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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
March 31 2025 15:18 GMT
#97701
Ah cool then you can just accuse people of indulging in anti-Semitism for leaving themselves ‘wide open’ and saying something as targeted to Jewish emigres as ‘Nations can be a better option for people for all sorts of reasons’.

Retract.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1094 Posts
March 31 2025 15:20 GMT
#97702
If you are in the US, just lie, steal and grift what you want from your fellow man, share your loot with trump, kiss the ring and get pardoned

https://eletric-vehicles.com/nikola/nikola-founder-trevor-milton-pardoned-by-donald-trump-video/

:D
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22106 Posts
March 31 2025 15:28 GMT
#97703
On April 01 2025 00:20 KT_Elwood wrote:
If you are in the US, just lie, steal and grift what you want from your fellow man, share your loot with trump, kiss the ring and get pardoned

https://eletric-vehicles.com/nikola/nikola-founder-trevor-milton-pardoned-by-donald-trump-video/

:D


Didn‘t he also pardon the silk road guy ?
As long as it‘s just stealing, dealing or fraud, it‘s fine.

Not that I don‘t think that sentences in the US are absurdly long for such things or others.
On the other hand it has a bigger issue with violence in general than we do here.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7142 Posts
March 31 2025 16:15 GMT
#97704
On March 31 2025 23:55 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2025 23:52 Luolis wrote:
https://apnews.com/article/transgender-visibility-trump-orders-2f949cdab2673e3becdfc3d213158aa9

I'm so glad i don't live in the USA. Pretty tough when the government wants to illegalize your existence.

I imagine that’s a tough part, but that huge swathes of the actual population you’ll engage with on a day to day feel this too is that bit tougher

True. I'm so sorry for all the trans people who have to deal with this mess. It's disgusting really.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5786 Posts
March 31 2025 16:27 GMT
#97705
He pardoned the Nikola guy either for donations, or because the thought Nikola and Tesla were related and assumed he was doing Musk a favor.

Unfortunately Patrick Adamiak, who owned and sold gun parts legally, and had replica (i.e., not) machine guns, hasn't gotten any relief even though he's in prison because the ATF perjured themselves and a judge was apparently asleep at the wheel.

Pardons could probably be on a dual-executive basis, i.e. you need both the president and VP to get it through. In fact the executive branch would do well to be a consulate with respect to all powers, not just pardons.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23515 Posts
March 31 2025 16:36 GMT
#97706
LibHorizons: Anyone else paying any attention to the Democratic primary for NYC Mayor? Seems like one of the first major battles in the war for the future of the Democratic party.

"I'm about to say something to you you've never heard a politician say: Please stop sending us money," said Mamdani (D-36) in a video posted on social media Monday.

The fundraising haul from 18,000 donors makes Mamdani the first candidate in the mayoral race to reach the cap for donations, including projected matching funds from the city's Campaign Finance Board, and comes three months before the Democratic primary.

In the video posted on Monday, the democratic socialist explains that he aims to grow his 7,000-strong volunteer force to knock on more than 1 million doors across New York City before the June primary election.

A poll released Tuesday by Honan Strategy Group found that—as he was in the group's February survey—Mamdani is currently in second place in the primary contest, with 18% of voters saying they favored him. Twelve percent of voters said they supported him last month.

Former Gov. Andrew Cuomo is in first place with 41% of voters backing him, while city Comptroller Brad Lander and Mayor Eric Adams—who is facing federal corruption charges—are trailing Mamdani with 8% and 6%, respectively.

"This is us while fasting," Mamdani's campaign said in response to the poll numbers, in reference to Ramadan.

