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On June 13 2018 01:10 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2018 00:32 Ayaz2810 wrote:On June 13 2018 00:20 Danglars wrote:On June 12 2018 23:54 Ayaz2810 wrote:
So are we in agreement that everything Trump has done in a year and a half either indirectly, or directly, benefits Russia and Putin? Up to and including this bullshit "concession". It seems pretty clear cut that rather than being as stupid as people think, he's literally just a Russian asset working for them, and has been for decades. And how about that honesty about lying? "It may not work out. But I'll come up with an excuse". He said on television to everyone that he plans to lie about things that don't go his way. And yet some people eat it up. I have already heard people say "so honest. Much Presidential. Very historic". Fucking morons. Quite the reverse. New sanctions from the Treasury. Major arms shipped to Ukraine (including anti-tank missiles). Expulsion of diplomats. Public condemnation, by his political appointees, of Russians actions like the nerve gas attack and Russian support for Assad. His military also killed dozens/hundreds of Russian mercenaries in Syria. Anyone who thinks Trump is “literally just a Russian asset working for them, and has been for decades” and others are “fucking morons” probably is too invested in that narrative for reconsideration. That’s a little extreme. You realize that the arming of Ukraine is a direct payment for dropping all investigations into Paul Manafort and ceasing cooperation with Mueller right? Also, "The sanctions target five Russian companies and three individuals, some of whom are accused of directly supporting Russia’s intelligence agency, the Federal Security Service, in its efforts to carry out cyberattacks." That is hardly comprehensive and does nothing in the grand scheme of things. Everything that is meant to be "tough" on Russia is either smoke and mirrors, or so ineffective that it's only being done for the optics. Public condemnation by his appointees.... you know who would really drive that condemnation home? THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Yet he has said nothing. You haven't given me an example that doesn't bolster my point. Anything he has done is clearly for show. Meanwhile, he spends most of his time gifting things to Russia. Most notably, trying his damndest to alienate every one of our allies and destroy the relationships that the western nations have with one another. It's like saying "I gave the robber everything he wanted, but I told him he was a dick when I handed him my wallet". Ooooh such a big man. See, you’re spinning everything the Trump administration’s done against Russia to mean further layers of corruption and not up to standards of your own choosing. It’s the “anything he has done is clearly for show” rule. I’m not going to argue with a self-serving constructed view of US-Russia relations. I’ve cited the leading facts and listened to exactly one attempt to spin them all away into nothing.
2018: Where facts are considered spin. Sums up the world we live in pretty well.
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Where’s our Seattle reporters in the field on this one?
Less than a month after roiling Seattle and making national headlines by voting unanimously to pass a controversial head tax on big businesses such as Amazon, the City Council now plans to abruptly reverse itself and vote to repeal the tax.
Council President Bruce Harrell announced the move without warning Monday and vowed to move at lightning speed to kill the measure, responding to a backlash from business leaders and residents who say they don’t trust the council to spend wisely.
Harrell scheduled a special meeting for Tuesday and said he would sponsor the repeal legislation, which appears to have enough votes. He and six others on the council joined Mayor Jenny Durkan in a statement Monday signaling their support for nixing the $275 per employee, per year tax, which was supposed to raise about $47 million per year starting in 2019 to fund low-income housing and homeless services.
Council members said talks with constituents had persuaded them to change course.
The news of the sudden turnaround — unprecedented in recent Seattle politics — also comes as the council stares down the prospect of a long and bitter battle for votes.
Seattle Times
They wanted to make Seattle big business conform to their Seattle values. As a Councilmember said “This progressive revenue stream balances the needs of our small business community, while ensuring we have the funding we need to provide critical housing and health services.” Well, it appears the progressive dream can’t even find a base of support in good old Seattle.
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Seattle, trying to avoid becoming San Francisco by levying taxes against huge companies that drive up the cost of living for everyone while paying nothing into the city itself. Good for them. Cities should stick up for themselves when these massive, billion dollar companies show up and act like they should be treated like the local supermarket.
