I'd say the means could have been a bit better, which put doubt on the end result. And casting doubt is what this administration is good at.
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I'd say the means could have been a bit better, which put doubt on the end result. And casting doubt is what this administration is good at. | ||
plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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farvacola
United States18768 Posts
On October 23 2020 02:29 plasmidghost wrote: Texas is (hopefully) going blue this year. Our early voting numbers are already at greater than 35% of total registered voters in all the major counties and based on polls I read (which I wish I could find the specific ones again), Biden has an advantage of ~62-35 for those who are voting by mail or early in-person. I would say that by the time the early voting concludes here on the 30th, we'll have a total turnout of about 65% if previous trends hold regarding the first two and last two days of early voting having roughly the same amount of people. Given that the election day vote projections have Trump ahead ~62-35, this would be enough to tip the state blue for the first time since Carter ran in 1976 Cool, thanks for the local view | ||
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 23 2020 02:15 JimmiC wrote: See this whole time I thought you thought Trump had not committed crimes. That you don't think they would win in court because because of lack of probably cause is much more reasonable. To me though, having a president that everyone knows is committing a bunch of crimes is bad, even if he can't yet be prosecuted in the court. Odd to me that you would vote for someone you believe to be doing illegal acts. I don't think he committed crimes with respect to collusion, I only said i don't approve of him asking Russia publicly to find hillarys emails. But him saying that publicly would not justify some sort of trumped up collusion investigation. And the trump tower thing was likely just a sting with no real collusion substance behind it. Look the whole collusion investigation story is a complicated series of events that is difficult to hammer out. | ||
plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
You're welcome! For more perspective on why this year is the prime year for us to go blue, it's all thanks to the blue wave of 2018. A lot of the major counties, including mine (Harris) went hard Democratic. Our county judge, Lina Hidalgo, was elected then and saw the need for early voting to be super accessible to everyone and decided to triple the number of early voting locations we had in 2016 (we're currently at 122, with ten of them being drive-thru locations). For hard numbers, Harris has ~2.48 million registered voters and as of the end of day yesterday, we're at 874,000 people having already voted early or by mail, for a total voter turnout rate of 35.2%. With trends in the last two cycles of voting, wherein Obama won by less than 1,000 votes in 2012 and Clinton won by ~150,000 votes in 2016, I do predict that the Biden numbers are going to be even more one-sided. As for more early voting, our locations are going to be open until 10 pm next week and on Thursday evening, a few of them will be open continuously until Friday evening. Since similar is happening in Austin, Dallas-Fort Worth, and San Antonio, and Trump's current polling average being only a 0.6% lead, I think we can flip it. I know I'm voting straight Democratic before Election Day and a surprisingly large amount of my family that went for Trump in 2016 are abstaining from voting this year because while they're all Republicans, they're super disillusioned with Trump. | ||
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 23 2020 01:29 Biff The Understudy wrote: That's not my point. If you cared one bit about corruption and nepotism you wouldn't even consider voting for Trump in a million year. Seeing you insisting on every little piece of Hunter Biden story evidence however doubtful is painful to watch. That you then accuse anyone of being the pawn of Iran is so ironic it gives me a headache. I mean, how do you expect to be taken seriously? You appear to have missed my point that "one might view this as minor in comparison to one's view of trump - but it's still worth being reported on." | ||
Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22790 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7653 Posts
On October 23 2020 03:04 Doodsmack wrote: You appear to have missed my point that "one might view this as minor in comparison to one's view of trump - but it's still worth being reported on." Glad to see you deploying as much energy to report on the dozens of actually proven scandals concerning Trump and that you take them as seriously as you would like people to take that one about Biden. Let's be clear, if that story about Biden is true and verified, I'm happy it's in the open. People need to know who they are voting for. The fact that it's you deploying so much effort with doubtful sources to bring it to attention when you are supporting a guy that is the quintessence of nepotism, corruption and dishonesty is just sad to witness. If you think that morality and honesty matter so little that you are still voting for Trump, you are the last person who should talk about anything morally wrong Biden - or any politician you oppose - ever did. | ||
