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On March 28 2023 04:08 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2023 00:03 Slydie wrote:On March 27 2023 21:44 Velr wrote:On March 27 2023 20:59 Slydie wrote:On March 27 2023 17:21 Gorsameth wrote:On March 27 2023 10:54 JimmiC wrote:
The Dems basically exclusively have moderates make it through, generally so do the Reps so Im not sure that arguement works. Because there are more moderate Democrats then progressives. Unlike the Republican party where the far-right outnumbers the moderates. Do you have a source for that? Being more vocal and visible does not necessarily mean there are more of them. In the end, the GOP needs to beat the Democrats, and MAGA candidates took a beating last mid-terms, so there are forces in the opposite direction too. That they voted for Trump isn't enough of a source for that? No. Many will vote whoever is Dem/GoP almost no matter what, often because of things like abortion, taxes and gun control. Presidental elextiono say little about what the party looks like internally. All recent Dem presidents have been centre-right too, but they should be, as there is no alternative to the left of them. I'm just going to assume that he was insinuating that they voted for him in the primary, where the base of a party has an outsize influence. Trump didn't just win the primary he ran away from it from the beginning.
He also won the general election against basically the most conservative democrat possible. If there was ever a chance for a moderate republican voter to decide that they don't want the crazy in the republican party, it was that election. Which i think is another clear indicator that there are indeed a lot of insane hard-right people among the republican voters.
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On March 28 2023 05:08 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2023 04:08 Sermokala wrote:On March 28 2023 00:03 Slydie wrote:On March 27 2023 21:44 Velr wrote:On March 27 2023 20:59 Slydie wrote:On March 27 2023 17:21 Gorsameth wrote:On March 27 2023 10:54 JimmiC wrote:
The Dems basically exclusively have moderates make it through, generally so do the Reps so Im not sure that arguement works. Because there are more moderate Democrats then progressives. Unlike the Republican party where the far-right outnumbers the moderates. Do you have a source for that? Being more vocal and visible does not necessarily mean there are more of them. In the end, the GOP needs to beat the Democrats, and MAGA candidates took a beating last mid-terms, so there are forces in the opposite direction too. That they voted for Trump isn't enough of a source for that? No. Many will vote whoever is Dem/GoP almost no matter what, often because of things like abortion, taxes and gun control. Presidental elextiono say little about what the party looks like internally. All recent Dem presidents have been centre-right too, but they should be, as there is no alternative to the left of them. I'm just going to assume that he was insinuating that they voted for him in the primary, where the base of a party has an outsize influence. Trump didn't just win the primary he ran away from it from the beginning. He also won the general election against basically the most conservative democrat possible. If there was ever a chance for a moderate republican voter to decide that they don't want the crazy in the republican party, it was that election. Which i think is another clear indicator that there are indeed a lot of insane hard-right people among the republican voters.
You still haven't posted any number, and the mid-terms tell a story.
US elections ARE rigged, just not the way the MAGA crowd wants them to be. Hillary lost because she did not play the system well enough. Luckily, they learned for Biden.
She might be a conservative Democrat, but she is also:
-the establishment
-a liberal centrist
-a globalist
-a woman
That does not sound like someone who will capture many GOP voters to me, and Trump sold himself well.
A Sanders vs. Trump election would have been much more interesting. Voters who feel mistreated by the system can actually shift their protest vote from hard left to hard right and back.
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I think another thing to note is that Sanders pulled the Democrats kicking and screaming a little furthe to the left in 2016. While he didn't win the primary, many of his positions became mainstream party positions and by 2020 anyone looking to run for the Presidency as a Democrat had to move a little to the left. Hillary had to do it during the primaries which probably made her look dishonest to a not insignificant portion of the voting block and could have cost her some votes in key states. There are a lot of issues with Hillary's 2016 run that cost her the election and I think Biden managed to dodge a few of them by running in 2020 instead.
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2016 was so close that any of a dozen issues falling slightly differently could have swung the outcome. And while Hillary on the surface might have some appeal to the Republican moderates over Trump, a lot probably still lied to themselves that he would not be as bat shit insane as he turned out to be. I feel fairly confident in saying that 2020 Trump would lose to 2016 Hillary.
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On March 28 2023 06:20 StasisField wrote:
I think another thing to note is that Sanders pulled the Democrats kicking and screaming a little furthe to the left in 2016. While he didn't win the primary, many of his positions became mainstream party positions and by 2020 anyone looking to run for the Presidency as a Democrat had to move a little to the left. Hillary had to do it during the primaries which probably made her look dishonest to a not insignificant portion of the voting block and could have cost her some votes in key states. There are a lot of issues with Hillary's 2016 run that cost her the election and I think Biden managed to dodge a few of them by running in 2020 instead.
Agreed, 2016 was proof that progressives throwing a huge fit is extremely beneficial and worthwhile. $15/hr min wage was strongly shamed within the party until Bernie made his case. Getting in line is not how you make things happen.
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Just to check, does Trump getting elected count as one of the worthwhile benefits? Or was that somehow unrelated?