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On June 13 2018 02:01 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2018 01:14 Ayaz2810 wrote:On June 13 2018 01:10 Danglars wrote:On June 13 2018 00:32 Ayaz2810 wrote:On June 13 2018 00:20 Danglars wrote:On June 12 2018 23:54 Ayaz2810 wrote:
So are we in agreement that everything Trump has done in a year and a half either indirectly, or directly, benefits Russia and Putin? Up to and including this bullshit "concession". It seems pretty clear cut that rather than being as stupid as people think, he's literally just a Russian asset working for them, and has been for decades. And how about that honesty about lying? "It may not work out. But I'll come up with an excuse". He said on television to everyone that he plans to lie about things that don't go his way. And yet some people eat it up. I have already heard people say "so honest. Much Presidential. Very historic". Fucking morons. Quite the reverse. New sanctions from the Treasury. Major arms shipped to Ukraine (including anti-tank missiles). Expulsion of diplomats. Public condemnation, by his political appointees, of Russians actions like the nerve gas attack and Russian support for Assad. His military also killed dozens/hundreds of Russian mercenaries in Syria. Anyone who thinks Trump is “literally just a Russian asset working for them, and has been for decades” and others are “fucking morons” probably is too invested in that narrative for reconsideration. That’s a little extreme. You realize that the arming of Ukraine is a direct payment for dropping all investigations into Paul Manafort and ceasing cooperation with Mueller right? Also, "The sanctions target five Russian companies and three individuals, some of whom are accused of directly supporting Russia’s intelligence agency, the Federal Security Service, in its efforts to carry out cyberattacks." That is hardly comprehensive and does nothing in the grand scheme of things. Everything that is meant to be "tough" on Russia is either smoke and mirrors, or so ineffective that it's only being done for the optics. Public condemnation by his appointees.... you know who would really drive that condemnation home? THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Yet he has said nothing. You haven't given me an example that doesn't bolster my point. Anything he has done is clearly for show. Meanwhile, he spends most of his time gifting things to Russia. Most notably, trying his damndest to alienate every one of our allies and destroy the relationships that the western nations have with one another. It's like saying "I gave the robber everything he wanted, but I told him he was a dick when I handed him my wallet". Ooooh such a big man. See, you’re spinning everything the Trump administration’s done against Russia to mean further layers of corruption and not up to standards of your own choosing. It’s the “anything he has done is clearly for show” rule. I’m not going to argue with a self-serving constructed view of US-Russia relations. I’ve cited the leading facts and listened to exactly one attempt to spin them all away into nothing. 2018: Where facts are considered spin. Sums up the world we live in pretty well. This is the worst thing in politics and news in general right now. No one knows that the facts are. Either side just calls the other sides facts spin. Impartial, trust worthy news does not appear to exist right now.
I recommend NPR, who is the only news agency that seems to be talking about how they are addressing this very issue.