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 23 2020 03:28 JimmiC wrote: I'm assuming tonight is all going to be about Trump bringing up Hunter Biden. My question is does anyone think this will move the needle? I know that his supporters will think they are great gotcha's, but with the independents care? I have a feeling the debate really won't matter to anyone as far as decision making goes. No. Republican strategists who aren't on the campaign are all tearing their hair out about it because literally no one gives a shit about it besides their base. (I've seen Frank Luntz and Huckabee at least say this. Mark Meadows is also saying investigations won't find much). On October 23 2020 03:30 Biff The Understudy wrote: Glad to see you deploying as much energy to report on the dozens of actually proven scandals concerning Trump and that you take them as seriously as you would like people to take that one about Biden. Let's be clear, if that story about Biden is true and verified, I'm happy it's in the open. People need to know who they are voting for. The fact that it's you deploying so much effort with doubtful sources to bring it to attention when you are supporting a guy that is the quintessence of nepotism, corruption and dishonesty is just sad to witness. If you think that morality and honesty matter so little that you are still voting for Trump, you are the last person who should talk about anything morally wrong Biden - or any politician you oppose - ever did. Note how it hasn't been picked up by any non-rw outlet yet even as a rumor. Not even the fairly hackish ones like Mediaite, the Hill, or Axios are touching it. It's a bad sign for the truth of the story. Note the language used where they talk about how they got this stuff. Their cited source, the senate homeland security committee, is one of the most partisan committees in the Senate, and the fact that it contains at least one of the same emails as Rudy's is probably proof to distrust it already. Note that they don't even say the HSC provided it : they say it was given to the HSC, but not by who. It could have been the NY Post or Rudy Giuliani. We don't know. The difference between this and Comey is that Comey was not viewed as one of Trump's allies. The members of the Homeland Security committee are a who's who of Trump allies, with Romney as the only real exception. If the Senate Intel Committee had released it, then it might be worth examination. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States21783 Posts
“If elected, what I will do is I’ll put together a national commission of, a bipartisan commission of scholars, constitutional scholars, Democrats, Republicans, liberal, conservative,” Biden said. “And I will ask them to, over 180 days, to come back to me with recommendations as to how to reform the court system, because it’s getting out of whack, the way in which it’s being handled.” “And it’s not about court-packing,” he added. “There’s a number of other things that constitutional scholars have debated, and I’d look to see what recommendations that commission might make.” That's about as non-committal as he could keep being. Regardless, Republicans will reject it (even though he'll have bent over backwards to appease them) then use the support for the 'compromises' to drive their own reforms and further cementing their control. Definitely can't pack the court (or pass anything he's promised) without getting rid of the filibuster, which he specifically rejected (WaPo has him as a "no" on court packing too). | ||
Mohdoo
United States15081 Posts
It’s not totally clear. The New York Post, which published the first installments of the leaked emails, claimed they proved Joe Biden met with an adviser to Ukrainian energy company Burisma, where Hunter Biden was a board member. But the emails alone don’t substantiate the claim. There are major holes in this narrative. Shokin was not actively investigating Burisma at the time of his dismissal, and it was the widely held position of the international community — not just Biden’s view — that the Ukrainian prosecutor was corrupt. Even Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), who has been investigating the Bidens, supported Shokin’s ouster and reform of the prosecutor’s office at the time. Last year, a parade of high-level State Department and national security officials testified under oath that removing Shokin would increase the odds of a serious investigation of Burisma. On a more basic level, there is still no proof the email is real — Pozharskyi has not replied to multiple requests for comment about whether he wrote it — or that such a meeting ever occurred. Biden aides have strenuously denied any such meeting ever happened. Fox News has since reported, citing anonymous sources, that “the big guy” is a reference to Joe Biden. But there is no evidence that Hunter Biden ever struck a deal with the Chinese company, let alone that his father got a cut—income from China does not appear in Biden’s tax returns, including from the year of the alleged transaction. However, there are giant blinking warning signs about the documents, their provenance and the timing of their disclosure. For one: The primary driver of the episode is Giuliani. Giuliani has been seeking to obtain and promote anti-Biden material for two years, consorting with foreign actors deemed by U.S. intelligence and the State Department to be corrupt. Giuliani traveled to Ukraine last December and met with Andrii Derkach, a Ukrainian lawmaker. The intelligence community and Treasury recently labeled him a longtime Russian operative. Intel agencies have already assessed that Russia’s efforts to interfere in the 2020 election, in part through Derkach, are intended to damage Joe Biden and aid Trump’s reelection. For months, Derkach has been peddling allegations of criminality against Biden that are remarkably similar to the broad strokes of the initial New York Post story. And The New York Times recently revealed the inner machinations of the New York Post newsroom as it began crafting stories about Hunter Biden’s emails. Per the Times, veteran reporters refused to put their names on the story, and one of the two reporters whose names appeared on the byline didn’t realize she would be included as a coauthor until after the stories ran. 4. Is the laptop Russian disinformation? We don’t know. Trump allies, who insist the laptop has shown evidence of criminality by the Bidens, have derided claims that the material is “disinformation” from Russia. And Trump’s top intelligence community official, John Ratcliffe, has flatly declared that there is no evidence the emails are Russian disinformation at all. The FBI has declined to weigh in publicly. Unless anything written in this article is disputed, it does not feel appropriate to assume Joe Biden did anything wrong. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/22/hunter-biden-giuliani-hard-drive-431022 | ||
Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On October 23 2020 03:28 JimmiC wrote: I'm assuming tonight is all going to be about Trump bringing up Hunter Biden. My question is does anyone think this will move the needle? I know that his supporters will think they are great gotcha's, but with the independents care? I have a feeling the debate really won't matter to anyone as far as decision making goes. I'd be surprised if there are a significant number of undecideds at this point. I really wish Biden would turn it around and go after Trump's family with their overt grifting and nepotism but he probably won't. In other news, the Trump administration had a secret "pilot" program of separating kids from family and deporting the parents even before the one that caused the big outcry. 545 kids still have missing parents, and two thirds of the parents are believed to have been deported without their kids. I wonder how many of them are dead given that they were fleeing from violence in their home countries. But NBC News also reported that summer that the Trump administration had already separated more than 1,700 families under a 2017 "pilot" program. In a separate ruling, a federal judge in California appointed lawyers from the ACLU and other organizations to a "steering committee" to help locate and reunite those families, according to NBC News. The ACLU's filing this week concerned families separated under the pilot program, which Justice in Motion, a member of the steering committee, has been physically searching for in Mexico and Central America, NBC News reported. https://www.businessinsider.com/parents-of-545-migrant-children-separated-by-trump-missing-lawyers-2020-10 | ||
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6155 Posts
There's a little too much misery in this thread though. There's enough damage done in the last four years that a couple more weeks is hopefully not going to change much. Mcconnell sinking any stimulus until next year is the cherry on top of a pretty disastrous year. https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/22/dutch-hacker-trump-twitter-account-password/ A Dutch security researcher says he accessed President Trump’s @realDonaldTrump Twitter account last week by guessing his password: “maga2020!”. ... It’s the second time Gevers has gained access to Trump’s Twitter account. The first time was in 2016, when Gevers and two others extracted and cracked Trump’s password from the 2012 LinkedIn breach. The researchers took his password — “yourefired” — his catchphrase from the television show The Apprentice — and found it let them into his Twitter account. Gevers reported the breach to local authorities in the Netherlands, with suggestions on how Trump could improve his password security. One of the passwords he suggested at the time was “maga2020!” he said. Gevers said he “did not expect” the password to work years later. Probably a good reminder that people this incompetent are making decisions about technology. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States21783 Posts
does not feel appropriate to assume Joe Biden did anything wrong. Biden's mistake was not nipping the nepotism in the bud when they put Hunter on Amtrak. Which he went on to unironically use as justification for being qualified for the Burisma bribe job. | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands20754 Posts
On October 23 2020 03:59 Doodsmack wrote: I have explained this to you before this is the price Trump and his administration pay for lying about everything constantly. No one will believe them.Just lazy trust of liberal outlets and lazy distrust of no liberal ones. Despite all the documents, the argument in this thread "the FBI should be ignored on this, the DNI should be ignored, yhe DOJ and conservative outlets should be ignored." Granted I will not be able to convince you otherwise but you should at least be aware of how stubborn your standpoint is on what info should be considered. Only if liberal outlets will report on it will you believe it - a very short sighted and close minded viewpoint. You know, basic 'boy who cried wolf' shit. | ||
Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Credibility is a resource that can never be regained once lost. I remember the last time someone posted James O'Keefe in this thread : I pointed out I didn't even need to bother reading the story given the source. Same thing here with doodsmack's sources. The last time I bothered going down the rabbit hole on one, it was absurdly wrong. | ||
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 23 2020 04:04 Gorsameth wrote: I have explained this to you before this is the price Trump and his administration pay for lying about everything constantly. No one will believe them. You know, basic 'boy who cried wolf' shit. You're actually calling into question the venerated "career civil servants" at the FBI though. | ||
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