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EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2774 Posts
April 02 2025 12:44 GMT
#97741
This is majorly messed up www.theguardian.com

Israel announces intention to seize large areas of Gaza Strip in major escalation

Israel’s defence minister has said the country intends to “seize large areas” of the Gaza Strip amid a major expansion of aerial and ground operations in the besieged Palestinian territory.

Israel Katz said in a statement on Wednesday that “troops will move to clear areas of terrorists and infrastructure, and seize extensive territory that will be added to the state of Israel’s security areas”.


I guess I was wrong, I was anticipating the erasure of Palestine by the end of Trump's term, but at the rate things are going, it might be much sooner than that. On the positive side, genocide will definitely be off the ballot in 4 years' time!
estás más desubicao q un croissant en un plato de nécoras
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21950 Posts
April 02 2025 12:53 GMT
#97742
I'd pretend to be shocked but we all knew this was going to happen. Netanyahu didn't spend all that time bombing Gaza flat to just let them keep it and rebuild another ghetto slum.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23459 Posts
April 02 2025 12:53 GMT
#97743
LibHorizons: Feels bizarre for an ostensibly "non-partisan judge" election to be so obviously partisan that it's ubiquitously celebrated as a win for one party and understood as a loss for the other.

Why not just drop the facade of it being non-partisan? Especially when the parties themselves/their respective billionaires spend so much money on the race.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2774 Posts
April 02 2025 13:04 GMT
#97744
On April 02 2025 21:53 Gorsameth wrote:
I'd pretend to be shocked but we all knew this was going to happen. Netanyahu didn't spend all that time bombing Gaza flat to just let them keep it and rebuild another ghetto slum.


I wonder if Netanyahu is accelerating the timetable to make sure he gets it done before the mid-terms. He might be anticipating that Trump won't be able to be as supportive if he loses the house/senate.
estás más desubicao q un croissant en un plato de nécoras
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21950 Posts
April 02 2025 13:10 GMT
#97745
On April 02 2025 22:04 EnDeR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 21:53 Gorsameth wrote:
I'd pretend to be shocked but we all knew this was going to happen. Netanyahu didn't spend all that time bombing Gaza flat to just let them keep it and rebuild another ghetto slum.


I wonder if Netanyahu is accelerating the timetable to make sure he gets it done before the mid-terms. He might be anticipating that Trump won't be able to be as supportive if he loses the house/senate.
I think he always wanted to get it done as quickly as he thinks he can get away with because waiting longer just increases the odds someone decides to grow a spine.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18113 Posts
April 02 2025 13:12 GMT
#97746
On April 02 2025 22:04 EnDeR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 21:53 Gorsameth wrote:
I'd pretend to be shocked but we all knew this was going to happen. Netanyahu didn't spend all that time bombing Gaza flat to just let them keep it and rebuild another ghetto slum.


I wonder if Netanyahu is accelerating the timetable to make sure he gets it done before the mid-terms. He might be anticipating that Trump won't be able to be as supportive if he loses the house/senate.

Make hay while the sun shines...

Netanyahu obviously wanted this from the start, but his main ally was holding him back (slightly). Now they aren't, so he's hitting the gas. Whatever happens in the future, speed running the Gaza genocide will be a fait accompli...
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26018 Posts
April 02 2025 13:33 GMT
#97747
On April 02 2025 21:44 EnDeR_ wrote:
This is majorly messed up www.theguardian.com

Show nested quote +
Israel announces intention to seize large areas of Gaza Strip in major escalation

Israel’s defence minister has said the country intends to “seize large areas” of the Gaza Strip amid a major expansion of aerial and ground operations in the besieged Palestinian territory.

Israel Katz said in a statement on Wednesday that “troops will move to clear areas of terrorists and infrastructure, and seize extensive territory that will be added to the state of Israel’s security areas”.


I guess I was wrong, I was anticipating the erasure of Palestine by the end of Trump's term, but at the rate things are going, it might be much sooner than that. On the positive side, genocide will definitely be off the ballot in 4 years' time!

Man that was dark, but hey sometimes you either laugh or you cry.