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On June 13 2018 02:01 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2018 01:14 Ayaz2810 wrote:On June 13 2018 01:10 Danglars wrote:On June 13 2018 00:32 Ayaz2810 wrote:On June 13 2018 00:20 Danglars wrote:On June 12 2018 23:54 Ayaz2810 wrote:
So are we in agreement that everything Trump has done in a year and a half either indirectly, or directly, benefits Russia and Putin? Up to and including this bullshit "concession". It seems pretty clear cut that rather than being as stupid as people think, he's literally just a Russian asset working for them, and has been for decades. And how about that honesty about lying? "It may not work out. But I'll come up with an excuse". He said on television to everyone that he plans to lie about things that don't go his way. And yet some people eat it up. I have already heard people say "so honest. Much Presidential. Very historic". Fucking morons. Quite the reverse. New sanctions from the Treasury. Major arms shipped to Ukraine (including anti-tank missiles). Expulsion of diplomats. Public condemnation, by his political appointees, of Russians actions like the nerve gas attack and Russian support for Assad. His military also killed dozens/hundreds of Russian mercenaries in Syria. Anyone who thinks Trump is “literally just a Russian asset working for them, and has been for decades” and others are “fucking morons” probably is too invested in that narrative for reconsideration. That’s a little extreme. You realize that the arming of Ukraine is a direct payment for dropping all investigations into Paul Manafort and ceasing cooperation with Mueller right? Also, "The sanctions target five Russian companies and three individuals, some of whom are accused of directly supporting Russia’s intelligence agency, the Federal Security Service, in its efforts to carry out cyberattacks." That is hardly comprehensive and does nothing in the grand scheme of things. Everything that is meant to be "tough" on Russia is either smoke and mirrors, or so ineffective that it's only being done for the optics. Public condemnation by his appointees.... you know who would really drive that condemnation home? THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Yet he has said nothing. You haven't given me an example that doesn't bolster my point. Anything he has done is clearly for show. Meanwhile, he spends most of his time gifting things to Russia. Most notably, trying his damndest to alienate every one of our allies and destroy the relationships that the western nations have with one another. It's like saying "I gave the robber everything he wanted, but I told him he was a dick when I handed him my wallet". Ooooh such a big man. See, you’re spinning everything the Trump administration’s done against Russia to mean further layers of corruption and not up to standards of your own choosing. It’s the “anything he has done is clearly for show” rule. I’m not going to argue with a self-serving constructed view of US-Russia relations. I’ve cited the leading facts and listened to exactly one attempt to spin them all away into nothing. 2018: Where facts are considered spin. Sums up the world we live in pretty well. This is the worst thing in politics and news in general right now. No one knows that the facts are. Either side just calls the other sides facts spin. Impartial, trust worthy news does not appear to exist right now.
Yup. And Danglars is as guilty as the rest of them. It's true, but I don't like it. Therefore, spin.
Ukraine, Seeking U.S. Missiles, Halted Cooperation With Mueller Investigation
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/world/europe/ukraine-mueller-manafort-missiles.html
I could post links that refute everything he says, but it will still just end up being "spin" or the "dishonest media". I have friends like that. Talking to them is like talking to a brick wall because they can't even agree on what the facts are.
I have a political Facebook page that I make a few bucks on, so I spend most of my free time reading news and verifying sourcing and such for hundreds of articles. BUT HEY, IT'S ALL JUST THE LIBRUL MEDIA.
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On June 13 2018 02:01 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2018 01:14 Ayaz2810 wrote:On June 13 2018 01:10 Danglars wrote:On June 13 2018 00:32 Ayaz2810 wrote:On June 13 2018 00:20 Danglars wrote:On June 12 2018 23:54 Ayaz2810 wrote:
So are we in agreement that everything Trump has done in a year and a half either indirectly, or directly, benefits Russia and Putin? Up to and including this bullshit "concession". It seems pretty clear cut that rather than being as stupid as people think, he's literally just a Russian asset working for them, and has been for decades. And how about that honesty about lying? "It may not work out. But I'll come up with an excuse". He said on television to everyone that he plans to lie about things that don't go his way. And yet some people eat it up. I have already heard people say "so honest. Much Presidential. Very historic". Fucking morons. Quite the reverse. New sanctions from the Treasury. Major arms shipped to Ukraine (including anti-tank missiles). Expulsion of diplomats. Public condemnation, by his political appointees, of Russians actions like the nerve gas attack and Russian support for