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CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2641 Posts
January 07 2025 19:41 GMT
#93701
On January 08 2025 04:10 micronesia wrote:
Would the European response to the US invading Greenland (for whatever dumb reason) be any less tepid than the response to Russia invading Ukraine?


No. Probably more tepid. Ukraine has fucked up Russia pretty badly with support but Denmark is not going to do much against the US.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
blomsterjohn
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway465 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-07 19:50:37
January 07 2025 19:46 GMT
#93702
The US annexing Greenland by military force is completely unchartered territory, and imo not comparable to Russia/Ukraine at all.

What is this Trump fixation on Greenland about anyhow?

ed: And while im not really familiar with the culture of the people on Greenland, I'd assume they'd be somewhat in the same boat as Scandinavians. And if that's the case I highly doubt that "joining" the US would be something anyone would want
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7368 Posts
January 07 2025 19:50 GMT
#93703
On January 08 2025 04:46 blomsterjohn wrote:
The US annexing Greenland by military force is completely unchartered territory, and imo not comparable to Russia/Ukraine at all.

What is this Trump fixation on Greenland about anyhow?


Really old man has random thought and is surrounded by a bizarre cadre of severe enablers
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24709 Posts
January 07 2025 19:54 GMT
#93704
On January 08 2025 04:46 blomsterjohn wrote:
The US annexing Greenland by military force is completely unchartered territory, and imo not comparable to Russia/Ukraine at all.
What is uncharted about it?
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2641 Posts
January 07 2025 19:55 GMT
#93705
The reason I ask the question is that would this be the breaking point for Americans? Would they accept the US president just annexing land from an allied country?

Would republicans on TL accept it or would that be it for supporting the republican party/Trump (same thing right now?).

It would be interesting to have it on record now if it did happen.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
blomsterjohn
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway465 Posts
January 07 2025 19:58 GMT
#93706
On January 08 2025 04:54 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2025 04:46 blomsterjohn wrote:
The US annexing Greenland by military force is completely unchartered territory, and imo not comparable to Russia/Ukraine at all.
What is uncharted about it?


Denmark is a NATO country, with everything that follows/is entailed within that
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11587 Posts
January 07 2025 20:00 GMT
#93707
On January 08 2025 04:54 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2025 04:46 blomsterjohn wrote:
The US annexing Greenland by military force is completely unchartered territory, and imo not comparable to Russia/Ukraine at all.
What is uncharted about it?


Well, when was the last time the US randomly invaded an ally for no apparent reason? I don't think that happened a lot in the past.

Meanwhile, Russia attacking its neighbours is pretty common, they do that all the time.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10778 Posts
January 07 2025 20:01 GMT
#93708
On January 08 2025 04:55 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
The reason I ask the question is that would this be the breaking point for Americans? Would they accept the US president just annexing land from an allied country?

Would republicans on TL accept it or would that be it for supporting the republican party/Trump (same thing right now?).

It would be interesting to have it on record now if it did happen.


Is this even a question?
Republicans have proven that they accept absolutely everything their daddy does or says.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44845 Posts
January 07 2025 20:08 GMT
#93709
On January 08 2025 05:01 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2025 04:55 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
The reason I ask the question is that would this be the breaking point for Americans? Would they accept the US president just annexing land from an allied country?

Would republicans on TL accept it or would that be it for supporting the republican party/Trump (same thing right now?).

It would be interesting to have it on record now if it did happen.


Is this even a question?
Republicans have proven that they accept absolutely everything their daddy does or says.


Yeah, that's a no-brainer tbh. Regardless of what any Republican says at this point in time, if Trump decides he wants to invade another country, then 90+% of Republicans are going to find a way to justify and support that decision.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland470 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-07 20:13:16
January 07 2025 20:11 GMT
#93710
So, Trump really did not rule military action or economic coercion out for gaining control over Greenland or Panama. Mostly focused on Panama in his answer. AP news
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
January 07 2025 20:20 GMT
#93711
On January 08 2025 05:11 Legan wrote:
So, Trump really did not rule military action or economic coercion out for gaining control over Greenland or Panama. Mostly focused on Panama in his answer. AP news

But reporting on this is sensationalist scaremongering /S

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23411 Posts
January 07 2025 20:22 GMT
#93712
On January 08 2025 04:55 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
The reason I ask the question is that would this be the breaking point for Americans? Would they accept the US president just annexing land from an allied country?
+ Show Spoiler +

Would republicans on TL accept it or would that be it for supporting the republican party/Trump (same thing right now?).

It would be interesting to have it on record now if it did happen.

As far as I can tell Democrats and Republicans don't have one. They're all just praying they don't have to vote for/certify Trump winning in 2028.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24709 Posts
January 07 2025 20:27 GMT
#93713
On January 08 2025 04:58 blomsterjohn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2025 04:54 micronesia wrote:
On January 08 2025 04:46 blomsterjohn wrote:
The US annexing Greenland by military force is completely unchartered territory, and imo not comparable to Russia/Ukraine at all.
What is uncharted about it?


Denmark is a NATO country, with everything that follows/is entailed within that

This is a good point on why Russian annexing attacking neighbors is different than the USA annexing Greenland. I was just curious on what of the many differences you were referring to.