Without some, seemingly rather unlikely intervention with some teeth from the international community, it appears the remaining question is if Gazan Palestinians are just left in an ever shrinking area, in ever shittier limbo or if they’re forcibly relocated somewhere.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26018 Posts
April 02 2025 13:36 GMT
#97748
Happy Liberation Day everyone! Also isn’t that an SC2 campaign mission title?

Perhaps odd is not the word, it’s quite typical really. Anyone else finding it somewhat odd though that every article they read eventually ends up at the same ‘we don’t really know’ shrug point? You’d think such a big statement announcement would be in the ‘we know the general structure but not all the details’ kinda phase.

I suppose some credit can be taken on leak discipline, if I’m being generous.

Let’s just say I would not be blown away if we saw some oddly specific, arbitrary tariffs and some trading before the big reveal later.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21950 Posts
April 02 2025 13:44 GMT
#97749
On April 02 2025 22:36 WombaT wrote:
Happy Liberation Day everyone! Also isn’t that an SC2 campaign mission title?

Perhaps odd is not the word, it’s quite typical really. Anyone else finding it somewhat odd though that every article they read eventually ends up at the same ‘we don’t really know’ shrug point? You’d think such a big statement announcement would be in the ‘we know the general structure but not all the details’ kinda phase.

I suppose some credit can be taken on leak discipline, if I’m being generous.

Let’s just say I would not be blown away if we saw some oddly specific, arbitrary tariffs and some trading before the big reveal later.
Its "we don't know" because no one knows. The plan at any moment is simply what Trumps deranged mind barfs forth.

There is no leak discipline when there is nothing to leak because no one knows what is even happening.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2774 Posts
April 02 2025 13:49 GMT
#97750
On April 02 2025 22:33 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 21:44 EnDeR_ wrote:
This is majorly messed up www.theguardian.com

Israel announces intention to seize large areas of Gaza Strip in major escalation

Israel’s defence minister has said the country intends to “seize large areas” of the Gaza Strip amid a major expansion of aerial and ground operations in the besieged Palestinian territory.

Israel Katz said in a statement on Wednesday that “troops will move to clear areas of terrorists and infrastructure, and seize extensive territory that will be added to the state of Israel’s security areas”.


I guess I was wrong, I was anticipating the erasure of Palestine by the end of Trump's term, but at the rate things are going, it might be much sooner than that. On the positive side, genocide will definitely be off the ballot in 4 years' time!

Man that was dark, but hey sometimes you either laugh or you cry.

Without some, seemingly rather unlikely intervention with some teeth from the international community, it appears the remaining question is if Gazan Palestinians are just left in an ever shrinking area, in ever shittier limbo or if they’re forcibly relocated somewhere.


It's so depressing. I've stopped purchasing anything originating from Israel and have stopped reviewing project proposals involving Israeli scientists as well as papers. Definitely meagre, but not sure what else I can personally do -- Spain is already more pro-Palestine than the rest of Europe so unlikely to achieve anything else voting-wise.

I'd guess they'll start by living in limbo somewhere very shitty and eventually will be forced to relocate elsewhere. This is just awful.
estás más desubicao q un croissant en un plato de nécoras
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1242 Posts
April 02 2025 14:08 GMT
#97751
On April 02 2025 22:04 EnDeR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 21:53 Gorsameth wrote:
I'd pretend to be shocked but we all knew this was going to happen. Netanyahu didn't spend all that time bombing Gaza flat to just let them keep it and rebuild another ghetto slum.


I wonder if Netanyahu is accelerating the timetable to make sure he gets it done before the mid-terms. He might be anticipating that Trump won't be able to be as supportive if he loses the house/senate.

I don't think Netanyahu wants to win, he wants to keep the war going. The only thing keeping him out of jail is his political office and the only thing keeping him in office is the war. I think he will keep pushing the envelope to make sure the war continues. I guess he could "win" in the Gaza and then turn to the Westbank to keep the conflict alive. But I think the more likely outcome is him to continue fighting in Gaza for as long as he lives to keep the power for himself.

