.3 Trillion as Interest on Public Debt Hits Recordand for what exactly? what was achieved or is in the process of being achieved by the best people to ever lead, being led by the leader of leaders? if those are the collateral costs? Bolded - so farcical... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims." https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism"terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." elaborate if you were so kind. in case you are debate lording which seems a high probability... I'll bite. how is it the definitions fault that the richest man on the planet is also allowed to make decisions on the highest level of US politics. checks and balances are there for a reason, people not understanding it is unfortunate though not unexpected given the trajectory of libraries closing and tiktok stars rising. in a sane world people would have, well... "reacted" way earlier after their loved ones drowned or burned to death because of absurd design decisions of the Teslas. + Show Spoiler +Tesla Vehicles’ Manual Release Mechanisms: Not Intuitive
Tesla vehicles are equipped with manual release mechanisms for emergencies, but their functionality and accessibility vary significantly across different models. In most Tesla models, including the Model S, Model 3, and Model Y, manual door release levers are located near the door handles or within the door panels. For the front doors, these levers are generally easy to access; for instance, the Model 3 and Model Y feature mechanical release levers on the front doors, allowing occupants to manually unlock the doors if the electronic systems fail.
However, the rear doors present more challenges. In some Model Y vehicles, for example, the manual release mechanism requires users to remove a floor mat and access a hidden release tab, a procedure that may not be intuitive or practical during high-pressure situations like a fire. Such a design complicates escape for rear passengers who might be unfamiliar with the mechanism’s location, especially when time is critical.
Despite efforts by Tesla to educate owners through manuals and emergency response guides, the placement and design of these manual releases remain points of concern. Occupants who are unfamiliar with their vehicle’s safety features may struggle to locate or operate these mechanisms during emergencies. Critics argue that while Tesla has included these safety measures, their complexity and inconsistent placement across models could hinder effective escape in a crisis.
For instance, the Model 3 only has manual release mechanisms for the front doors, making it impossible for rear-seat passengers to exit manually if power fails. In the Model X, the rear door manual release requires users to remove a speaker grille, making it even less accessible during emergencies. These limitations have led to reports of individuals being trapped in Tesla vehicles during power failures or accidents.
Critics suggest that Tesla should redesign these features to enhance accessibility or provide clearer, more visible guidance for owners and passengers. Although Tesla emphasizes that these manual releases are meant only for situations when electronic systems fail, many believe that the current setup may still not meet optimal safety standards. While the company has made efforts to inform users through manuals, the onus often falls on owners to familiarize themselves with these features to prevent potentially dangerous situations.
The manual release mechanisms in Tesla’s Model Y, as shown in the images, reveal potential safety issues during emergencies, especially when the vehicle catches fire. While Tesla has designed these features as a safety measure, their complexity and location raise concerns about their usability in high-stress scenarios. or losing their lives having faith in FDS which has been around the corner since... well who even knows at this point. couple years even before the pandemic. Elon going into politics is exactly because of the above - literally. he gutted consumer protection agencies and the NHTSA which has been investigating him and his car's faults - which verifiably tend to crash more often and in return cost people lives. wasn't there also something with the SEC which got stopped in its tracks? regulatory capture done right you might say. and I am not even mentioning SpaceX/Starlink where he sucks on the government's teats for the longest time and the foreseeable future. the most secure revenue stream known to mankind. how are people supposed to react at this point? people are like the current. seeking the path of least resistance. for elmo it is giving 250+mio. to get the influence he craves because he simply has such an amount in his sock drawer. and making Twitter unusable as the algorithm is way more skewed than it has ever been. instead of facing the music and improving his cars. in ordinary people's case it is hitting him in the swasticar, boycotting and... well going overboard burning them. though hopefully keeping it civil and protesting the sad state of affairs for the most part. There is not much to elaborate. "Tesla burners" are terrorists. Thats why I put definitions there. Using violence to achieve political goal is literally what they do. Saying that categorizing them as terrorists is "comical, farcical" is either blatant lie, or pure ignorance. Rest of your post have nothing to do with whether they are terrorists, or not. Do some people have grievances against Musk? yeah probably (I mean you have entire thread here). Does it change anything? Not at all. Someone vandalized my fence while drunk because he didn‘t like my political opinion from our last discussion at the pub.
Must have been a terrorist then.
