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Simberto
Germany12038 Posts
On October 21 2020 22:01 schaf wrote: Wouldn't such a person be sued by their donors for misusing the campaign funds? Can't you almost always claim that the thing will help you get elected by building goodwill or something like that? | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2952 Posts
On October 21 2020 21:37 Stratos_speAr wrote: I'm pretty confident in saying that no one here likes Biden. In fact, the majority of us have told you that explicitly. Unfortunately, we lost in the primary and he's all that we have left to get rid of someone that is objectively the worst president in living memory (and probably in the history of the country). I'd go further and say that Biden's setting himself up to be the 'cave-in' president of all time and is probably going to do more damage than good for progressive/liberal values even if they win the house and the senate. I'm fully expecting 4 years of Biden falling ass over backwards to please a republican leadership that will never actually compromise. Having said that, voting for Trump is voting for another 4 years of heightened societal divisions, broken norms and another thousand scandals. It's another 4 years of the most powerful man in the world re-tweeting racist garbage, pouring gasoline in the fire and amplifying dumb conspiracy theories. Trump honestly makes me question my sanity. My wife and I have started saying that we've entered 'stupid universe' at some point in the last decade, where the most unimaginable/stupid thing will always be the outcome regardless of the seriousness of the situation. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12038 Posts
On October 21 2020 23:28 JimmiC wrote: I think most of Bidens 4 years will be filling all the jobs Trump left vacant and getting the government working again. And then other than that it will be dealing the economic fallout from covid, putting back the environmental protections Trump removed and the social unrest amplified by Trump. And at the end of that, republicans will claim that he didn't repair enough of the stuff they broke. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 21 2020 22:15 iamthedave wrote: I'm 90% sure that the new and improved doodsmack doesn't care about any of Trump's misdeeds. It's not a misdeed necessarily, I mean look at Amazon they paid $0 in taxes. Clearly they are gaming the system within the bounds of the law. As for Trump's 750, if I'm not mistaken the NYT article said he paid millions in advance, and the 750 was just the amount he paid at tax time to adjust things (similar to how you get a refund or owe some money at tax time but you had taxes withheld from your paychecks all year). If I'm right on that its another instance if media misinformation that the wider left has bought into uncritically. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 21 2020 14:41 Nevuk wrote: It's the digital age. If a story like it hasn't been verified within 24 hours, it never will be. It's been almost a week now. The only thing that could be verified by a reputable news org (Fox News in this case) was just a single one of the emails. Based on how hilariously fucking lazy and contrived this whole thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if every last one of the others was faked. Also, NYT is reporting Trump has a chinese bank account and paid 180$k in taxes while paying almost nothing to the US. So yes, there's just going to be more evidence of hypocrisy and corruption coming out about him now. https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/politics/trump-china-taxes-financial-records/index.html Original NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.html?smid=tw-share Your partisanship is quite evident in how quick you are to assume that trump having a bank account in China is evidence of corruption. Btw if this story is not picked up and independently verified by other outlets within 24 hours we should assume it to be false. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10011 Posts
Literally every bad thing he has done in the last 5 years can be traced back, if you look carefully enough, to lack of critical thinking from the left. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12038 Posts