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On March 28 2023 08:58 micronesia wrote:
Just to check, does Trump getting elected count as one of the worthwhile benefits? Or was that somehow unrelated?
Hillary losing is on Hillary
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On March 28 2023 08:32 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2023 06:20 StasisField wrote:
I think another thing to note is that Sanders pulled the Democrats kicking and screaming a little furthe to the left in 2016. While he didn't win the primary, many of his positions became mainstream party positions and by 2020 anyone looking to run for the Presidency as a Democrat had to move a little to the left. Hillary had to do it during the primaries which probably made her look dishonest to a not insignificant portion of the voting block and could have cost her some votes in key states. There are a lot of issues with Hillary's 2016 run that cost her the election and I think Biden managed to dodge a few of them by running in 2020 instead. Agreed, 2016 was proof that progressives throwing a huge fit is extremely beneficial and worthwhile. $15/hr min wage was strongly shamed within the party until Bernie made his case. Getting in line is not how you make things happen.
Republicans have proven this. The nutty Republicans arent the majority of the party, but Republicans understand they need all of their factions on board and the nutty faction just so happens to be willing to say Fuck You Give Me What I Want, so they get what they want because the risk of losing them is too great for the Republicans since theyre far more invested in making sure they win at all costs.
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Trump's been indicted by a Manhattan grand jury related to the hush money payments to Stormy Daniels according to the NYT. Buckle up for some fun times ahead, folks. First ex-president to face criminal charges. He's also facing investigations from Fulton County and over Jan. 6, so he's got even more potential legal troubles ahead.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news
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On March 31 2023 06:39 PhoenixVoid wrote:Trump's been indicted by a Manhattan grand jury related to the hush money payments to Stormy Daniels according to the NYT. Buckle up for some fun times ahead, folks. First ex-president to face criminal charges. He's also facing investigations from Fulton County and over Jan. 6, so he's got even more potential legal troubles ahead. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news
Don't forget the documents case and the other civil and criminal cases related to his properties in New York and the civil rape case in New York and some other ones I'm probably forgetting
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Get him in jail, and continue to prosecute him from there on everything else.
The rest of his life should be courtroom and prison.
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On March 31 2023 09:40 Lmui wrote:
Get him in jail, and continue to prosecute him from there on everything else.
The rest of his life should be courtroom and prison.
Likelihood of this notwithstanding, it’s certainly an appealing prospect
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On March 28 2023 09:10 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2023 08:58 micronesia wrote:
Just to check, does Trump getting elected count as one of the worthwhile benefits? Or was that somehow unrelated? Hillary losing is on Hillary
Daily reminder that Hillary got more votes but the republican votes were worth more because states.
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According to Trump:
Trump has repeatedly denied wrongdoing with regard to the payments made to Daniels and McDougal, and has repeatedly said the payments were "not a campaign violation," but rather a "simple private transaction."
Essentially, he claims he did pay the money but it was not illegal to do it.
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How can it be proven that the payment was done with campaign funds instead of personal funds?
I assume it's not as simple as looking at which bank account sent the payment.
Seems hard to prove but I'm a complete noob on this issue, hopefully other posters have some good insight.
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On March 31 2023 12:51 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2023 09:10 StasisField wrote:On March 28 2023 08:58 micronesia wrote:
Just to check, does Trump getting elected count as one of the worthwhile benefits? Or was that somehow unrelated? Hillary losing is on Hillary Daily reminder that Hillary got more votes but the republican votes were worth more because states.
Our life time reminder. That is the way your republic is set up.
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On March 31 2023 18:46 Taelshin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2023 12:51 KwarK wrote:On March 28 2023 09:10 StasisField wrote:On March 28 2023 08:58 micronesia wrote:
Just to check, does Trump getting elected count as one of the worthwhile benefits? Or was that somehow unrelated? Hillary losing is on Hillary Daily reminder that Hillary got more votes but the republican votes were worth more because states. Our life time reminder. That is the way your republic is set up.
Yes but people consistently imply she lost because she lost the vote and not because of second place gets the job weirdness.
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On March 31 2023 17:10 Laurens wrote:
How can it be proven that the payment was done with campaign funds instead of personal funds?
I assume it's not as simple as looking at which bank account sent the payment.
Seems hard to prove but I'm a complete noob on this issue, hopefully other posters have some good insight.
CPA here. You account for these things. Super easy to prove, it’s either on the general ledger or it’s not. Given that Cohen is already in jail for his part in this and given that they’re going ahead it’s on the general ledger.
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On March 31 2023 19:06 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2023 18:46 Taelshin wrote:On March 31 2023 12:51 KwarK wrote:On March 28 2023 09:10 StasisField wrote:On March 28 2023 08:58 micronesia wrote:
Just to check, does Trump getting elected count as one of the worthwhile benefits? Or was that somehow unrelated? Hillary losing is on Hillary Daily reminder that Hillary got more votes but the republican votes were worth more because states. Our life time reminder. That is the way your republic is set up. Yes but people consistently imply she lost because she lost the vote and not because of second place gets the job weirdness.
No, People like to reinforce a stereotype that the only reason Hillary lost was the system. She lost because she was terrible.
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