Mamdani has made deft use of social media to promote his campaign, posting photos and videos of himself riding the subway alongside millions of working New Yorkers; interviewing people in the outer boroughs who either didn't vote in the 2024 election or supported President Donald Trump; and announcing his proposal for city-owned grocery stores, which would "operate without a profit motive or having to pay property taxes or rent, and would pass on those savings" to New Yorkers.


www.commondreams.org

It's not entirely unrelated (being in NY) to what seems like a waning effort to replace Schumer in leadership before the next budget battle.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
March 31 2025 17:31 GMT
#97707
On April 01 2025 01:15 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2025 23:55 WombaT wrote:
On March 31 2025 23:52 Luolis wrote:
https://apnews.com/article/transgender-visibility-trump-orders-2f949cdab2673e3becdfc3d213158aa9

I'm so glad i don't live in the USA. Pretty tough when the government wants to illegalize your existence.

I imagine that’s a tough part, but that huge swathes of the actual population you’ll engage with on a day to day feel this too is that bit tougher

True. I'm so sorry for all the trans people who have to deal with this mess. It's disgusting really.

Hear hear.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
March 31 2025 22:34 GMT
#97708
On April 01 2025 01:27 oBlade wrote:
He pardoned the Nikola guy either for donations, or because the thought Nikola and Tesla were related and assumed he was doing Musk a favor.

Unfortunately Patrick Adamiak, who owned and sold gun parts legally, and had replica (i.e., not) machine guns, hasn't gotten any relief even though he's in prison because the ATF perjured themselves and a judge was apparently asleep at the wheel.

Pardons could probably be on a dual-executive basis, i.e. you need both the president and VP to get it through. In fact the executive branch would do well to be a consulate with respect to all powers, not just pardons.

Well that’s all fine and dandy then!

Trump’s pardons are particularly bad, but I just don’t think the mechanism should remotely exist in anything approaching its current form, there’s plenty of other egregious ones on both sides of the aisle.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1094 Posts
April 01 2025 12:17 GMT
#97709
On April 01 2025 01:27 oBlade wrote:
He pardoned the Nikola guy either for donations, or because the thought Nikola and Tesla were related and assumed he was doing Musk a favor.

Unfortunately Patrick Adamiak, who owned and sold gun parts legally, and had replica (i.e., not) machine guns, hasn't gotten any relief even though he's in prison because the ATF perjured themselves and a judge was apparently asleep at the wheel.

Pardons could probably be on a dual-executive basis, i.e. you need both the president and VP to get it through. In fact the executive branch would do well to be a consulate with respect to all powers, not just pardons.



Pretty sure the Trump Admin will go after the gun owners and everyone at armed forces and police that isn't a loyalist next.
Can't risk having an actual armed militia that's unhappy with Trump admin.

"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
April 01 2025 12:46 GMT
#97710
On April 01 2025 01:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
LibHorizons: Anyone else paying any attention to the Democratic primary for NYC Mayor? Seems like one of the first major battles in the war for the future of the Democratic party.

Show nested quote +
"I'm about to say something to you you've never heard a politician say: Please stop sending us money," said Mamdani (D-36) in a video posted on social media Monday.

The fundraising haul from 18,000 donors makes Mamdani the first candidate in the mayoral race to reach the cap for donations, including projected matching funds from the city's Campaign Finance Board, and comes three months before the Democratic primary.

In the video posted on Monday, the democratic socialist explains that he aims to grow his 7,000-strong volunteer force to knock on more than 1 million doors across New York City before the June primary election.

A poll released Tuesday by Honan Strategy Group found that—as he was in the group's February survey—Mamdani is currently in second place in the primary contest, with 18% of voters saying they favored him. Twelve percent of voters said they supported him last month.

Former Gov. Andrew Cuomo is in first place with 41% of voters backing him, while city Comptroller Brad Lander and Mayor Eric Adams—who is facing federal corruption charges—are trailing Mamdani with 8% and 6%, respectively.

"This is us while fasting," Mamdani's campaign said in response to the poll numbers, in reference to Ramadan.

Mamdani has made deft use of social media to promote his campaign, posting photos and videos of himself riding the subway alongside millions of working New Yorkers; interviewing people in the outer boroughs who either didn't vote in the 2024 election or supported President Donald Trump; and announcing his proposal for city-owned grocery stores, which would "operate without a profit motive or having to pay property taxes or rent, and would pass on those savings" to New Yorkers.


www.commondreams.org

It's not entirely unrelated (being in NY) to what seems like a waning effort to replace Schumer in leadership before the next budget battle.

