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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
April 01 2025 21:01 GMT
#97721
On April 02 2025 04:42 WombaT wrote:
No warning for Jimmy’s errant fucking nonsense then?

Cool, I personally love people being able to accuse me of anti-Semitism with zero plausible reason to do so and zero repercussions whatsoever.

Fucking love it. Come on:


Apparently he interpreted your post as money being the only reason (for Jews) to leave Toronto and saw it as based on a stereotype he believed you held.

I believe that leaving a place just for monetary reasons is perfectly valid as a reason no matter what you are.

He didn‘t call you an antisemite either but he mentioned the stereotype as a nuisance and maybe thought that you were applying it. He might be more sensitive on the issue.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26018 Posts
April 01 2025 21:07 GMT
#97722
On April 02 2025 06:01 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 04:42 WombaT wrote:
No warning for Jimmy’s errant fucking nonsense then?

Cool, I personally love people being able to accuse me of anti-Semitism with zero plausible reason to do so and zero repercussions whatsoever.

Fucking love it. Come on:


Apparently he interpreted your post as money being the only reason (for Jews) to leave Toronto and saw it as based on a stereotype he believed you held.

I believe that leaving a place just for monetary reasons is perfectly valid as a reason no matter what you are.

He didn‘t call you an antisemite either but he mentioned the stereotype as a nuisance and maybe thought that you were applying it. He might be more sensitive on the issue.

Nah he said I was indulging in anti-Semitic tropes despite having not done so and he can fuck off with that charge
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26018 Posts
April 01 2025 21:12 GMT
#97723
He can retract it or not, up to him.

I’m not fucking having myself being accused of anti-Semitism. Don’t expect it, don’t respect it whatsoever.

Apology or fuck off.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-01 22:08:45
April 01 2025 22:03 GMT
#97724
Cory Booker break the record yet?


Edit
my time clock off guess he needs an hour and 10 mins ish
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-01 22:57:24
April 01 2025 22:51 GMT
#97725
On April 02 2025 06:07 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 06:01 Vivax wrote:
On April 02 2025 04:42 WombaT wrote:
No warning for Jimmy’s errant fucking nonsense then?

Cool, I personally love people being able to accuse me of anti-Semitism with zero plausible reason to do so and zero repercussions whatsoever.

Fucking love it. Come on:


Apparently he interpreted your post as money being the only reason (for Jews) to leave Toronto and saw it as based on a stereotype he believed you held.

I believe that leaving a place just for monetary reasons is perfectly valid as a reason no matter what you are.

He didn‘t call you an antisemite either but he mentioned the stereotype as a nuisance and maybe thought that you were applying it. He might be more sensitive on the issue.

Nah he said I was indulging in anti-Semitic tropes despite having not done so and he can fuck off with that charge


He‘s lowkey a Trump apologist posting in here so he might as well just be ragebaiting with that accusation.
I don‘t think anyone else would assume what he did about you based upon what you wrote.
Last but not least you can fake your religion online. I don‘t think he does fwiw. Too old as an account for that.

Some Americans are considering leaving the US, mostly among the more educated ones. He‘s saying Canadians are better off there and are moving there.

Sure, both can be true. But he‘s already chosen the narrative he supports.

This is my mafia game addiction shining through isn‘t it ?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26018 Posts
April 01 2025 23:50 GMT
#97726
On April 02 2025 07:51 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 06:07 WombaT wrote:
On April 02 2025 06:01 Vivax wrote:
On April 02 2025 04:42 WombaT wrote:
No warning for Jimmy’s errant fucking nonsense then?

Cool, I personally love people being able to accuse me of anti-Semitism with zero plausible reason to do so and zero repercussions whatsoever.

Fucking love it. Come on:


Apparently he interpreted your post as money being the only reason (for Jews) to leave Toronto and saw it as based on a stereotype he believed you held.

I believe that leaving a place just for monetary reasons is perfectly valid as a reason no matter what you are.

He didn‘t call you an antisemite either but he mentioned the stereotype as a nuisance and maybe thought that you were applying it. He might be more sensitive on the issue.

