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KwarK
United States44183 Posts
On November 08 2024 17:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: This is the guy who walked into North Korea and shook Kims hand.Trump is the peace president. Ah yes, because NK has been at peace with everyone since then. Trump's handshake, as well as declaring that he had fallen in love with KJU, ended all issues with North Korea and nothing bad subsequently happened because Trump brought peace. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2925 Posts
On November 08 2024 17:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: This is the guy who walked into North Korea and shook Kims hand.Trump is the peace president. I think people will be surprised at the positive transformation in the USA over the next few years, from RFK Jr dismantling most of the FDA to Ron Paul cutting 50% of all Govt departments.Trump has assembled a dream team. The transition will be rocky but great things are coming. So you are saying that Trump would not support Israel if they got into a major conflict in the Middle East? | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5186 Posts
How does RFK Jr know anything about the FDA and how will you actually track what he's doing? How will you know how he's done a good job? 50% of Govnt depts? This will do what exactly? Make the system more lean and mean? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27199 Posts
I don’t think he’s a warmonger either. Not actively starting wars and being a peacemaker, different things. The latter, quite bloody hard. He dodged too many really tricky scenarios first time round, not the case this time around. I mean a perpetually single guy can claim to be great at monogomy but it’s not really meaningfully tested. The rest of your aspirations sound actively awful, but tastes vary. I don’t think Trump is going to deliver quite as radically in those sorta libertarian favoured policies. Something likely, but not to that degree As with many things we shall see | ||
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oBlade
United States6303 Posts
On November 08 2024 17:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Anyway just seen this clip of Bidens speech from yesterday and he is speaking clearer and more coherently than i have seen in years.If he had been like this during the campaign and the debate there'd be no issue at all. The reason is he gave that speech at 11:30 in the morning, meaning in his good window, as he's a self-admitted "old fart," this is a real biological issue for him. Yeah he would be a better president if he was lucid all the time but that's physically not in the cards for him at this point, unfortunately for all involved. | ||
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Razyda
1045 Posts
On November 08 2024 13:04 Salazarz wrote: Arresting a guy for leading a coup is not fascism, it's just following the laws. Plenty of randos in the crowd that stormed the capitol got criminal charges. The way I see it, there's a huge disconnect in messaging and actions of the Dems. Either Trump is all the things they say he is, and then them not dealing with him is a massive failure to uphold the law and security of the country; or he is not, in fact, all the things they say he is and they're just trying to push people into voting for them because 'big bad orange will get ya' otherwise. Bolded - That is correct, however you may notice GH is talking about "patriotic justice" (which has nothing to do with law), also if you following the law you wouldn't need to "be immune from prosecution" which GH is getting all excited about. This excitement from socialists representative on this forum should tell you all you need to know about socialism. Italic - On November 08 2024 14:04 KwarK wrote: It's the first. They trusted in institutions that couldn't be relied upon. No, it is the second. After demonizing him all over the world, and prosecuting him, if it was the first Democrats would taken GH route, or would be leaving US in droves. That is unless they count on Trump "forgive and forget" approach which fascists are widely known for. | ||
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Husyelt
United States838 Posts
On November 08 2024 18:22 WombaT wrote: He’s not the ‘Peace President’ lmao, folks will all use the same wee catchphrases and get annoyed you say it’s a bit cult like I don’t think he’s a warmonger either. Not actively starting wars and being a peacemaker, different things. The latter, quite bloody hard. He dodged too many really tricky scenarios first time round, not the case this time around. I mean a perpetually single guy can claim to be great at monogomy but it’s not really meaningfully tested. The rest of your aspirations sound actively awful, but tastes vary. I don’t think Trump is going to deliver quite as radically in those sorta libertarian favoured policies. Something likely, but not to that degree As with many things we shall see Trump will be a lame duck for the most part, he will struggle personally with his ego realizing he isnt the same populist on cable news that he was in 2016. He will lash out at his GOP cabinet and do some self harm which should limit the damage the GOP can do to our country. However, make no mistake. Ukraine will get boned, there will be a "peace deal" which will grant Russia its gains, allowing it to fully mobilize and wait for 6 months to a few years and invade again blaming Ukraine for escalation and