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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
June 30 2022 20:01 GMT
#74101
Biden has huge Buchanan energy in my opinion.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26285 Posts
June 30 2022 20:24 GMT
#74102
On July 01 2022 04:35 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2022 04:13 Starlightsun wrote:
I wonder if the anti-abortion movement will keep its cohesion even after they have to live with the realities of the ban? It's one thing to oppose abortion in principle, but I would think a lot of people are going to wish they still had the option when it comes down to it. We know the rich will circumvent the bans easily, but many others will find it difficult to muster up thousands of dollars and job leave to sneak out of state for an abortion.


i don’t think everyone has yet to perceive the realities of the ban. mothers having to go to some other state to get their abortion before starting their chemo is brutal. worse stories are going to be popping up.

it’s one thing to say ‘no exceptions for health or rape,’ it’s another thing to actually have to confront the news that their actions are actually devastating families. as predictable as it was.

I somewhat doubt these people care. It’s not like these kind of common/edge cases weren’t presented already.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1951 Posts
June 30 2022 21:01 GMT
#74103
"She wouldn't have been in this situation if she just
-worked harder to not be so poor
-hadn't slept around with so many men
-prayed more".

Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2645 Posts
June 30 2022 21:29 GMT
#74104
They won't change the minds of anyone willfully ignorant, but they do help clarify why it's a bad/dangerous change overall to those who aren't personally impacted.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 30 2022 21:46 GMT
#74105
They also convinced themselves that the body could "shut down" a pregnancy after a "legitimate rape". If they didn't have the occasional woman also spouting this nonsense I'd swear none of them have seen a woman naked before, they seem to love their sexual pseudo science.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7730 Posts
June 30 2022 21:49 GMT
#74106
On July 01 2022 04:48 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2022 04:35 brian wrote:
On July 01 2022 04:13 Starlightsun wrote:
I wonder if the anti-abortion movement will keep its cohesion even after they have to live with the realities of the ban? It's one thing to oppose abortion in principle, but I would think a lot of people are going to wish they still had the option when it comes down to it. We know the rich will circumvent the bans easily, but many others will find it difficult to muster up thousands of dollars and job leave to sneak out of state for an abortion.


i don’t think everyone has yet to perceive the realities of the ban. mothers having to go to some other state to get their abortion before starting their chemo is brutal. worse stories are going to be popping up.

it’s one thing to say ‘no exceptions for health or rape,’ it’s another thing to actually have to confront the news that their actions are actually devastating families. as predictable as it was.

Those mothers won't even be able to leave their states. Texas is already working to rule that if you're pregnant, you can't leave the state, and with SB8 already in effect, it's only a matter of time

Isn't there something in the constitution about freedom of movement for citizens? This is some distopian shit :/
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
June 30 2022 21:59 GMT
#74107
On July 01 2022 06:49 PoulsenB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2022 04:48 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 01 2022 04:35 brian wrote:
On July 01 2022 04:13 Starlightsun wrote:
I wonder if the anti-abortion movement will keep its cohesion even after they have to live with the realities of the ban? It's one thing to oppose abortion in principle, but I would think a lot of people are going to wish they still had the option when it comes down to it. We know the rich will circumvent the bans easily, but many others will find it difficult to muster up thousands of dollars and job leave to sneak out of state for an abortion.


i don’t think everyone has yet to perceive the realities of the ban. mothers having to go to some other state to get their abortion before starting their chemo is brutal. worse stories are going to be popping up.

it’s one thing to say ‘no exceptions for health or rape,’ it’s another thing to actually have to confront the news that their actions are actually devastating families. as predictable as it was.

Those mothers won't even be able to leave their states. Texas is already working to rule that if you're pregnant, you can't leave the state, and with SB8 already in effect, it's only a matter of time

Isn't there something in the constitution about freedom of movement for citizens? This is some distopian shit :/

There absolutely is, but the sad part is, they don't care. The states are knowingly passing unconstitutional laws and the Supreme Court ruled that it's allowed when they let SB8 stand.
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
June 30 2022 22:21 GMT
#74108
The two possibilities right now:

1) go unbelievably nuclear by Biden pointing out the Supreme Court doesn’t have the ability to enforce their rulings

2) pack the court

There’s nothing else really. The Supreme Court is essentially operating as a replacement for congress. Either Biden hands the country over (most likely) or he defends it. There’s nothing else on the table
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
June 30 2022 22:33 GMT
#74109
On July 01 2022 07:21 Mohdoo wrote:
The two possibilities right now:

1) go unbelievably nuclear by Biden pointing out the Supreme Court doesn’t have the ability to enforce their rulings

