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On February 04 2022 04:09 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2022 03:28 WombaT wrote:On February 04 2022 03:06 Husyelt wrote:On February 04 2022 02:33 Silvanel wrote:On February 04 2022 00:19 JimmiC wrote:
I always find the affair thing strange in the sense that I would think conservative or religious partys wpuld be super harsh about it but they tend actually to be very forgiving of their own people who do it, not the others but their own there is usually a lot of tears and blah blah then its forgotten about. Trump was an odd case because he never apologized, or denied and his religious supporters just ignored that he was having multiple affairs with porn stars with a pregant wife and paying him off. He appears to be a special case in many ways. Recently, there emerged sort of scandal in Poland. It turns out that two members of superconservative (Kremlin backed) group of influence, which fights abortion, promote hardcore Catholicism and recently proposed to ban divorces, had an affair. Both the woman and man were married and both are now getting divorce. Normally, it wouldn't be an issue. But the fact that they pretended to be all holy and just a few weeks ago advocated against divorces is hilarious. It also shows the true colors of conservatives. "Rules are for everyone but us. When it comes to ourselves, there are always mitigating circumstances". I am sure their backers and believers will forgive them in no time. They can get forgiven every week with communion. Tender mercies. What about us poor Protestants what do we do? Worse for you, i think you have to actually regret the bad stuff you did to be forgiven.
So do Catholics? And genuinely try to make up for the damage you may have caused.
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On February 04 2022 05:06 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2022 04:09 Simberto wrote:On February 04 2022 03:28 WombaT wrote:On February 04 2022 03:06 Husyelt wrote:On February 04 2022 02:33 Silvanel wrote:On February 04 2022 00:19 JimmiC wrote:
I always find the affair thing strange in the sense that I would think conservative or religious partys wpuld be super harsh about it but they tend actually to be very forgiving of their own people who do it, not the others but their own there is usually a lot of tears and blah blah then its forgotten about. Trump was an odd case because he never apologized, or denied and his religious supporters just ignored that he was having multiple affairs with porn stars with a pregant wife and paying him off. He appears to be a special case in many ways. Recently, there emerged sort of scandal in Poland. It turns out that two members of superconservative (Kremlin backed) group of influence, which fights abortion, promote hardcore Catholicism and recently proposed to ban divorces, had an affair. Both the woman and man were married and both are now getting divorce. Normally, it wouldn't be an issue. But the fact that they pretended to be all holy and just a few weeks ago advocated against divorces is hilarious. It also shows the true colors of conservatives. "Rules are for everyone but us. When it comes to ourselves, there are always mitigating circumstances". I am sure their backers and believers will forgive them in no time. They can get forgiven every week with communion. Tender mercies. What about us poor Protestants what do we do? Worse for you, i think you have to actually regret the bad stuff you did to be forgiven. So do Catholics? And genuinely try to make up for the damage you may have caused.
I thought catholics mostly just have to tell the priest?
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On February 04 2022 04:09 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2022 03:28 WombaT wrote:On February 04 2022 03:06 Husyelt wrote:On February 04 2022 02:33 Silvanel wrote:On February 04 2022 00:19 JimmiC wrote:
I always find the affair thing strange in the sense that I would think conservative or religious partys wpuld be super harsh about it but they tend actually to be very forgiving of their own people who do it, not the others but their own there is usually a lot of tears and blah blah then its forgotten about. Trump was an odd case because he never apologized, or denied and his religious supporters just ignored that he was having multiple affairs with porn stars with a pregant wife and paying him off. He appears to be a special case in many ways. Recently, there emerged sort of scandal in Poland. It turns out that two members of superconservative (Kremlin backed) group of influence, which fights abortion, promote hardcore Catholicism and recently proposed to ban divorces, had an affair. Both the woman and man were married and both are now getting divorce. Normally, it wouldn't be an issue. But the fact that they pretended to be all holy and just a few weeks ago advocated against divorces is hilarious. It also shows the true colors of conservatives. "Rules are for everyone but us. When it comes to ourselves, there are always mitigating circumstances". I am sure their backers and believers will forgive them in no time. They can get forgiven every week with communion. Tender mercies. What about us poor Protestants what do we do? Worse for you, i think you have to actually regret the bad stuff you did to be forgiven.
True, but their rules offer get out of jail free card even if on deathbed. You just have to accept Kellhus as your savior, like that dude on the Cross / Circumfix and then bingo. So technically they don’t have to regret anything until the end. At least that’s what Newt Gingrich told me.
I think Protestants can take Catholic communion as well if they are near death. Not sure about the Eastern Orthodox.
