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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22704 Posts
On August 01 2022 05:18 JimmiC wrote: If it could actually win, why is it stupid?If this ticket happened it woukd stupider than a mockumentry. The scary part is it could actually win, what a frightening a time we live in! Trump with MTG. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-says-she-143420938.html | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46706 Posts
On August 01 2022 05:24 Gorsameth wrote: If it could actually win, why is it stupid? I assume that JimmiC was speaking strictly in terms of collective IQ points, between Trump and MTG. MTG as vice president makes me wish that Sarah Palin was still around. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Decades of gaining control of state legislatures and they have enough to get a Constitutional Convention going if all of them (34) play along. More reason for Democrats to go really really fucking hard and get it together for midterms. The falling gas prices is a very good start, but they need to do more and do it hard and publicly and without serious visible compromises. These midterms will require Democrats to make themselves look firmly good or their Prop Up The Psychopaths strategy will wind up going very poorly for everyone, if we’re very unlucky even Constitutional Convention level poorly. https://www.businessinsider.com/constitutional-convention-conservatives-republicans-constitution-supreme-court-2022-7 | ||
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Simberto
Germany12086 Posts
On August 02 2022 04:59 Zambrah wrote: Republicans may be planning a Constitutional Convention to fuck us over with a permanence that dwarfs even the Supreme Courts brand of fuckery. Decades of gaining control of state legislatures and they have enough to get a Constitutional Convention going if all of them (34) play along. More reason for Democrats to go really really fucking hard and get it together for midterms. The falling gas prices is a very good start, but they need to do more and do it hard and publicly and without serious visible compromises. These midterms will require Democrats to make themselves look firmly good or their Prop Up The Psychopaths strategy will wind up going very poorly for everyone, if we’re very unlucky even Constitutional Convention level poorly. https://www.businessinsider.com/constitutional-convention-conservatives-republicans-constitution-supreme-court-2022-7 That is fucking scary. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9256 Posts
Eh, if you read between the lines you'll find that their bar for submitting changes for ratification is higher than the bar for actually passing changes almost anywhere else on the planet. If they get 3/4 states to ratify some bullshit, there's no room for complaints about process or democracy to be had. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On August 01 2022 05:18 JimmiC wrote: If this ticket happened it woukd stupider than a mockumentry. The scary part is it could actually win, what a frightening a time we live in! Trump with MTG. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-says-she-143420938.html Like 99% of mtg actions, this is probably just to stimulate her campaign funds and nothing else All talk no substance | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
As scary as the idea is, I think it's more of a fearmongering clickbait piece than anything. Getting 34 states to agree to this, and then getting 38 states to agree to the changes, simply isn't possible in any forseeable political climate. This would require multiple reliably blue states to become notably conservative. There are already 17 states where there's no reasonable way you could see Republicans taking control of the entire government (or any part of it) with another 6 that are swing states and regularly stop Republicans from controlling all parts of the government. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32761 Posts
Now, don't expect to extrapolate too far into the midterms or expect the Democrats to prevail in November. A ballot initiative is very different from choosing elected officials where more than just abortion is at stake. But I do believe this shows that abortion is very much an issue people are paying attention to going into the midterms and complete abortion bans are not exactly a winning issue. Some interesting data points to draw so far. | ||
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Introvert
United States5093 Posts
but no, for the most part it isn't going to portend anything for congressional races. in other news greitens lost in MO and one of the reps the democrats were trying to beat by funding his primary opponent is maybe going to win too lol. not bad, though I expect the AZ results to be less good. Masters should be fine but Lake is yikes. edit 2: the democrats who who poured money into the congressional race may actually win this one. Now they can run against the guy as a "danger to democracy." it's very cute. oh well | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
So you get results like 70% of people voted for a candidate that opposes abortion, for example. Even if you disagree with that, it’s only a minor factor influencing your vote. However when you are asked specifically about one issue, often times the party allegiance goes away. You are no longer asked to support your tribe, you are being asked a question about a specific issue and it gets less political. Hence the difference in the result here. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22704 Posts
On August 03 2022 11:11 PhoenixVoid wrote: Anyone else expect Republicans to quickly forget about 'state rights' if this happens more?In what may be the closest thing to a litmus test for how the Roe v. Wade overturn will carry political consequences, the Kansas ballot proposition to amend the state constitution to remove abortion as a right appears to have failed. This was anything but a low turnout ballot initiative either. Wasserman expects it to fail by double digits, which he believes may be a sign of how unpopular the SCOTUS decision was and carries some electoral heft. Remember, this is Kansas, not exactly a liberal state by any means. Now, don't expect to extrapolate too far into the midterms or expect the Democrats to prevail in November. A ballot initiative is very different from choosing elected officials where more than just abortion is at stake. But I do believe this shows that abortion is very much an issue people are paying attention to going into the midterms and complete abortion bans are not exactly a winning issue. Some interesting data points to draw so far. https://twitter.com/lisadnews/status/1554638651434336256 | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On August 03 2022 18:33 Gorsameth wrote: Anyone else expect Republicans to quickly forget about 'state rights' if this happens more? Did anyone ever think the Republican party had any integrity? They'll do away with "State's Rights" the moment they get enough power to complete their agenda. They'll do the exact same thing to the filibuster. They have a bulletproof track record of doing this kind of stuff. | ||
KwarK
United States44448 Posts
On August 03 2022 23:19 Stratos_speAr wrote: Did anyone ever think the Republican party had any integrity? They'll do away with "State's Rights" the moment they get enough power to complete their agenda. They'll do the exact same thing to the filibuster. They have a bulletproof track record of doing this kind of stuff. Replying to +1. Kinda reminds me of how the southern states expanded federal power and limited states rights with the fugitive slave act then, when writing their own constitution for the CSA, limited the right of states to end slavery. When they control the Federal government they try to put the power there. When they control the State government they try to put the power there. They’re neutral on Federal vs State, what they care about is power. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On August 03 2022 18:33 Gorsameth wrote: Anyone else expect Republicans to quickly forget about 'state rights' if this happens more? After the ruling, prominent figures of the GOP came out and said the next step is a nationwide abortion ban passed through Congress, so they've already "forgotten". They're just waiting to control both chambers. They'll probably even ditch the filibuster to do it. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10990 Posts
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Taelshin
Canada420 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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