Nah he said I was indulging in anti-Semitic tropes despite having not done so and he can fuck off with that charge


He‘s lowkey a Trump apologist posting in here so he might as well just be ragebaiting with that accusation.
I don‘t think anyone else would assume what he did about you based upon what you wrote.
Last but not least you can fake your religion online. I don‘t think he does fwiw. Too old as an account for that.

Some Americans are considering leaving the US, mostly among the more educated ones. He‘s saying Canadians are better off there and are moving there.

Sure, both can be true. But he‘s already chosen the narrative he supports.

This is my mafia game addiction shining through isn‘t it ?

Whatever the fuck he thinks he’s had plenty of time to retract it and I firmly resent it and don’t think the accusation should be allowed to stand.

But hey failing that I’m not sure why Jimmy hates Muslims so much. I mean saying as we can just make stuff up and all
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1242 Posts
April 02 2025 00:55 GMT
#97727
Can probably move this to the feedback thread, you're far the first person to be accused of something based on faulty assumptions and not innocent of it either. At some point you end up with the whole, the lady doth protest too much, methinks, anyway.

JimmyJRaynor has made lots of claims about people moving south, but it appears when it comes to Doctors the flow is starting to trend in the other way. A renowned heart surgeon turned down big money to stay in Ottawa because of what Trump is doing to heath care. And apparently there is 100's of calls on moving north with some already taking the plunge. We could always use more Doctors, and many other positions as well. I hope we get a lot of talent moving up here. Doctors giving up much higher pay to move north would be saying a lot to those who bother to listen.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/ottawa/article/acclaimed-heart-surgeon-dr-marc-ruel-chooses-canada-over-us-amid-political-uncertainty/

https://globalnews.ca/news/11109052/american-doctors-work-in-canada/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/trump-threats-open-floodgate-of-inquiries-from-u-s-physicians-about-moving-north-1.7496257

+ Show Spoiler +
silly aside, those are the 3 main Canadian TV news orgs, if anyone is ever interested in Canadian perspectives. Not CNN or FOX all day all news, just usually a local piece and national piece. Also, with our laws there is not a Conservative and Liberal station. We do have news papers that lean certain directions.



DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45025 Posts
April 02 2025 02:00 GMT
#97728
On April 02 2025 08:50 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 07:51 Vivax wrote:
On April 02 2025 06:07 WombaT wrote:
On April 02 2025 06:01 Vivax wrote:
On April 02 2025 04:42 WombaT wrote:
No warning for Jimmy’s errant fucking nonsense then?

Cool, I personally love people being able to accuse me of anti-Semitism with zero plausible reason to do so and zero repercussions whatsoever.

Fucking love it. Come on:


Apparently he interpreted your post as money being the only reason (for Jews) to leave Toronto and saw it as based on a stereotype he believed you held.

I believe that leaving a place just for monetary reasons is perfectly valid as a reason no matter what you are.

He didn‘t call you an antisemite either but he mentioned the stereotype as a nuisance and maybe thought that you were applying it. He might be more sensitive on the issue.

Nah he said I was indulging in anti-Semitic tropes despite having not done so and he can fuck off with that charge


He‘s lowkey a Trump apologist posting in here so he might as well just be ragebaiting with that accusation.
I don‘t think anyone else would assume what he did about you based upon what you wrote.
Last but not least you can fake your religion online. I don‘t think he does fwiw. Too old as an account for that.

Some Americans are considering leaving the US, mostly among the more educated ones. He‘s saying Canadians are better off there and are moving there.

Sure, both can be true. But he‘s already chosen the narrative he supports.

This is my mafia game addiction shining through isn‘t it ?

Whatever the fuck he thinks he’s had plenty of time to retract it and I firmly resent it and don’t think the accusation should be allowed to stand.

But hey failing that I’m not sure why Jimmy hates Muslims so much. I mean saying as we can just make stuff up and all


We know he's out of line and not justified in saying what he said.

Try not to let his nonsense live rent-free in your head; it's a poor reflection of him, not of you
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5765 Posts
April 02 2025 05:02 GMT
#97729
On April 02 2025 05:10 Billyboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 03:22 oBlade wrote:
On April 01 2025 21:17 KT_Elwood wrote:
On April 01 2025 01:27 oBlade wrote:
He pardoned the Nikola guy either for donations, or because the thought Nikola and Tesla were related and assumed he was doing Musk a favor.