Edit: holy hell the tech* stock market tumbled
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On February 04 2022 06:13 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2022 04:09 Simberto wrote:On February 04 2022 03:28 WombaT wrote:On February 04 2022 03:06 Husyelt wrote:On February 04 2022 02:33 Silvanel wrote:On February 04 2022 00:19 JimmiC wrote:
I always find the affair thing strange in the sense that I would think conservative or religious partys wpuld be super harsh about it but they tend actually to be very forgiving of their own people who do it, not the others but their own there is usually a lot of tears and blah blah then its forgotten about. Trump was an odd case because he never apologized, or denied and his religious supporters just ignored that he was having multiple affairs with porn stars with a pregant wife and paying him off. He appears to be a special case in many ways. Recently, there emerged sort of scandal in Poland. It turns out that two members of superconservative (Kremlin backed) group of influence, which fights abortion, promote hardcore Catholicism and recently proposed to ban divorces, had an affair. Both the woman and man were married and both are now getting divorce. Normally, it wouldn't be an issue. But the fact that they pretended to be all holy and just a few weeks ago advocated against divorces is hilarious. It also shows the true colors of conservatives. "Rules are for everyone but us. When it comes to ourselves, there are always mitigating circumstances". I am sure their backers and believers will forgive them in no time. They can get forgiven every week with communion. Tender mercies. What about us poor Protestants what do we do? Worse for you, i think you have to actually regret the bad stuff you did to be forgiven. True, but their rules offer get out of jail free card even if on deathbed. You just have to accept Kellhus as your savior, like that dude on the Cross / Circumfix and then bingo. So technically they don’t have to regret anything until the end. At least that’s what Newt Gingrich told me. I think Protestants can take Catholic communion as well if they are near death. Not sure about the Eastern Orthodox. Edit: holy hell the tech* stock market tumbled
You mean facebook tumbled. There are a couple others down big, but most of the losses are just facebook considering how much weighting they have.
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I believe the trade off is us Protestants have to practically atone for specific sins whereas Catholics have to live with general guilt at all times
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On February 04 2022 06:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2022 06:13 Husyelt wrote:On February 04 2022 04:09 Simberto wrote:On February 04 2022 03:28 WombaT wrote:On February 04 2022 03:06 Husyelt wrote:On February 04 2022 02:33 Silvanel wrote:On February 04 2022 00:19 JimmiC wrote:
I always find the affair thing strange in the sense that I would think conservative or religious partys wpuld be super harsh about it but they tend actually to be very forgiving of their own people who do it, not the others but their own there is usually a lot of tears and blah blah then its forgotten about. Trump was an odd case because he never apologized, or denied and his religious supporters just ignored that he was having multiple affairs with porn stars with a pregant wife and paying him off. He appears to be a special case in many ways. Recently, there emerged sort of scandal in Poland. It turns out that two members of superconservative (Kremlin backed) group of influence, which fights abortion, promote hardcore Catholicism and recently proposed to ban divorces, had an affair. Both the woman and man were married and both are now getting divorce. Normally, it wouldn't be an issue. But the fact that they pretended to be all holy and just a few weeks ago advocated against divorces is hilarious. It also shows the true colors of conservatives. "Rules are for everyone but us. When it comes to ourselves, there are always mitigating circumstances". I am sure their backers and believers will forgive them in no time. They can get forgiven every week with communion. Tender mercies. What about us poor Protestants what do we do? Worse for you, i think you have to actually regret the bad stuff you did to be forgiven. True, but their rules offer get out of jail free card even if on deathbed. You just have to accept Kellhus as your savior, like that dude on the Cross / Circumfix and then bingo. So technically they don’t have to regret anything until the end. At least that’s what Newt Gingrich told me. I think Protestants can take Catholic communion as well if they are near death. Not sure about the Eastern Orthodox. Edit: holy hell the tech* stock market tumbled You mean facebook tumbled. There are a couple others down big, but most of the losses are just facebook considering how much weighting they have.
Correct, thank you. I didn’t zoom in on my phone every well. Most didn’t take took losses greater than 10% Meta and Spotify down 20 or more
Edit: @Wombat yes, Catholic guilt is real
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On February 03 2022 11:38 NewSunshine wrote:
I'm having a hard time with the idea that "civilizations collapse when its people obsess over gender" is a loose translation of "trans people are trying to destroy Western civilization". Seems to be pretty much exactly what JR is trying to say by having guests on who repeat it for him.
If you're tracing back to the collapse of Greco-Roman society, where are you tracing from, perhaps?
