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Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
October 21 2020 18:31 GMT
#55461
Does anyone else think Trump is acting strange. All his rally have just been so odd. Like instead of the 2016 type rallies where he big and bombastic we are getting wining and complaining Trump. Like his last couple have been he is leaving if Biden wins and nobody likes him. Like I thought his whole thing was that he was this big alpha man.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
October 21 2020 18:45 GMT
#55462
On October 22 2020 03:31 Shingi11 wrote:
Does anyone else think Trump is acting strange. All his rally have just been so odd. Like instead of the 2016 type rallies where he big and bombastic we are getting wining and complaining Trump. Like his last couple have been he is leaving if Biden wins and nobody likes him. Like I thought his whole thing was that he was this big alpha man.


I haven't watched them, but he has a hell of a lot more to lose this time than 2016. He's probably feeling scared considering all the litigation lined up once he's no longer immune, plus all of the powerful enemies he has made. Considering how willingly he throws his associates under the bus, I'm sure he's expecting the same from people who are his temporary allies right now due to his holding the presidency.
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
October 21 2020 18:47 GMT
#55463
On October 22 2020 01:23 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2020 00:24 Nevuk wrote:

I didn't say it was proof of corruption. I said it was proof we were going to see more evidence of corruption before election day.


A distinction without a difference if I ever saw one. You have no reason (other than partisanship/Trump hatred) to assume that merely having a bank account in China is evidence that signs of corruption will be coming out. You're just trying to criminalize everything about Trump.


Why are you even pretending that you'll care?

After all, it's DOJ policy that the President is above the law, so everything Trump does is going to be 'not illegal' under your schema and therefore not worth talking about.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 21 2020 18:50 GMT
#55464
On October 22 2020 03:31 Shingi11 wrote:
Does anyone else think Trump is acting strange. All his rally have just been so odd. Like instead of the 2016 type rallies where he big and bombastic we are getting wining and complaining Trump. Like his last couple have been he is leaving if Biden wins and nobody likes him. Like I thought his whole thing was that he was this big alpha man.


I think the Trump campaign was ahead of the curve regarding data analytics in 2016. They were right to say polls were wrong. Different story in 2020. 2016 was not good for public confidence in polling. They likely spent the last 4 years figuring out how things have changed and how to improve. If Trump's data looks similar to everyone else's, he appears to not be well positioned right now.

His life will be flat out miserable if he loses in 2020. This isn't just a fight for power, its a fight for a way of life.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 21 2020 19:10 GMT
#55465
Just voted by early ballot. Sent it in by mail despite all the concern about said system because honestly, all the drop-off options seem pretty bad.

Ended up going with libertarian for president, because they were on the ballot and were neither major party. Trump is horrendous for all the obvious reason, and I can't stomach voting for a ticket as deeply bad as Biden-Harris. Nothing interesting on the down-ballot, as usual.

I'm quite certain at this point that Biden will win this one with a comfortable margin, and I would be very surprised if Trump pulled that win off. If it somehow comes down to a couple hundred votes in a couple key states leading to Biden < Trump - oh well, maybe Biden should've campaigned as anything other than a Republican in all but name. I'm not really willing to play the lesser evilism game any more.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 21 2020 19:12 GMT
#55466
On October 22 2020 03:47 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2020 01:23 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 22 2020 00:24 Nevuk wrote:

I didn't say it was proof of corruption. I said it was proof we were going to see more evidence of corruption before election day.


A distinction without a difference if I ever saw one. You have no reason (other than partisanship/Trump hatred) to assume that merely having a bank account in China is evidence that signs of corruption will be coming out. You're just trying to criminalize everything about Trump.


Why are you even pretending that you'll care?

After all, it's DOJ policy that the President is above the law, so everything Trump does is going to be 'not illegal' under your schema and therefore not worth talking about.


How on earth is it nefarious to have a bank account in China?
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
October 21 2020 19:17 GMT
#55467
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/10/aocs-twitch-streaming-debut-attracts-over-435000-among-us-viewers/

AOC is definitely reaching the younger demographic and making an impact. 400+k watching her stream rivals or exceeds a lot of esports tournaments
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 21 2020 19:31 GMT
#55468
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-21 19:37:01
October 21 2020 19:33 GMT
#55469
Running any business at all while president is nefarious.

Which is why Trump promised, way back when, to put it all in a blind trust. Absolutely no proof he ever did.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-21 19:47:09
October 21 2020 19:41 GMT
#55470
On October 22 2020 04:31 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2020 04:12 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 22 2020 03:47 iamthedave wrote:
On October 22 2020 01:23 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 22 2020 00:24 Nevuk wrote:

I didn't say it was proof of corruption. I said it was proof we were going to see more evidence of corruption before election day.


