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Simberto
Germany12086 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium5238 Posts
World domination? Equilibrium? Or maybe, reformulated, what is the idealized end state of a nation? | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
Its cool that you are happy about a Trump victory but this is head in the sand stuff you are talking about. With global warming its not as if we can just open a window and let heat out.....not to mention the oceans warming being even scarier. Do you have any appreciation for how much energy it takes to raise the temperature of water? Then multiply that on a global scale for the oceans. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18049 Posts
On November 08 2024 20:57 Sadist wrote: Jimmy i dont think you understand the scale of destruction of nuclear wespons at all. Same for global warming. Its cool that you are happy about a Trump victory but this is head in the sand stuff you are talking about. With global warming its not as if we can just open a window and let heat out.....not to mention the oceans warming being even scarier. Do you have any appreciation for how much energy it takes to raise the temperature of water? Then multiply that on a global scale for the oceans. I do not think the data is correct though. Nukes: its been 70+ years now. When someone drops a nuclear bomb let me know. Check out the Manson video I posted previously. The crumbling family unit is a bigger issue than nuclear bombs. So I work hard to build my family. Also, its fun and rewarding. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On November 08 2024 20:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote: The Canada//Soviet wheat deal was a big indicator how weak the Soviet Union really was. The Soviet Union's power was exaggerated. We were never "2 minutes to midnight" as the Iron Maiden song goes. There was a lot of wasted tax payer money during that era. The initial predictions about the Ozone Layer was that it was permanently damaged and would never grow back. The initial predictions about AIDS was that it would be a world wide epidemic and being HIV+ meant certain death. The general rule is outlined by Marilyn Manson in Bowling for Columbine.... "keep everyone scared and they'll consume". There was a world wide epidemic and for years being HIV positive was really bad news for you even in the West You seem to be kinda leaving a giant part of the Cold War calculus is out, the whole stopping socialism part. Far more money and human effort went into that than green initiatives have thus far. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18049 Posts
On November 08 2024 21:05 WombaT wrote: There was a world wide epidemic and for years being HIV positive was really bad news for you even in the West You seem to be kinda leaving a giant part of the Cold War calculus is out, the whole stopping socialism part. Far more money and human effort went into that than green initiatives have thus far. WHO greatly exaggerated that AIDS would grow into a world wide epidemic for heterosexuals and did not stop until 2010. Toronto has a massive gay population with thousands of AIDS cases and everyone stopped dying from it around 1995. Magic Johnson tested + in 1991. It was a death sentence. My grandma worked in a medical lab in the 80s and 90s during this "epidemic". Hardly any one died after about 1990. And, the longer the epidemic went they kept changing the projections about how long you could "live with HIV". | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2958 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium5238 Posts
Church communities used to provide something the internet doesn't: keeps you in contact with your immediate community. Now there absolutely zero incentive to do so and so people don't. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12086 Posts
On November 08 2024 21:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote: WHO greatly exaggerated that AIDS would grow into a world wide epidemic for heterosexuals. Because people reacted. Not a lot of people have casual sex without condoms nowadays. This is another case of a reaction making the problem not as big, and you claiming that there never was a big problem. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18049 Posts
On November 08 2024 21:08 EnDeR_ wrote: I started typing up a whole bit about the costs of ignoring climate change and how fossil fuels are still being subsidised, but why bother. The information is available both within this thread and also much better laid out in other online sources if he wants to read it. If he doesn't want to inform himself, none of our posts are going to change his mind. I'm more worried about how the OIL industry could wreck the oceans and our water supply. I do not think global warming is a problem. So, I do not think environmental issues should be ignored. I believe we are being pointed in the wrong direction. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On November 08 2024 19:24 Husyelt wrote: Trump will be a lame duck for the most part, he will struggle personally with his ego realizing he isnt the same populist on cable news that he was in 2016. He will lash out at his GOP cabinet and do some self harm which should limit the damage the GOP can do to our country. However, make no mistake. Ukraine will get boned, there will be a "peace deal" which will grant Russia its gains, allowing it to fully mobilize and wait for 6 months to a few years and invade again blaming Ukraine for escalation and Trump wont do a damn thing. There will be show trials for Jack Smith, Garland, any justice that went after any of the GOP. Im guessing these will be mostly harmless, but could escalate if the base wants blood. On that front, there will be mass concentration camps for "illegals" and the base will love the degradation to follow. These latter things is where we could face the really bad timeline of pure fascism. This guy could be the next attorney general, and if his rhetoric isnt clamped down, well, glhf folks x.com If Trump was sensible he could just not do that and go ’see folks I’m not the dictator the Dems say’ Of course, that does require him not to be vindictive, so I wouldn’t hold my breath. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
On November 08 2024 20:54 Simberto wrote: You don't need a lot of power. As long as you have 50 nukes on ICBMs, you can start armageddon. Start? Yeah. Assuming there will be response. However 50 nuclear devices alone, although it will kill many milions of people directly and indirectly, is not enough to end life on Earth or human civilization. True armageddon is more in the range of 5000 nuclear devices. The scary thing is, both US and Russia, have enough for this purpose. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28929 Posts