Netanyahu is not a principled man, he is a political animal who only cares about his own power. To keep it he has continually moved more extreme as those people were willing to overlook his corruption charges as long as he delivered on their extreme views. I think he will continue to stoke the fires for his own benefit.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1084 Posts
April 02 2025 14:20 GMT
#97752
Would the US actually agree if NATO stops freeloading?

Like Giving up their oversea bases to the closest ally to maintain or close?

Selling off huge chunks of the Inventory to Partners?

USAF has 400 Tankers (KC135), 222x C17 and 50xC5 Transports.. and thousands of Fighters....that's gigantic.

I think The US can do with 20 tankers and 40 C17, and 10 Galaxy.

Sell off the rest to Germany/UK/Canada/Australia/Japan?

As well as the Juicy stuff. B52, B2, F22.. just let the partners shoulder some of the R&D and maintainance cost.

Plans and Softwarebase must be sold with the planes though. Similar action to Navy and Army. Just cut the material and personal by 75% and sell off everything to partners or scrap it.

Even the nuclear stockpile can be reduced and given to NATO countries.. because maintaining it is fucking expensive.

Wouldn't take a year to transfer the material, fire the soldiers, see the contractors move abroad and than that's ..that.

If another Bush wants to wage another War in Iraq in the future.. you'd likely have to call germany for lending out those C17 again.. and the Ramstein base.


Is this what Trump wants?

"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20074 Posts
April 02 2025 14:25 GMT
#97753
On April 02 2025 14:02 oBlade wrote:
You (basically) need to do what the president decides. This has nothing to do with dictatorship. That is called leadership. And you have to do it for a couple of reasons I thought would be obvious. 1) They were elected and you weren't. 2) See 1. 3) If they're right, and you're wrong, and you obstruct things that people want to the degree that the person is blamed for it not happening even though it was your fault for sabotaging/ruining things, and that gets political gains/victories for the opposition, then you are demonstrably a political operative so being fired from the beginning was correct.

Any suggestion the military should not be loyal to the elected civilian president in a constitutional republic is orders of magnitude more frightening than the idea they should be. That means any deranged fuck like Milley who thinks their job is to do things behind the commander-in-chief's back needs to be shown the door (or window) in a profoundly expedited way.


You're either wildly ignorant of our government and military structure or just being purposefully antagonistic. If it's the former, I recommend a middle school social studies class, if it's the latter then maybe a pre-school class where we all learned to get along.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26018 Posts
April 02 2025 15:04 GMT
#97754
On April 02 2025 22:49 EnDeR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 22:33 WombaT wrote:
On April 02 2025 21:44 EnDeR_ wrote:
This is majorly messed up www.theguardian.com

Israel announces intention to seize large areas of Gaza Strip in major escalation

Israel’s defence minister has said the country intends to “seize large areas” of the Gaza Strip amid a major expansion of aerial and ground operations in the besieged Palestinian territory.

Israel Katz said in a statement on Wednesday that “troops will move to clear areas of terrorists and infrastructure, and seize extensive territory that will be added to the state of Israel’s security areas”.


I guess I was wrong, I was anticipating the erasure of Palestine by the end of Trump's term, but at the rate things are going, it might be much sooner than that. On the positive side, genocide will definitely be off the ballot in 4 years' time!

Man that was dark, but hey sometimes you either laugh or you cry.

Without some, seemingly rather unlikely intervention with some teeth from the international community, it appears the remaining question is if Gazan Palestinians are just left in an ever shrinking area, in ever shittier limbo or if they’re forcibly relocated somewhere.


It's so depressing. I've stopped purchasing anything originating from Israel and have stopped reviewing project proposals involving Israeli scientists as well as papers. Definitely meagre, but not sure what else I can personally do -- Spain is already more pro-Palestine than the rest of Europe so unlikely to achieve anything else voting-wise.

I'd guess they'll start by living in limbo somewhere very shitty and eventually will be forced to relocate elsewhere. This is just awful.

Yeah along with Ireland, whose colonial past definitely informs a lot of sympathy. I mean what can ya do? Even less sympathetic European nations tend to draw their particular lines way before some of what we’ve seen.