I‘m going to ask the chancellor to declare martial law. Musks mistake is trying to be a businessman and a politician at the same time.Sure burning his cars is wrong, he only did a sieg heil on tv after all, but it‘s still vandalism. bolded - That doesnt work with either of the definition. Wiki - he disliked your political opinion, not tried to achieve a political goal. Britannica - are you sure that singular event of vandalising your fence going to "create a general climate of fear in a population"? Italic - you mean like Bloomberg? Schwarzenegger? Bolded 2 - Are you serious? I never seen so many Nazi symbols, as at those protest (side of war movies) It is very nice of the protestors that they express their conviction on people cars. On the offside, it kinda help spread their ideology (do you still can get paid by having ads on your car?). It is somewhat telling how those protestors love drawing svastikas. Show nested quote +On April 13 2025 10:37 Doublemint wrote:On April 13 2025 08:48 Razyda wrote:On April 12 2025 20:13 Doublemint wrote:On April 12 2025 09:11 Razyda wrote:On April 11 2025 19:16 Doublemint wrote:On April 11 2025 14:49 EnDeR_ wrote:On April 11 2025 14:11 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 05:31 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2025 04:13 oBlade wrote:
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I am more concerned with people who skirt the rules to line their own pockets, destroy small businesses to build transnational untouchable conglomerates whose #1 concerns are cheap exploitable labor and dependent consumer classes, than the facial expressions of people who enforce the law against brazen and systemic trampling of it. What is the law worth when Trump just pardons people who side with him or run darknet market operations because it makes people buy crypto ? Try besieging the Austrian parliament and breaking stuff in it and see who pardons you. Vandalize the seat of US power = pardon Burn cars = Terrorism It‘s comical how the US is currently run. It already was on his first term but it wasn‘t as obvious. Dude has a Russian visum in the drawer. I have to exercise a lot of restraint on the daily to not take a fat crap over the situation. Case in point. Maybe mass burning cars that are targeted based on the politics of the head of the company to induce fear would best be classified a youthful mistake? A tragic accident? Protected political speech? Mere hooliganism? Burning a couple of cars is small potatoes compared to getting into Congress looking to hang politicians. Just saying. yes. is it good that property is damaged or destroyed? no. but there are laws on the docket already, going full gung ho on "tesla burners", categorizing them as terrorists does not even muster comical. it's farcical. people are pissed, and addressing the underlying reasons is key for lasting peace and good governance. having the richest person on the planet destroying government programs ordinary people rely on... to survive... is so far beyond the pale. mind bending stuff. doge and their leader then lied about massive fraud in the federal government, while being asked about it could not substantiate/verify anything. and to top it off mr. ketamine/elmo then has the gall to act like the cringelord he is at CPAC with his chainsawbrother + Show Spoiler +and some wanna tell me people being pissed at that are the problem? I heard it once said that the "US is a developing nation with a gucci belt". how it is being run kinda fits the bill. more good news... 73% of Americans are financially stressed. Two-thirds say tariff concerns are the source: CNBC surveyU.S. Budget Deficit Widens to $1.3 Trillion as Interest on Public Debt Hits Recordand for what exactly? what was achieved or is in the process of being achieved by the best people to ever lead, being led by the leader of leaders? if those are the collateral costs? Bolded - so farcical... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims." https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism"terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." elaborate if you were so kind. in case you are debate lording which seems a high probability... I'll bite. how is it the definitions fault that the richest man on the planet is also allowed to make decisions on the highest level of US politics. checks and balances are there for a reason, people not understanding it is unfortunate though not unexpected given the trajectory of libraries closing and tiktok stars rising. in a sane world people would have, well... "reacted" way earlier after their loved ones drowned or burned to death because of absurd design decisions of the Teslas. + Show Spoiler +Tesla Vehicles’ Manual Release Mechanisms: Not Intuitive
Tesla vehicles are equipped with manual release mechanisms for emergencies, but their functionality and accessibility vary significantly across different models. In most Tesla models, including the Model S, Model 3, and Model Y, manual door release levers are located near the door handles or within the door panels. For the front doors, these levers are generally easy to access; for instance, the Model 3 and Model Y feature mechanical release levers on the front doors, allowing occupants to manually unlock the doors if the electronic systems fail.
However, the rear doors present more challenges. In some Model Y vehicles, for example, the manual release mechanism requires users to remove a floor mat and access a hidden release tab, a procedure that may not be intuitive or practical during high-pressure situations like a fire. Such a design complicates escape for rear passengers who might be unfamiliar with the mechanism’s location, especially when time is critical.
