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On March 27 2024 20:51 Liquid`Drone wrote: Isn't Intro californian? So him voting or not isn't really relevant. I do agree he seems to tacitly support him, though.
Yeah, his vote is inconsequential (mine too). I am interested in where his political allegiances (and those of other Americans who think similarly to him) lie. Same for Danglars, I mentioned wondering where he’s at on Trump these days, not because his vote matters, but because unlike Intro, he did seem to think January 6th was a travesty and Trump was to blame. IIRC he even said that in retrospect Biden was the right choice in 2020, not long before he got permabanned.
There were a decent number of Republicans who were talking that way 3 years ago. I can’t help but wonder how easy they’re finding it to return to the fold, as Trump continues to swear the election was stolen, promise to pardon J6ers, etc.
Pretty sure Danglars and I had a similar take on Jan 6 when it was happening, it would be easy to check i think. I don't recall him changing his position, but if he did I suspect it would have more to do with subsequent shenanigans in the states and in the house than the riot. Could be wrong though. Bur if either of us are not supporting Trump that would be him coming around to my side either way I guess no need speculate on the (forcefully) departed
I scrolled through a few pages of the thread on January 6th/7th, but I don’t think you were very active that day. Found a bunch of embattled Danglars posts, though, including (in retrospect, overly optimistic) statements like this:
On January 07 2021 05:25 Danglars wrote:
On January 07 2021 05:20 Nouar wrote: At least now, we are pretty sure there is no future for Trump in politics, and it should be the clean break between the republican party and Trump. Moderate republican voters should be forever reluctant to support him if they value "law and order" (Well I do hope so... But my beliefs in what is sane or not have been consistently shattered by republicans this past decade that I even doubt that now)
Yeah, Trump is done with politics. This is the treason stuff. And now Trump's trying to "lock the barn door after the horse has bolted."
At least at the time, Danglars’ take was “this is the treason stuff.” Supported impeach and remove, said in retrospect Biden was the right choice in 2020. Idk about then, but at least today your take is essentially “the capital riot was just a riot, NBD” and events like January 6th (and politicians like Trump inciting and celebrating them) are not a threat worth worrying about.
Eh, could be wrong about Danglars, but I seem to recall using the phrase "throw the book at them" in reference to the rioters and him agreeing. But along with that (at least in the days following) i disagreed strongly with the idea that this was an event worthy of the "month+#" format and as big a deal as 9/11. So I have been consistent on that I think. Either way, if there is a coup in America at some point I think that would be the very end of Ameican democracy, not the beginning of the end. The system will be broken before that happens. And this "coup" had no chance of success, meanwhile the breakdown of the Constitutional system continues even now.
It wasn't the very end because it wasn't successful.
"There can't have been a coup attempt because it didn't succeed in ending democracy" is a very weird stance to take.
I mean also don't really think it was a coup, I'm not sure the people who broke in really thought they were going to install Trump as president anyways through violent means. I thought it was a protest that went very wrong. Calling it a coup is giving it too much credit.
Which part are you not following? The part where the mob thought Trump won? The part where the mob thought Congess was actively stealing the election from him? Or the part where they rushed in to violently stop the certification of the Biden win? There’s no shortage of evidence for each of those but it’s not clear which bit of the picture your brain isn’t able to process.
On March 27 2024 20:51 Liquid`Drone wrote: Isn't Intro californian? So him voting or not isn't really relevant. I do agree he seems to tacitly support him, though.
Yeah, his vote is inconsequential (mine too). I am interested in where his political allegiances (and those of other Americans who think similarly to him) lie. Same for Danglars, I mentioned wondering where he’s at on Trump these days, not because his vote matters, but because unlike Intro, he did seem to think January 6th was a travesty and Trump was to blame. IIRC he even said that in retrospect Biden was the right choice in 2020, not long before he got permabanned.
There were a decent number of Republicans who were talking that way 3 years ago. I can’t help but wonder how easy they’re finding it to return to the fold, as Trump continues to swear the election was stolen, promise to pardon J6ers, etc.
Pretty sure Danglars and I had a similar take on Jan 6 when it was happening, it would be easy to check i think. I don't recall him changing his position, but if he did I suspect it would have more to do with subsequent shenanigans in the states and in the house than the riot. Could be wrong though. Bur if either of us are not supporting Trump that would be him coming around to my side either way I guess no need speculate on the (forcefully) departed
I scrolled through a few pages of the thread on January 6th/7th, but I don’t think you were very active that day. Found a bunch of embattled Danglars posts, though, including (in retrospect, overly optimistic) statements like this:
On January 07 2021 05:25 Danglars wrote:
On January 07 2021 05:20 Nouar wrote: At least now, we are pretty sure there is no future for Trump in politics, and it should be the clean break between the republican party and Trump. Moderate republican voters should be forever reluctant to support him if they value "law and order" (Well I do hope so... But my beliefs in what is sane or not have been consistently shattered by republicans this past decade that I even doubt that now)
Yeah, Trump is done with politics. This is the treason stuff. And now Trump's trying to "lock the barn door after the horse has bolted."
