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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46140 Posts
On November 06 2024 07:23 FlaShFTW wrote: https://x.com/StayWonked/status/1853892570948018178 Enormous numbers coming out for the women vote. That update was 2 hours ago... if it can stay like that for just a few more hours... oh (wo)man! Election Day will be ending soon, and then America will announce its Gender Reveal... I hope it's a girl  | ||
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brian
United States9642 Posts
On November 06 2024 07:10 GreenHorizons wrote: Don't remember if I posted my thoughts or not but this is one example of something that's in the gray zone of "free and fair election". Signature matching being used to disqualify high numbers of younger voters because the signature on their ballot doesn't match the digital one they made at the DMV on one of those shitty pads. If it somehow came down to Nevada and we could definitively say the ballots disqualified this way would have swung the election in Harris' favor, would we still call it a "free and fair" election? absolute BS. i’ve never had a consistent signature in my life. my name is like 20 letters long, i don’t have all fuckin day. and like you said, who can sign an ipad? they’re half functional as it is. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10495 Posts
Nevada numbers are still holding very strong in favor of Dems, with the republican vote being abnormally small. It's possible that Republicans have smashed the early voting in Nevada, one of the few states where they traditionally do pretty well in for early voting, but these numbers are not looking good for Trump. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10495 Posts
CNN exit poll favors Harris imo. Democracy being the top ticket item is good news for them as Trump doesn't really have a leg to stand on for this category. The economy is an interesting one because the economy has been largely solid these past few months. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10495 Posts
Troubling results in Arizona however, as the Dem vote on ED has been weak in Maricopa county. It's possible that Dems blew out Republicans in the early voting, and that Indepedents will largely break for Harris, but this are not the numbers that Dems want. Independents broke largely for Biden last election in Arizona. UPDATE: according to CNN, Arizona will be a very slow counter, with Maricopa County releasing the early vote 1 hour after polls close, and the 2nd batch will be released on Wednesday (the ED vote). We'll just have to see how that Early vote panned out for Harris, but if it doesn't look good, it could be over for Harris in Arizona as early as 10pm ET. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28830 Posts
On November 06 2024 07:37 FlaShFTW wrote: https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1853922935045546148 CNN exit poll favors Harris imo. Democracy being the top ticket item is good news for them as Trump doesn't really have a leg to stand on for this category. The economy is an interesting one because the economy has been largely solid these past few months. I heard that state of democracy and economy are actually both pretty closely split party wise, even though my initial thought was yeah those are good democrat numbers. abortion beating out immigration is, anyway. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46140 Posts
On November 06 2024 07:37 FlaShFTW wrote: https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1853922935045546148 CNN exit poll favors Harris imo. Democracy being the top ticket item is good news for them as Trump doesn't really have a leg to stand on for this category. The economy is an interesting one because the economy has been largely solid these past few months. Looks like Democracy covers Economy and Abortion covers Immigration, two pairings that are more likely to favor Harris than Trump! | ||
KwarK
United States44134 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46140 Posts
On November 06 2024 08:07 KwarK wrote: And yet the Biden economy has been objectively, measurably, indisputably fantastic. Inflation lower than any benchmark western nation, better wage growth, better employment numbers, better on cost of living, better on fuel costs. When people vote Trump due to the economy I genuinely don’t know what they’re thinking because Biden’s economy is great and Trump is pledging to blow it up the way he did farm exports. They're thinking that post-covid inflation is Biden's fault. (It's not, but that's what they're thinking.) | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 06 2024 08:07 KwarK wrote: And yet the Biden economy has been objectively, measurably, indisputably fantastic. Inflation lower than any benchmark western nation, better wage growth, better employment numbers, better on cost of living, better on fuel costs. When people vote Trump due to the economy I genuinely don’t know what they’re thinking because Biden’s economy is great and Trump is pledging to blow it up the way he did farm exports. I had known the US did better during and after covid compared to other major nations. But I had not realized to what extent until I recently read about the situation in Canada. Holy smokes what a disaster. Canada is basically crumbling right now. I generally try to shy away from comparisons as a means of justifying a bad situation. But in this case, I think basically the entire world is doing way worse than the US right now. And in many cases, to a huuuuuge extent. It made be extremely grateful. | ||
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Mikau313
Netherlands230 Posts
On November 06 2024 08:07 KwarK wrote: And yet the Biden economy has been objectively, measurably, indisputably fantastic. Inflation lower than any benchmark western nation, better wage growth, better employment numbers, better on cost of living, better on fuel costs. When people vote Trump due to the economy I genuinely don’t know what they’re thinking because Biden’s economy is great and Trump is pledging to blow it up the way he did farm exports. They're thinking "gas was cheap during Covid, gas is expensive now, economy bad". Literally, not much more thought than that goes into it. The fact that inflation is high in absolute terms but lower than the rest of the world is one thought deeper than the people who vote for 'the economy' can muster. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9060 Posts