Depressing is certainly the word.

I’ve long favoured a version of the isolation South Africa received, but the US is a rather big sticking point there. I think it was right to let Israeli sportspeople compete in European competition in the past, equally I find it hard to justify that courtesy now. To pick just one area.

The US’ levels of support were already pretty nauseating, now there’s seemingly zero red lines whatsoever. It’s utterly heinous and inexcusable.

And hey guess who isn’t going to be in the crosshairs of any upcoming tariffs later? It’s a hard one so I’ll be offering a significant prize
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8636 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-02 15:20:48
April 02 2025 15:06 GMT
#97755
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/01/trump-aggression-unite-formidable-anti-us-economic-alliance/

The picture blazoned across Asia’s front pages – though barely registering in the US – showed the trade ministers of the three economic powers holding hands in a collective gesture of Asian defiance.

It is one of the most striking economic defeats suffered by America that I have witnessed in more than 40 years covering international affairs. Trump’s “liberation day” cuts two ways.

They agreed to forge ahead with free trade agreements but also to flesh out the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP), the world’s largest trade pact on paper and a venture viewed by US hardliners as a Trojan horse for Chinese commercial hegemony.

“For all intents and purposes, the US is now a rogue nation when it comes to trade,” said Michael Gasiorek, the director of the UK Trade Policy Observatory at the University of Sussex.

“I don’t think there is a global trade war going on. The US is fighting a trade war with everybody but the others are keen to co-operate even more.”

...

Trump’s tariffs are, of course, unconstitutional. Article I of the Constitution gives Congress exclusive power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,” and for good reason.

The drafters feared a drift towards monarchy if the president had an independent source of revenue, as Charles I had sought to do by stretching and abusing the “wartime emergency” justification for raising Ship Money in the 1630s.

Congress has delegated certain tariff powers to the White House in various acts, mostly in the 1970s, but only for limited purposes. Trump has abused these in exactly the same way as the Stuarts by claiming, yes, emergencies, such as the fiction of fentanyl and migrants from Canada.

The data actually show that the US is itself a net exporter of fentanyl, migrants and illegal firearms to boot across the Canadian border.

A few Republicans are grumbling. Congressman Don Bacon said last week that Capitol Hill had “made a mistake” by giving presidents too much scope to raise tariffs.

“We have the power of the purse, and I think we should restore these authorities back to the House,” he said.

Good for him, but don’t hold your breath waiting for common sense Republicans to face down the intimidation of the Trump-Musk-Maga machine. Nor do I expect restraint from the Supreme Court, itself now in thrall to the Bonapartist cult of unitary executive theory
.

...
He has already warned his victims not to talk to each other. “If the European Union works with Canada in order to do economic harm to the USA, large scale tariffs, far larger than currently planned, will be placed on them both,” he posted on Truth Social.

But talk they will, because the world cannot put up with this wolf warrior behaviour any longer, and they will retaliate until the temple comes down on Trump’s head as well as their own. Where does the Trump “put” lie?

The S&P 500 at 5,000, gold at $3,500, Bitcoin at $50 or Tesla heading for bankruptcy? Let’s test it, shall we?


the (UK) conservative telegraph has enough of stable genius antics. I wholeheartedly recommend the full read.

looking forward to the liberation day fireworks. but as with real fireworks, having idiots handle them might blow up in someone else's face.

/edit: rather their World Economy Editor which amounts to just about the same. Ambrose Evans-Pritchard.
in the age of "Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV" leadership.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5765 Posts
April 02 2025 15:31 GMT
#97756
On April 02 2025 21:29 Billyboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 14:02 oBlade wrote:
On April 02 2025 05:10 Billyboy wrote:
On April 02 2025 03:22 oBlade wrote:
On April 01 2025 21:17 KT_Elwood wrote:
On April 01 2025 01:27 oBlade wrote:
He pardoned the Nikola guy either for donations, or because the thought Nikola and Tesla were related and assumed he was doing Musk a favor.

Unfortunately Patrick Adamiak, who owned and sold gun parts legally, and had replica (i.e., not) machine guns, hasn't gotten any relief even though he's in prison because the ATF perjured themselves and a judge was apparently asleep at the wheel.