Unfortunately Patrick Adamiak, who owned and sold gun parts legally, and had replica (i.e., not) machine guns, hasn't gotten any relief even though he's in prison because the ATF perjured themselves and a judge was apparently asleep at the wheel.

Pardons could probably be on a dual-executive basis, i.e. you need both the president and VP to get it through. In fact the executive branch would do well to be a consulate with respect to all powers, not just pardons.



Pretty sure the Trump Admin will go after the gun owners and everyone at armed forces and police that isn't a loyalist next.
Can't risk having an actual armed militia that's unhappy with Trump admin.


The former is not a physically tractable policy but the latter would be great yeah.

This is low key one of the most frighten things about the political movement you support oBlade. You openly admit that you value loyalty to Trump over competency and fairness. You are more or less openly calling for a dictatorship for you side.

This is why people not within your movement can not begin to understand you. There is not a single dictatorship that is better for the people. Unless you are a high ranking member of the Trump group, why would any logical sensible person want this of their justice system and military?

Says here "loyalist" is anyone who doesn't spend their whole life resigning, mutinying, disobeying, maliciously complying, and obstructing their chief. It's a pejorative. When Trump fires people who have openly fought him, and his agenda, and supported things antithetical to those he supports, this is called "normal" not "dictatorship" and those who remain are not "loyalists" but "normal." Competence is relative. For example, if you are building a house, you could hire Bob's Contracting, with a 70% competence rate, or Joe's Demolitions, with a 100% competence rate. While the latter is more competent in the abstract, for the specific goal they could potentially be contrary to the entire enterprise of house-building.

You (basically) need to do what the president decides. This has nothing to do with dictatorship. That is called leadership. And you have to do it for a couple of reasons I thought would be obvious. 1) They were elected and you weren't. 2) See 1. 3) If they're right, and you're wrong, and you obstruct things that people want to the degree that the person is blamed for it not happening even though it was your fault for sabotaging/ruining things, and that gets political gains/victories for the opposition, then you are demonstrably a political operative so being fired from the beginning was correct.

Any suggestion the military should not be loyal to the elected civilian president in a constitutional republic is orders of magnitude more frightening than the idea they should be. That means any deranged fuck like Milley who thinks their job is to do things behind the commander-in-chief's back needs to be shown the door (or window) in a profoundly expedited way.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26018 Posts
April 02 2025 06:41 GMT
#97730
On April 02 2025 11:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 08:50 WombaT wrote:
On April 02 2025 07:51 Vivax wrote:
On April 02 2025 06:07 WombaT wrote:
On April 02 2025 06:01 Vivax wrote:
On April 02 2025 04:42 WombaT wrote:
No warning for Jimmy’s errant fucking nonsense then?

Cool, I personally love people being able to accuse me of anti-Semitism with zero plausible reason to do so and zero repercussions whatsoever.

Fucking love it. Come on:


Apparently he interpreted your post as money being the only reason (for Jews) to leave Toronto and saw it as based on a stereotype he believed you held.

I believe that leaving a place just for monetary reasons is perfectly valid as a reason no matter what you are.

He didn‘t call you an antisemite either but he mentioned the stereotype as a nuisance and maybe thought that you were applying it. He might be more sensitive on the issue.

Nah he said I was indulging in anti-Semitic tropes despite having not done so and he can fuck off with that charge


He‘s lowkey a Trump apologist posting in here so he might as well just be ragebaiting with that accusation.
I don‘t think anyone else would assume what he did about you based upon what you wrote.
Last but not least you can fake your religion online. I don‘t think he does fwiw. Too old as an account for that.

Some Americans are considering leaving the US, mostly among the more educated ones. He‘s saying Canadians are better off there and are moving there.

Sure, both can be true. But he‘s already chosen the narrative he supports.

This is my mafia game addiction shining through isn‘t it ?

Whatever the fuck he thinks he’s had plenty of time to retract it and I firmly resent it and don’t think the accusation should be allowed to stand.

But hey failing that I’m not sure why Jimmy hates Muslims so much. I mean saying as we can just make stuff up and all


We know he's out of line and not justified in saying what he said.