Assad. His military also killed dozens/hundreds of Russian mercenaries in Syria. Anyone who thinks Trump is “literally just a Russian asset working for them, and has been for decades” and others are “fucking morons” probably is too invested in that narrative for reconsideration. That’s a little extreme. You realize that the arming of Ukraine is a direct payment for dropping all investigations into Paul Manafort and ceasing cooperation with Mueller right? Also, "The sanctions target five Russian companies and three individuals, some of whom are accused of directly supporting Russia’s intelligence agency, the Federal Security Service, in its efforts to carry out cyberattacks." That is hardly comprehensive and does nothing in the grand scheme of things. Everything that is meant to be "tough" on Russia is either smoke and mirrors, or so ineffective that it's only being done for the optics. Public condemnation by his appointees.... you know who would really drive that condemnation home? THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Yet he has said nothing. You haven't given me an example that doesn't bolster my point. Anything he has done is clearly for show. Meanwhile, he spends most of his time gifting things to Russia. Most notably, trying his damndest to alienate every one of our allies and destroy the relationships that the western nations have with one another. It's like saying "I gave the robber everything he wanted, but I told him he was a dick when I handed him my wallet". Ooooh such a big man. See, you’re spinning everything the Trump administration’s done against Russia to mean further layers of corruption and not up to standards of your own choosing. It’s the “anything he has done is clearly for show” rule. I’m not going to argue with a self-serving constructed view of US-Russia relations. I’ve cited the leading facts and listened to exactly one attempt to spin them all away into nothing. 2018: Where facts are considered spin. Sums up the world we live in pretty well. This is the worst thing in politics and news in general right now. No one knows that the facts are. Either side just calls the other sides facts spin. Impartial, trust worthy news does not appear to exist right now.
It never has existed and I'm not convinced that it can, Some try to be impartial but the more effort goes into achieving that the more often they fall into the pits of false compromise, it's a sisyphean task. Maybe our discernment is the problem more so than the media.
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Sounds like the folks who bet on teh collapse of the subprime market. A way to make money, but also profiting from the suffering of others.
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in 2002 the Canadian dollar was under $0.62 US and everything here was fine. if the Canadian dollar plunges it'll be easier for Canadian companies to sell stuff to Americans.
i don't know that a lower canadian dollar, in and of itself, causes suffering.
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Collapse of a currency is not it going "lower". Collapse denotes getting paid half way through the day so you spend it to avoid the mega inflation. You used a word that relates to a full economic meltdown.
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in 2002 the Canadian dollar was worth about 58% of what it was worth in 2008. that is a huge difference in the value of the Canadian dollar and the quality of life was roughly the same. i'd say things were better in 2002 than in 2008.
from 1974 to 1976 the Canadian dollar went from $1.04 to $0.84. again, negligible to zero impact on the Canadian people.
we've seen massive swings in the dollar with only slight impact on the Canadian people. if anything, a weaker dollar is better. do these "massive swings" count as a "collapse".... well now we're talking semantics.
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On June 13 2018 02:20 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2018 02:01 JimmiC wrote:On June 13 2018 01:14 Ayaz2810 wrote:On June 13 2018 01:10 Danglars wrote:On June 13 2018 00:32 Ayaz2810 wrote:On June 13 2018 00:20 Danglars wrote:On June 12 2018 23:54 Ayaz2810 wrote:
So are we in agreement that everything Trump has done in a year and a half either indirectly, or directly, benefits Russia and Putin? Up to and including this bullshit "concession". It seems pretty clear cut that rather than being as stupid as people think, he's literally just a Russian asset working for them, and has been for decades. And how about that honesty about lying? "It may not work out. But I'll come up with an excuse". He said on television to everyone that he plans to lie about things that don't go his way. And yet some people eat it up. I have already heard people say "so honest. Much Presidential. Very historic". Fucking morons. Quite the reverse. New sanctions from the Treasury. Major arms shipped to Ukraine (including anti-tank missiles). Expulsion of diplomats. Public condemnation, by his political appointees, of Russians actions like the nerve gas attack and Russian support for Assad. His military also killed dozens/hundreds of Russian mercenaries in Syria. Anyone who thinks Trump is “literally just a Russian asset working for them, and has been for decades” and others are “fucking morons” probably is too invested in that narrative for