At least at the time, Danglars’ take was “this is the treason stuff.” Supported impeach and remove, said in retrospect Biden was the right choice in 2020. Idk about then, but at least today your take is essentially “the capital riot was just a riot, NBD” and events like January 6th (and politicians like Trump inciting and celebrating them) are not a threat worth worrying about.
Eh, could be wrong about Danglars, but I seem to recall using the phrase "throw the book at them" in reference to the rioters and him agreeing. But along with that (at least in the days following) i disagreed strongly with the idea that this was an event worthy of the "month+#" format and as big a deal as 9/11. So I have been consistent on that I think. Either way, if there is a coup in America at some point I think that would be the very end of Ameican democracy, not the beginning of the end. The system will be broken before that happens. And this "coup" had no chance of success, meanwhile the breakdown of the Constitutional system continues even now.
It wasn't the very end because it wasn't successful.
"There can't have been a coup attempt because it didn't succeed in ending democracy" is a very weird stance to take.
I mean also don't really think it was a coup, I'm not sure the people who broke in really thought they were going to install Trump as president anyways through violent means. I thought it was a protest that went very wrong. Calling it a coup is giving it too much credit.
Which part are you not following? The part where the mob thought Trump won? The part where the mob thought Congess was actively stealing the election from him? Or the part where they rushed in to violently stop the certification of the Biden win? There’s no shortage of evidence for each of those but it’s not clear which bit of the picture your brain isn’t able to process.
Not to mention the mob shouting "hang Mike Pence" after they built a scaffold.
On March 28 2024 04:32 Sadist wrote: Not to mention the fucking fake electors. Those traitors. Every single one of them should be in jail.
That's a different event entirely. From what I've read it seems like a spontaneous riot more than some sort of organized coup. Idk, but this has always been my position so I don't feel like re-litigating it beyond my answer to ChristianS. Maybe it would have been a coup if Trump led them on, but he moreso just acted like a coward and didn't do anything at all. I think it was a dumb protest that got out of hand and ended in a riot.
On March 28 2024 04:32 Sadist wrote: Not to mention the fucking fake electors. Those traitors. Every single one of them should be in jail.
That's a different event entirely. From what I've read it seems like a spontaneous riot more than some sort of organized coup. Idk, but this has always been my position so I don't feel like re-litigating it beyond my answer to ChristianS. Maybe it would have been a coup if Trump led them on, but he moreso just acted like a coward and didn't do anything at all. I think it was a dumb protest that got out of hand and ended in a riot.
Do we not think Trump and his team were behind the fake electors?
Edit: he was parallel pathing multiple coup options. They are all related to his overall coup goal.
On June 17 2021 09:48 micronesia wrote: I once kind of banged into Joe Lieberman in a diner while coming around a corner. I guess I should be a bit more reckless when I walk.
had you properly shoulder checked Joe Lieberman, the world we live in would be vastly different, tsk tsk micro
Well it took a while, but he finally succumbed to his wounds...
A serial grifter who has done nothing but run grifts for his entire life launched another grift? I am shocked.
It being a bible isn't shocking, evangelists are probably (one of) his biggest base. The real question is how you can be such a dumb evangelist that you think the living embodiment of the seven sins is your messiah.
I'd say something about religious people being gullible by definition but people would get offended.
I'm curious what version it is and how long before people quote from it at him.
Ahh, it's the King James Version, the one that even in my Christian conservative upbringing it was mostly brought out to demonstrate how the bible could be translated poorly.
On March 28 2024 08:44 Velr wrote: Has someone checked on the two corinthians in it?
My corinthians are the best corinthians you've ever seen. They're absolutely terrific like you wouldn't believe. The other day, I went to the Pope and I was like "Hey Pope - other people call him Father but I call him Pope - have you ever seen corinthians like this before?" and he says "I thought only Jesus could have corinthians that big." Can you believe it? I asked the Pope if he and Jesus were going to vote for me in November and he told me it's illegal but I know what he really meant. He meant that we should make. america. great. again. And so I'm declaring that Jesus is going to be my runningmate in 2024. Obamna won't have a chance against us. MAGA is now Make. America. Godly. Again. The bumper stickers are fifty dollars on your way out.
There is really nothing left to say about this. There are people who think this is a man who is respected worldwide for his keen intellect and then there are those who live in reality.
Tim Pool and other conservatives are trying to call Jon Stewart a hypocrite for criticizing Trump's illegal behavior surrounding overvaluing/undervaluing properties, when Jon Stewart sold his own property for a lot of money.
Donald Trump overvalued his properties to secure loans that he wasn't legally eligible for, and then he undervalued his properties to commit tax fraud... vs. Jon Stewart's property sold for more than its appraised value due to a competitive housing market. These are not the same.
Can't believe you're listening to Tim Pool to be honest.
Also, @Kwark, even though people live in reality, ~half of the population doesn't. What do you do about that? Reality checking them into it really doesn't help, it only entrenches them further in their beliefs.
EPT
either way I guess no need speculate on the (forcefully) departed![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/zaae2vfk1yqc1.png)