I was planning to ignore this post but now I really am a bit curious
I quoted Joe Rogan saying
"When [civilizations] start collapsing they become obsessed with gender."
Then 20 minutes later you pretended to be quoting the same thing but worded it this way:
"Civilizations collapse when its people obsess over gender."
These sentences have 2 different meanings. One implies a correlation between societies collapsing and obsessing over gender and the way you worded implies that obsessing over gender causes the collapse of civilization.
My question is this: It's not a very difficult quote to transcribe. It's a single sentence. Why did you have to reword it in a way that makes it sounds closer to your narrative that "Joe Rogan says trans people are trying to destroy Western civilization."
Did you do this intentionally? It seems like every time I engage with you this happens and then it becomes an annoying conversation over semantics, which is why I was initially going to ignore this post. But now I am not interested in the semantics as much on your take of why you were unable to transcribe a simple quote but still insisted on using quotation marks.
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I mean, if you think there's a substantive correlation between [becoming aware of and concerned with gender issues], and [the collapse of society as we know it], and you're going to quote Joe Rogan at us, I don't see a big difference which comes first. I don't see a big difference whether either one comes first, because I think it's absurd that someone thinks the two are inextricably bound, as demonstrated in the aeons of history. I cannot take that seriously. Apologies if that foils the debate.
You will genuinely find few people less interested in semantic arguments than me. I care a lot more about what the point is supposed to be. Victory points and technicalities can fuck off.
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On February 04 2022 04:20 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2022 20:35 EnDeR_ wrote:On February 03 2022 19:39 Dan HH wrote:On February 03 2022 13:22 Mohdoo wrote:On February 03 2022 11:17 gobbledydook wrote:
Joe Rogan is definitely an asshole but you know you aren't forced to listen to him right? Just don't listen to him if you are offended. His message reaches a huge audience and he is extremely influential on a lot of impressionable young people. Choosing not to listen to him does not prevent the damage he does. I'm certain that if we only consumed pre-sanitized information back when we were all impressionable teens, our critical thinking skills would be worse off now rather than better. Around 15 I was listening to a lot of Immortal Technique thinking it was the cleverest shit ever and yet I'm not a homophobic conspiracy theorist. Teenagers becoming radicalized and holding those views after they reach adulthood is a thing. For instance, if instead of Joe Rogan, we were talking about Islamic radicalisation through a podcast, would you still agree that it's fine and people should just use their critical thinking skills? A lot of older people who were never exposed to internet culture and were completely unprepared to deal with it were suddenly thrown into the fray by the explosion of smartphones and facebook and are now using lingo they don't understand, going to rallies of far-right parties, and harassing medical staff, poll workers, retail staff enforcing mandates, etc with memorized nonsensical lines. I'm much less worried about curious teens who start their journey into political, social and philosophical issues via pseudo-intellectual entertainment, than I am about oblivious older people unequipped to deal with a change in the kind of information that reaches them. I've talked with people from both of these groups, and only the ones with the former group can even be called conversations. As to your question, we don't even have to go as far as Islamic holy war for that, what Alex Jones has done to Sandy Hook victims is criminal, but do note that his impressionable audience spurred to action looks more like this or this. The young ones are fine, they are learning to navigate bullshit by necessity much earlier than we did. If there's anyone we need to shelter more, it's old fools that never did that.
If the goal is to enhance critical thinking across the population, there are better ways than exposing everyone to the online version of COVID-19.
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On February 03 2022 16:36 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2022 10:27 Introvert wrote:
"Cancel culture" is more tricky to identify with major public figures like Rogan, but I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say that when Joe Schmoe who works at the starbucks in the middle of nowhere has an old tweet and people mob his employer to get him fire that such a thing could reasonably be defined as "cancel culture."
Do you have any actual examples of this? I mean, I know cyber bullying is a problem but I don't think we should conflate the two things. Cancelling is used so widely that without talking about actual examples, I don't see how we advance here. Let me kick it off by saying there's legitimate reasons for firing people based on what you found on the internet. Would you want either of the two girls waiting a table in your restaurant, even if they left their cup at home? Would this be cancelling them over having taboo sex of their own free will? Or would they be legitimately fired for omitting working in a viral fetish porn video on their resume? E: just to be clear, I don't think I'd personally mind, nor do I think these two women should be shunned from society for their unfortunate choice to eat and play with each other's poop and vomit. However, I don't think it's crazy that past actions exclude you from some jobs. And being a "star" in one of the grossest things most people have ever seen obviously counts as a past action.