reconsideration. That’s a little extreme. You realize that the arming of Ukraine is a direct payment for dropping all investigations into Paul Manafort and ceasing cooperation with Mueller right? Also, "The sanctions target five Russian companies and three individuals, some of whom are accused of directly supporting Russia’s intelligence agency, the Federal Security Service, in its efforts to carry out cyberattacks." That is hardly comprehensive and does nothing in the grand scheme of things. Everything that is meant to be "tough" on Russia is either smoke and mirrors, or so ineffective that it's only being done for the optics. Public condemnation by his appointees.... you know who would really drive that condemnation home? THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Yet he has said nothing. You haven't given me an example that doesn't bolster my point. Anything he has done is clearly for show. Meanwhile, he spends most of his time gifting things to Russia. Most notably, trying his damndest to alienate every one of our allies and destroy the relationships that the western nations have with one another. It's like saying "I gave the robber everything he wanted, but I told him he was a dick when I handed him my wallet". Ooooh such a big man. See, you’re spinning everything the Trump administration’s done against Russia to mean further layers of corruption and not up to standards of your own choosing. It’s the “anything he has done is clearly for show” rule. I’m not going to argue with a self-serving constructed view of US-Russia relations. I’ve cited the leading facts and listened to exactly one attempt to spin them all away into nothing. 2018: Where facts are considered spin. Sums up the world we live in pretty well. This is the worst thing in politics and news in general right now. No one knows that the facts are. Either side just calls the other sides facts spin. Impartial, trust worthy news does not appear to exist right now. It never has existed and I'm not convinced that it can, Some try to be impartial but the more effort goes into achieving that the more often they fall into the pits of false compromise, it's a sisyphean task. Maybe our discernment is the problem more so than the media.
If people actually cared about the facts, the task would be worth it. Unfortunately, too many just want to hear confirmation of things they suspect, and don't want to hear news that challenges it.
I'd have been first in line to congratulate Trump if he'd done something awesome with NK at the summit. I hate the... well, let's call him a man for argument's sake, I hate him sincerely and with passion. But if he does something genuinely good I'll give him props for it. I'm sure he'll manage to... one day... accidentally...
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On June 13 2018 01:20 Danglars wrote:Where’s our Seattle reporters in the field on this one? Show nested quote +Less than a month after roiling Seattle and making national headlines by voting unanimously to pass a controversial head tax on big businesses such as Amazon, the City Council now plans to abruptly reverse itself and vote to repeal the tax.
Council President Bruce Harrell announced the move without warning Monday and vowed to move at lightning speed to kill the measure, responding to a backlash from business leaders and residents who say they don’t trust the council to spend wisely.
Harrell scheduled a special meeting for Tuesday and said he would sponsor the repeal legislation, which appears to have enough votes. He and six others on the council joined Mayor Jenny Durkan in a statement Monday signaling their support for nixing the $275 per employee, per year tax, which was supposed to raise about $47 million per year starting in 2019 to fund low-income housing and homeless services.
Council members said talks with constituents had persuaded them to change course.
The news of the sudden turnaround — unprecedented in recent Seattle politics — also comes as the council stares down the prospect of a long and bitter battle for votes.
Seattle TimesThey wanted to make Seattle big business conform to their Seattle values. As a Councilmember said “This progressive revenue stream balances the needs of our small business community, while ensuring we have the funding we need to provide critical housing and health services.” Well, it appears the progressive dream can’t even find a base of support in good old Seattle.
Yeah, they are a bunch of cowards if they bow down to big business. Bezos was just talking about having so much money he's going to have to send some to space, he can afford to help people with no where to live.
Hell he could do $47 million/yr out of his own personal pocket and not notice it was gone.
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Federal judge approves At&t Time Warner merger against Trumps wishes. I suppose the DOJ will appeal. I expect him to tweet soon.
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On June 13 2018 05:37 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2018 01:20 Danglars wrote:Where’s our Seattle reporters in the field on this one? Less than a month after roiling Seattle and making national headlines by voting unanimously to pass a controversial head tax on big businesses such as Amazon, the City Council now plans to abruptly reverse itself and vote to repeal the tax.