Despite efforts by Tesla to educate owners through manuals and emergency response guides, the placement and design of these manual releases remain points of concern. Occupants who are unfamiliar with their vehicle’s safety features may struggle to locate or operate these mechanisms during emergencies. Critics argue that while Tesla has included these safety measures, their complexity and inconsistent placement across models could hinder effective escape in a crisis.
For instance, the Model 3 only has manual release mechanisms for the front doors, making it impossible for rear-seat passengers to exit manually if power fails. In the Model X, the rear door manual release requires users to remove a speaker grille, making it even less accessible during emergencies. These limitations have led to reports of individuals being trapped in Tesla vehicles during power failures or accidents.
Critics suggest that Tesla should redesign these features to enhance accessibility or provide clearer, more visible guidance for owners and passengers. Although Tesla emphasizes that these manual releases are meant only for situations when electronic systems fail, many believe that the current setup may still not meet optimal safety standards. While the company has made efforts to inform users through manuals, the onus often falls on owners to familiarize themselves with these features to prevent potentially dangerous situations.
The manual release mechanisms in Tesla’s Model Y, as shown in the images, reveal potential safety issues during emergencies, especially when the vehicle catches fire. While Tesla has designed these features as a safety measure, their complexity and location raise concerns about their usability in high-stress scenarios. or losing their lives having faith in FDS which has been around the corner since... well who even knows at this point. couple years even before the pandemic. Elon going into politics is exactly because of the above - literally. he gutted consumer protection agencies and the NHTSA which has been investigating him and his car's faults - which verifiably tend to crash more often and in return cost people lives. wasn't there also something with the SEC which got stopped in its tracks? regulatory capture done right you might say. and I am not even mentioning SpaceX/Starlink where he sucks on the government's teats for the longest time and the foreseeable future. the most secure revenue stream known to mankind. how are people supposed to react at this point? people are like the current. seeking the path of least resistance. for elmo it is giving 250+mio. to get the influence he craves because he simply has such an amount in his sock drawer. and making Twitter unusable as the algorithm is way more skewed than it has ever been. instead of facing the music and improving his cars. in ordinary people's case it is hitting him in the swasticar, boycotting and... well going overboard burning them. though hopefully keeping it civil and protesting the sad state of affairs for the most part. There is not much to elaborate. "Tesla burners" are terrorists. Thats why I put definitions there. Using violence to achieve political goal is literally what they do. Saying that categorizing them as terrorists is "comical, farcical" is either blatant lie, or pure ignorance. Rest of your post have nothing to do with whether they are terrorists, or not. Do some people have grievances against Musk? yeah probably (I mean you have entire thread here). Does it change anything? Not at all. okey, agree to disagree then if clinging to definitions is the be-all and end-all. depending where you stand however, one's freedom fighter is another one's terrorist. might want to think especially about January 6th 21'. the ramifications of the event itself, aftermath, commission and its findings... and the subsequent pardons. bolded - Fair enough. Italic - absolutely correct. (Edited in: You do not seem to extend this to January 6 folks however?) Bolded 2 - hate repeating myself so: Show nested quote +On April 12 2025 09:20 Razyda wrote:On April 12 2025 09:14 Sermokala wrote:On April 12 2025 09:11 Razyda wrote:On April 11 2025 19:16 Doublemint wrote:On April 11 2025 14:49 EnDeR_ wrote:On April 11 2025 14:11 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 05:31 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2025 04:13 oBlade wrote:On April 11 2025 02:40 Dan HH wrote:
I'm less concerned with corpo shitbags trying to make numbers go up no matter the circumstances, than I am with all the videos of gleeful smirking ICE agents that look like they were all just itching for someone to give them permission to act on their intrusive thoughts. They're not just following orders, this is like Chrismas for sociopaths. I am more concerned with people who skirt the rules to line their own pockets, destroy small businesses to build transnational untouchable conglomerates whose #1 concerns are cheap exploitable labor and dependent consumer classes, than the facial expressions of people who enforce the law against brazen and systemic trampling of it. What is the law worth when Trump just pardons people who side with him or run darknet market operations because it makes people buy crypto ? Try besieging the Austrian parliament and breaking stuff in it and see who pardons you. Vandalize the seat of US power = pardon Burn cars = Terrorism It‘s comical how the US is currently run. It already was on his first term but it wasn‘t as obvious. Dude has a Russian visum in the drawer. I have to exercise a lot of restraint on the daily to not take a fat crap over the situation. Case in point. Maybe mass burning cars that are targeted based on the politics of the head of the company to induce fear would best be classified a youthful mistake? A tragic accident? Protected political speech? Mere hooliganism? Burning a couple of cars is small potatoes compared to getting into Congress looking to hang politicians. Just saying. yes. is it good that