On November 06 2024 08:13 Mohdoo wrote: I had known the US did better during and after covid compared to other major nations. But I had not realized to what extent until I recently read about the situation in Canada. Holy smokes what a disaster. Canada is basically crumbling right now. I generally try to shy away from comparisons as a means of justifying a bad situation. But in this case, I think basically the entire world is doing way worse than the US right now. And in many cases, to a huuuuuge extent. It made be extremely grateful. I look at my friends sitch in Japan and they are struggling. The Yen is very weak and it limits them in regards to importing and traveling. I can go to Japan for around 1200$. They coming is closer to double that in some cases. | ||
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KwarK
United States44134 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9060 Posts
On November 06 2024 08:26 KwarK wrote: I saw a pro Trump Facebook forward which showed a picture of full supermarket shelves and one of empty ones. It said the first would be life under Trump and the second would be life under Kamala. The first was AI generated. The second was literally taken during Trump’s last term. Hilarious. That's just so obvious if you think about what tariffs will do to our economy. Everything becomes more expensive so people will start hoarding like Covid years. Might as well camp out at Farmer's Markets and try to get that shit straight from the source.Also, that people still can't recognize AI generated content (a lot more needs to be done to flag and label these things) is sad. What's also sad is that people think the US is a Christian nation. It's almost as if the education system has failed multiple generations. | ||
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micronesia
United States24779 Posts
On November 06 2024 08:34 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: What's also sad is that people think the US is a Christian nation. It's almost as if the education system has failed multiple generations. Do you include "parents" as part of that education system? Sometimes, there's a limit to what schools can do. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9060 Posts
On November 06 2024 08:37 micronesia wrote: Do you include "parents" as part of that education system? Sometimes, there's a limit to what schools can do. I agree 2000000% with you. The parents should pick up the slack of what children don't learn in school. If they have a question, parents should be able to answer or at least, at the very minimum, give a good bullshit answer that's closer to the truth. But most parents aren't engaged in children education. They expect teachers to do everything and complain when it just isn't possible. Don't get me started on the shrinking budgets for teachers to be able to have enough materials (updated or technological) to cover every student. | ||
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Razyda
1036 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/nov/05/us-election-results-2024-live-donald-trump-kamala-harris-president | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
Hamilton county (Ohio) is at 65% reporting, D+2 right now. It was R+7 in 2020. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10495 Posts
In Indiana, Harris has picked up major points here in Hamilton County (north county of Indianapolis) and Allen County (Fort Wayne). Hamilton County early results: 65% reporting. HARRIS FLIP: 50-49. 2020: 52.5 Trump - 45.5 Biden. Change +4 Harris Allen County early results: 44% reporting. Currently 52-47 in favor of Trump. 2020: 54.5-43 in favor of Trump. Change: +4 Harris. | ||
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KwarK
United States44134 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Trump plan] + Well, I would do that, and we’re sitting down, and I was, somebody, we had Senator Marco Rubio, and my daughter Ivanka was so, uh, impactful on that issue. It’s a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about, that, because, look, child care is child care is. Couldn’t, you know, there’s something, you have to have it – in this country you have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to — but they’ll get used to it very quickly – and it’s not gonna stop them from doing business with us, but they’ll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Uh, those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we’re talking about, including child care, that it’s going to take care. We’re gonna have – I, I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with, uh, the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country, because I have to stay with child care. I want to stay with child care, but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I’m talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just, uh, that I just told you about. We’re gonna be taking in trillions of dollars, and as much as child care, uh, is talked about as being expensive, it’s, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we’ll be taking in. We’re going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we’ll worry about the rest of the world. Let’s help other people, but we’re going to take care of our country first. This is about America first. It’s about Make America Great Again, we have to do it because right now we’re a failing nation, so we’ll take care of it. Thank you. Very good question. Thank you. Assuming approximately 1/3 of a billion Americans and trillions of dollars in additional revenues we can conservatively assume at least an additional $6,000 in taxes per capita ($24,000 on a family of 4). I think it's reasonable to assume that he didn't misspeak because he also said that this new revenue would eliminate the deficit (about $2t). Let's put it another way though. Total government revenue this year is about $4.9t. About half of that is from individual tax returns so about $2.4t. Trump wants to raise at least another $2t from individuals to balance the deficit. He's proposing about a 83% tax increase (2/2.4) on individuals assuming no spending increases. And we've all seen that out of control spending increases are what you get under a Trump presidency. | ||
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