US Politics Mega-thread - Page 3082

On February 14 2021 13:22 Erasme wrote:
Oh well, the GOP refused to take a stand. Now they will gravitate further and further towards the alt right until the conservatives split from the trumpists.

On February 14 2021 15:34 zeo wrote:
I wonder how long the media will keep obsessing over Trump. The Biden administration needs to move on or he will always be remembered as 'that guy that wasnt Trump'. Though its pretty amazing if Trump can keep everything revolving around him and not the sitting president for four more years.

Though Im not sure how smart that idea is to run again in four years, he will be like 78? Better to spend these four years purging the Republican party and setting up an heir to his policies, pushing through election reform so the process is more transparent and fair while also calling out the Biden administration for things that they do wrong.

The Democrats should be focusing on running the country now, not on Trump. They control everything so why waste time with this petty crap when they could be implementing whatever they want. No?

On February 14 2021 07:04 KwarK wrote:
Their arguments were absurd too. Impeachment is an explicitly political rather than criminal affair. The question is whether the politician has failed in the duty to the public, not whether they broke the law. Trump’s lawyers attempted to argue that what Trump did wasn’t criminal but that’s wholly beside the point because nobody was claiming it was. You don’t have a constitutional right not to be impeached for your speech, only to not be arrested for it.

They basically went full “only god can judge” when the constitution explicitly gives them the right to judge here.

On February 14 2021 19:04 oBlade wrote:

Impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors, not political vendettas.

The constitution does not specifically proscribe the use of "he took my parking spot" as an impeachable offense but it's not done out of respect for the institution. They make the determination but if you allow partisan charges then the cat is out of the bag and you should expect partisan resistance.

Though there is an openness to where the Senate can sentence someone for mistakes or misconduct that don't otherwise fall under a criminal statute due to the nature of public office, if the serious charge of inciting a riot and insurrection and attempting to upend democracy were not criminal, then anyone could do it as a private citizen with impunity because you can't impeach private citizens. What you're saying falls apart from both ends.

As a side note in 150 years no Democratic senator has ever dissented in a presidential impeachment vote. Just interesting.

On February 14 2021 19:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:

That's as meaningless a trivia as it gets. All you are saying is that no democratic senator voted for Clinton to be removed from office for lying about a blowjob, and then your next data point is from1868 because of a slavery issue at the end of the civil war.

I mean, what is that about exactly?

On February 14 2021 19:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:

That's as meaningless a trivia as it gets. All you are saying is that no democratic senator voted for Clinton to be removed from office for lying about a blowjob, and then your next data point is from1868 because of a slavery issue at the end of the civil war.

I mean, what is that about exactly?

It's interesting you see 230 some odd years of history without presidential incident, and only 1-2 frivolous impeachments in all that time but a sudden acceleration in the last 2 years. Either a) the American people suddenly elected Satan after 200 years of relaxing or b) something else is eating democracy and causing this impeachmentdemic.

On February 14 2021 23:18 oBlade wrote:

Trivia tend to be trivial. It is an interesting fact, I think it shows plainly how partisan impeachment is. Or Democrats are just always right? As far as I know Andrew Johnson's impeachment had nothing to do with slavery. Lost on you, the fact also means no Democrats voted to acquit Trump either.

I thought it was interesting so I pointed it out, I hope your general reaction to encountering new facts isn't "what is this thing." We should check the votes for other officers who were impeached too, might be an interesting contrast.

I saw this lying about a blowjob shtick like one page ago. Quickly becoming a tired line. The charge was perjury. With perjury it doesn't matter what you lie about if you're under oath. I hope for the sake of cognitive dissonance that it's not in your worldview to call Trump a sleaze, anyway.

Iirc Clinton was disbarred and fined. You can say it's not a high crime and not subject to impeachment. For sure. I think I've made it clear I don't care for time wasting obstructionist impeachments. But you should elevate your discourse from the pejorative "lied about a blowjob" thing unless you want to equally embrace the fact that the 45th President of the United States was impeached for tweeting.

It's interesting you see 230 some odd years of history without presidential incident, and only 1-2 frivolous impeachments in all that time but a sudden acceleration in the last 2 years. Either a) the American people suddenly elected Satan after 200 years of relaxing or b) something else is eating democracy and causing this impeachmentdemic.

On February 14 2021 23:18 oBlade wrote:

Trivia tend to be trivial. It is an interesting fact, I think it shows plainly how partisan impeachment is. Or Democrats are just always right? As far as I know Andrew Johnson's impeachment had nothing to do with slavery. Lost on you, the fact also means no Democrats voted to acquit Trump either.

I thought it was interesting so I pointed it out, I hope your general reaction to encountering new facts isn't "what is this thing." We should check the votes for other officers who were impeached too, might be an interesting contrast.

I saw this lying about a blowjob shtick like one page ago. Quickly becoming a tired line. The charge was perjury. With perjury it doesn't matter what you lie about if you're under oath. I hope for the sake of cognitive dissonance that it's not in your worldview to call Trump a sleaze, anyway.

Iirc Clinton was disbarred and fined. You can say it's not a high crime and not subject to impeachment. For sure. I think I've made it clear I don't care for time wasting obstructionist impeachments. But you should elevate your discourse from the pejorative "lied about a blowjob" thing unless you want to equally embrace the fact that the 45th President of the United States was impeached for tweeting.

It's interesting you see 230 some odd years of history without presidential incident, and only 1-2 frivolous impeachments in all that time but a sudden acceleration in the last 2 years. Either a) the American people suddenly elected Satan after 200 years of relaxing or b) something else is eating democracy and causing this impeachmentdemic.