property is damaged or destroyed? no. but there are laws on the docket already, going full gung ho on "tesla burners", categorizing them as terrorists does not even muster comical. it's farcical. people are pissed, and addressing the underlying reasons is key for lasting peace and good governance. having the richest person on the planet destroying government programs ordinary people rely on... to survive... is so far beyond the pale. mind bending stuff. doge and their leader then lied about massive fraud in the federal government, while being asked about it could not substantiate/verify anything. and to top it off mr. ketamine/elmo then has the gall to act like the cringelord he is at CPAC with his chainsawbrother + Show Spoiler +and some wanna tell me people being pissed at that are the problem? I heard it once said that the "US is a developing nation with a gucci belt". how it is being run kinda fits the bill. more good news... 73% of Americans are financially stressed. Two-thirds say tariff concerns are the source: CNBC surveyU.S. Budget Deficit Widens to $1.3 Trillion as Interest on Public Debt Hits Recordand for what exactly? what was achieved or is in the process of being achieved by the best people to ever lead, being led by the leader of leaders? if those are the collateral costs? Bolded - so farcical... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims." https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism"terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." Insert Generic January 6 comparison here. bolded - Agree on "generic" All of it - Democrats I believe will be free to pardon them for everything from 1862 till 2145. (once they get president elected) I dont think pardon game is the one where you have standing. Biden pardoned what 8k+ people? I think both Hunter and Fauci got pardoned since 2014? with latter not even being accused of anything? Edit: italic You wrote svastika instead of swastika, made me think of googling something considering the pro-Trump narrative you‘re supporting. Is there a w in the Russian language ? Answer: There is no letter/sound equivalent to the English W in Russian. Your efforts of proving that Trump is a (pro-)Russian agent are welcomed.
I don‘t intend to argue semantics in any case.
If someone who sells a product does things that cause anger in people, and said people thrash the product as a consequence, you could say the fault is with both.
But one side carries a higher responsibility by holding power and facing little risk to their livelihood, while the other carries a lot of risk and risks their livelihood and still sees it as wortwhile to do that.
When you act out as chief propagandist to a totalitarian nutjob who continuously proves that the pursuit of stability isn’t in his agenda, you accept the risks.
There‘s nothing that prevents billionaires from living a quiet life. It‘s the aggressive imposing of a messiah syndrome through media bombardement and interference in foreign politics that rubs many the wrong way.
Last I read that certain someone say ‚I never did anything wrong ever‘ or something along those lines and that was enough to know what societies have to deal with nowadays.
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On April 13 2025 07:53 BlackJack wrote:
Striking for some temporary victories that only treat the symptoms seems like a waste of time. If you want lasting change ask for things like term limits in Congress, banning politicians from trading stocks, overturning citizens united, etc. Getting rid of the boomers that have made being a politician a lifelong grift would get you more in the long run than any single-issue ask.
I probably agree, although as I said earlier, protests that change the political course of a country often start small. The Arab spring didn't start with regime change, it started with accountability for police and an end to police brutality, in a provincial city nobody really cared about. Fairly small goals, and far away from the capital. But ones Ben Ali was unwilling to grant. Then it grew.
So yeah, if your must-have is a rewriting of the constitution to get fairer elections and strict money limits, transparency in lobbying, etc. then I fully support you. But I think we're starting small with demands and wants that the current regime could actually just do without any major political overhaul. Even though I don't think it's a secret GH definitely does want a major political overhaul (and I'm larping a US resident: I have no power to strike or protest for US domestic things).
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On April 13 2025 16:48 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2025 07:53 BlackJack wrote:
Striking for some temporary victories that only treat the symptoms seems like a waste of time. If you want lasting change ask for things like term limits in Congress, banning politicians from trading stocks, overturning citizens united, etc. Getting rid of the boomers that have made being a politician a lifelong grift would get you more in the long run than any single-issue ask. I probably agree, although as I said earlier, protests that change the political course of a country often start small. The Arab spring didn't start with regime change, it started with accountability for police and an end to police brutality, in a provincial city nobody really cared about. Fairly small goals, and far away from the capital. But ones Ben Ali was unwilling to grant. Then it grew. So yeah, if your must-have is a rewriting of the constitution to get fairer elections and strict money limits, transparency in lobbying, etc. then I fully support you. But I think we're starting small with demands and wants that the current regime could actually just do without any major political overhaul. Even though I don't think it's a secret GH definitely does want a major political overhaul (and I'm larping a US resident: I have no power to strike or protest for US domestic things).