On November 08 2024 21:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I do not think the data is correct though. Nukes: its been 70+ years now. When someone drops a nuclear bomb let me know. Check out the Manson video I posted previously. The crumbling family unit is a bigger issue than nuclear bombs. So I work hard to build my family. Also, its fun and rewarding. What is your basis for not thinking the data is correct? Again, not talking about the most extreme scenarios repeated by the media, but actual data from the IPCC? What makes you think their measurements are wrong? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18049 Posts
On November 08 2024 21:08 Simberto wrote: Because people reacted. Not a lot of people have casual sex without condoms nowadays. This is another case of a reaction making the problem not as big, and you claiming that there never was a big problem. and you base this on? one of my customers is a media company that owns a chain of Adult Stores throughout NA. The Adult Stores have private viewing booths. According to my contacts within this org casual gay sex without condoms is more common every year. Couples go into these booths without buying condoms. 30 years ago they bought condoms every time. https://www.washington.edu/news/2024/02/27/qa-decline-in-condom-use-indicates-need-for-further-education-awareness/ So I have data I know about combined with academic studies. So, I think you are incorrect. I think condom use is down. DISCLAIMER: i made the viewing booth software. if you own a sex shop and need CRM software lemme know! | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5238 Posts
On November 08 2024 21:08 Simberto wrote: Because people reacted. Not a lot of people have casual sex without condoms nowadays. How so you know that? And how much is 'not a lot'? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On November 08 2024 21:09 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I'm more worried about how the OIL industry could wreck the oceans and our water supply. I do not think global warming is a problem. So, I do not think environmental issues should be ignored. I believe we are being pointed in the wrong direction. Even if you think that is the case any global-warming mitigation reduces the oil industry’s activities no? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18049 Posts
On November 08 2024 21:17 WombaT wrote: Even if you think that is the case any global-warming mitigation reduces the oil industry’s activities no? that is a great point. you could be right. | ||
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VHbb
692 Posts
On November 08 2024 20:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote: We had an impending nuclear apocalypse for 40+ years. Everyone loves a world ending scenario and the media loved the ratings such scary predictions yield. The nuclear apocaplypse never came. US Tax Payers had to pay the bill for pointless military extavagancies because "we are on the verge of WW3". Same thing is going on right now with the Global Warming Apocalypse. The average US tax payer is hit hard by these environmental scare tactics. I do not think it is anything to worry about at all. Had the USA been reasonable during the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s they could've spent a lot less tax money on military. The Soviet Union was no where near as strong as being advertised by the media. The US government would have improved the lives of working people by either lowering taxes or putting that military money into anything but exotic unnecessary bombs and air force toys. Hopefully, Trump makes good on his energy plans and does the right thing for the working people of the USA. Hopefully, Trump ignores the environment alarmists. Going "green" has crippled the Canadian economy. The average working Canadian has gotten crushed. Hopefully, Trump avoids the whole thing and gives working people a chance at a decent life. Middle East Issues On January 20th , 1980 Iran released the US hostages after 444 days in captivity just as Ronald Reagan was being inaugurated. I suspect this is 100% calculated and a direct shot at Jimmy Carter and his administration. I think Reagan was going to burn Iran to the ground had the hostages still been in Iran. It is interesting how people will go hard at a reasonable leader such as Jimmy Carter. When faced with someone they know will instantly end their lives the "hard line psycho terrorists" suddenly became like Canadian negotiator diplomat guys. I wonder if the Gaza conflict will magically come to an end just as Donald Trump arrives on the scene?  I truly am scared that I live in a world where people can be this obtuse. I reassure myself thinking it's just a person in a forum who thinks that "the family unity" is more important than global warming, that "men" and "women" have to have distinct roles in a society, that nuclear war is not scary because it has not happened yet, but it still makes me so scared and enraged. I hope something more radical will come out of all of this, and that a path exists towards a future that is livable (for all, not only for some). I never write on TL but often lurks, but I cannot read this thread anymore without feeling dread from the comments of people like this, and what shocks me is that you probably have no idea and no concern of the violence that your words carry. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18493 Posts
On November 08 2024 21:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and you base this on? one of my customers is a media company that owns a chain of Adult Stores throughout NA. The Adult Stores have private viewing booths. According to my contacts within this org casual gay sex without condoms is more common every year. Couples go into these booths without buying condoms. 30 years ago they bought condoms every time. https://www.washington.edu/news/2024/02/27/qa-decline-in-condom-use-indicates-need-for-further-education-awareness/ So I have data I know about combined with academic studies. So, I think you are incorrect. I think condom use is down. DISCLAIMER: i made the viewing booth software. if you own a sex shop and need CRM software lemme know! Yes, and healthcare workers have been warning for a few years now that STDs are on the rise again, because people are having more unprotected sex. What is your point? E: to make this absolutely crystal clear, your initial point was, paraphrasing, "look at AIDS, the doomsdayers said itd be a horrible global pandemic, and it fizzled", to which the response was "yes, because we reacted, and people stopped having unprotected sex". The fact that unprotected sex is on the rise again doesn't mean that people didn't act in the 90s. Also, AIDS was (and to some extent still is) absolutely devastating to Africa. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18049 Posts
So, I think condom use is way way down compared to the 80s and 90s. During that era everyone thought AIDs would kill them so people used condoms. On November 08 2024 21:24 Acrofales wrote: Yes, and healthcare workers have been warning for a few years now that STDs are on the rise again, because people are having more unprotected sex. What is your point? my point is condom use is way down and AIDs is not killing any one. Yes, STDs are rising. STDs are bad and are a public health nuisance. Personally, I'm an advocate of sexual temperance and only having sex within marriage. | ||
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