Pardons could probably be on a dual-executive basis, i.e. you need both the president and VP to get it through. In fact the executive branch would do well to be a consulate with respect to all powers, not just pardons.



Pretty sure the Trump Admin will go after the gun owners and everyone at armed forces and police that isn't a loyalist next.
Can't risk having an actual armed militia that's unhappy with Trump admin.


The former is not a physically tractable policy but the latter would be great yeah.

This is low key one of the most frighten things about the political movement you support oBlade. You openly admit that you value loyalty to Trump over competency and fairness. You are more or less openly calling for a dictatorship for you side.

This is why people not within your movement can not begin to understand you. There is not a single dictatorship that is better for the people. Unless you are a high ranking member of the Trump group, why would any logical sensible person want this of their justice system and military?

Says here "loyalist" is anyone who doesn't spend their whole life resigning, mutinying, disobeying, maliciously complying, and obstructing their chief. It's a pejorative. When Trump fires people who have openly fought him, and his agenda, and supported things antithetical to those he supports, this is called "normal" not "dictatorship" and those who remain are not "loyalists" but "normal." Competence is relative. For example, if you are building a house, you could hire Bob's Contracting, with a 70% competence rate, or Joe's Demolitions, with a 100% competence rate. While the latter is more competent in the abstract, for the specific goal they could potentially be contrary to the entire enterprise of house-building.

You (basically) need to do what the president decides. This has nothing to do with dictatorship. That is called leadership. And you have to do it for a couple of reasons I thought would be obvious. 1) They were elected and you weren't. 2) See 1. 3) If they're right, and you're wrong, and you obstruct things that people want to the degree that the person is blamed for it not happening even though it was your fault for sabotaging/ruining things, and that gets political gains/victories for the opposition, then you are demonstrably a political operative so being fired from the beginning was correct.

Any suggestion the military should not be loyal to the elected civilian president in a constitutional republic is orders of magnitude more frightening than the idea they should be. That means any deranged fuck like Milley who thinks their job is to do things behind the commander-in-chief's back needs to be shown the door (or window) in a profoundly expedited way.

It actually does. Elected officials and public servants are just that servants to the people. They are bound by rules to the system and constitution all to protect from loyalty to one man. All you need to do to realize how important it is image that it is the other guys wins and then your opinion will completely switch.

I lived through Biden. What are you talking about "image[sic]." I don't have to imagine anything. I know the Democrats' keen ability to mess things up in a matter of mere years because I saw it, and I'm not interested in thousands of their lackeys protecting me from democracy.

On April 02 2025 21:29 Billyboy wrote:
Just imagine this Trump succeeds and the supreme court rules 3rd terms are allowed.

This is not a serious sentence, but since you said imagine I'll play the game for a second.
On April 02 2025 21:29 Billyboy wrote:
Obama re-enters the race he is backed by Oprah, Gates and Saros. The race is close, even with all the balloting and districting favouring Trump. Then Musk drops dead from a ketamine overdose, his fortune falls to his eldest son under Trumps new rules, which to the left is a transwomen but under Trumps laws they are a he and entitled to it all. "He" puts the entire fortune behind Obama, with the writing on the wall all the other oligarchs quickly jump ship, Zuckerburg announces the problem with DEI and moderation is that it did not go nearly far enough and mass bans everyone who ever said a bad word.

Private and corporate collusion in politics is an enormous problem. Corporate control of our media, social media, messaging, and censorship is another. When people and organizations that like Facebook/X that used to collude with Democrats stop doing so, due to relativity it may appear they are now colluding with Republicans because the relative motion from "D" to neutral is in the direction of "R," but that requires them having been neutral to begin with, which they weren't. Zuckerberg is not running Facebook in a MAGA way, he is running Facebook in a largely neutral way at the moment, just with the goal of destroying the customer experience and pushing VR bullshit. He wouldn't be jumping ship so much as getting back on a ship that he got off.

