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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On March 26 2023 02:39 ChristianS wrote: Hahahahaha I’m just imagining Vegas odds on a Rand Paul nomination with Trump as VP. I’m having trouble imagining something Trump would hate more Ted Cruz with a Trump VP or Mike Pence with a Trump VP. I think either of these would put Trump on suicide watch EDIT: Oh and let's not forget Jeb! Really, anyone Trump humiliated on his way to his first term + him as VP would devastate the man. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slydie
2014 Posts
On March 26 2023 02:49 JimmiC wrote: I think that if Trump wins the nomination it will be full leaning into the MAGA populism of non stop unintelligent outrage. The times of pretending that the GOP is somehow using trump for their goals of the supreme court and so on have past. It ill be him and MTG or Boebart. And if they puts odd's on it I would probably throw 50 bucks that there will be some sort of sorted affair between Trump and whoever he picks. I am mad at the GOP Senate for not preventing Trump from running again when they had the chance. Trump is cancer for the party and the country, and they knew if perfectly well, but still chickened out because... it is wise to be partisan?? It is scary to see the "rigged" mentality spreading to other areas in the US. Many claimed the NFL is "scripted" and the Superbowl was "rigged" because their team lost or some ref-call they disagreed with🙄 | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22658 Posts
On March 26 2023 05:40 Slydie wrote: They chickened out because without the crazy Trump supporters they cannot win elections in all but the deepest of red states.I am mad at the GOP Senate for not preventing Trump from running again when they had the chance. Trump is cancer for the party and the country, and they knew if perfectly well, but still chickened out because... it is wise to be partisan?? It is scary to see the "rigged" mentality spreading to other areas in the US. Many claimed the NFL is "scripted" and the Superbowl was "rigged" because their team lost or some ref-call they disagreed with🙄 And before you say that losing the moderates as a result of sticking with Trump lost them the mid-terms. Yes, it probably did. That is the bind the Republicans find themselves in. That is why they are publicly backing Trump while behind the scenes hoping to god he gets arrest and jailed so they can get rid of him without having to publicly denounce him. As we saw with the House speaker election and its aftermath. The crazies are in charge of the GOP. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On March 26 2023 09:55 JimmiC wrote: The could if the shifted a little left instead of hard right. If they shifted a little left Democrats still wouldn't go and vote for them in the primaries, that's the problem. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
Electability only becomes a concern in the primary if your primary voters think the race is likely to be lost due to electability. By becoming more centrist, you won't attract independents or cross party votes in the primary, because the independents and voters from the other party don't have the right to vote in your primary to begin with. So that is not something that is encouraged by your political system. | ||
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JimmiC
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gobbledydook
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22658 Posts
On March 27 2023 10:54 JimmiC wrote: Because there are more moderate Democrats then progressives. Unlike the Republican party where the far-right outnumbers the moderates.The Dems basically exclusively have moderates make it through, generally so do the Reps so Im not sure that arguement works. | ||
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Slydie
2014 Posts
On March 27 2023 17:21 Gorsameth wrote: Because there are more moderate Democrats then progressives. Unlike the Republican party where the far-right outnumbers the moderates. Do you have a source for that? Being more vocal and visible does not necessarily mean there are more of them. In the end, the GOP needs to beat the Democrats, and MAGA candidates took a beating last mid-terms, so there are forces in the opposite direction too. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22658 Posts
On March 27 2023 20:59 Slydie wrote: I would say the fact that the GOP leadership doesn't want MAGA crazies to get through the primary but they keep doing so anyway would indicate that the crazy outnumber the sane.Do you have a source for that? Being more vocal and visible does not necessarily mean there are more of them. In the end, the GOP needs to beat the Democrats, and MAGA candidates took a beating last mid-terms, so there are forces in the opposite direction too. There are certainly forces in the opposite direction in the GOP who want a more moderate and sane party but I have seen no evidence at all of them actually getting anywhere with that. Just saying that the MAGA candidates are causing them to lose doesn't mean they can change the course of the party. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10964 Posts
On March 27 2023 20:59 Slydie wrote: Do you have a source for that? Being more vocal and visible does not necessarily mean there are more of them. In the end, the GOP needs to beat the Democrats, and MAGA candidates took a beating last mid-terms, so there are forces in the opposite direction too. That they voted for Trump isn't enough of a source for that? | ||
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Slydie
2014 Posts
On March 27 2023 21:44 Velr wrote: That they voted for Trump isn't enough of a source for that? No. Many will vote whoever is Dem/GoP almost no matter what, often because of things like abortion, taxes and gun control. Presidental elextiono say little about what the party looks like internally. All recent Dem presidents have been centre-right too, but they should be, as there is no alternative to the left of them. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22658 Posts
On March 28 2023 00:03 Slydie wrote: The crazies are all over Congress. Held the speaker position hostage, got a whole bunch of concessions and committee seats and Marjorie Taylor Greene of all people is temporary speaker of the House.No. Many will vote whoever is Dem/GoP almost no matter what, often because of things like abortion, taxes and gun control. Presidental elextiono say little about what the party looks like internally. All recent Dem presidents have been centre-right too, but they should be, as there is no alternative to the left of them. You can't pretend the MAGA crowd don't hold significant power within the GOP. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
On March 28 2023 00:03 Slydie wrote: No. Many will vote whoever is Dem/GoP almost no matter what, often because of things like abortion, taxes and gun control. Presidental elextiono say little about what the party looks like internally. All recent Dem presidents have been centre-right too, but they should be, as there is no alternative to the left of them. I'm just going to assume that he was insinuating that they voted for him in the primary, where the base of a party has an outsize influence. Trump didn't just win the primary he ran away from it from the beginning. | ||
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