EPTIf SCOTUS gets even more politicized I wonder how long until we see assasinations of justices when one party vs the other is in power to push through like minded justices. Its not a far leap to make if theres the thought that the future of humanity is at stake due to climate change.
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Sadist
United States7242 Posts
If SCOTUS gets even more politicized I wonder how long until we see assasinations of justices when one party vs the other is in power to push through like minded justices. Its not a far leap to make if theres the thought that the future of humanity is at stake due to climate change. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On June 30 2022 23:54 WombaT wrote: Are we seriously going to end up requiring some kind of Underground Railroad equivalent for abortions? And a further gutting of the EPA seems on the table? Fucking fantastic few weeks eh? Most likely to both. I've seen so many people in blue states saying they're going to open up their homes or whatever for people needing an abortion and it's infuriating because they have no idea how to help and have instead ruined their chance of helping by publicly admitting what they want to do. As for the ruling, from what I can gather, it leaves open the possibility for not only further lawsuits against the EPA but any federal agency | ||
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FeatherPlanes
45 Posts
On June 30 2022 23:54 WombaT wrote: Are we seriously going to end up requiring some kind of Underground Railroad equivalent for abortions? And a further gutting of the EPA seems on the table? Fucking fantastic few weeks eh? Yes, Ireland is a good example of this. Women would produce fake UK addresses so they could get abortions in the UK. They'd also buy abortion pills from pro-choice anglosphere groups and try to smuggle the goods in since customs literally cannot check everything known to man. Some would try some random herbs and chemicals to induce an abortion. If you ask a woman what happened, they'd just say they had a miscarriage. Funnily enough, its the women who actually actively need to get an abortion for medical reasons that get screwed over the hardest since these religious based rules are so anti-science that they can't comprehend that some foetuses absolutely must get aborted unless you want women to die from sepsis. Ultimately, its the poor that suffer the most. People with access to the internet will find a way to get an abortion. These laws don't really prevent women who want to terminate their pregnancy for non-medical reasons from getting one, though its nice to know the US really wants to implement some sort of bounty system to combat this. Like we need to give the world another tool to harass people with, as seen in the several cases of miscarriage sufferers getting held by the police for having a miscarriage. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25460 Posts
On July 01 2022 00:03 FeatherPlanes wrote: Yes, Ireland is a good example of this. Women would produce fake UK addresses so they could get abortions in the UK. They'd also buy abortion pills from pro-choice anglosphere groups and try to smuggle the goods in since customs literally cannot check everything known to man. Some would try some random herbs and chemicals to induce an abortion. If you ask a woman what happened, they'd just say they had a miscarriage. Funnily enough, its the women who actually actively need to get an abortion for medical reasons that get screwed over the hardest since these religious based rules are so anti-science that they can't comprehend that some foetuses absolutely must get aborted unless you want women to die from sepsis. Ultimately, its the poor that suffer the most. People with access to the internet will find a way to get an abortion. These laws don't really prevent women who want to terminate their pregnancy for non-medical reasons from getting one, though its nice to know the US really wants to implement some sort of bounty system to combat this. Like we need to give the world another tool to harass people with, as seen in the several cases of miscarriage sufferers getting held by the police for having a miscarriage. 100% To add to that I find it inconceivable that with so-called ‘abortion bounties’ we’re not going to see many women prosecuted not just for abortions, but for the mere tragedy of having a natural miscarriage. I’m unfamiliar with the mechanics or how widespread such provisions may be but they sound a profoundly, profoundly dystopian proposition. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On July 01 2022 00:00 plasmidghost wrote: Most likely to both. I've seen so many people in blue states saying they're going to open up their homes or whatever for people needing an abortion and it's infuriating because they have no idea how to help and have instead ruined their chance of helping by publicly admitting what they want to do. How so? At worst it will precipitate some interstate crisis, and any "secret" interstate abortion program wouldn't be able to stay hidden for long anyway. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On July 01 2022 00:19 Sbrubbles wrote: How so? At worst it will precipitate some interstate crisis, and any "secret" interstate abortion program wouldn't be able to stay hidden for long anyway. Given how militant anti-abortion people are, I am gravely concerned that they will target the people openly advertising their willingness to help, resulting in far fewer people wanting to be part of it | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4730 Posts
On June 30 2022 23:56 Sadist wrote: Man twitter blows. When I click on that tweet and scroll down to "More tweets" its just straight up right wing nonsense repeated over and over. Kevin Sorbo, Boebert, MTG, Crowder.... I cannot imagine being bombarded with that shit constantly. We have no chance until we can sort out Social Media bullshit. If SCOTUS gets even more politicized I wonder how long until we see assasinations of justices when one party vs the other is in power to push through like minded justices. Its not a far leap to make if theres the thought that the future of humanity is at stake due to climate change. I also clicked that link and boy, oh boy, how much I agree with You... For most of those tweets, the only suitable response should be "You are a moron". It's terrifying. | ||
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FeatherPlanes
45 Posts