2) pack the court

There’s nothing else really. The Supreme Court is essentially operating as a replacement for congress. Either Biden hands the country over (most likely) or he defends it. There’s nothing else on the table

I've been wondering if Biden should go the Andrew Jackson route at this point.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
June 30 2022 22:46 GMT
#74110
On July 01 2022 07:33 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2022 07:21 Mohdoo wrote:
The two possibilities right now:

1) go unbelievably nuclear by Biden pointing out the Supreme Court doesn’t have the ability to enforce their rulings

2) pack the court

There’s nothing else really. The Supreme Court is essentially operating as a replacement for congress. Either Biden hands the country over (most likely) or he defends it. There’s nothing else on the table

I've been wondering if Biden should go the Andrew Jackson route at this point.

Can you elaborate on what you mean?
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
June 30 2022 23:00 GMT
#74111
On July 01 2022 07:46 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2022 07:33 StasisField wrote:
On July 01 2022 07:21 Mohdoo wrote:
The two possibilities right now:

1) go unbelievably nuclear by Biden pointing out the Supreme Court doesn’t have the ability to enforce their rulings

2) pack the court

There’s nothing else really. The Supreme Court is essentially operating as a replacement for congress. Either Biden hands the country over (most likely) or he defends it. There’s nothing else on the table

I've been wondering if Biden should go the Andrew Jackson route at this point.

Can you elaborate on what you mean?

The Supreme Court ruled Andrew Jackson's plan to relocate the Native Americans was unconstitutional and Andrew Jackson famously told them that they had no way of enforcing their ruling and relocated them anyway. The route the federal government took to relocate the Native Americans became known as The Trail of Tears due to the horrors the Natives suffered.

While this isn't exactly the best example, I still think we're reaching a point where the court's legitimacy needs to be challenged and Biden needs to ignore the Supreme Court's rulings.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
June 30 2022 23:06 GMT
#74112
So uh, looks like we've entered the collapse of American democracy speedrun any% now.

Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22103 Posts
June 30 2022 23:07 GMT
#74113
On July 01 2022 08:00 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2022 07:46 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 01 2022 07:33 StasisField wrote:
On July 01 2022 07:21 Mohdoo wrote:
The two possibilities right now:

1) go unbelievably nuclear by Biden pointing out the Supreme Court doesn’t have the ability to enforce their rulings

2) pack the court

There’s nothing else really. The Supreme Court is essentially operating as a replacement for congress. Either Biden hands the country over (most likely) or he defends it. There’s nothing else on the table

I've been wondering if Biden should go the Andrew Jackson route at this point.

Can you elaborate on what you mean?

The Supreme Court ruled Andrew Jackson's plan to relocate the Native Americans was unconstitutional and Andrew Jackson famously told them that they had no way of enforcing their ruling and relocated them anyway. The route the federal government took to relocate the Native Americans became known as The Trail of Tears due to the horrors the Natives suffered.

While this isn't exactly the best example, I still think we're reaching a point where the court's legitimacy needs to be challenged and Biden needs to ignore the Supreme Court's rulings.
You in theory might be able to do that with stuff like EPA, but for the abortion stuff there is nothing for Biden to ignore. The problem is the states are doing stuff, and Biden can't stop them from prosecuting people having or helping with abortions.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-30 23:52:51
June 30 2022 23:45 GMT
#74114
meh
I need to protect all your life you can enjoy the vibrant life of your battery
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
July 01 2022 00:27 GMT
#74115
On July 01 2022 08:06 plasmidghost wrote:
So uh, looks like we've entered the collapse of American democracy speedrun any% now.

https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1542620534306922497

Dude what LOL

“Court rules governor is not actually governor but instead something else”
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23665 Posts
July 01 2022 00:40 GMT
#74116
On July 01 2022 07:21 Mohdoo wrote:
The two possibilities right now:

1) go unbelievably nuclear by Biden pointing out the Supreme Court doesn’t have the ability to enforce their rulings

2) pack the court

There’s nothing else really. The Supreme Court is essentially operating as a replacement for congress. Either Biden hands the country over (most likely) or he defends it. There’s nothing else on the table


Unless he's going to try packing the court with an executive order, that ship's sailed.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 01 2022 00:59 GMT
#74117
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
July 01 2022 01:30 GMT
#74118
For all the “both parties are the same!!!” Folks I’d like to point out there’s a zero percent chance these recent major rulings would have happened if democrats appointed 3 judges instead of republicans
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 01 2022 01:34 GMT
#74119
Gotta hand it to Trump, he certainly fulfilled that major campaign promise of reshaping the courts for a generation. Far better than we expected he could do.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 01 2022 01:47 GMT
#74120
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