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On March 09 2022 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:
Rednecks are smart enough to know that rape is bad, I'd imagine.
They’re not. Depends if they think it triggers the left. Whatever they imagine triggers the left is automatically good to them.
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On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given.
There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people.
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United States43977 Posts
On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people.
They literally killed someone.
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On March 09 2022 12:48 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people. They literally killed someone.
And they were calling to hang Mike Pence.
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On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people.
"Let's have trial by combat" and "We fight, we fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not gonna have a country anymore." are definitely the words of peaceful folk.
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On March 09 2022 12:48 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people. They literally killed someone.
They "killed" someone in the sense that one officer died of a stroke several days later, and some others died of suicide several days later. But somehow I think you are using the word "killed" in the sense that that they directly and purposely killed someone onn the capitol grounds on Jan 6th, which would not be accurate.
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United States43977 Posts
On March 09 2022 15:04 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 12:48 KwarK wrote:On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people. They literally killed someone. They "killed" someone in the sense that one officer died of a stroke several days later, and some others died of suicide several days later. But somehow I think you are using the word "killed" in the sense that that they directly and purposely killed someone onn the capitol grounds on Jan 6th, which would not be accurate.
Sicknick reported being injured at the Capitol, was transported back to the police department and then taken from there to hospital. He died in that hospital the following day.
You’re presenting it as if he went home, went about his daily life, and some time later suffered from a stroke. Not how it happened.
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On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people.
Nice goalpost you moved there. I think we can all agree it wasn't a mob of Texas Chainsaw Massacrists. That was never the topic of discussion, though.
The question was never whether their intent was to go and murder congresspeople. The core argument has always been that they were there to "stop the steal" by any means necessary. It clearly included violence, and at least one person died in the attack. Just because they were an incompetent and unruly mob who was unable to actually reach the congresspeople they wanted to stop from "stealing the election" doesn't mean it wouldn't have ended in death if they had, even if all they wanted to do was talk. Being armed and violent and breaking into someone's workplace to "talk" is not likely to end with a talk, regardless of whether that workplace is Congress or the local Walmart. Would it have ended with dead Congresspeople? Maybe, maybe not. Let's just be glad we didn't have to find that out.
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On March 09 2022 13:12 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 12:48 KwarK wrote:On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people. They literally killed someone. And they were calling to hang Mike Pence.
They also set up a gallows with a noose to do their "Hang Mike Pence" chanting around. I'm sure they meant him no ill will despite many believing firmly he was a traitor responsible for installing an illegitimate president whose treason should be punished with death though!
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I know plenty of peaceful people who simply happen to have what they need to construct a gallows on hand. Happens all the time.
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I think it is true that a lot of people chant stuff and wouldn't actually go through with it given the chance.
However, mob dynamics are scary. Even a mob of usually completely nice people can do atrocious things. And we don't really know that all of those people in that mob wouldn't go through with stuff. You only need one or two who are serious about it in there, and the rest of the mob to stand bye. And it is really hard to stand against your own mob.
(Nonetheless, i probably have what would be needed to construct an impromptu gallows at my house. You really only need a piece of rope, a few pieces of wood and a few screws)
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Northern Ireland26771 Posts
On March 09 2022 23:31 NewSunshine wrote:
I know plenty of peaceful people who simply happen to have what they need to construct a gallows on hand. Happens all the time.
I actually did have to explain why I was in our legislative building with a load of cable ties once.
Incidentally a loyalist terrorist did also claim his attempt to storm the place, while armed was a performance art performance. It didn’t stand up too well in court.
I don’t have a huge innate problem with violent symbology, if there’s a certain distance. It really depends how it is bolted on to other things. There’s a difference between Joe Bloggs setting up a guillotine in his garden and doing it at a rather fervent rally that could, and did turn pretty ugly.
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Right. The issue is not that people fashioned a gallows, it's that they did so at the capital, while shouting and chanting that they wished to use it on people. I can debate whether Mike Pence is actually people, but that's beside the point.
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On March 09 2022 22:44 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 13:12 NewSunshine wrote:On March 09 2022 12:48 KwarK wrote:On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people. They literally killed someone. And they were calling to hang Mike Pence. They also set up a gallows with a noose to do their "Hang Mike Pence" chanting around. I'm sure they meant him no ill will despite many believing firmly he was a traitor responsible for installing an illegitimate president whose treason should be punished with death though!
Why on earth would Trump supporters think that Pence was a Trump traitor? For that to Trump happen, there would have had to Trump be some sort of Trump leader who consistently Trump accused Pence of not Trump supporting Trump Trump Trump Trump.
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Northern Ireland26771 Posts
On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people.
What was their goal? By what means were they hoping to achieve it?
