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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2914 Posts
On January 08 2025 04:10 micronesia wrote: Would the European response to the US invading Greenland (for whatever dumb reason) be any less tepid than the response to Russia invading Ukraine? No. Probably more tepid. Ukraine has fucked up Russia pretty badly with support but Denmark is not going to do much against the US. | ||
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blomsterjohn
Norway477 Posts
What is this Trump fixation on Greenland about anyhow? ed: And while im not really familiar with the culture of the people on Greenland, I'd assume they'd be somewhat in the same boat as Scandinavians. And if that's the case I highly doubt that "joining" the US would be something anyone would want | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On January 08 2025 04:46 blomsterjohn wrote: The US annexing Greenland by military force is completely unchartered territory, and imo not comparable to Russia/Ukraine at all. What is this Trump fixation on Greenland about anyhow? Really old man has random thought and is surrounded by a bizarre cadre of severe enablers | ||
micronesia
United States24812 Posts
On January 08 2025 04:46 blomsterjohn wrote: What is uncharted about it?The US annexing Greenland by military force is completely unchartered territory, and imo not comparable to Russia/Ukraine at all. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2914 Posts
Would republicans on TL accept it or would that be it for supporting the republican party/Trump (same thing right now?). It would be interesting to have it on record now if it did happen. | ||
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blomsterjohn
Norway477 Posts
Denmark is a NATO country, with everything that follows/is entailed within that | ||
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Simberto
Germany12080 Posts
Well, when was the last time the US randomly invaded an ally for no apparent reason? I don't think that happened a lot in the past. Meanwhile, Russia attacking its neighbours is pretty common, they do that all the time. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10989 Posts
On January 08 2025 04:55 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: The reason I ask the question is that would this be the breaking point for Americans? Would they accept the US president just annexing land from an allied country? Would republicans on TL accept it or would that be it for supporting the republican party/Trump (same thing right now?). It would be interesting to have it on record now if it did happen. Is this even a question? Republicans have proven that they accept absolutely everything their daddy does or says. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46692 Posts
On January 08 2025 05:01 Velr wrote: Is this even a question? Republicans have proven that they accept absolutely everything their daddy does or says. Yeah, that's a no-brainer tbh. Regardless of what any Republican says at this point in time, if Trump decides he wants to invade another country, then 90+% of Republicans are going to find a way to justify and support that decision. | ||
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Legan
Finland614 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On January 08 2025 05:11 Legan wrote: So, Trump really did not rule military action or economic coercion out for gaining control over Greenland or Panama. Mostly focused on Panama in his answer. AP news But reporting on this is sensationalist scaremongering /S | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On January 08 2025 04:55 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: The reason I ask the question is that would this be the breaking point for Americans? Would they accept the US president just annexing land from an allied country? + Show Spoiler + Would republicans on TL accept it or would that be it for supporting the republican party/Trump (same thing right now?). It would be interesting to have it on record now if it did happen. As far as I can tell Democrats and Republicans don't have one. They're all just praying they don't have to vote for/certify Trump winning in 2028. | ||
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micronesia
United States24812 Posts
On January 08 2025 04:58 blomsterjohn wrote: Denmark is a NATO country, with everything that follows/is entailed within that This is a good point on why Russian annexing attacking neighbors is different than the USA annexing Greenland. I was just curious on what of the many differences you were referring to. On January 08 2025 05:00 Simberto wrote: Well, when was the last time the US randomly invaded an ally for no apparent reason? I don't think that happened a lot in the past. Meanwhile, Russia attacking its neighbours is pretty common, they do that all the time. The original context was about how Europe would respond to such invasions (Russia into Ukraine vs USA into Greenland). blomsterjohn followed up reasonably that the difference is NATO membership. This additional point that Russia attacking its neighbors is "pretty common" implies that Europe will react more strongly to invasions from countries that normally don't conduct invasions than countries that commonly do conduct invasions. I'm not sure if that's true or not... | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28923 Posts
Tbh I imagine it would create a hugely chaotic situation because while I could picture Europe just going like eh they shouldn't do that but oh well to the US annexing the panama canal I think them annexing part of a NATO country, at least a western founding member, would make NATO go bust and then Europe needs some type of collective defense and at least western european countries could take part of that cause they have fairly shared values but some of the eastern nato members wouldn't be part of it and what about the russia-friendly countries like Slovakia? and Ukraine would probably not be prioritized anymore. I don't think the US annexing Greenland is a realistic option tbh. But Panama wouldn't be much of a surprise, that's in a region where the US has a very long history of doing whatever they think is beneficial to the US and damn the locals. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On January 08 2025 04:58 blomsterjohn wrote: Denmark is a NATO country, with everything that follows/is entailed within that What is this 'everything'? Do you really believe that Norway or any other random NATO country would (or should) declare war on the USA if they decided to annex Greenland? Nothing would happen. At all. (And of course Musk/Zuckerberg would flood the internet with content explaining just how much happier the Greenlanders are this way, and besides it happened months ago it's old news please post something more interesting, and within a year or so anyone talking about it will be laughed at for bringing up old news.) If they invade Canada I would imagine that starting an all-out rush for nukes, but certainly no aggressive action in that case either. | ||
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micronesia
United States24812 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On January 08 2025 04:46 blomsterjohn wrote: The US annexing Greenland by military force is completely unchartered territory, and imo not comparable to Russia/Ukraine at all. What is this Trump fixation on Greenland about anyhow? ed: And while im not really familiar with the culture of the people on Greenland, I'd assume they'd be somewhat in the same boat as Scandinavians. And if that's the case I highly doubt that "joining" the US would be something anyone would want As a joke, he probably thinks it's as big as it appears on Mercator projections. On a somewhat serious note, it would increase US presence in the arctic for when shipping lanes becomes easier as the temperature will surely continue rising. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On January 08 2025 05:53 micronesia wrote: I could see Trump ordering the invasion and annexation of Puerto Rico, not realizing that Puerto Rico is part of the United States. lol yes. Didnt he already refer to the 'president of Puerto Rico' not realizing that that person was himself last time? This sounds perfectly likely to me. | ||
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blomsterjohn
Norway477 Posts
On January 08 2025 05:52 KlaCkoN wrote: What is this 'everything'? Do you really believe that Norway or any other random NATO country would (or should) declare war on the USA if they decided to annex Greenland? Nothing would happen. At all. (And of course Musk/Zuckerberg would flood the internet with content explaining just how much happier the Greenlanders are this way, and besides it happened months ago it's old news please post something more interesting, and within a year or so anyone talking about it will be laughed at for bringing up old news.) If they invade Canada I would imagine that starting an all-out rush for nukes, but certainly no aggressive action in that case either. Tthe "everything", in this case, would primarily pertain to the actual pact NATO countries are bound by And with the US also being in NATO, it would make it a very much unchartered territory-case | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28923 Posts
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