Try not to let his nonsense live rent-free in your head; it's a poor reflection of him, not of you

Aye spose I’ll stop whinging, cheers
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1069 Posts
April 02 2025 06:45 GMT
#97731
On April 02 2025 14:02 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 05:10 Billyboy wrote:
On April 02 2025 03:22 oBlade wrote:
On April 01 2025 21:17 KT_Elwood wrote:
On April 01 2025 01:27 oBlade wrote:
He pardoned the Nikola guy either for donations, or because the thought Nikola and Tesla were related and assumed he was doing Musk a favor.

Unfortunately Patrick Adamiak, who owned and sold gun parts legally, and had replica (i.e., not) machine guns, hasn't gotten any relief even though he's in prison because the ATF perjured themselves and a judge was apparently asleep at the wheel.

Pardons could probably be on a dual-executive basis, i.e. you need both the president and VP to get it through. In fact the executive branch would do well to be a consulate with respect to all powers, not just pardons.



Pretty sure the Trump Admin will go after the gun owners and everyone at armed forces and police that isn't a loyalist next.
Can't risk having an actual armed militia that's unhappy with Trump admin.


The former is not a physically tractable policy but the latter would be great yeah.

This is low key one of the most frighten things about the political movement you support oBlade. You openly admit that you value loyalty to Trump over competency and fairness. You are more or less openly calling for a dictatorship for you side.

This is why people not within your movement can not begin to understand you. There is not a single dictatorship that is better for the people. Unless you are a high ranking member of the Trump group, why would any logical sensible person want this of their justice system and military?

Says here "loyalist" is anyone who doesn't spend their whole life resigning, mutinying, disobeying, maliciously complying, and obstructing their chief. It's a pejorative. When Trump fires people who have openly fought him, and his agenda, and supported things antithetical to those he supports, this is called "normal" not "dictatorship" and those who remain are not "loyalists" but "normal." Competence is relative. For example, if you are building a house, you could hire Bob's Contracting, with a 70% competence rate, or Joe's Demolitions, with a 100% competence rate. While the latter is more competent in the abstract, for the specific goal they could potentially be contrary to the entire enterprise of house-building.

You (basically) need to do what the president decides. This has nothing to do with dictatorship. That is called leadership. And you have to do it for a couple of reasons I thought would be obvious. 1) They were elected and you weren't. 2) See 1. 3) If they're right, and you're wrong, and you obstruct things that people want to the degree that the person is blamed for it not happening even though it was your fault for sabotaging/ruining things, and that gets political gains/victories for the opposition, then you are demonstrably a political operative so being fired from the beginning was correct.

Any suggestion the military should not be loyal to the elected civilian president in a constitutional republic is orders of magnitude more frightening than the idea they should be. That means any deranged fuck like Milley who thinks their job is to do things behind the commander-in-chief's back needs to be shown the door (or window) in a profoundly expedited way.

This is all wrong. The army oath:
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

They swear an oath to the Constitution first. They are supposed to follow the president's orders, but within the limits of the Constitution and UCMJ, which was set by congress. So legally, they have to disobey the President's orders if he is ordering them to do something against the UCMJ or Constitution.

When it comes to civilian government workers, they have a job to do that is in line with the purpose of their specific department. The DOJ is not the president's personal lawyers. They are supposed to prosecute federal law, whether the president likes it or not. The FBI is supposed to investigate federal crimes, even if Trump is the one that committed them. The post office is supposed to deliver mail (and is specifically written into the constitution) and should continue to deliver mail even if the president tells them not to.

The president's orders do not supersede what has been written into law. Trump has repeatedly told his subordinates to do things that are illegal and that's why multiple judges have tried to put a stop to it while many government workers are disobeying his illegal orders in various ways. That's what they're legally supposed to do.

The president is not supposed to be a dictator. The president's job is to execute law. That's it. He does not write law. He does not get to decide what laws to ignore. If he does, he is violating the Constitution and should be impeached. A non-partisan congress would impeach him for his actions, but we're in a country where one of the two major parties acts like a cult and shields Dear Leader from the consequences of his actions.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26018 Posts
April 02 2025 06:50 GMT
#97732
On April 02 2025 14:02 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 05:10 Billyboy wrote:
On April 02 2025 03:22 oBlade wrote:
On April 01 2025 21:17 KT_Elwood wrote:
On April 01 2025 01:27 oBlade wrote:
He pardoned the Nikola guy either for donations, or because the thought Nikola and Tesla were related and assumed he was doing Musk a favor.