Trump wont do a damn thing. There will be show trials for Jack Smith, Garland, any justice that went after any of the GOP. Im guessing these will be mostly harmless, but could escalate if the base wants blood. On that front, there will be mass concentration camps for "illegals" and the base will love the degradation to follow. These latter things is where we could face the really bad timeline of pure fascism. This guy could be the next attorney general, and if his rhetoric isnt clamped down, well, glhf folks x.com | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On November 08 2024 11:46 Razyda wrote: I just quote this post, but GH to put last few pages of your posts in context of your usual stance: Liberals will descend to fascism - now you advocating for Democrats to become a fascist to stop Trump. Lesser evilism = bad, but Democrats becoming fascist is better than Trump becoming president, therefore in this case lesser evilism good. Sort of makes sense - you can then claim "told you Democrats will become fascists". The only reasonable way to view GH’s posts is that whatever the Dems do, it’s wrong. If they don’t take out Trump then they are fascists enablers, and if they do take out Trump then they are 99% fascists themselves. As always, Dems are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. There’s no sense in engaging. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2925 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17682 Posts
Had the USA been reasonable during the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s they could've spent a lot less tax money on military. The Soviet Union was no where near as strong as being advertised by the media. The US government would have improved the lives of working people by either lowering taxes or putting that military money into anything but exotic unnecessary bombs and air force toys. Hopefully, Trump makes good on his energy plans and does the right thing for the working people of the USA. Hopefully, Trump ignores the environment alarmists. Going "green" has crippled the Canadian economy. The average working Canadian has gotten crushed. Hopefully, Trump avoids the whole thing and gives working people a chance at a decent life. Middle East Issues On January 20th , 1980 Iran released the US hostages after 444 days in captivity just as Ronald Reagan was being inaugurated. I suspect this is 100% calculated and a direct shot at Jimmy Carter and his administration. I think Reagan was going to burn Iran to the ground had the hostages still been in Iran. It is interesting how people will go hard at a reasonable leader such as Jimmy Carter. When faced with someone they know will instantly end their lives the "hard line psycho terrorists" suddenly became like Canadian negotiator diplomat guys. I wonder if the Gaza conflict will magically come to an end just as Donald Trump arrives on the scene?  | ||
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On November 08 2024 18:05 KwarK wrote: Ah yes, because NK has been at peace with everyone since then. Trump's handshake, as well as declaring that he had fallen in love with KJU, ended all issues with North Korea and nothing bad subsequently happened because Trump brought peace. During the Obama administration the Koreas were on the brink of war, it was basically always in the news along with ISIS and generally everyone was just waiting for it to pop off. Under Trump they went from the front page to the footnotes of global news and became basically a non issue. All of todays issues with North Korea started in the last year or two under the Biden administration. The difference being that NK has a ratified security agreement with Russia now, which happened under Biden. Though it will be interesting to see what approach Trump will take, NK is much more stable now with money and tech flowing in. Not really in a corner anymore so not much of a threat. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17682 Posts
For an interesting look at the Korean war and how it was viewed check out the movie or the TV series M*A*S*H. It is not 100% accurate but it provides a great view of how the Korea War was perceived by Americans in the 1970s. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2834 Posts
On November 08 2024 20:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Eventually South Korea's very low birth rate will impact its viability as a nation. North Korea is coming folks. If something happens on that front I do not see the USA stepping in with ground military as it did in 1949. I think we'll see a lot of South Korean flags on car windows kinda like what we currently see with Ukrainian flags. They will get nukes before that. Japan will also get nukes. Quite likely Ukraine too if they get the chance. Hopefully Sweden and the rest of Europe. Maybe Iran, followed by SA in response. A real scenario for my daughter might be waiting to see which minor conflict between lesser powers is the fist one to go nuclear. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17682 Posts
There have been dozens if not hundreds of military conflicts since this video was made. A nuke has never been used. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9915 Posts
On November 08 2024 20:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote: No one is afraid of nukes any longer though. My grandfather has been hearing about how nukes will end the world since he was 5. He is now 80. Eventually, people get numb to stuff like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60 You should watch Threads. It really convinced me to be afraid. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11921 Posts
