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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 22 2020 20:43 GMT
#55561
On October 23 2020 05:39 TheYango wrote:
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On October 23 2020 05:28 Acrofales wrote:
I dunno. Is it? I mean, it's been a clear, obvious and very visual slide from a fairly levelheaded central neoliberal poster to an off-the-chain propaganda repeater, but I thought that it started earlier than 2 years ago.

TBF, Doodsmack never was what I would have called "level-headed" even in his past incarnation. He got served multiple temp-bans for awful posting then too.

His posting is just as garbage as it was before, it's just more noticeable now because being pro-Trump goes against the grain of the thread, whereas he often slipped under the radar when he was a vehement neoliberal because it was mixed in with other people saying roughly similar things.

Yeah, exactly this. Being on the wrong side of the "consensus opinion" just makes the preexisting pattern look that much worse.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8152 Posts
October 22 2020 20:44 GMT
#55562
On October 23 2020 05:08 plasmidghost wrote:
If anyone's curious about Texas numbers, we're tracking all vote totals and may end up surpassing 2016 early vote totals by Sunday

https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-early-voting-numbers/

So we are looking at a very high turnout basically? Or is it just the pandemic situation that changes people's habits?
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-22 20:50:59
October 22 2020 20:50 GMT
#55563
Probably both.

On October 23 2020 04:50 Biff The Understudy wrote:
To be honest, as a voter, the fact that they tried to collude with Russia and managed to fuck it up is almost worse than if they had actually colluded. They are a bunch of unpatriotic crooks AND totally incompetent.



On October 23 2020 05:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
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On October 23 2020 04:43 Nevuk wrote:

On October 23 2020 04:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
The hysteria was definitely the almost daily "this is going to sink Trump... He's really in trouble now...etc." stuff. A lot of selective amnesia too when it comes to the FBI and their history with the truth.


True, though the actual story is just... so dumb that no one would have predicted it (that collusion was attempted by his campaign, but failed due to incompetence). It was never going to bring Trump down unless it were proven he was an actual Russian patsy, as if all he did was accept or solicit aid, Nixon and Reagan had done similar actions in the past.

I remember lots of people saying that at the start.

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Trump jr & sr still demonstrated clear willingness to collude. The only question is whether they succeeded or were too incompetent to do so.
Would you guys believe that's a doodsmack quote from ~2 years ago?

The more we found out the less likely it seemed that they failed due to incompetence, but I do recall people being like "Really? Trump was able to competently hide something so big?" and shrugging off many of the first accusations of russian meddling due to who they came from, ie, Hillary and the DNC who were looking for anything to blame besides themselves. I was one of those people. The evidence they publicly gave for guccifer 2.0 being a russian GRU agent was extremely thin, at first, for instance.

I more meant, after things like the Trump tower meeting and Manafort's ties were known, few people predicted "tried and failed due to incompetence". I, personally, would have though the incompetence would have come in way before the "able to successfully arrange a back channel meeting" step.

Also, Trump's one area of competence does seem to be covering damaging things about himself up, so the initial reason to write it off is no longer quite as true.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
October 22 2020 20:54 GMT
#55564
There's the Glenn Greenwald liberals who always harboured skepticism about the Russia investigations into Trump and saw it as a dishonest media and Democratic collaboration to attack Trump. I would venture to guess Doodsmack fell into that bin over time. It's a bit bizarre because I thought he was a rather milquetoast centrist and not particularly receptive to that kind of message, but there's been stranger political shifts.

On October 23 2020 05:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2020 05:08 plasmidghost wrote:
If anyone's curious about Texas numbers, we're tracking all vote totals and may end up surpassing 2016 early vote totals by Sunday

https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-early-voting-numbers/

So we are looking at a very high turnout basically? Or is it just the pandemic situation that changes people's habits?

I've been seeing lots of caution thrown around on trying to gauge too much from just early voting, especially from such unprecedented times with COVID. But Nate Silver believes it will be "154 million, with an 80th percentile range between 144 million and 165 million. In 2016, turnout was 137 million, by comparison." This is based off sky-high enthusiasm from both parties and expanded voting options.