How far are we out from the primary itself? Those numbers seem positive, but there’s still a big gap to make up.

I think supplanting the usual suspects is definitely part of the puzzle, albeit for me, there are other pieces required to finish it.

In that respect, yeah I think this campaign seems to be doing a lot right. You really need some tangible ideas, energy and groundwork to punch through. Simply relying on apathy and dissatisfaction doesn’t seem to have the same impact when trying to push left, for whatever reason.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23515 Posts
April 01 2025 13:45 GMT
#97711
On April 01 2025 21:46 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2025 01:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
LibHorizons: Anyone else paying any attention to the Democratic primary for NYC Mayor? Seems like one of the first major battles in the war for the future of the Democratic party.

"I'm about to say something to you you've never heard a politician say: Please stop sending us money," said Mamdani (D-36) in a video posted on social media Monday.

The fundraising haul from 18,000 donors makes Mamdani the first candidate in the mayoral race to reach the cap for donations, including projected matching funds from the city's Campaign Finance Board, and comes three months before the Democratic primary.

In the video posted on Monday, the democratic socialist explains that he aims to grow his 7,000-strong volunteer force to knock on more than 1 million doors across New York City before the June primary election.

A poll released Tuesday by Honan Strategy Group found that—as he was in the group's February survey—Mamdani is currently in second place in the primary contest, with 18% of voters saying they favored him. Twelve percent of voters said they supported him last month.

Former Gov. Andrew Cuomo is in first place with 41% of voters backing him, while city Comptroller Brad Lander and Mayor Eric Adams—who is facing federal corruption charges—are trailing Mamdani with 8% and 6%, respectively.

"This is us while fasting," Mamdani's campaign said in response to the poll numbers, in reference to Ramadan.

Mamdani has made deft use of social media to promote his campaign, posting photos and videos of himself riding the subway alongside millions of working New Yorkers; interviewing people in the outer boroughs who either didn't vote in the 2024 election or supported President Donald Trump; and announcing his proposal for city-owned grocery stores, which would "operate without a profit motive or having to pay property taxes or rent, and would pass on those savings" to New Yorkers.


www.commondreams.org

It's not entirely unrelated (being in NY) to what seems like a waning effort to replace Schumer in leadership before the next budget battle.

How far are we out from the primary itself? Those numbers seem positive, but there’s still a big gap to make up.

I think supplanting the usual suspects is definitely part of the puzzle, albeit for me, there are other pieces required to finish it.

In that respect, yeah I think this campaign seems to be doing a lot right. You really need some tangible ideas, energy and groundwork to punch through. Simply relying on apathy and dissatisfaction doesn’t seem to have the same impact when trying to push left, for whatever reason.
LibHorizons: June 24. Yeah, there's lots of work to do. Hence my stressing that there's no time to waste shitflinging with right wingers.

Republicans aren't forcing Democrats to support someone that lost their last government job because the DOJ says they sexually harassed 13 women among other reasons.

To me, Mamdani is the obviously preferable alternative, but Democrats can't blame anyone but themselves for being like Republicans and preferring a habitual sexual offender over anyone else.

Unless that's the kind of people/party all the lib/Dem/ilk posters here and libs/Dems/ilk beyond this forum support, they need to be speaking up and acting out. Anything less is complicity.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2777 Posts
April 01 2025 14:24 GMT
#97712
The libs/Dems/ilk terminology is almost as cringe as oBlade's Blumpf. In many ways, it sounds like you're both drawing from the same playbook.
estás más desubicao q un croissant en un plato de nécoras
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
April 01 2025 14:25 GMT
#97713
On April 01 2025 00:18 WombaT wrote:
Ah cool then you can just accuse people of indulging in anti-Semitism for leaving themselves ‘wide open’ and saying something as targeted to Jewish emigres as ‘Nations can be a better option for people for all sorts of reasons’.