On November 08 2024 20:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote: We had an impending nuclear apocalypse for 40+ years. Everyone loves a world ending scenario and the media loved the ratings such scary predictions yield. The nuclear apocaplypse never came. US Tax Payers had to pay the bill for pointless military extavagancies because "we are on the verge of WW3". Same thing is going on right now with the Global Warming Apocalypse. The average US tax payer is hit hard by these environmental scare tactics. I do not think it is anything to worry about at all. Had the USA been reasonable during the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s they could've spent a lot less tax money on military. The Soviet Union was no where near as strong as being advertised by the media. The US government would have improved the lives of working people by either lowering taxes or putting that military money into anything but exotic unnecessary bombs and air force toys. Hopefully, Trump makes good on his energy plans and does the right thing for the working people of the USA. Hopefully, Trump ignores the environment alarmists. Going "green" has crippled the Canadian economy. The average working Canadian has gotten crushed. Hopefully, Trump avoids the whole thing and gives working people a chance at a decent life. Ignoring climate change is more expensive than dealing with it. Ask the people in Florida. The problem with climate is that even if you do stuff to mitigate it, that doesn't help if others don't. It is similar to a prisoners dilemma situation. If everyone works towards mitigating climate change, we get less problems, and it is cheaper overall. But if you are the only one who does, and the others don't, you get doubly fucked. You have the costs of going green, but not the savings from less climate change. And, of course, if no one reacts, everyone gets extra fucked. It has the added problematic of being diffuse in causation and long-term in results. Edit: Also, this is so frustrating. If there is a problem, and you work hard to prevent it, people will just claim that there was never a problem or a reason to be scared. Nukes are scary. A lot of people worked very hard and very carefully to prevent WW3 from happening. We built complex institutions just to prevent nuclear war. And the ozone layer was scary, but we stopped emitting HCFCs and mostly solved the problem. And now we get people saying that it was just all hysteria. If there is a threat of a flood, and you build a dam, and that dam prevents the flood, that doesn't mean that the expenditure in the dam was wasted. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17682 Posts
On November 08 2024 20:36 Jockmcplop wrote: You should watch Threads. It really convinced me to be afraid. I'm not worried at all. I do not want my tax money going towards nuclear bombs. Other forms of military possibly. In general, I'd like to the see USA spend a lot less on military. On November 08 2024 20:36 Simberto wrote: It has the added problematic of being diffuse in causation and long-term in results. i am far more worried about managing our Oceans than global warming. There are environmental concerns that must be taken into consideration. IMO, global warming ain't one of 'em. On November 08 2024 20:36 Simberto wrote: Ignoring climate change is more expensive than dealing with it. Ask the people in Florida. The U of Miami Hurricanes for their name 100 years ago because bad weather hits florida a lot. crippling your economy while purporting to save the world from climate change is worse. Ask the people in Ontario, Canada where hydro rates are up by an order of magnitude. | ||
hexhaven
Finland964 Posts
On November 08 2024 20:36 Simberto wrote: Edit: Also, this is so frustrating. If there is a problem, and you work hard to prevent it, people will just claim that there was never a problem or a reason to be scared. Nukes are scary. A lot of people worked very hard and very carefully to prevent WW3 from happening. We built complex institutions just to prevent nuclear war. And the ozone layer was scary, but we stopped emitting HCFCs and mostly solved the problem. And now we get people saying that it was just all hysteria. This is what Jimmy did a few pages back pretty much verbatim. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11921 Posts
On November 08 2024 20:44 hexhaven wrote: This is what Jimmy did a few pages back pretty much verbatim. I know, i reacted there already. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17682 Posts
We were never "2 minutes to midnight" as the Iron Maiden song goes. There was a lot of wasted tax payer money during that era. The initial predictions about the Ozone Layer was that it was permanently damaged and would never grow back. The initial predictions about AIDS was that it would be a world wide epidemic and being HIV+ meant certain death. WHO didn't remove the impending AIDS epidemic as a big health threat until 2010. So they kept it going a long long time. The general rule is outlined by Marilyn Manson in Bowling for Columbine.... "keep everyone scared and they'll consume". I think the biggest issue facing America is the crumbling family unit. Its not nuclear bombs or global warming or any other distant unseen boogey man. | ||
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