On January 08 2025 05:00 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2025 04:54 micronesia wrote:
On January 08 2025 04:46 blomsterjohn wrote:
The US annexing Greenland by military force is completely unchartered territory, and imo not comparable to Russia/Ukraine at all.
What is uncharted about it?


Well, when was the last time the US randomly invaded an ally for no apparent reason? I don't think that happened a lot in the past.

Meanwhile, Russia attacking its neighbours is pretty common, they do that all the time.

The original context was about how Europe would respond to such invasions (Russia into Ukraine vs USA into Greenland). blomsterjohn followed up reasonably that the difference is NATO membership. This additional point that Russia attacking its neighbors is "pretty common" implies that Europe will react more strongly to invasions from countries that normally don't conduct invasions than countries that commonly do conduct invasions. I'm not sure if that's true or not...
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28700 Posts
January 07 2025 20:39 GMT
#93714
I don't think it's implied that Europe would react more strongly - just that it's unknown territory so we don't know what would happen then.

Tbh I imagine it would create a hugely chaotic situation because while I could picture Europe just going like eh they shouldn't do that but oh well to the US annexing the panama canal I think them annexing part of a NATO country, at least a western founding member, would make NATO go bust and then Europe needs some type of collective defense and at least western european countries could take part of that cause they have fairly shared values but some of the eastern nato members wouldn't be part of it and what about the russia-friendly countries like Slovakia? and Ukraine would probably not be prioritized anymore.

I don't think the US annexing Greenland is a realistic option tbh. But Panama wouldn't be much of a surprise, that's in a region where the US has a very long history of doing whatever they think is beneficial to the US and damn the locals.
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KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
January 07 2025 20:52 GMT
#93715
On January 08 2025 04:58 blomsterjohn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2025 04:54 micronesia wrote:
On January 08 2025 04:46 blomsterjohn wrote:
The US annexing Greenland by military force is completely unchartered territory, and imo not comparable to Russia/Ukraine at all.
What is uncharted about it?


Denmark is a NATO country, with everything that follows/is entailed within that

What is this 'everything'? Do you really believe that Norway or any other random NATO country would (or should) declare war on the USA if they decided to annex Greenland?
Nothing would happen. At all.
(And of course Musk/Zuckerberg would flood the internet with content explaining just how much happier the Greenlanders are this way, and besides it happened months ago it's old news please post something more interesting, and within a year or so anyone talking about it will be laughed at for bringing up old news.)

If they invade Canada I would imagine that starting an all-out rush for nukes, but certainly no aggressive action in that case either.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24709 Posts
January 07 2025 20:53 GMT
#93716
I could see Trump ordering the invasion and annexation of Puerto Rico, not realizing that Puerto Rico is part of the United States.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
January 07 2025 21:00 GMT
#93717
On January 08 2025 04:46 blomsterjohn wrote:
The US annexing Greenland by military force is completely unchartered territory, and imo not comparable to Russia/Ukraine at all.

What is this Trump fixation on Greenland about anyhow?

ed: And while im not really familiar with the culture of the people on Greenland, I'd assume they'd be somewhat in the same boat as Scandinavians. And if that's the case I highly doubt that "joining" the US would be something anyone would want

As a joke, he probably thinks it's as big as it appears on Mercator projections.

On a somewhat serious note, it would increase US presence in the arctic for when shipping lanes becomes easier as the temperature will surely continue rising.
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
January 07 2025 21:03 GMT
#93718
On January 08 2025 05:53 micronesia wrote:
I could see Trump ordering the invasion and annexation of Puerto Rico, not realizing that Puerto Rico is part of the United States.

lol yes. Didnt he already refer to the 'president of Puerto Rico' not realizing that that person was himself last time? This sounds perfectly likely to me.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
blomsterjohn
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway465 Posts
January 07 2025 21:26 GMT
#93719
On January 08 2025 05:52 KlaCkoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2025 04:58 blomsterjohn wrote:
On January 08 2025 04:54 micronesia wrote:
On January 08 2025 04:46 blomsterjohn wrote:
The US annexing Greenland by military force is completely unchartered territory, and imo not comparable to Russia/Ukraine at all.
What is uncharted about it?


Denmark is a NATO country, with everything that follows/is entailed within that

What is this 'everything'? Do you really believe that Norway or any other random NATO country would (or should) declare war on the USA if they decided to annex Greenland?
Nothing would happen. At all.
(And of course Musk/Zuckerberg would flood the internet with content explaining just how much happier the Greenlanders are this way, and besides it happened months ago it's old news please post something more interesting, and within a year or so anyone talking about it will be laughed at for bringing up old news.)

If they invade Canada I would imagine that starting an all-out rush for nukes, but certainly no aggressive action in that case either.


Tthe "everything", in this case, would primarily pertain to the actual pact NATO countries are bound by

And with the US also being in NATO, it would make it a very much unchartered territory-case
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28700 Posts
January 07 2025 21:30 GMT
#93720
I certainly don't envision European countries declaring war on the US but I also can't really picture Denmark staying in a military alliance with a country that annexes 98% of its territory. I mean yeah Denmark and Canada were able to stay friendly despite the Hans Island dispute but that was a slightly smaller issue.
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