Retract.

Any chance like?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23515 Posts
April 01 2025 14:45 GMT
#97714
On April 01 2025 23:24 EnDeR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2025 22:45 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 01 2025 21:46 WombaT wrote:
On April 01 2025 01:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
LibHorizons: Anyone else paying any attention to the Democratic primary for NYC Mayor? Seems like one of the first major battles in the war for the future of the Democratic party.

"I'm about to say something to you you've never heard a politician say: Please stop sending us money," said Mamdani (D-36) in a video posted on social media Monday.

The fundraising haul from 18,000 donors makes Mamdani the first candidate in the mayoral race to reach the cap for donations, including projected matching funds from the city's Campaign Finance Board, and comes three months before the Democratic primary.

In the video posted on Monday, the democratic socialist explains that he aims to grow his 7,000-strong volunteer force to knock on more than 1 million doors across New York City before the June primary election.

A poll released Tuesday by Honan Strategy Group found that—as he was in the group's February survey—Mamdani is currently in second place in the primary contest, with 18% of voters saying they favored him. Twelve percent of voters said they supported him last month.

Former Gov. Andrew Cuomo is in first place with 41% of voters backing him, while city Comptroller Brad Lander and Mayor Eric Adams—who is facing federal corruption charges—are trailing Mamdani with 8% and 6%, respectively.

"This is us while fasting," Mamdani's campaign said in response to the poll numbers, in reference to Ramadan.

Mamdani has made deft use of social media to promote his campaign, posting photos and videos of himself riding the subway alongside millions of working New Yorkers; interviewing people in the outer boroughs who either didn't vote in the 2024 election or supported President Donald Trump; and announcing his proposal for city-owned grocery stores, which would "operate without a profit motive or having to pay property taxes or rent, and would pass on those savings" to New Yorkers.


www.commondreams.org

It's not entirely unrelated (being in NY) to what seems like a waning effort to replace Schumer in leadership before the next budget battle.

How far are we out from the primary itself? Those numbers seem positive, but there’s still a big gap to make up.

I think supplanting the usual suspects is definitely part of the puzzle, albeit for me, there are other pieces required to finish it.

In that respect, yeah I think this campaign seems to be doing a lot right. You really need some tangible ideas, energy and groundwork to punch through. Simply relying on apathy and dissatisfaction doesn’t seem to have the same impact when trying to push left, for whatever reason.
LibHorizons: June 24. Yeah, there's lots of work to do. Hence my stressing that there's no time to waste shitflinging with right wingers.

Republicans aren't forcing Democrats to support someone that lost their last government job because the DOJ says they sexually harassed 13 women among other reasons.

To me, Mamdani is the obviously preferable alternative, but Democrats can't blame anyone but themselves for being like Republicans and preferring a habitual sexual offender over anyone else.

Unless that's the kind of people/party all the lib/Dem/ilk posters here and libs/Dems/ilk beyond this forum support, they need to be speaking up and acting out. Anything less is complicity.

The libs/Dems/ilk terminology is almost as cringe as oBlade's Blumpf. In many ways, it sounds like you're both drawing from the same playbook.

LibHorizons: I don't know what you're cringing at, the many ways it sounds like the same playbook as oBlade's Blumpf, or what you'd prefer?

Perhaps (and I'm far more interested in this) you could share your thoughts about the NYC mayoral race as it fits into the larger context/direction of the future of the Democratic party though?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20090 Posts
April 01 2025 15:10 GMT
#97715
On April 01 2025 00:28 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2025 00:20 KT_Elwood wrote:
If you are in the US, just lie, steal and grift what you want from your fellow man, share your loot with trump, kiss the ring and get pardoned

https://eletric-vehicles.com/nikola/nikola-founder-trevor-milton-pardoned-by-donald-trump-video/

:D


Didn‘t he also pardon the silk road guy ?
As long as it‘s just stealing, dealing or fraud, it‘s fine.

Not that I don‘t think that sentences in the US are absurdly long for such things or others.
On the other hand it has a bigger issue with violence in general than we do here.