Unfortunately Patrick Adamiak, who owned and sold gun parts legally, and had replica (i.e., not) machine guns, hasn't gotten any relief even though he's in prison because the ATF perjured themselves and a judge was apparently asleep at the wheel.

Pardons could probably be on a dual-executive basis, i.e. you need both the president and VP to get it through. In fact the executive branch would do well to be a consulate with respect to all powers, not just pardons.



Pretty sure the Trump Admin will go after the gun owners and everyone at armed forces and police that isn't a loyalist next.
Can't risk having an actual armed militia that's unhappy with Trump admin.


The former is not a physically tractable policy but the latter would be great yeah.

This is low key one of the most frighten things about the political movement you support oBlade. You openly admit that you value loyalty to Trump over competency and fairness. You are more or less openly calling for a dictatorship for you side.

This is why people not within your movement can not begin to understand you. There is not a single dictatorship that is better for the people. Unless you are a high ranking member of the Trump group, why would any logical sensible person want this of their justice system and military?

Says here "loyalist" is anyone who doesn't spend their whole life resigning, mutinying, disobeying, maliciously complying, and obstructing their chief. It's a pejorative. When Trump fires people who have openly fought him, and his agenda, and supported things antithetical to those he supports, this is called "normal" not "dictatorship" and those who remain are not "loyalists" but "normal." Competence is relative. For example, if you are building a house, you could hire Bob's Contracting, with a 70% competence rate, or Joe's Demolitions, with a 100% competence rate. While the latter is more competent in the abstract, for the specific goal they could potentially be contrary to the entire enterprise of house-building.

You (basically) need to do what the president decides. This has nothing to do with dictatorship. That is called leadership. And you have to do it for a couple of reasons I thought would be obvious. 1) They were elected and you weren't. 2) See 1. 3) If they're right, and you're wrong, and you obstruct things that people want to the degree that the person is blamed for it not happening even though it was your fault for sabotaging/ruining things, and that gets political gains/victories for the opposition, then you are demonstrably a political operative so being fired from the beginning was correct.

Any suggestion the military should not be loyal to the elected civilian president in a constitutional republic is orders of magnitude more frightening than the idea they should be. That means any deranged fuck like Milley who thinks their job is to do things behind the commander-in-chief's back needs to be shown the door (or window) in a profoundly expedited way.

Look if you want the US to be ruled by a King again, youse just have to politely ask.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10806 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-02 07:55:18
April 02 2025 07:54 GMT
#97733
On April 02 2025 14:02 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 05:10 Billyboy wrote:
On April 02 2025 03:22 oBlade wrote:
On April 01 2025 21:17 KT_Elwood wrote:
On April 01 2025 01:27 oBlade wrote:
He pardoned the Nikola guy either for donations, or because the thought Nikola and Tesla were related and assumed he was doing Musk a favor.

Unfortunately Patrick Adamiak, who owned and sold gun parts legally, and had replica (i.e., not) machine guns, hasn't gotten any relief even though he's in prison because the ATF perjured themselves and a judge was apparently asleep at the wheel.

Pardons could probably be on a dual-executive basis, i.e. you need both the president and VP to get it through. In fact the executive branch would do well to be a consulate with respect to all powers, not just pardons.



Pretty sure the Trump Admin will go after the gun owners and everyone at armed forces and police that isn't a loyalist next.
Can't risk having an actual armed militia that's unhappy with Trump admin.


The former is not a physically tractable policy but the latter would be great yeah.

This is low key one of the most frighten things about the political movement you support oBlade. You openly admit that you value loyalty to Trump over competency and fairness. You are more or less openly calling for a dictatorship for you side.

This is why people not within your movement can not begin to understand you. There is not a single dictatorship that is better for the people. Unless you are a high ranking member of the Trump group, why would any logical sensible person want this of their justice system and military?