I shouldn’t say it’s a waste of time but I wouldn’t commit to a strike for asks like ending Musk’s DOGE, especially since his special government employee status expires next month
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On April 13 2025 17:59 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2025 16:48 Acrofales wrote:On April 13 2025 07:53 BlackJack wrote:
Striking for some temporary victories that only treat the symptoms seems like a waste of time. If you want lasting change ask for things like term limits in Congress, banning politicians from trading stocks, overturning citizens united, etc. Getting rid of the boomers that have made being a politician a lifelong grift would get you more in the long run than any single-issue ask. I probably agree, although as I said earlier, protests that change the political course of a country often start small. The Arab spring didn't start with regime change, it started with accountability for police and an end to police brutality, in a provincial city nobody really cared about. Fairly small goals, and far away from the capital. But ones Ben Ali was unwilling to grant. Then it grew. So yeah, if your must-have is a rewriting of the constitution to get fairer elections and strict money limits, transparency in lobbying, etc. then I fully support you. But I think we're starting small with demands and wants that the current regime could actually just do without any major political overhaul. Even though I don't think it's a secret GH definitely does want a major political overhaul (and I'm larping a US resident: I have no power to strike or protest for US domestic things). I shouldn’t say it’s a waste of time but I wouldn’t commit to a strike for asks like ending Musk’s DOGE, especially since his special government employee status expires next month
I don't think you're the target audience, but what would be your demands and wants for a strike?
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On April 13 2025 18:21 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2025 17:59 BlackJack wrote:On April 13 2025 16:48 Acrofales wrote:On April 13 2025 07:53 BlackJack wrote:
Striking for some temporary victories that only treat the symptoms seems like a waste of time. If you want lasting change ask for things like term limits in Congress, banning politicians from trading stocks, overturning citizens united, etc. Getting rid of the boomers that have made being a politician a lifelong grift would get you more in the long run than any single-issue ask. I probably agree, although as I said earlier, protests that change the political course of a country often start small. The Arab spring didn't start with regime change, it started with accountability for police and an end to police brutality, in a provincial city nobody really cared about. Fairly small goals, and far away from the capital. But ones Ben Ali was unwilling to grant. Then it grew. So yeah, if your must-have is a rewriting of the constitution to get fairer elections and strict money limits, transparency in lobbying, etc. then I fully support you. But I think we're starting small with demands and wants that the current regime could actually just do without any major political overhaul. Even though I don't think it's a secret GH definitely does want a major political overhaul (and I'm larping a US resident: I have no power to strike or protest for US domestic things). I shouldn’t say it’s a waste of time but I wouldn’t commit to a strike for asks like ending Musk’s DOGE, especially since his special government employee status expires next month I don't think you're the target audience, but what would be your demands and wants for a strike?
I have plenty of demands or wants but I can't see myself striking for any of them, to be honest.
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The USA sweatshop factory memes are hilarious. The obese workers are no joke. 40% of American adults are obese. Despite what the 'body positivity' experts want obese people to feel about their bodies.... Obesity is a massive health risk. Obesity is a big impediment to a happy life.
China had an obesity rate of 3.1% in 2004. It is now 16.1%.
Many food scientists dedicate their research lives to creating hyper processed foods that light up the human brain more than cocaine.
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On April 13 2025 21:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
The USA sweatshop factory memes are hilarious. The obese workers are no joke. 40% of American adults are obese. Despite what the 'body positivity' experts want obese people to feel about their bodies.... Obesity is a massive health risk. Obesity is a big impediment to a happy life.
China had an obesity rate of 3.1% in 2004. It is now 16.1%.
Many food scientists dedicate their research lives to creating hyper processed foods that light up the human brain more than cocaine.
Corn syrup in everything, absolutely jacked cattle on steroids and lack of movement.
Personally I like lighting up my brain with Italian cheese these days.
Yeah I want to be able to buy a shoe made in USA by busy Floridian schoolkids working weekend shifts in a sewing plant. /s
Not that I wouldn‘t buy them. It‘s just a strange idea of national wealth that Republicans have there.
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On April 13 2025 21:47 Vivax wrote:
absolutely jacked cattle on steroids and lack of movement.
the only way cattle can get "jacked" is via muscular contractions through movement. the steroids do not create the stimulus for muscle growth. muscle contractions create that stimulus.
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Gonna need some sources on that bro
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