On April 02 2025 21:29 Billyboy wrote:
Democrats sweep with the biggest blue wave in history. You really want them to have carte blanche to free whoever they want? Put in loyalists with no experience? And implement their radical left communist agenda through executive order with no push back? Just listen to the commander and chief no matter if sends the military to deport everyone at WWE shows?

If you think that's what Democrats are about, or would do with unfettered power, that is either an indictment of you, or them, or anyway it would be a reason to never vote for another one again, ever. Because your fantasy examples here, that you appear to be using as like a bizarro mirror version of what Republicans want - don't exist as such that I can see. Trump hasn't made any moves to for example deport every American citizen who attends anime conventions, nor has he indicated support for that ever, nor has his effort to do so been heroically blocked by Democrat legal efforts.

On April 02 2025 21:29 Billyboy wrote:
Of course not. If you want to what is important in a democracy don't think about how it should be for your guy, think of how you want it for their guy.

I want the executive branch to follow its leader the people elect, through the cabinet he appoints. It's not complicated, and there is no double standard. You have to do absolutely everything within his power the way he says, so that when it works, the people can know to choose that again, and when it doesn't, the people can know to make a change.

You're going off about "what if" this and that. There's no "if." It's already happened. 8 years of Obama already filled the executive branch with progressive loyalists. And as I post and you ignored, the Democrats have no problem using 235 federal judges explicitly appointed to be political opposition to hamstring the president with more injunctions in his first few months than the last few presidents combined.

When things go before "conservative" judges, if the liberal case is right, they rule for the liberal. If the conservative case is right, they rule for the conservative. When things go before liberal judges, they rule for the liberal. This is why the administration now cannot even "rely" on Roberts and Barrett.

When Democrats gain power in states and municipalities, they decriminalize or legalize drugs, in opposition to federal statues and federal drug scheduling. Despite the supremacy clause. They create "sanctuary" jurisdictions which ignore federal immigration law, and reject enforcement of it. Despite the supremacy clause. When they have gained federal power in the last administration, they extended that subversion to the national level. Not satisfied with that, they actually attacked border states in court for actually having the gall to protect themselves from invasion because that trespassed on Biden and Mayorkas's sacred right to ignore their responsibility to enforce basic federal law. Invoking the supremacy clause. That is an absolutely serpentine perversion of my country's law, and institutions, and norms. Notwithstanding the time a decrepit 82 year old racist's White House intern tried to ratify a constitutional amendment via Twitter.

The president used a power to grant temporary protected status to 350,000 Venezuelans - without a hitch - but would you believe it? arandom federal judge blocked the current president, who has the exact same powers, from reversing that status. Because of course a Republican shouldn't be able to just do the opposite of a Democrat, that must be an illegal executive overreach. Or maybe this is. Biden tried to cancel $400 billion in student loans, and after getting blocked by the Supreme Court, he canceled... $200 billion. Where were those 235 judicial activists? Mum. Perhaps the right-wing analogues should have intervened? No, because they don't exist on the "conservative" side.

Every president after Carter has killed people on purpose. If you include getting people killed then it becomes every president since at least Hoover - no offense to Mr. Peanut, he just ran some bad luck. This is the job. This is reality. It's an enormous power. It is messy. Obama droned an American citizen on purpose. Selective application of the Angel Standard for Presidents is itself norm-breaking absurdity. Like I'm truly sorry if Trump fired someone using the wrong font or didn't cross a t and dot an i when deporting a Tren de Aragua gang member. But it absolutely pales compared to above Democrat trampling of law and there are certain things they need to learn which is to suck it up when they lost and it isn't their turn - if the American people should ever find they deserve another one.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26018 Posts
April 02 2025 15:32 GMT
#97757
On April 03 2025 00:06 Doublemint wrote:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/01/trump-aggression-unite-formidable-anti-us-economic-alliance/

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The picture blazoned across Asia’s front pages – though barely registering in the US – showed the trade ministers of the three economic powers holding hands in a collective gesture of Asian defiance.

It is one of the most striking economic defeats suffered by America that I have witnessed in more than 40 years covering international affairs. Trump’s “liberation day” cuts two ways.