Not off the top of my head, sorry. I think we've all heard stories of people getting doxxed for example, right? From what I can tell doxxing is often done with the intent of "canceling." I guess maybe the one I remember recently is a game dev who who basically got bullied out of developing his games... think it was Five Nights at Freddy's, though I could be remember the story wrong.
Which is another aspect of it... when do we, say, kick out an athlete who expresses certain views that don't have to do with the game? Kapernick with the pig socks or Lebron (and the NBA) taking a hard stance on supposed American injustices while seemingly acting a coward on China both come to mind.
The instinct to jump on people is too easy to follow through on nowadays... Or at least, as I said before, it's easy to make it appear to be a pile on that could force a company to fire someone when in actuality that's not required.
Maybe there's a peer pressure aspect too. People may say/do things to appease a mob because they seek the approval of the mob. They don't act out of fear of a loss of market share but a loss of social standing. It's not about the cash, it's about the looks you get.
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On February 04 2022 00:19 JimmiC wrote:
I always find the affair thing strange in the sense that I would think conservative or religious partys wpuld be super harsh about it but they tend actually to be very forgiving of their own people who do it, not the others but their own there is usually a lot of tears and blah blah then its forgotten about. Trump was an odd case because he never apologized, or denied and his religious supporters just ignored that he was having multiple affairs with porn stars with a pregant wife and paying him off. He appears to be a special case in many ways.
I'd imagine the religious supporters see national and foreign policy as much more significant than Trump's personal affairs. For example if Hillary was going to fund abortions in foreign countries, those religious people are not going to vote for her.
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On February 04 2022 08:11 JimmiC wrote:
Organized religion is much more about controlling large groups of people than it is spirituality which is likely why they all include, big promises in the afterlife (or next), blind faith and lots of guilt.
Religion is large, personal and complex, but I think you are wrong. The main attraction of religion is the community and connection with others which believe in about the same as you, a spiritual identity and "pack" to belong to. I believe this is even more important than spirituality and finding comforting answers to the deep, troublesome questions about life, death, sin and afterlife.
Then, people with intentions of exploiting others for money and power are everywhere, and when they move up the ranks in religious groups, religious faith can be very effective for controlling a group, as you pointed out.
As an atheist, I found that it took away most of the absurdity of religion look at it as a place where people gather for eachother's company and to celebrate something they have in common, often at key moments of their lives.
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On February 04 2022 17:20 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2022 08:11 JimmiC wrote:
Organized religion is much more about controlling large groups of people than it is spirituality which is likely why they all include, big promises in the afterlife (or next), blind faith and lots of guilt. Religion is large, personal and complex, but I think you are wrong. The main attraction of religion is the community and connection with others which believe in about the same as you, a spiritual identity and "pack" to belong to. I believe this is even more important than spirituality and finding comforting answers to the deep, troublesome questions about life, death, sin and afterlife. Then, people with intentions of exploiting others for money and power are everywhere, and when they move up the ranks in religious groups, religious faith can be very effective for controlling a group, as you pointed out. As an atheist, I found that it took away most of the absurdity of religion look at it as a place where people gather for eachother's company and to celebrate something they have in common, often at key moments of their lives.
Well yeah, if you remove all of the supernatural assertions and the outdated moral codes and all of the questionable rituals, and dilute religions to just simple social groups, they do sound a lot more appealing and acceptable in the 21st century.
To both your, and JimmiC's, points, I think religions appeal to different people for many different reasons, including the ones you've both brought up (I wouldn't feel comfortable asserting what religion is "much more about", or what the "main attraction" necessarily is). It doesn't help that "religion" is often not well-defined, to say nothing of how nebulous and personalized the word "spirituality" is.
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Oil is up over $90 a barrel and gasoline prices are brushing up against all-time records! Dunno how much higher it'll go but the $80 floodgate is clearly broken and we still have a mix of globally reduced production, inflationary pressures, and a Fed that is going to drag its feet on even token attempts to reel it in. Let alone food and natgas which are in an even more insidious price spiral. Those Biden "I did that" stickers are I'm sure a hot commodity right now.
On the bright side - so far, so good for Texas and its upgraded power grid in the biggest winter storm so far of the season. None of that power outage stuff like last year.
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Texas is still having outages, but no, I don't suppose it's the same as when people were freezing to death in their living rooms as Ted Cruz Cruz'ed his way to Cancun. They just seem to have an endemic tree branch problem this year.