Council President Bruce Harrell announced the move without warning Monday and vowed to move at lightning speed to kill the measure, responding to a backlash from business leaders and residents who say they don’t trust the council to spend wisely.
Harrell scheduled a special meeting for Tuesday and said he would sponsor the repeal legislation, which appears to have enough votes. He and six others on the council joined Mayor Jenny Durkan in a statement Monday signaling their support for nixing the $275 per employee, per year tax, which was supposed to raise about $47 million per year starting in 2019 to fund low-income housing and homeless services.
Council members said talks with constituents had persuaded them to change course.
The news of the sudden turnaround — unprecedented in recent Seattle politics — also comes as the council stares down the prospect of a long and bitter battle for votes.
Seattle TimesThey wanted to make Seattle big business conform to their Seattle values. As a Councilmember said “This progressive revenue stream balances the needs of our small business community, while ensuring we have the funding we need to provide critical housing and health services.” Well, it appears the progressive dream can’t even find a base of support in good old Seattle. Yeah, they are a bunch of cowards if they bow down to big business. Bezos was just talking about having so much money he's going to have to send some to space, he can afford to help people with no where to live. Hell he could do $47 million/yr out of his own personal pocket and not notice it was gone.
No city wants to be the next Silicon Valley, with all the most profitable companies in the US and no ability to collect any of that as tax revenue. The fact that San Francisco can’t find money to replace its aging public transportation system or handle their homeless people problem shows playing nice with these companies just means they walk all over you.
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On June 13 2018 06:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2018 05:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 13 2018 01:20 Danglars wrote:Where’s our Seattle reporters in the field on this one? Less than a month after roiling Seattle and making national headlines by voting unanimously to pass a controversial head tax on big businesses such as Amazon, the City Council now plans to abruptly reverse itself and vote to repeal the tax.
Council President Bruce Harrell announced the move without warning Monday and vowed to move at lightning speed to kill the measure, responding to a backlash from business leaders and residents who say they don’t trust the council to spend wisely.
Harrell scheduled a special meeting for Tuesday and said he would sponsor the repeal legislation, which appears to have enough votes. He and six others on the council joined Mayor Jenny Durkan in a statement Monday signaling their support for nixing the $275 per employee, per year tax, which was supposed to raise about $47 million per year starting in 2019 to fund low-income housing and homeless services.
Council members said talks with constituents had persuaded them to change course.
The news of the sudden turnaround — unprecedented in recent Seattle politics — also comes as the council stares down the prospect of a long and bitter battle for votes.
Seattle TimesThey wanted to make Seattle big business conform to their Seattle values. As a Councilmember said “This progressive revenue stream balances the needs of our small business community, while ensuring we have the funding we need to provide critical housing and health services.” Well, it appears the progressive dream can’t even find a base of support in good old Seattle. Yeah, they are a bunch of cowards if they bow down to big business. Bezos was just talking about having so much money he's going to have to send some to space, he can afford to help people with no where to live. Hell he could do $47 million/yr out of his own personal pocket and not notice it was gone. No city wants to be the next Silicon Valley, with all the most profitable companies in the US and no ability to collect any of that as tax revenue. The fact that San Francisco can’t find money to replace its aging public transportation system or handle their homeless people problem shows playing nice with these companies just means they walk all over you.
I would like to point out that a large part of California's problem is that back in 1978 the state passed a referendum to cap property taxes, and limit when they could be assessed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(1978)
The main takeaway is that despite property values skyrocketing, property tax revenue did not even maintain a pretense of keeping up.
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Yikes. This merger and the possible 21st Century Fox and Disney ones have me deeply worried for the already heavily consolidated media landscape in the U.S. If this passes, I expect Disney to quickly engulf 21st Century Fox with no resistance.
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At some point congress will need to handle this shit. But it is going to need to be an entire political platform. An entire presidential run on “we are breaking up these companies that are way to big”. But campaign finance will need to happen first:
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