They agreed to forge ahead with free trade agreements but also to flesh out the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP), the world’s largest trade pact on paper and a venture viewed by US hardliners as a Trojan horse for Chinese commercial hegemony.

“For all intents and purposes, the US is now a rogue nation when it comes to trade,” said Michael Gasiorek, the director of the UK Trade Policy Observatory at the University of Sussex.

“I don’t think there is a global trade war going on. The US is fighting a trade war with everybody but the others are keen to co-operate even more.”

...

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Trump’s tariffs are, of course, unconstitutional. Article I of the Constitution gives Congress exclusive power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,” and for good reason.

The drafters feared a drift towards monarchy if the president had an independent source of revenue, as Charles I had sought to do by stretching and abusing the “wartime emergency” justification for raising Ship Money in the 1630s.

Congress has delegated certain tariff powers to the White House in various acts, mostly in the 1970s, but only for limited purposes. Trump has abused these in exactly the same way as the Stuarts by claiming, yes, emergencies, such as the fiction of fentanyl and migrants from Canada.

The data actually show that the US is itself a net exporter of fentanyl, migrants and illegal firearms to boot across the Canadian border.

A few Republicans are grumbling. Congressman Don Bacon said last week that Capitol Hill had “made a mistake” by giving presidents too much scope to raise tariffs.

“We have the power of the purse, and I think we should restore these authorities back to the House,” he said.

Good for him, but don’t hold your breath waiting for common sense Republicans to face down the intimidation of the Trump-Musk-Maga machine. Nor do I expect restraint from the Supreme Court, itself now in thrall to the Bonapartist cult of unitary executive theory
.

...
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He has already warned his victims not to talk to each other. “If the European Union works with Canada in order to do economic harm to the USA, large scale tariffs, far larger than currently planned, will be placed on them both,” he posted on Truth Social.

But talk they will, because the world cannot put up with this wolf warrior behaviour any longer, and they will retaliate until the temple comes down on Trump’s head as well as their own. Where does the Trump “put” lie?

The S&P 500 at 5,000, gold at $3,500, Bitcoin at $50 or Tesla heading for bankruptcy? Let’s test it, shall we?


the (UK) conservative telegraph has enough of stable genius antics. I wholeheartedly recommend the full read.

looking forward to the liberation day fireworks. but as with real fireworks, having idiots handle them might blow up in someone else's face.

That was a good read, cheers for the share.

Not my tribe so to speak but plenty of parts of the conservative furniture in the UK still have the ability to actually assess things that many Stateside seem to have lost in recent times.

Thinking about it more broadly too, I think the madness becomes even more pronounced. You’ve already pissed off Canada and Mexico. Then pissed off Europe, now you’re going ham against seemingly half the globe?

I don’t think I was alone in anticipating something like this with perhaps China specifically, with many nations caught in that awkward crossfire. Instead they’re pulling the genius move of sticking themselves in everyone else’s crosshairs?

Fucking hell, this lot. Take a pretty bloody bad fundamental idea to begin with, then execute in the most asinine way almost possible.
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20074 Posts
April 02 2025 19:12 GMT
#97758
On April 03 2025 00:31 oBlade wrote:
The president used a power to grant temporary protected status to 350,000 Venezuelans - without a hitch - but would you believe it? arandom federal judge blocked the current president, who has the exact same powers, from reversing that status. Because of course a Republican shouldn't be able to just do the opposite of a Democrat, that must be an illegal executive overreach. Or maybe this is. Biden tried to cancel $400 billion in student loans, and after getting blocked by the Supreme Court, he canceled... $200 billion. Where were those 235 judicial activists? Mum. Perhaps the right-wing analogues should have intervened? No, because they don't exist on the "conservative" side.

Every president after Carter has killed people on purpose. If you include getting people killed then it becomes every president since at least Hoover - no offense to Mr. Peanut, he just ran some bad luck. This is the job. This is reality. It's an enormous power. It is messy. Obama droned an American citizen on purpose. Selective application of the Angel Standard for Presidents is itself norm-breaking absurdity. Like I'm truly sorry if Trump fired someone using the wrong font or didn't cross a t and dot an i when deporting a Tren de Aragua gang member. But it absolutely pales compared to above Democrat trampling of law and there are certain things they need to learn which is to suck it up when they lost and it isn't their turn - if the American people should ever find they deserve another one.


