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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 24 2021 16:38 GMT
#65061
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10006 Posts
June 24 2021 16:45 GMT
#65062
On June 25 2021 01:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Mc Afee has killed himself in a spanish prison. Seems to have been a complete sociopath and a narcissist, but I would lie if I said that reading about his life didn’t make me smile a bit.

On a side note, another libertarian that turns out to be a egomaniac psycho. There is a pattern here.


It may not be safe for work but search How To Uninstall McAfee Antivirus in youtube lol
Weird guy, but you can't say he didn't live life at 100%
RIP Meatloaf <3
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28906 Posts
June 24 2021 16:50 GMT
#65063
I consider them a much nicer version of a conscripted army. And I prefer the society that forces its doctors to work for little pay over the one that incentivizes their poor and unemployed to work for the military.

(None of this is defending the practice, and while Whataboutism generally isn't a worthwhile endeavor, it actually has some validity to it when dealing with the issue of 'which country is bad enough to warrant an embargo'.)
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8195 Posts
June 24 2021 17:31 GMT
#65064
While the argument has some merit, I can’t help but wonder at what point democracy and personnal freedom stopped being non negociable when evaluating the merits of a society.

I don’t support Cuba’s embargo, but it’s a brutal dictatorship, and I would put a shitty democracy like the US over any dictatorship every day of the week and twice on sunday.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-24 18:10:47
June 24 2021 18:06 GMT
#65065
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5035 Posts
June 24 2021 18:09 GMT
#65066
On June 24 2021 22:42 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2021 21:54 Slydie wrote:
So, the Florida GOP now wants to make university staff do surveys about their political views to ensure "intellectual diversity". A pretty disgusting way of politicising the educational system which I find deeply concerning. Is it even legal?

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/


worth noting too that DeSantis is often highlighted as the poster child of conservative politics and a hopeful for president. even in this thread. I would appreciate some feedback from those supporters on how this isn’t blatantly unconstitutional and how that fits into ones idea of a hopeful presidential candidate.


I mean if I were to be sarcastic I'd say that proposing unconstitutional things actually fits right into what many people want from a candidate!

As for this, I haven't looked into it. I don't agree with or support everything DeSantis has done but he's miles above anyone else in the GOP at the moment, and considering where Democrats stand with (no respect) to the Constitution I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Just this week we have Democrats continuing to try and federalize elections and Biden trying to go after the second amendment. Although I think both endeavors are almost certain to fail, thankfully.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-24 18:49:55
June 24 2021 18:49 GMT
#65067
Crying "state's rights" has been used to mask plenty of unsavory motivations for Right-wing agendas in the past. Why is voting access rights supposed to be different? What's the justification beyond "the states must decide"? What are they deciding that wasn't included in the federal bill and why is that? Must be cracking down on that pesky voter fraud that's definitely really there, I'm sure. Complain about too many people being able to vote so they don't notice that it's actually the opposite.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44367 Posts
June 24 2021 18:50 GMT
#65068
On June 25 2021 03:09 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2021 22:42 brian wrote:
On June 24 2021 21:54 Slydie wrote:
So, the Florida GOP now wants to make university staff do surveys about their political views to ensure "intellectual diversity". A pretty disgusting way of politicising the educational system which I find deeply concerning. Is it even legal?

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/


worth noting too that DeSantis is often highlighted as the poster child of conservative politics and a hopeful for president. even in this thread. I would appreciate some feedback from those supporters on how this isn’t blatantly unconstitutional and how that fits into ones idea of a hopeful presidential candidate.


I mean if I were to be sarcastic I'd say that proposing unconstitutional things actually fits right into what many people want from a candidate!

As for this, I haven't looked into it. I don't agree with or support everything DeSantis has done but he's miles above anyone else in the GOP at the moment, and considering where Democrats stand with (no respect) to the Constitution I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Just this week we have Democrats continuing to try and federalize elections and Biden trying to go after the second amendment. Although I think both endeavors are almost certain to fail, thankfully.

Elections should have been federalized as part of reconstruction after the civil war. States running their own elections was a recipe for Jim Crow.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46502 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-24 19:13:09
June 24 2021 19:04 GMT
#65069
On June 25 2021 03:09 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2021 22:42 brian wrote:
On June 24 2021 21:54 Slydie wrote:
So, the Florida GOP now wants to make university staff do surveys about their political views to ensure "intellectual diversity". A pretty disgusting way of politicising the educational system which I find deeply concerning. Is it even legal?

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/


worth noting too that DeSantis is often highlighted as the poster child of conservative politics and a hopeful for president. even in this thread. I would appreciate some feedback from those supporters on how this isn’t blatantly unconstitutional and how that fits into ones idea of a hopeful presidential candidate.