In other fun stuff, the RNC has censured Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for supporting the investigation into the January 6th Insurrection, citing the mobs of people threatening and carrying out violence, attacking police, trying to hunt down senators, and calling to hang Mike Pence as "legitimate political discourse". If that causes your brain to spin for a loop, especially after them bitching and moaning nonstop about BLM protests, I wouldn't blame you. But I am recalling the notion that politics and law are all about determining acceptable targets of violence, so it's starting to track. This is America, where one of your 2 major parties is a terrorist organization, and the other party is kinda cool with that. And that is what happens when you break lockstep with your fellow Republicans for even a moment, for even suggesting that your Dear Leader might be open to scrutiny.
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Do they announce who voted to censure? The Republicans really are digging further down in their own grave bending over backwards for Trump. There’s not even a good reason or statement.
"The Republican National Committee hereby formally censures Representatives Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois and shall immediately cease any and all support of them as members of the Republican Party for their behavior, which has been destructive to the institution of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Republican Party and our republic, and is inconsistent with the position of the conference,"
“Hey guys Trump wants them gone and replaced with more swamp creatures, we gotta censure them for uh, existing on a panel covering the events around Jan6”.
Surely lying about a stolen election and your supporters breaking into the capitol might weigh heavier than being on a committee looking at those events. Fucksake. I used to think Democrats and Republicans were both equally incompetent sycophants. But Trump broke the republicans, in a way they seem incapable of retreating from.
At least Democrats and Progressives can argue and bicker at eachother based on policy. They don’t have to censor their every word not to offend Biden or Clinton. I almost want to run for office or join a Republican meeting / event and see how deranged things actually are. There are some adults in the room still right?
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On February 05 2022 05:58 NewSunshine wrote:
Texas is still having outages, but no, I don't suppose it's the same as when people were freezing to death in their living rooms as Ted Cruz Cruz'ed his way to Cancun. They just seem to have an endemic tree branch problem this year.
In other fun stuff, the RNC has censured Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for supporting the investigation into the January 6th Insurrection, citing the mobs of people threatening and carrying out violence, attacking police, trying to hunt down senators, and calling to hang Mike Pence as "legitimate political discourse". If that causes your brain to spin for a loop, especially after them bitching and moaning nonstop about BLM protests, I wouldn't blame you. But I am recalling the notion that politics and law are all about determining acceptable targets of violence, so it's starting to track. This is America, where one of your 2 major parties is a terrorist organization, and the other party is kinda cool with that. And that is what happens when you break lockstep with your fellow Republicans for even a moment, for even suggesting that your Dear Leader might be open to scrutiny.
I assume you are referring to the NYT's misinformation on the RNC censure:
The censure does not actually call the capitol attack "legitimate political discourse." It says the Jan 6 committee is "persecuting Americans who engaged in legitimate political discourse." The longstanding RNC argument against the committee is that the committee is going beyond just the capitol riot and persecuting Americans who believe in election fraud. So the NYT story, in failing to accurately report that argument, amounts to deliberate misinformation (which is funny because the Twitter employees who write the trending topics are currently parroting the NYT).
Nothing new of course. The media sensationalizes the truth in order to increase its audience size.
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On February 05 2022 06:42 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2022 05:58 NewSunshine wrote:
Texas is still having outages, but no, I don't suppose it's the same as when people were freezing to death in their living rooms as Ted Cruz Cruz'ed his way to Cancun. They just seem to have an endemic tree branch problem this year.
In other fun stuff, the RNC has censured Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for supporting the investigation into the January 6th Insurrection, citing the mobs of people threatening and carrying out violence, attacking police, trying to hunt down senators, and calling to hang Mike Pence as "legitimate political discourse". If that causes your brain to spin for a loop, especially after them bitching and moaning nonstop about BLM protests, I wouldn't blame you. But I am recalling the notion that politics and law are all about determining acceptable targets of violence, so it's starting to track. This is America, where one of your 2 major parties is a terrorist organization, and the other party is kinda cool with that. And that is what happens when you break lockstep with your fellow Republicans for even a moment, for even suggesting that your Dear Leader might be open to scrutiny. I assume you are referring to the NYT's misinformation on the RNC censure: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1489703362572558338The censure does not actually call the capitol attack "legitimate political discourse." It says the Jan 6 committee is "persecuting Americans who engaged in legitimate political discourse." The longstanding RNC argument against the committee is that the committee is going beyond just the capitol riot and persecuting Americans who believe in election fraud. So the NYT story, in failing to accurately report that argument, amounts to deliberate misinformation (which is funny because the Twitter employees who write the trending topics are currently parroting the NYT). Nothing new of course. The media sensationalizes the truth in order to increase its audience size.
Why would the RNC censure Cheney and Kinzinger?
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