US Politics Mega-thread - Page 364

On June 28 2018 04:26 crms wrote:

really? I feel like I've heard so much commentary on a range of legal questions regarding the Mueller investigation likely being challenged and appealed etc.

On June 28 2018 02:34 ChristianS wrote:

Okay. Care to share what makes them hypocrites? I'm not a Never Trump conservative, obviously, but I know several

Conservatives spend at least several hundred million dollars a year on think-tanks, magazines, conferences, fellowships, and such, complaining about this, that, the other, and everything. And yet these same conservatives are, at root, keepers of the status quo. Oh, sure, they want some things to change. They want their pet ideas adopted—tax deductions for having more babies and the like. Many of them are even good ideas. But are any of them truly fundamental? Do they get to the heart of our problems?
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How have the last two decades worked out for you, personally? If you’re a member or fellow-traveler of the Davos class, chances are: pretty well. If you’re among the subspecies conservative intellectual or politician, you’ve accepted—perhaps not consciously, but unmistakably—your status on the roster of the Washington Generals of American politics. Your job is to show up and lose, but you are a necessary part of the show and you do get paid. To the extent that you are ever on the winning side of anything, it’s as sophists who help the Davoisie oligarchy rationalize open borders, lower wages, outsourcing, de-industrialization, trade giveaways, and endless, pointless, winless war.

On June 28 2018 04:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

nah, the republican party doesn't stand for a long list of "disgusting shit" like you say they do. I disagree with many of their policies and at the same time I realize that engaging in a maudlin rant won't result in meaningful discussion.

On June 28 2018 04:13 Introvert wrote:
For all of Kennedy's moderation over the years, this term and this decision speak well of him.

People thought it was getting to be late for this announcement, but with so many importsnt opinions coming out this year I thought he still might do it after waiting. Good on him.

On June 28 2018 04:36 zlefin wrote:

they actually kinda do. not completely ofc; but there's a substantial validity to it.
just because such a rant won't result in meaningful discussion doesn't mean it's wrong.
and it's been amply demonstrated that meaningful discussion isn't their plan anyways.

On June 28 2018 04:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

i don't think there is.
they are good enough at meaningful discussion to lead the Democrats in governors 33-16
the Republicans are a well oiled political machine.

On June 28 2018 04:38 xDaunt wrote:

Kennedy gets a bit of an unfairly bad rap. If you look at his decisions, he was fairly consistently libertarian in his approach -- generally siding with individual freedom/liberty over any other interest.

On June 28 2018 04:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

i don't think there is a long list of "disgusting shit" that is in their platform.

They are good enough at meaningful discussion to lead the Democrats in governors 33-16.

The Republicans are a well oiled political machine... and they're winning. The republicans are far more than donald trump. In fact, many republicans don't want him as their leader.

On June 28 2018 04:41 zlefin wrote:

that does not follow at all as an argument.
Just because they win doesn't mean they hold meaningful discussion.
It means they are a well oiled political machine; which is very different from having meaningful discussion.

it's also very clear that their mechanism of victory isn't based on meaningful discussion; and there's vast amounts of literature in the political science field to show that reasonable, meaningful discussion isn't the basis of how most people vote in general.

most of their terrible shit isn't expressly in their platform, but some of it is; and far more is proven by their wink and a nod patterns demonstrating so.

On June 28 2018 04:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

meangingful discussion is how you persuade voters.

On June 28 2018 04:46 Zambrah wrote:


Is it though? After the last election I feel more like stoking the populaces fear and insecurities is how you persuade voters. At least in the US.

On June 28 2018 04:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

meangingful discussion is how you persuade voters. Mike Harris and Bob Rae are two guys who won elections they had no business winning because they persuaded voters. Both guys were long shots to win at the start of their campaigns.

On June 28 2018 04:45 Plansix wrote:

There is no arguing with this line. The Republicans have been amazing at winning elections since Obama was elected. They have shitkicked the Democrats into political irrelevance and control the majority of the US government.

It is their inability to govern effectively that will likely be their downfall. This isn’t the 2007 financial crash where the Democrats take control so they can save the country from the crash and take the blame for doing it. When tax cut and the poor governance rural red states comes back to haunt them, there won’t be anyone to save them. And there won’t be black president to blame for everything.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz) said Monday that if Hillary Clinton is elected, Republicans will unite to block anyone she nominates to the Supreme Court.

Speaking on WPHT-AM radio's "Dom Giordano Program" in Philadelphia, McCain pledged to obstruct any Clinton Supreme Court nomination for the current or any future vacancy.

McCain said that's why it is so important that Republicans retain control of the Senate.

Given that two of the sitting justices are 80 or older, and another is 78, there is a strong possibility that the next president will have more than one high court opening to fill.