Says here "loyalist" is anyone who doesn't spend their whole life resigning, mutinying, disobeying, maliciously complying, and obstructing their chief. It's a pejorative. When Trump fires people who have openly fought him, and his agenda, and supported things antithetical to those he supports, this is called "normal" not "dictatorship" and those who remain are not "loyalists" but "normal." Competence is relative. For example, if you are building a house, you could hire Bob's Contracting, with a 70% competence rate, or Joe's Demolitions, with a 100% competence rate. While the latter is more competent in the abstract, for the specific goal they could potentially be contrary to the entire enterprise of house-building.

You (basically) need to do what the president decides. This has nothing to do with dictatorship. That is called leadership. And you have to do it for a couple of reasons I thought would be obvious. 1) They were elected and you weren't. 2) See 1. 3) If they're right, and you're wrong, and you obstruct things that people want to the degree that the person is blamed for it not happening even though it was your fault for sabotaging/ruining things, and that gets political gains/victories for the opposition, then you are demonstrably a political operative so being fired from the beginning was correct.

Any suggestion the military should not be loyal to the elected civilian president in a constitutional republic is orders of magnitude more frightening than the idea they should be. That means any deranged fuck like Milley who thinks their job is to do things behind the commander-in-chief's back needs to be shown the door (or window) in a profoundly expedited way.


Thats not how a Democracy, Republic or any law based organisation is supposed to work.

Your a sheep that wants to be herded. You actually long for a King.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5765 Posts
April 02 2025 08:26 GMT
#97734
On April 02 2025 15:45 RenSC2 wrote:
The president's orders do not supersede what has been written into law. Trump has repeatedly told his subordinates to do things that are illegal and that's why multiple judges have tried to put a stop to it while many government workers are disobeying his illegal orders in various ways. That's what they're legally supposed to do.

The president is not supposed to be a dictator. The president's job is to execute law. That's it. He does not write law. He does not get to decide what laws to ignore. If he does, he is violating the Constitution and should be impeached. A non-partisan congress would impeach him for his actions, but we're in a country where one of the two major parties acts like a cult and shields Dear Leader from the consequences of his actions.

1) You think ignoring laws is bad - picking and choosing - Want to throw Biden and Mayorkas in GITMO for their treasonous abandoning of the border?

2) You want to impeach Blumpf a third time already? For what?

3) Impeachment is inherently a political question. Thankfully the judiciary can't interrupt presidents with nonsense prosecution in the US, unlike a democracy like Korea where it's a coin flip whether you will be in prison once elected president.

Here is the leader of the Democrats explaining how he trashed the independence, and reputation, of the judiciary by filling it with progressive political opposition. It's not that for example arresting criminals is illegal. It's that anything Democrats don't like can always have some or other cockamamie theory as a pretext for saying it's illegal at the first stage of federal courts.

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KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1084 Posts
April 02 2025 08:26 GMT
#97735
oBlade will claim it's enough democracy if he is allowed to vote for his king, and getting rid of the poeple who keep the king in check via blanket mass firings and dismanteling of institutions *aktuhaly* is more democratic because you didn't chose the bureaucrats and the scientific truths of how much lead should be in drinking water.. but you chose the President who can now TELL YOU how much lead is okay for the average citizen. While of course having his meals screened by experts for toxins.

oBlade doesn't apply global logic, only stricly seperated sandboxed logic.

If he chose the president, based on his aligning beliefs, the president should have the power of pushing those believes via his "Leadership", even if it ignores checks and balances and long lived traditions and norms.

If he didn't choose the president, checks and balances but most of all, unwritten Rules of common decency shall apply and hinder the leadership from changing stuff in the wrong direction. Bureaucrates and Courts need to rise and "play their role" in slow-walking change until the order to change can be canceled.

It's a democracy if you need it to be.. and it's authoritarian when you are in charge.
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45025 Posts
April 02 2025 11:32 GMT
#97736
A small swing-state victory this week: Wisconsin chose a liberal Supreme Court justice over MAGA and Musk's money.