January 6 pardons went far beyond stealing, dealing, and fraud.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5786 Posts
April 01 2025 18:22 GMT
#97716
On April 01 2025 21:17 KT_Elwood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2025 01:27 oBlade wrote:
He pardoned the Nikola guy either for donations, or because the thought Nikola and Tesla were related and assumed he was doing Musk a favor.

Unfortunately Patrick Adamiak, who owned and sold gun parts legally, and had replica (i.e., not) machine guns, hasn't gotten any relief even though he's in prison because the ATF perjured themselves and a judge was apparently asleep at the wheel.

Pardons could probably be on a dual-executive basis, i.e. you need both the president and VP to get it through. In fact the executive branch would do well to be a consulate with respect to all powers, not just pardons.



Pretty sure the Trump Admin will go after the gun owners and everyone at armed forces and police that isn't a loyalist next.
Can't risk having an actual armed militia that's unhappy with Trump admin.


The former is not a physically tractable policy but the latter would be great yeah.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
April 01 2025 19:42 GMT
#97717
No warning for Jimmy’s errant fucking nonsense then?

Cool, I personally love people being able to accuse me of anti-Semitism with zero plausible reason to do so and zero repercussions whatsoever.

Fucking love it. Come on:
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1340 Posts
April 01 2025 20:10 GMT
#97718
On April 02 2025 03:22 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2025 21:17 KT_Elwood wrote:
On April 01 2025 01:27 oBlade wrote:
He pardoned the Nikola guy either for donations, or because the thought Nikola and Tesla were related and assumed he was doing Musk a favor.

Unfortunately Patrick Adamiak, who owned and sold gun parts legally, and had replica (i.e., not) machine guns, hasn't gotten any relief even though he's in prison because the ATF perjured themselves and a judge was apparently asleep at the wheel.

Pardons could probably be on a dual-executive basis, i.e. you need both the president and VP to get it through. In fact the executive branch would do well to be a consulate with respect to all powers, not just pardons.



Pretty sure the Trump Admin will go after the gun owners and everyone at armed forces and police that isn't a loyalist next.
Can't risk having an actual armed militia that's unhappy with Trump admin.


The former is not a physically tractable policy but the latter would be great yeah.

This is low key one of the most frighten things about the political movement you support oBlade. You openly admit that you value loyalty to Trump over competency and fairness. You are more or less openly calling for a dictatorship for you side.

This is why people not within your movement can not begin to understand you. There is not a single dictatorship that is better for the people. Unless you are a high ranking member of the Trump group, why would any logical sensible person want this of their justice system and military?
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2614 Posts
April 01 2025 20:14 GMT
#97719
On April 02 2025 04:42 WombaT wrote:
No warning for Jimmy’s errant fucking nonsense then?

Cool, I personally love people being able to accuse me of anti-Semitism with zero plausible reason to do so and zero repercussions whatsoever.

Fucking love it. Come on:


If it makes you feel any better, Jimmy doesn't actually talk to people. He just takes part of what was said and uses it to springboard whatever he wanted to talk about in that moment. What he said reflects very little on you imo, he just wanted to talk about how jews are leaving Toronto, but not because money (or something).
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-01 21:01:01
April 01 2025 20:57 GMT
#97720
On April 02 2025 05:14 Fleetfeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 04:42 WombaT wrote:
No warning for Jimmy’s errant fucking nonsense then?

Cool, I personally love people being able to accuse me of anti-Semitism with zero plausible reason to do so and zero repercussions whatsoever.

Fucking love it. Come on:


If it makes you feel any better, Jimmy doesn't actually talk to people. He just takes part of what was said and uses it to springboard whatever he wanted to talk about in that moment. What he said reflects very little on you imo, he just wanted to talk about how jews are leaving Toronto, but not because money (or something).

He does but he shouldn’t be able to accuse people of anti-Semtism completely baselessly.

I reject that completely, and I think it’s a completely repugnant thing to charge me with.

He can retract it, or not. Up to him.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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