A distinction without a difference if I ever saw one. You have no reason (other than partisanship/Trump hatred) to assume that merely having a bank account in China is evidence that signs of corruption will be coming out. You're just trying to criminalize everything about Trump.


Why are you even pretending that you'll care?

After all, it's DOJ policy that the President is above the law, so everything Trump does is going to be 'not illegal' under your schema and therefore not worth talking about.


How on earth is it nefarious to have a bank account in China?

Wait are we now requiring proof before we start claiming something is nefarious. I thought all that was needed was some loose facts and a bunch of presumptions?


Well you'd certainly need something beyond "he has a bank account in China."

BTW the story has still not been verified by any other outlets. And I presume you apply your "verification" standard regardless of whether the story is about trump.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10011 Posts
October 21 2020 19:45 GMT
#55471
On October 22 2020 04:17 Lmui wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/10/aocs-twitch-streaming-debut-attracts-over-435000-among-us-viewers/

AOC is definitely reaching the younger demographic and making an impact. 400+k watching her stream rivals or exceeds a lot of esports tournaments

Well being the single contact point between gamers and politicians probably helps
RIP Meatloaf <3
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-21 20:44:21
October 21 2020 19:48 GMT
#55472
On October 22 2020 04:41 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2020 04:31 JimmiC wrote:
On October 22 2020 04:12 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 22 2020 03:47 iamthedave wrote:
On October 22 2020 01:23 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 22 2020 00:24 Nevuk wrote:

I didn't say it was proof of corruption. I said it was proof we were going to see more evidence of corruption before election day.


A distinction without a difference if I ever saw one. You have no reason (other than partisanship/Trump hatred) to assume that merely having a bank account in China is evidence that signs of corruption will be coming out. You're just trying to criminalize everything about Trump.


Why are you even pretending that you'll care?

After all, it's DOJ policy that the President is above the law, so everything Trump does is going to be 'not illegal' under your schema and therefore not worth talking about.


How on earth is it nefarious to have a bank account in China?

Wait are we now requiring proof before we start claiming something is nefarious. I thought all that was needed was some loose facts and a bunch of presumptions?


Well you'd certainly need something beyond "he has a bank account in China."

BTW the story has still not been verified by any other outlets. And I presume you apply your "verification" standard regardless of whether the story is about trump.

That's because Trump's company confirmed it.
A lawyer for the Trump Organization told the Times that the company had opened the account to pay local taxes related to efforts to do business in China.


Also, the latest Borat/Giuliani thing is uh, something. (Giuliani appears to be trying to initiate sex with a woman edit: apparently this is misreporting by twitter and the guardian. Definitely confirmed is the flirting with a woman who was being played as being 15 after she got him to agree to eat a bat with her. She was 25 and didn't tell him she was 15, but still, ew.).



The reputation of Rudy Giuliani could be set for a further blow with the release of highly embarrassing footage in Sacha Baron Cohen’s follow-up to Borat.

In the film, released on Friday, the former New York mayor and current personal attorney to Donald Trump is seen reaching into his trousers and apparently touching his genitals while reclining on a bed in the presence of the actor playing Borat’s daughter, who is posing as a TV journalist.
Borat Subsequent Moviefilm review – cinema's top troll goes baiting in Trump's US

Following an obsequious interview for a fake conservative news programme, the pair retreat at her suggestion for a drink to the bedroom of a hotel suite, which is rigged with concealed cameras.

After she removes his microphone, Giuliani, 76, can be seen lying back on the bed, fiddling with his untucked shirt and reaching into his trousers. They are then interrupted by Borat who runs in and says: “She’s 15. She’s too old for you.”

Via Guardian
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 21 2020 20:19 GMT
#55473
Certainly a very 2020 story but id hold off on the "initiating sex" part. This from mother jones:

Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-21 20:28:49
October 21 2020 20:23 GMT
#55474
Ty, thanks for the heads-up. I'm guessing it looks super bad in context, but still bad in context. (The screenshots are pretty crazy, but I can definitely see it being out of context). We'll be able to know for ourselves tomorrow for sure. I've strikedthrough the portion in my post about it.
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
October 21 2020 20:23 GMT
#55475
On October 22 2020 05:19 Doodsmack wrote:
Certainly a very 2020 story but id hold off on the "initiating sex" part. This from mother jones:

https://twitter.com/bendreyfuss/status/1319001450597396480

This I agree on, no judging anything before having actually seen the scene (I have not)
NoiR
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2952 Posts
October 21 2020 20:29 GMT
#55476
On October 22 2020 04:48 Nevuk wrote:

Also, the latest Borat/Giuliani thing is uh, something. (Giuliani appears to be trying to initiate sex with a woman who he thought was 15 after she got him to agree to eat a bat with her. She was 25, but ew.).