"Cross a t and dot an i" he literally admitted to accidentally deporting an el salvador refugee, that had been specifically granted residence by an immigration judge, away from his american family without due process to a fucking el salvador prison, then refused to do anything to rectify it. That's not a grammatical error, it's cruel and unusual behavior toward someone who "did things the right way" (even though that doesn't matter, all persons in america are entitled to constitutional rights outside of voting/holding office)

Also lol at comparing trying to help students with debt to violating the bill of rights. Democrats have also never threatened to fire judges for ruling against them (on top of dismantling all of the federal bodies in charge of internal investigations)
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11928 Posts
April 02 2025 19:40 GMT
#97759
On April 02 2025 23:20 KT_Elwood wrote:
Would the US actually agree if NATO stops freeloading?

Like Giving up their oversea bases to the closest ally to maintain or close?

Selling off huge chunks of the Inventory to Partners?

USAF has 400 Tankers (KC135), 222x C17 and 50xC5 Transports.. and thousands of Fighters....that's gigantic.

I think The US can do with 20 tankers and 40 C17, and 10 Galaxy.

Sell off the rest to Germany/UK/Canada/Australia/Japan?
...


They wouldn't buy them. Europe as a whole doesn't need 100 tankers, how would you sell 300+ of them?

In the ... list I cut out I think the biggest item of interest is the bombers. That is something nobody in Europe has. But perhaps just do more rockets instead.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26018 Posts
April 02 2025 19:44 GMT
#97760
On April 03 2025 04:12 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2025 00:31 oBlade wrote:
The president used a power to grant temporary protected status to 350,000 Venezuelans - without a hitch - but would you believe it? arandom federal judge blocked the current president, who has the exact same powers, from reversing that status. Because of course a Republican shouldn't be able to just do the opposite of a Democrat, that must be an illegal executive overreach. Or maybe this is. Biden tried to cancel $400 billion in student loans, and after getting blocked by the Supreme Court, he canceled... $200 billion. Where were those 235 judicial activists? Mum. Perhaps the right-wing analogues should have intervened? No, because they don't exist on the "conservative" side.

Every president after Carter has killed people on purpose. If you include getting people killed then it becomes every president since at least Hoover - no offense to Mr. Peanut, he just ran some bad luck. This is the job. This is reality. It's an enormous power. It is messy. Obama droned an American citizen on purpose. Selective application of the Angel Standard for Presidents is itself norm-breaking absurdity. Like I'm truly sorry if Trump fired someone using the wrong font or didn't cross a t and dot an i when deporting a Tren de Aragua gang member. But it absolutely pales compared to above Democrat trampling of law and there are certain things they need to learn which is to suck it up when they lost and it isn't their turn - if the American people should ever find they deserve another one.


"Cross a t and dot an i" he literally admitted to accidentally deporting an el salvador refugee, that had been specifically granted residence by an immigration judge, away from his american family without due process to a fucking el salvador prison, then refused to do anything to rectify it. That's not a grammatical error, it's cruel and unusual behavior toward someone who "did things the right way" (even though that doesn't matter, all persons in america are entitled to constitutional rights outside of voting/holding office)

Also lol at comparing trying to help students with debt to violating the bill of rights. Democrats have also never threatened to fire judges for ruling against them (on top of dismantling all of the federal bodies in charge of internal investigations)

To quote KT Elwood ‘ oBlade doesn't apply global logic, only stricly seperated sandboxed logic.’. Which puts it better than I could, much as my arrogant arse hates to admit it it!

Either the Blade is a myopic lunatic, or a dedicated devil’s advocate who’s set themself the hard mode task of defending Donald Trump on the reg.

Hell I’d argue if one didn’t you know, actually know things outside of their framing they do a passable job on. Although the former tends to render the latter entirely moot.

In US politics news I’m hearing/reading a few whispers that Trump is going to kick Musk to the curb already, or well, at least from his DOGE role.
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