"Susan Crawford defeated Brad Schimel for a State Supreme Court seat ... A liberal candidate for a pivotal seat on the Wisconsin Supreme Court overcame $25 million in spending from Elon Musk and defeated her conservative opponent on Tuesday ... With turnout extraordinarily high for a spring election in an off year, Judge Susan Crawford handily beat Judge Brad Schimel, who ran on his loyalty to President Trump and was aided by Mr. Musk, the president’s billionaire policy aide. With turnout extraordinarily high for a spring election in an off year, Judge Susan Crawford handily beat Judge Brad Schimel, who ran on his loyalty to President Trump and was aided by Mr. Musk, the president’s billionaire policy aide. ... Mr. Musk also offered Wisconsinites $100 each to sign a petition in opposition to “activist judges”. By Tuesday, his super PAC was offering voters $50 to post a picture of a Wisconsin resident outside a polling place. ... The victory for Judge Crawford, 60, who won a 10-year term, maintains a 4-to-3 majority for liberals on the court, which in coming months is poised to deliver key decisions on abortion and labor rights."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/01/us/politics/wisconsin-supreme-court-crawford-schimel.html
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24740 Posts
April 02 2025 11:33 GMT
#97737
No upsets yesterday. Red Florida districts remain red. Dems made some gains in performance.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26018 Posts
April 02 2025 12:07 GMT
#97738
On April 02 2025 20:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A small swing-state victory this week: Wisconsin chose a liberal Supreme Court justice over MAGA and Musk's money.

"Susan Crawford defeated Brad Schimel for a State Supreme Court seat ... A liberal candidate for a pivotal seat on the Wisconsin Supreme Court overcame $25 million in spending from Elon Musk and defeated her conservative opponent on Tuesday ... With turnout extraordinarily high for a spring election in an off year, Judge Susan Crawford handily beat Judge Brad Schimel, who ran on his loyalty to President Trump and was aided by Mr. Musk, the president’s billionaire policy aide. With turnout extraordinarily high for a spring election in an off year, Judge Susan Crawford handily beat Judge Brad Schimel, who ran on his loyalty to President Trump and was aided by Mr. Musk, the president’s billionaire policy aide. ... Mr. Musk also offered Wisconsinites $100 each to sign a petition in opposition to “activist judges”. By Tuesday, his super PAC was offering voters $50 to post a picture of a Wisconsin resident outside a polling place. ... The victory for Judge Crawford, 60, who won a 10-year term, maintains a 4-to-3 majority for liberals on the court, which in coming months is poised to deliver key decisions on abortion and labor rights."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/01/us/politics/wisconsin-supreme-court-crawford-schimel.html

Hey I wasn’t born yesterday, I am familiar with the auld money in politics craic. 25 million seems rather a lot to dump into this seat no?

Perhaps it’s more significant than I assume?
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45025 Posts
April 02 2025 12:13 GMT
#97739
On April 02 2025 21:07 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 20:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A small swing-state victory this week: Wisconsin chose a liberal Supreme Court justice over MAGA and Musk's money.

"Susan Crawford defeated Brad Schimel for a State Supreme Court seat ... A liberal candidate for a pivotal seat on the Wisconsin Supreme Court overcame $25 million in spending from Elon Musk and defeated her conservative opponent on Tuesday ... With turnout extraordinarily high for a spring election in an off year, Judge Susan Crawford handily beat Judge Brad Schimel, who ran on his loyalty to President Trump and was aided by Mr. Musk, the president’s billionaire policy aide. With turnout extraordinarily high for a spring election in an off year, Judge Susan Crawford handily beat Judge Brad Schimel, who ran on his loyalty to President Trump and was aided by Mr. Musk, the president’s billionaire policy aide. ... Mr. Musk also offered Wisconsinites $100 each to sign a petition in opposition to “activist judges”. By Tuesday, his super PAC was offering voters $50 to post a picture of a Wisconsin resident outside a polling place. ... The victory for Judge Crawford, 60, who won a 10-year term, maintains a 4-to-3 majority for liberals on the court, which in coming months is poised to deliver key decisions on abortion and labor rights."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/01/us/politics/wisconsin-supreme-court-crawford-schimel.html

Hey I wasn’t born yesterday, I am familiar with the auld money in politics craic. 25 million seems rather a lot to dump into this seat no?