I mean if I were to be sarcastic I'd say that proposing unconstitutional things actually fits right into what many people want from a candidate!

As for this, I haven't looked into it. I don't agree with or support everything DeSantis has done but he's miles above anyone else in the GOP at the moment, and considering where Democrats stand with (no respect) to the Constitution I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Just this week we have Democrats continuing to try and federalize elections and Biden trying to go after the second amendment. Although I think both endeavors are almost certain to fail, thankfully.


Biden is trying to pressure Congress to amend/repeal the second amendment?

And what's wrong with federalizing the presidential election?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 24 2021 21:04 GMT
#65070
Desantis is an idiot and if he's the best they can do then they're in for a very long road.

He was barely able to beat a scandal ridden black man in the American South - one who was under open investigation by the FBI. His entire state has maybe 1 statewide elected democrat, and he still almost lost to Andrew Gillum

The only reason he looks at all decent is how awful his contenders are : Trump, Trump, or Trump (depending on which family member tries), or Tucker Carlson.

I've not seen any rumors of anyone else running : serving in Trump's WH is basically a black mark and there's not a single GOP senator or representative with the sort of charisma needed to run a campaign. All the smart governors are staying quiet until it becomes more obvious whether or not Trump is really going to run again.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46502 Posts
June 24 2021 21:16 GMT
#65071
On June 25 2021 06:04 Nevuk wrote:
Desantis is an idiot and if he's the best they can do then they're in for a very long road.

He was barely able to beat a scandal ridden black man in the American South - one who was under open investigation by the FBI. His entire state has maybe 1 statewide elected democrat, and he still almost lost to Andrew Gillum

The only reason he looks at all decent is how awful his contenders are : Trump, Trump, or Trump (depending on which family member tries), or Tucker Carlson.

I've not seen any rumors of anyone else running : serving in Trump's WH is basically a black mark and there's not a single GOP senator or representative with the sort of charisma needed to run a campaign. All the smart governors are staying quiet until it becomes more obvious whether or not Trump is really going to run again.


Have you heard that Tucker Carlson might run for president? I haven't, but if he does, I'd be worried.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
June 25 2021 03:11 GMT
#65072
Florida went to Obama, twice. It's not some deep south red state. It's a swing state. A close governor election in a state that's divided down the middle is to be expected.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 25 2021 04:24 GMT
#65073
It ends up being a swing state when the more educated, progressive areas are accounted for, but to act like Florida doesn't also reflect attitudes of the deep south is just wrong. Look up "Florida Man" and have yourself a ball. It's not exactly like the rest of the southern states, but mostly because it's even more absurd.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
June 25 2021 06:36 GMT
#65074
On June 25 2021 13:24 NewSunshine wrote:
It ends up being a swing state when the more educated, progressive areas are accounted for, but to act like Florida doesn't also reflect attitudes of the deep south is just wrong. Look up "Florida Man" and have yourself a ball. It's not exactly like the rest of the southern states, but mostly because it's even more absurd.


I don't need to look up Florida Man, I am one, literally lol. But yes, just like most states, Florida has rural and racist folks. Where most of the people are, Miami, ft Lauderdale, Tampa, Orlando, jacksonville, there is nothing deep south about it.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-25 10:39:26
June 25 2021 10:38 GMT
#65075
Sure, but your electoral system is specifically designed to undercount the preferences of the places where most of the people are. That's the whole basis of the structural advantages the Republicans have voted themselves over time.

I don't have an opinion on DeSantis's threat level, but Nevuk's point is that it's unimpressive to have barely won a state which otherwise produced an almost solid-red electoral map. That point is fairly sound.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46502 Posts
June 25 2021 12:13 GMT
#65076
Yeah I don't think DeSantis would automatically have the swing state of Florida on his side in a general election against a Democrat (although he might have a good chance within a Republican primary).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-25 12:24:30
June 25 2021 12:20 GMT
#65077
Inside the extraordinary effort to save Trump from covid-19@WaPo via msn

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar’s phone rang with an urgent request: Could he help someone at the White House obtain an experimental coronavirus treatment, known as a monoclonal antibody?

If Azar could get the drug, what would the White House need to do to make that happen? Azar thought for a moment. It was Oct. 1, 2020, and the drug was still in clinical trials. The Food and Drug Administration would have to make a “compassionate use” exception for its use since it was not yet available to the public. Only about 10 people so far had used it outside of those trials. Azar said of course he would help.

Azar wasn’t told who the drug was for but would later connect the dots. The patient was one of President Donald Trump’s closest advisers: Hope Hicks.

