EPTAn interesting article about the short term demographic treads of the country. The Midwest and rust belt are losing population for a number of reasons, but the trends mean that those states will have a disproportionate amount of influence over the federal government. Of course, it also means that any economic crisis the country faces will gut those states.
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
An interesting article about the short term demographic treads of the country. The Midwest and rust belt are losing population for a number of reasons, but the trends mean that those states will have a disproportionate amount of influence over the federal government. Of course, it also means that any economic crisis the country faces will gut those states. | ||
KwarK
United States44373 Posts
On July 15 2018 03:46 Dan HH wrote: The highilght of the interview referenced there was when he said the GDP doubled and tripled since he took office and the interviewer just went 'mmhm' and ignored it. The difference between those two numbers being an entire America is what gets me. Not only is the claim completely absurd, it’s not even internally consistent. It’s like a 13 year old saying “I’ve had sex with 300 girls, no, 300,000 girls”. Even if we accept the premise that either could be possible, surely he would know which it was. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 15 2018 04:26 Excludos wrote: He just doubled.."no wait tripled" the GPD..? Yeah that sounds completely reasonable. It's becoming increasingly difficult to describe his followers who believe this madman without using words which would surely get me banned. you can always stick with "idiots and fools"; that should be fine. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On July 15 2018 04:42 zlefin wrote: you can always stick with "idiots and fools"; that should be fine. Or take a pick 'em from this forum. There's several soft Trump supporters and a couple full Trumpsters. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On July 15 2018 04:04 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/BruceBartlett/status/1018181049342464006 An interesting article about the short term demographic treads of the country. The Midwest and rust belt are losing population for a number of reasons, but the trends mean that those states will have a disproportionate amount of influence over the federal government. Of course, it also means that any economic crisis the country faces will gut those states. I've seen references to this trend intermittently over the last year or so, and it's probably the most terrifying thing I've seen regarding the state of US politics. Those eight states will be responsible for substantially more than half the federal government's tax revenue, which largely tends to go to Midwest and rust belt states. It's a sick joke, but when the second American revolution rolls around because we couldn't manage to fix the disproportionate representation inherent in the federal government and the working class of the cities get sick of providing for what will seem like landed gentry in the rural states, the rallying cry of the revolution is going to be "No taxation without representation," again. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10011 Posts
A diplomat representing Donald Trump lobbied the UK on behalf of the jailed far-right activist known as Tommy Robinson and threatened to publicly criticise its handling of the case, it has been reported. Sam Brownback, the US ambassador for international religious freedom, is alleged to have raised concerns over Robinson’s safety in prison with the British ambassador in Washington, according to Reuters, which cited three sources. It was unclear why an official responsible for religious freedom would intervene on behalf of the founder of the English Defence League, which has organised violent protests against Muslim immigrants over the past decade. Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, has recently styled himself as a journalist and campaigner against Islamic fundamentalism. He was arrested in late May after broadcasting an hour-long video via Facebook from outside Leeds crown court during a trial related to child molestation. He was sentenced to 10 months’ jail for contempt of court and a further three months for breaching the terms of the previous suspended sentence. Its worth pointing out some of the past exploits of the British man your government is lobbying us on behalf of. Here is a (non exhaustive) list of his criminal convictions: Mortgage fraud Attempting to enter the USA using a false passport Common Assault Breach of bail conditions Contempt of Court (twice) Why is your ambassador for religious freedom lobbying on behalf of this man, who is in jail for a crime he pleaded guilty to? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22661 Posts
On July 15 2018 07:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Because Trump told him to. He is a right wing figure and Trump can't pardon him like he would have done if the case had been in the US.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/14/us-raises-concerns-with-uk-about-safety-of-tommy-robinson-jailed-edl-founder Its worth pointing out some of the past exploits of the British man your government is lobbying us to release. Here is a (non exhaustive) list of his criminal convictions: Mortgage fraud Attempting to enter the USA using a false passport Common Assault Breach of bail conditions Contempt of Court (twice) Why is your ambassador for religious freedom lobbying on behalf of this man, who is in jail for a crime he pleaded guilty to? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10011 Posts
On July 15 2018 07:16 Gorsameth wrote: Because Trump told him to. He is a right wing figure and Trump can't pardon him like he would have done if the case had been in the US. I hope the guy got told to fuck off with this kind of talk. Our justice system is our own to run how we see fit, not at the whim of some mad right wing nutjob from across the ocean. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 15 2018 07:13 Jockmcplop wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/14/us-raises-concerns-with-uk-about-safety-of-tommy-robinson-jailed-edl-founder Its worth pointing out some of the past exploits of the British man your government is lobbying us on behalf of. Here is a (non exhaustive) list of his criminal convictions: Mortgage fraud Attempting to enter the USA using a false passport Common Assault Breach of bail conditions Contempt of Court (twice) Why is your ambassador for religious freedom lobbying on behalf of this man, who is in jail for a crime he pleaded guilty to? because it plays well to trump's base. so it was ordered to be done. if it makes you feel better; trump has lobbied for the freedom of; and in some cases pardoned, people who did far worse and were equally clearly deserving of their punishment. for the same reason, because it plays well to his base. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
This Twitter thread makes a valid point. Initially there was a perception that Trump's campaign was a complete shambles with zero GOTV infrastructure, barely any offices, badly targeted advertising, far less spending and so forth. Yet their advertising strategy changed drastically during the run-up towards the general election, which we now know was extremely effective in helping Trump win the Rust Belt. I don't think its a leap to assume the theft of DNC analytics and internal polling would have helped the Trump campaign make significantly better decisions with advertising funding, especially when it was clearly a pretty shitty operation. Together with Cambridge Analytica, they knew exactly where the blind spots were and how to appeal to those blind spots. The timing of the hacks, Trump asking Russia to find Clinton's missing emails and the huge shift in strategy seems too close together to be merely coincidental. This doesn't mean direct collusion but I don't buy that the Trump campaign or the GOP would ignore outside help (eg. someone giving them internal Democratic documents) if it was offered to them. The most common response from guys like GH was that Clinton ran a bad campaign that didn't even target the Rust Belt so Russia interference and hacking is just a distraction. But that and Trump suddenly being exhibiting campaigning omnipotence don't have to be mutually exclusive in my opinion, they can both simultaneously happen. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On July 15 2018 10:11 xDaunt wrote: How would DNC analytics help Trump target his advertising when the DNC very clearly had no idea how badly they were about to lose? But that's not true because they clearly knew they were at risk of losing. That's why there was a last minute ditch effort to start campaigning in the Rust Belt, internal polling would be clearly telling them about the significantly softening support. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
Trump shifting focus coupled with Clinton's hilariously bad internal polling that made them sure of having states like Mi locked up could very well have been a factor. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
I doubt they really took much advantage of that, though, the Trump camp rarely seemed to have a coherent strategy even later on and I don't believe for a second they thought they would win. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On July 15 2018 10:11 xDaunt wrote: How would DNC analytics help Trump target his advertising when the DNC very clearly had no idea how badly they were about to lose? Wasn't the election really close? And he lost the popular vote? I mean, I know he got a lot of the electoral college in the end, but the impression I get is a lot of those college votes were secured very narrowly. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On July 15 2018 10:18 xDaunt wrote: The timeline doesn’t match up. If the democrats knew that there was a risk or a problem in September, logic dictates that they would have started addressing it sooner than during the last week of the campaign. That is where Hillary fucked up. Sanders warned her earlier but her campaign trusted polling data way too much and didn't think they had to do much work. Hell she basically took a victory lap after the Hollywood Access tapes. Yuuuge blunder on her part. | ||
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