I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
October 22 2020 20:56 GMT
#55565
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Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
October 22 2020 22:28 GMT
#55566
But, but, but it's so hard to vote. Without a national holiday for voting we have crushing disenfranchisement. People are too poor and dumb to use the myriad ways that we have currently to have a legitimate election that doesn't benefit GOP (because we need excuses for Democrat losses). Voting is super simple and easy - no excuses from either side about fake fraud claims or disenfranchisement balogne.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 22 2020 22:34 GMT
#55567
On October 23 2020 07:28 Wegandi wrote:
But, but, but it's so hard to vote. Without a national holiday for voting we have crushing disenfranchisement. People are too poor and dumb to use the myriad ways that we have currently to have a legitimate election that doesn't benefit GOP (because we need excuses for Democrat losses). Voting is super simple and easy - no excuses from either side about fake fraud claims or disenfranchisement balogne.

Wildly varies per state and per county. The problem isn't that no one has an easy time voting, Oregon is of course a very distinguished state in that regard. The issue is that some states are very bad about it. There should be ballot boxes all over every town in America and we should be able to vote for a full month ahead of time. And people should automatically be registered to vote and receive their ballot in the mail.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-22 22:43:46
October 22 2020 22:42 GMT
#55568
On October 23 2020 07:28 Wegandi wrote:
But, but, but it's so hard to vote. Without a national holiday for voting we have crushing disenfranchisement. People are too poor and dumb to use the myriad ways that we have currently to have a legitimate election that doesn't benefit GOP (because we need excuses for Democrat losses). Voting is super simple and easy - no excuses from either side about fake fraud claims or disenfranchisement balogne.

Except Election Day still isn't a national holiday, voting in many states still takes several hours instead of several minutes, and many states still look for any excuse whatsoever to strip voting rights away from certain groups, and make it difficult to get them back, or just flat out impossible. Some states still don't allow early voting. Like... I literally don't even know what you think you're saying in light of that statistic. Turnout is up despite the difficulty for some to vote, not because of it.

If voting is easy for you, congratulations. Enjoy the privilege. Not everyone has it.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-22 23:25:34
October 22 2020 23:15 GMT
#55569
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9642 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-22 23:53:37
October 22 2020 23:51 GMT
#55570
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46246 Posts
October 22 2020 23:58 GMT
#55571
One hour until the debate. Here's one of the livestreams:
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27236 Posts
October 23 2020 00:14 GMT
#55572
On October 23 2020 07:28 Wegandi wrote:
But, but, but it's so hard to vote. Without a national holiday for voting we have crushing disenfranchisement. People are too poor and dumb to use the myriad ways that we have currently to have a legitimate election that doesn't benefit GOP (because we need excuses for Democrat losses). Voting is super simple and easy - no excuses from either side about fake fraud claims or disenfranchisement balogne.

Alternatively just make it as easy as possible without enabling fraud?

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-23 01:13:21
October 23 2020 00:54 GMT
#55573
Trump campaign's last ditch effort is now to bring some dude Tony Bobulinski to the debate who can apparently tie Joe to being involved in Hunter's company . Tony held some weird press conference without answering questions and apparently has 3 phones that he'll give to the FBI (?)

I wonder if Trump will just hammer on about Hunter all night.
Neosteel Enthusiast
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 23 2020 00:58 GMT
#55574
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27236 Posts
October 23 2020 01:00 GMT
#55575
On October 23 2020 09:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Trump campaign's last ditch effort is now to bring some dude Tony Babulinski to the debate who can apparently tie Joe to being involved in Hunter's company . Tony held some weird press conference without answering questions and apparently has 3 phones that he'll give to the FBI (?)

I wonder if Trump will just hammer on about Hunter all night.

At this stage I’m just hoping Jerry Springer shows up and reveals that Hunter is actually Donald’s son.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 23 2020 01:06 GMT
#55576
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 23 2020 01:10 GMT
#55577
On October 23 2020 07:28 Wegandi wrote:
But, but, but it's so hard to vote. Without a national holiday for voting we have crushing disenfranchisement. People are too poor and dumb to use the myriad ways that we have currently to have a legitimate election that doesn't benefit GOP (because we need excuses for Democrat losses). Voting is super simple and easy - no excuses from either side about fake fraud claims or disenfranchisement balogne.

I favor the holiday option or absentee ballots given by request and without excuse.

Absentees without excuse are the law in 34 states already. In the rest, it's common to simply state that you'll be out of the county or working that day.

I too find the current statements of implied disenfranchisement to be worthy of mockery. But, then again, they have a trend of separating out the serious from the unserious people around, so I suppose they're of some use.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 23 2020 01:11 GMT
#55578
Biden is starting rather strong today. Trump is his usual self so far.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
October 23 2020 01:14 GMT
#55579
Why'd d00dsmack get banned? Don't see a mention of it in the feedback thread.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 23 2020 01:14 GMT
#55580
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