Wait, did giuliani think the girl was 15? I did not get that from the guardian article.

It's still very creepy that a 70 something year old is hitting on someone who looks like a teenager anyway.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-21 20:44:46
October 21 2020 20:43 GMT
#55477
On October 22 2020 05:29 EnDeR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2020 04:48 Nevuk wrote:

Also, the latest Borat/Giuliani thing is uh, something. (Giuliani appears to be trying to initiate sex with a woman who he thought was 15 after she got him to agree to eat a bat with her. She was 25, but ew.).


Wait, did giuliani think the girl was 15? I did not get that from the guardian article.

It's still very creepy that a 70 something year old is hitting on someone who looks like a teenager anyway.

Ah, he didn't. The Guardian really didn't make that clear, as she is apparently continually referred to as being 15 in the movie.

The Daily Beast's review is much more responsible :

Posing as a conservative journalist in the mold of Tomi Lahren—albeit with a strong eastern European accent—Tutar sits down with Giuliani in a Manhattan hotel suite for an “interview” in which she mostly flatters him into creepily flirting with her. “I’ll relax you, you want me to ask you a question?” Giuliani says as she giggles in response. After blaming China for the coronavirus, he agrees to “eat a bat” with his interviewer, who repeatedly touches his knee to egg him on.

Baron Cohen first interrupts the interview dressed as a sound engineer with a large boom mic, but leaves before it’s over. At that point, Tutar offers to “have a drink in the bedroom” with Giuliani, who happily obliges.

On what appear to be hidden cameras, we see Giuliani remove her microphone and ask for her phone number and address as he sits down on the bed. He starts patting her backside as she removes the microphone from his pants. Giuliani then lies down on the bed and starts sticking his hands down his pants in a seemingly suggestive manner.

But before anything more can happen, Borat bursts into the room and shouts, “Put down your chram!”—his preferred word for penis. “She’s 15! She’s too old for you!”

The startled Giuliani, who had no reason to believe his interviewer was underage, sits up abruptly and gets out of there as fast as he can. “Rudy, Trump will be disappoint! You are leaving hotel without golden shower!” Borat yells after him.

After that, the film concludes with one more big and hilarious reveal that we won’t be spoiling here.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-rudy-giuliani-got-caught-red-handed-with-borats-daughter?via=twitter_page
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2952 Posts
October 21 2020 20:57 GMT
#55478
I mean, don't get me wrong, it's still creepy as hell, but pedophilia is something else.
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
October 21 2020 21:03 GMT
#55479
On October 22 2020 04:12 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2020 03:47 iamthedave wrote:
On October 22 2020 01:23 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 22 2020 00:24 Nevuk wrote:

I didn't say it was proof of corruption. I said it was proof we were going to see more evidence of corruption before election day.


A distinction without a difference if I ever saw one. You have no reason (other than partisanship/Trump hatred) to assume that merely having a bank account in China is evidence that signs of corruption will be coming out. You're just trying to criminalize everything about Trump.


Why are you even pretending that you'll care?

After all, it's DOJ policy that the President is above the law, so everything Trump does is going to be 'not illegal' under your schema and therefore not worth talking about.


How on earth is it nefarious to have a bank account in China?


I mean in general. Don't care about the bank account in China as it stands. I imagine business people have lots of bank accounts in lots of countries.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2952 Posts
October 21 2020 21:08 GMT
#55480
On October 22 2020 06:03 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2020 04:12 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 22 2020 03:47 iamthedave wrote:
On October 22 2020 01:23 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 22 2020 00:24 Nevuk wrote:

I didn't say it was proof of corruption. I said it was proof we were going to see more evidence of corruption before election day.


A distinction without a difference if I ever saw one. You have no reason (other than partisanship/Trump hatred) to assume that merely having a bank account in China is evidence that signs of corruption will be coming out. You're just trying to criminalize everything about Trump.


Why are you even pretending that you'll care?

After all, it's DOJ policy that the President is above the law, so everything Trump does is going to be 'not illegal' under your schema and therefore not worth talking about.


How on earth is it nefarious to have a bank account in China?


I mean in general. Don't care about the bank account in China as it stands. I imagine business people have lots of bank accounts in lots of countries.


I find it humorous that he's gone out of his way to pay taxes in China (setting up a bank account as a foreign national is a pain in the ass in China), but will do anything in his power to avoid paying them in the US.
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