On July 01 2022 00:17 WombaT wrote: 100% To add to that I find it inconceivable that with so-called ‘abortion bounties’ we’re not going to see many women prosecuted not just for abortions, but for the mere tragedy of having a natural miscarriage. I’m unfamiliar with the mechanics or how widespread such provisions may be but they sound a profoundly, profoundly dystopian proposition. The Texas bounty system, even ignoring its relation to abortions, is the type of policy a sociopath introduces into law. The gist of it is that Texas is trying to deputize the public to report people who aid or abet an abortion. The public can sue anyone. They get $10,000 and legal fees covered if they win. If they lose, they're out of pocket when it comes to their legal fees but they don't have to cover the defendant's legal fees. So if I had a lot of money and I really hated my ex-girlfriend who lives in Texas, I could theoretically sue her because I "suspect" she drove a woman who suffered a miscarriage within 10 miles of an abortion clinic within a time frame where she was pregnant. Even if I'm living in Hawaii. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
They have been able to get away with it when failing to enact basic human rights like healthcare, but it's just obviously not going to be good enough to cover for people actively losing their bodily autonomy/voting/etc rights. | ||
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FeatherPlanes
45 Posts
On July 01 2022 00:26 GreenHorizons wrote: The typical Democrat strategy of empty promises and a full hopper of excuses just isn't enough to keep the illusion of US democracy alive anymore. They have been able to get away with it when failing to enact basic human rights like healthcare, but it's just obviously not going to be good enough to cover for people actively losing their bodily autonomy/voting/etc rights. The major problem is that I don't really think a lot of the Democratic Party is really that pro-choice. I know Joe Biden, being Catholic, is ambivalent towards the party's so-called support for abortion at best. I would imagine a large chunk of the party holds similar values and isn't really that bothered abortion is now illegal in multiple states. In the same way a lot of elected Republicans probably aren't that anti-abortion (the couple of Republicans who are speaking out are retiring lol), a lot of elected Democrats are probably pro-choice because a lot of them would get creamed by their constituents in a primary challenge. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On July 01 2022 00:30 FeatherPlanes wrote: The major problem is that I don't really think a lot of the Democratic Party is really that pro-choice. I know Joe Biden, being Catholic, is ambivalent towards the party's so-called support for abortion at best. I would imagine a large chunk of the party holds similar values and isn't really that bothered abortion is now illegal in multiple states. It's like that with many issues (healthcare, minimum wage, etc) though they're generally more tightlipped about it nowadays. EDIT: Democrats generally hold a lot of abhorrent positions that are only seen as acceptable in juxtaposition to a more horrific Republican alternative. People supporting them and their positions would also be viewed much like Republicans are if it weren't for persistent whataboutism pointing to more apparently deplorable Republicans | ||
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FeatherPlanes
45 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21703 Posts
On July 01 2022 00:17 plasmidghost wrote: So, at what point do we start considering the Democratic states seceding?Well this is going to be shockingly bad. The Supreme Court will most likely rule that any state can do what they want for elections, so the GOP will become permanently in power across the country https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1542520127681286144 | ||
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Simberto
Germany11519 Posts
On July 01 2022 00:45 Gorsameth wrote: So, at what point do we start considering the Democratic states seceding? Sadly, that seems to be about the only possible solution to that. Secede, let the republicans have their fascist theocracy in the states they control, ideally get some actual reforms going, and offer asylum to anyone fleeing the dystopian states of america. It is weird, but there seems to be no solution if so many people are just fucking insane in a democracy. Other democracies should view the US as a horror example of what you need to prevent. Having actual media and actual education for everyone seems to be what this is about. The US is in this shit because they have had decades to train an electorate of people who simply don't live in the real world anymore, but instead live in Fox World, which is far less fun than it should be. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25460 Posts
On July 01 2022 00:45 Gorsameth wrote: So, at what point do we start considering the Democratic states seceding? That will be an amazing about-turn if/when there’s any push for that. Decades of moaning about out of touch elites and extolling the virtues of ‘real Americans’ will flip immediately into patriotism and how dare these upstarts secede and the usual patriotic nonsense. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1944 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11519 Posts
On July 01 2022 01:10 Broetchenholer wrote: Just for my curiosity, is there any older reference to this bounty law in Texas? Did Texas just decide it was allowed to pay their citizens a bounty when they won a court case? And on what grounds are civilians allowed to sue other civilians without having suffered damages by them? Like, none of that makes any sense from a legal standpoint. It's the US, it doesn't have to make sense, as long as you fill the courts with the right people. | ||
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FeatherPlanes
45 Posts
On July 01 2022 01:10 Broetchenholer wrote: Just for my curiosity, is there any older reference to this bounty law in Texas? Did Texas just decide it was allowed to pay their citizens a bounty when they won a court case? And on what grounds are civilians allowed to sue other civilians without having suffered damages by them? Like, none of that makes any sense from a legal standpoint. SB8 deputizes the public, its not really that wildly different to the concept of citizen's arrest. If they win, they get $10,000 plus legal fees paid. They're essentially serving as agents of the state in this situation. Keep in mind, the defendant isn't the person suspected of getting an abortion but suspected of assisting in an abortion. The actual implications obviously are horrifying considering the plaintiff doesn't have to pay the defendant's legal fees if they lose and "suspect" could be literally be anyone from an actual doctor to some random Doordash worker who delivered pizza to the person suspected of getting an abortion. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
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