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On March 10 2022 00:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 22:44 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 09 2022 13:12 NewSunshine wrote:On March 09 2022 12:48 KwarK wrote:On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people. They literally killed someone. And they were calling to hang Mike Pence. They also set up a gallows with a noose to do their "Hang Mike Pence" chanting around. I'm sure they meant him no ill will despite many believing firmly he was a traitor responsible for installing an illegitimate president whose treason should be punished with death though! Why on earth would Trump supporters think that Pence was a Trump traitor? For that to Trump happen, there would have had to Trump be some sort of Trump leader who consistently Trump accused Pence of not Trump supporting Trump Trump Trump Trump.
I think you may be slowly transforming into a smurf.
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A Smurf that happens to look like an Oompa Loompa?
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On March 09 2022 16:12 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people. The question was never whether their intent was to go and murder congresspeople.
The post I originally responded to pretty much said exactly that. It's a common exaggeration about January 6th.
On March 09 2022 23:31 NewSunshine wrote:
I know plenty of peaceful people who simply happen to have what they need to construct a gallows on hand. Happens all the time.
Remember when some protestors built a guillotine and brought it to the front of Jeff Bezos's house? I'll bet they even chanted something about using it. But no one actually thought they intended to try to execute Bezos.
On March 10 2022 00:31 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people. What was their goal? By what means were they hoping to achieve it?
Probably to stop the proceedings by occupying the room, that type of thing.
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On March 10 2022 04:15 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 16:12 Acrofales wrote:On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people. The question was never whether their intent was to go and murder congresspeople. The post I originally responded to pretty much said exactly that. It's a common exaggeration about January 6th. Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 23:31 NewSunshine wrote:
I know plenty of peaceful people who simply happen to have what they need to construct a gallows on hand. Happens all the time. Remember when some protestors built a guillotine and brought it to the front of Jeff Bezos's house? I'll bet they even chanted something about using it. But no one actually thought they intended to try to execute Bezos. Show nested quote +On March 10 2022 00:31 WombaT wrote:On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people. What was their goal? By what means were they hoping to achieve it? Probably to stop the proceedings by occupying the room, that type of thing.
We did it guys, we got doc to admit that they were there to disrupt proceedings of the government by force and occupy the capitol building to do so.
Now we just got to get him to admit the why they were there and what caused them to do what they did.
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On March 10 2022 04:15 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 16:12 Acrofales wrote:On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people. The question was never whether their intent was to go and murder congresspeople. The post I originally responded to pretty much said exactly that. It's a common exaggeration about January 6th. Show nested quote +On March 09 2022 23:31 NewSunshine wrote:
I know plenty of peaceful people who simply happen to have what they need to construct a gallows on hand. Happens all the time. Remember when some protestors built a guillotine and brought it to the front of Jeff Bezos's house? I'll bet they even chanted something about using it. But no one actually thought they intended to try to execute Bezos. Show nested quote +On March 10 2022 00:31 WombaT wrote:On March 09 2022 12:39 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 09 2022 10:42 Mohdoo wrote:On March 08 2022 15:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 08 2022 13:35 Severedevil wrote:
The people calling to kill government officials while hunting for government officials where the government officials work and equipped with weapons with which to kill the government officials would never ever kill government officials, don't be ridiculous. It's easy to make an argument when you exaggerate every aspect of the facts. All you are actually saying is that you strongly disagree with me. I'm just saying that when there's a crowd of a couple thousand and it's estimated by NPR that 3 dozen had weapons, but mostly makeshift blunt objects, no guns, no knives, etc, that crowd did set out with the intent to hunt and kill people. Let's examine how doc chose to respond to this situation, 1) Pretends facts are being exaggerated, essentially rejecting well documented reality. 2) Presupposes that the facts being discussed are a matter of disagreement, that it is just a matter of looking through a different lens, rather than documented reality. 3) Pretends what determines if bad people were present is the % of them, not the absolute value. In the end, it is worth pointing out that he has essentially not conceded a single point throughout this entire conversation. It has been long winded justifications for rejecting the realities that all of us are taking as a given. There has definitely been exaggeration of the facts on this site and elsewhere. The Jan 6th mob did not consist of bloodthirsty head choppers. That is my limited claim although it may help to clarify, the personally I was originally responding to basically said that the mob was there with intent to kill politicians, that was their goal and it's a certainty they would have slaughtered politicians if they came into contact. All I'm saying is that the crowd's goal was not to kill people and commit atrocities. Now, was there a risk that people would die? Yes that risk was above zero. But it is an exaggeration to say that the crowd was there to kill people. What was their goal? By what means were they hoping to achieve it? Probably to stop the proceedings by occupying the room, that type of thing.
I bet you it would've hit a little differently if those same people were attacking Bezos' family, brandishing weapons including firearms, trying to break into his house with said weapons, and then assaulting the police officers who intervened. I don't remember the particulars, but did they do any or all of the above to Bezos?
You know what, it's really just funny how obviously low rent and bad faith your arguments have been, I'm not even trying to convince you that your arguments are garbage. Whether any of this sinks in is on you. I'm really just trying to keep anyone else from reading and thinking maybe you're onto something.
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