On October 22 2020 00:00 Jockmcplop wrote: Yes I would say the left and their lack of critical thinking is going to have a lot to answer for once Trump is out of office. Literally every bad thing he has done in the last 5 years can be traced back, if you look carefully enough, to lack of critical thinking from the left. Indeed. And everything good which happened during his term was directly his work. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 21 2020 23:55 Doodsmack wrote: Your partisanship is quite evident in how quick you are to assume that trump having a bank account in China is evidence of corruption. Btw if this story is not picked up and independently verified by other outlets within 24 hours we should assume it to be false. I hate democrats, but I hate authoritarians more (this is where you can differentiate me from GH : we agree economically on most things but have different priorities). Chomsky is the closest public figure to me, and even he's saying to vote democrat. GOP: you've lost the anarchists, who feel it immoral to vote, but even more immoral to support an authoritarian. I didn't say it was proof of corruption. I said it was proof we were going to see more evidence of corruption before election day. The irony is that he's accusing Biden of being cozy with China while paying something like 400x more taxes to China than to the US. Biden's also denying this stuff now, btw. In a local news interview : “Wisconsin’s Republican Senator Ron Johnson put out a statement — on Homeland Security letterhead! — saying Hunter Biden, together with other Biden family members, profited off the Biden name,” Pedersen said, and asked “Is there any legitimacy to Senator Johnson’s claims?” “None whatsoever!” an incensed Biden replied. “This is the same garbage Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s henchman, it’s a last-ditch effort in this desperate campaign to smear me and my family.” “Even the man who served with him on that committee, the former nominee for the Republican Party, said there’s no basis to this,” Biden said, referring to Utah Republican Sen. Mitt Romney. Romney denounced the committee’s probe in mid-September. “And the vast majority of the intelligence people have come out and said there’s no basis at all,” Biden said, and concluded by adding “Ron should be ashamed of himself.” https://www.mediaite.com/news/joe-biden-lashes-out-at-ron-johnson-and-trump-henchman-rudy-giuliani-over-hunter-biden-smears-should-be-ashamed/ Small news round up. Only 17% of Trump supporters who have heard of it are sure that QAnon isn't real. You know, the one about how democrats are running secret pedophile rings while worshipping satan. 50% believe it is either somewhat or fully true, and another 33% aren't sure. Granted, only 48% of his supporters have heard of it, but it's still startling. https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/10/20/half-trump-supporters-believe-qanon-theory-child-s Trump has only donated 8$k to his own campaign this year. He donated 66$ million to his last campaign. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/21/trump-cash-woes-430691 Trump has been lashing out pre-emptively at Leslie Stahl, including posting pictures of her not wearing a mask, after he walked out of a 60 minutes interview that will air on 60 minutes on Sunday. Apparently he disliked her tone. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10011 Posts
On October 22 2020 00:24 Nevuk wrote: Trump has been lashing out pre-emptively at Leslie Stahl, including posting pictures of her not wearing a mask, after he walked out of a 60 minutes interview that will air on 60 minutes on Sunday. Apparently he disliked her tone. I hope Stahl's private security are well armed. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9069 Posts
On October 22 2020 00:27 Jockmcplop wrote: I hope Stahl's private security are well armed. Is that a Putin reference? Or a Khashoggi (sp)? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22664 Posts
On October 22 2020 00:34 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Or the 2? far right plots to kidnap Democrats that got foiled recently.Is that a Putin reference? Or a Khashoggi (sp)? | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2952 Posts
On October 21 2020 23:52 Doodsmack wrote: It's not a misdeed necessarily, I mean look at Amazon they paid $0 in taxes. Clearly they are gaming the system within the bounds of the law. As for Trump's 750, if I'm not mistaken the NYT article said he paid millions in advance, and the 750 was just the amount he paid at tax time to adjust things (similar to how you get a refund or owe some money at tax time but you had taxes withheld from your paychecks all year). If I'm right on that its another instance if media misinformation that the wider left has bought into uncritically. The fact that billionaires like Trump [he's on record saying he took advantage of the tax code, he said it makes him 'smart'] and megacorporations like Amazon game the system within the bounds of the law to pay effectively zero tax should make you angry. It shouldn't matter which way you lean politically, we all pay our fair share or the system goes to shit. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On October 21 2020 23:52 Doodsmack wrote: It's not a misdeed necessarily, I mean look at Amazon they paid $0 in taxes. Clearly they are gaming the system within the bounds of the law. As for Trump's 750, if I'm not mistaken the NYT article said he paid millions in advance, and the 750 was just the amount he paid at tax time to adjust things (similar to how you get a refund or owe some money at tax time but you had taxes withheld from your paychecks all year). If I'm right on that its another instance if media misinformation that the wider left has bought into uncritically. And the number of people saying it's okay for Amazon to do that are... ? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10011 Posts