A short time later, FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn received a request from a top White House official for a separate case, this time with even greater urgency: Could he get the FDA to sign off on a compassionate-use authorization for a monoclonal antibody right away? There is a standard process that doctors use to apply to the FDA for unapproved drugs on behalf of patients dealing with life-threatening illnesses who have exhausted all other options, and agency scientists review it. The difference was that most people don’t call the commissioner directly.

The White House wanted Hahn to say yes within hours. Hahn, who still did not know who the application was for, consulted career officials. The FDA needs to go by the book, the officials insisted. Hahn relayed the message back to the White House. They kept pressing him to effectively cut corners. No, we can’t do that, Hahn told them several times. We’re talking about someone’s life. We have to actually examine the application to make sure we’re doing it safely.

When Hahn later learned the effort was on behalf of the president, he was stunned. For God’s sake, he thought, it’s the president who’s sick, and you want us to bend the rules? Trump was in the highest-risk category for severe disease from covid-19 — at 74, he rarely exercised and was considered medically obese. He was the type of patient with whom you would want to take every possible precaution. As it did with all compassionate-use applications, the FDA made a decision within 24 hours. Agency officials scrambled to figure out which company’s monoclonal antibody would be most appropriate given the clinical information they had, and selected the one from Regeneron, known simply as Regen-Cov.


The day after the Supreme Court celebration, Trump had also hosted military families at the White House. At Trump’s insistence, few were wearing masks, but they were packed in a little too tight for his comfort. He wasn’t worried about others getting sick, but he did fret about his own vulnerability and complained to his staff afterward. Why were they letting people get so close to him? Meeting with the Gold Star families was sad and moving, he said, but added, “If these guys had covid, I’m going to get it because they were all over me.” He told his staff that they needed to do a better job of protecting him.

Two days after that, he flew to Cleveland for the first presidential debate against his Democratic challenger, Joe Biden. Trump was erratic that whole evening, and he seemed to deteriorate as the night went on. The pundits’ verdicts were brutal.

Almost 48 hours later, Trump became terribly ill. Hours after his tweet announcing he and first lady Melania Trump had coronavirus infections, the president began a rapid spiral downward. His fever spiked, and his blood oxygen level fell below 94 percent, at one point dipping into the 80s. Sean Conley, the White House physician, attended the president at his bedside. Trump was given oxygen in an effort to stabilize him.

The doctors gave Trump an eight-gram dose of two monoclonal antibodies through an intravenous tube. That experimental treatment was what had required the FDA’s sign-off. He was also given a first dose of the antiviral drug remdesivir, also by IV. That drug was authorized for use but still hard to get for many patients because it was in short supply.


absolutely recommended read. I know it kinda flies under the radar as people's eyballs are on Florida and the insane condo tragedy but imho this deserves a post, and subsequently to be read. it's an excerpt from a book by WaPo journalists about the mishandled pandemic response under Trump.

here in this chapter in particular the scramble to get a life saving drug Regeneron - still in clinical trials - to the POTUS asap as his carelessness about the covid 19 virus caught up to him. and burst the bubble of false confidence and safety for even the most powerful politician in the world.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 25 2021 12:32 GMT
#65078
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22648 Posts
June 25 2021 12:47 GMT
#65079
On June 25 2021 21:32 JimmiC wrote:
I think when the Republicans pick a presidential candidate it is not about attracting new voters, it is about keeping the ones they have had long term AND keeping the new Trump ones. The hope of winning is that the Dem voters won't be as energized without running against Trump. Attracting any new group is impossible while keeping the new Trump/Q voters as I don't think they mix with anyone. They barely can mix with long term Republicans. So someone like Desantis might make sense if he can just keep both satisfied.
The politicians don't get to pick the candidate. They didn't pick Trump and they won't pick Trump successor.
The 'Trump' part of the Republican voter base decides who will come after him, just like they chose Trump himself.

Kinda ironic how 'democratic' (aka the people decide) the Republican primary is considering how they apparently hate democracy with the many documented attempts at voter suppression.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46502 Posts
June 25 2021 13:09 GMT
#65080
On June 25 2021 21:32 JimmiC wrote:
I think when the Republicans pick a presidential candidate it is not about attracting new voters, it is about keeping the ones they have had long term AND keeping the new Trump ones. The hope of winning is that the Dem voters won't be as energized without running against Trump. Attracting any new group is impossible while keeping the new Trump/Q voters as I don't think they mix with anyone. They barely can mix with long term Republicans. So someone like Desantis might make sense if he can just keep both satisfied.


Agreed, plus voter suppression against voting blocs that typically vote Democrat.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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