Perhaps it’s more significant than I assume?


You're right; it's quite a lot. Between the tens of millions of dollars from Musk in direct campaign contributions and the additional buying of votes with his $100/signature and $50/picture, this definitely falls into the category of "trying to buy an election win".
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Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1242 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-02 12:29:18
April 02 2025 12:29 GMT
#97740
On April 02 2025 14:02 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2025 05:10 Billyboy wrote:
On April 02 2025 03:22 oBlade wrote:
On April 01 2025 21:17 KT_Elwood wrote:
On April 01 2025 01:27 oBlade wrote:
He pardoned the Nikola guy either for donations, or because the thought Nikola and Tesla were related and assumed he was doing Musk a favor.

Unfortunately Patrick Adamiak, who owned and sold gun parts legally, and had replica (i.e., not) machine guns, hasn't gotten any relief even though he's in prison because the ATF perjured themselves and a judge was apparently asleep at the wheel.

Pardons could probably be on a dual-executive basis, i.e. you need both the president and VP to get it through. In fact the executive branch would do well to be a consulate with respect to all powers, not just pardons.



Pretty sure the Trump Admin will go after the gun owners and everyone at armed forces and police that isn't a loyalist next.
Can't risk having an actual armed militia that's unhappy with Trump admin.


The former is not a physically tractable policy but the latter would be great yeah.

This is low key one of the most frighten things about the political movement you support oBlade. You openly admit that you value loyalty to Trump over competency and fairness. You are more or less openly calling for a dictatorship for you side.

This is why people not within your movement can not begin to understand you. There is not a single dictatorship that is better for the people. Unless you are a high ranking member of the Trump group, why would any logical sensible person want this of their justice system and military?

Says here "loyalist" is anyone who doesn't spend their whole life resigning, mutinying, disobeying, maliciously complying, and obstructing their chief. It's a pejorative. When Trump fires people who have openly fought him, and his agenda, and supported things antithetical to those he supports, this is called "normal" not "dictatorship" and those who remain are not "loyalists" but "normal." Competence is relative. For example, if you are building a house, you could hire Bob's Contracting, with a 70% competence rate, or Joe's Demolitions, with a 100% competence rate. While the latter is more competent in the abstract, for the specific goal they could potentially be contrary to the entire enterprise of house-building.

You (basically) need to do what the president decides. This has nothing to do with dictatorship. That is called leadership. And you have to do it for a couple of reasons I thought would be obvious. 1) They were elected and you weren't. 2) See 1. 3) If they're right, and you're wrong, and you obstruct things that people want to the degree that the person is blamed for it not happening even though it was your fault for sabotaging/ruining things, and that gets political gains/victories for the opposition, then you are demonstrably a political operative so being fired from the beginning was correct.

Any suggestion the military should not be loyal to the elected civilian president in a constitutional republic is orders of magnitude more frightening than the idea they should be. That means any deranged fuck like Milley who thinks their job is to do things behind the commander-in-chief's back needs to be shown the door (or window) in a profoundly expedited way.

It actually does. Elected officials and public servants are just that servants to the people. They are bound by rules to the system and constitution all to protect from loyalty to one man. All you need to do to realize how important it is image that it is the other guys wins and then your opinion will completely switch.

Just imagine this Trump succeeds and the supreme court rules 3rd terms are allowed. Obama re-enters the race he is backed by Oprah, Gates and Saros. The race is close, even with all the balloting and districting favouring Trump. Then Musk drops dead from a ketamine overdose, his fortune falls to his eldest son under Trumps new rules, which to the left is a transwomen but under Trumps laws they are a he and entitled to it all. "He" puts the entire fortune behind Obama, with the writing on the wall all the other oligarchs quickly jump ship, Zuckerburg announces the problem with DEI and moderation is that it did not go nearly far enough and mass bans everyone who ever said a bad word. Democrats sweep with the biggest blue wave in history. You really want them to have carte blanche to free whoever they want? Put in loyalists with no experience? And implement their radical left communist agenda through executive order with no push back? Just listen to the commander and chief no matter if sends the military to deport everyone at WWE shows?

Of course not. If you want to what is important in a democracy don't think about how it should be for your guy, think of how you want it for their guy.
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