On October 22 2020 00:34 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Is that a Putin reference? Or a Khashoggi (sp)? No, I don't think Trump would go after her, but QAnon probably have saved an important place in their theory for people who wrong Trump in some way, and they are some apocalyptically mental idiots with guns. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9069 Posts
On October 22 2020 00:40 Jockmcplop wrote: No, I don't think Trump would go after her, but QAnon probably have saved an important place in their theory for people who wrong Trump in some way, and they are some apocalyptically mental idiots with guns. Ah, somehow, the plot (what a laughable thing to call it) completely slipped my mind. I read Khashoggi's wife is suing and that the Russian Opp Leader is stable or something to that affect and it wiped the Michigan "plot" out of my head. Thanks Gor and Jock. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24396 Posts
I hate democrats, but I hate authoritarians more (this is where you can differentiate me from GH : we agree economically on most things but have different priorities). Don't think this is accurate but I don't have a very clear picture in my mind of your politics/priorities. Other than voting for Biden which I find to be emptyheaded in most cases I've encountered. No one likes Biden, but if he wins I expect his voters/supporters to constantly make excuses for him and Democrats enacting less socially regressive Republican policy. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On October 22 2020 00:38 EnDeR_ wrote: The fact that billionaires like Trump [he's on record saying how smart he is for taking advantage of the tax code, he said it makes him 'smart'] and megacorporations like Amazon game the system within the bounds of the law to pay effectively zero tax should make you angry. It shouldn't matter which way you lean politically, we all pay our fair share or the system goes to shit. It's also extraordinarily uncritical to assume that Amazon is doing nothing untoward in its tax strats anyway; the complexity and lack of transparency relative to megacorp tax laws is a problem in and of itself. The public can't really tell if megacorps are being aboveboard one way or the other, and given how many tax strats turn on legal grey areas themselves, it's silly to assume anything other than, we can't really tell what the wealthy are doing in terms of tax compliance and the opacity is a feature, not a bug. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24396 Posts
On October 22 2020 00:47 farvacola wrote: It's also extraordinarily uncritical to assume that Amazon is doing nothing untoward in its tax strats anyway; the complexity and lack of transparency relative to megacorp tax laws is a problem in and of itself. The public can't really tell if megacorps are being aboveboard one way or the other, and given how many tax strats turn on legal grey areas themselves, it's silly to assume anything other than, we can't really tell what the wealthy are doing in terms of tax compliance and the opacity is a feature, not a bug. Worth remembering the IRS said last year that it's cheaper and easier to focus on lower income taxpayers. On the one hand, the IRS said, auditing poor taxpayers is a lot easier: The agency uses relatively low-level employees to audit returns for low-income taxpayers who claim the earned income tax credit. The audits — of which there were about 380,000 last year, accounting for 39% of the total the IRS conducted — are done by mail and don’t take too much staff time, either. They are “the most efficient use of available IRS examination resources,” Rettig’s report says. On the other hand, auditing the rich is hard. It takes senior auditors hours upon hours to complete an exam. What’s more, the letter says, “the rate of attrition is significantly higher among these more experienced examiners.” As a result, the budget cuts have hit this part of the IRS particularly hard. www.propublica.org | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 22 2020 00:38 EnDeR_ wrote: The fact that billionaires like Trump [he's on record saying he took advantage of the tax code, he said it makes him 'smart'] and megacorporations like Amazon game the system within the bounds of the law to pay effectively zero tax should make you angry. It shouldn't matter which way you lean politically, we all pay our fair share or the system goes to shit. I would agree that these people should all pay their fair share and then some. I'm just not sure that under current law it's a misdeed (it's definitely not a crime). | ||
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