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On October 23 2020 02:15 JimmiC wrote:



See this whole time I thought you thought Trump had not committed crimes. That you don't think they would win in court because because of lack of probably cause is much more reasonable.

To me though, having a president that everyone knows is committing a bunch of crimes is bad, even if he can't yet be prosecuted in the court. Odd to me that you would vote for someone you believe to be doing illegal acts.

On October 23 2020 01:29 Biff The Understudy wrote:

That's not my point. If you cared one bit about corruption and nepotism you wouldn't even consider voting for Trump in a million year. Seeing you insisting on every little piece of Hunter Biden story evidence however doubtful is painful to watch. That you then accuse anyone of being the pawn of Iran is so ironic it gives me a headache.

I mean, how do you expect to be taken seriously?

On October 23 2020 03:04 Doodsmack wrote:


You appear to have missed my point that "one might view this as minor in comparison to one's view of trump - but it's still worth being reported on."

On October 23 2020 03:28 JimmiC wrote:
I'm assuming tonight is all going to be about Trump bringing up Hunter Biden. My question is does anyone think this will move the needle? I know that his supporters will think they are great gotcha's, but with the independents care? I have a feeling the debate really won't matter to anyone as far as decision making goes.

On October 23 2020 03:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:

Glad to see you deploying as much energy to report on the dozens of actually proven scandals concerning Trump and that you take them as seriously as you would like people to take that one about Biden.

Let's be clear, if that story about Biden is true and verified, I'm happy it's in the open. People need to know who they are voting for. The fact that it's you deploying so much effort with doubtful sources to bring it to attention when you are supporting a guy that is the quintessence of nepotism, corruption and dishonesty is just sad to witness.

If you think that morality and honesty matter so little that you are still voting for Trump, you are the last person who should talk about anything morally wrong Biden - or any politician you oppose - ever did.

“If elected, what I will do is I’ll put together a national commission of, a bipartisan commission of scholars, constitutional scholars, Democrats, Republicans, liberal, conservative,” Biden said. “And I will ask them to, over 180 days, to come back to me with recommendations as to how to reform the court system, because it’s getting out of whack, the way in which it’s being handled.”

“And it’s not about court-packing,” he added. “There’s a number of other things that constitutional scholars have debated, and I’d look to see what recommendations that commission might make.”

It’s not totally clear. The New York Post, which published the first installments of the leaked emails, claimed they proved Joe Biden met with an adviser to Ukrainian energy company Burisma, where Hunter Biden was a board member. But the emails alone don’t substantiate the claim.

There are major holes in this narrative. Shokin was not actively investigating Burisma at the time of his dismissal, and it was the widely held position of the international community — not just Biden’s view — that the Ukrainian prosecutor was corrupt. Even Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), who has been investigating the Bidens, supported Shokin’s ouster and reform of the prosecutor’s office at the time. Last year, a parade of high-level State Department and national security officials testified under oath that removing Shokin would increase the odds of a serious investigation of Burisma.

On a more basic level, there is still no proof the email is real — Pozharskyi has not replied to multiple requests for comment about whether he wrote it — or that such a meeting ever occurred. Biden aides have strenuously denied any such meeting ever happened.

Fox News has since reported, citing anonymous sources, that “the big guy” is a reference to Joe Biden. But there is no evidence that Hunter Biden ever struck a deal with the Chinese company, let alone that his father got a cut—income from China does not appear in Biden’s tax returns, including from the year of the alleged transaction.

However, there are giant blinking warning signs about the documents, their provenance and the timing of their disclosure. For one: The primary driver of the episode is Giuliani. Giuliani has been seeking to obtain and promote anti-Biden material for two years, consorting with foreign actors deemed by U.S. intelligence and the State Department to be corrupt.

Giuliani traveled to Ukraine last December and met with Andrii Derkach, a Ukrainian lawmaker. The intelligence community and Treasury recently labeled him a longtime Russian operative. Intel agencies have already assessed that Russia’s efforts to interfere in the 2020 election, in part through Derkach, are intended to damage Joe Biden and aid Trump’s reelection. For months, Derkach has been peddling allegations of criminality against Biden that are remarkably similar to the broad strokes of the initial New York Post story.

And The New York Times recently revealed the inner machinations of the New York Post newsroom as it began crafting stories about Hunter Biden’s emails. Per the Times, veteran reporters refused to put their names on the story, and one of the two reporters whose names appeared on the byline didn’t realize she would be included as a coauthor until after the stories ran.

4. Is the laptop Russian disinformation?
We don’t know. Trump allies, who insist the laptop has shown evidence of criminality by the Bidens, have derided claims that the material is “disinformation” from Russia. And Trump’s top intelligence community official, John Ratcliffe, has flatly declared that there is no evidence the emails are Russian disinformation at all. The FBI has declined to weigh in publicly.

On October 23 2020 03:28 JimmiC wrote:
I'm assuming tonight is all going to be about Trump bringing up Hunter Biden. My question is does anyone think this will move the needle? I know that his supporters will think they are great gotcha's, but with the independents care? I have a feeling the debate really won't matter to anyone as far as decision making goes.

But NBC News also reported that summer that the Trump administration had already separated more than 1,700 families under a 2017 "pilot" program. In a separate ruling, a federal judge in California appointed lawyers from the ACLU and other organizations to a "steering committee" to help locate and reunite those families, according to NBC News.

The ACLU's filing this week concerned families separated under the pilot program, which Justice in Motion, a member of the steering committee, has been physically searching for in Mexico and Central America, NBC News reported.

A Dutch security researcher says he accessed President Trump’s @realDonaldTrump Twitter account last week by guessing his password: “maga2020!”.
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It’s the second time Gevers has gained access to Trump’s Twitter account.

The first time was in 2016, when Gevers and two others extracted and cracked Trump’s password from the 2012 LinkedIn breach. The researchers took his password — “yourefired” — his catchphrase from the television show The Apprentice — and found it let them into his Twitter account. Gevers reported the breach to local authorities in the Netherlands, with suggestions on how Trump could improve his password security. One of the passwords he suggested at the time was “maga2020!” he said. Gevers said he “did not expect” the password to work years later.

does not feel appropriate to assume Joe Biden did anything wrong.

On October 23 2020 03:59 Doodsmack wrote:
Just lazy trust of liberal outlets and lazy distrust of no liberal ones. Despite all the documents, the argument in this thread "the FBI should be ignored on this, the DNI should be ignored, yhe DOJ and conservative outlets should be ignored." Granted I will not be able to convince you otherwise but you should at least be aware of how stubborn your standpoint is on what info should be considered. Only if liberal outlets will report on it will you believe it - a very short sighted and close minded viewpoint.

On October 23 2020 04:04 Gorsameth wrote:
I have explained this to you before this is the price Trump and his administration pay for lying about everything constantly. No one will believe them.

You know, basic 'boy who cried wolf' shit.