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On October 13 2020 05:25 Mohdoo wrote:
Is roe v wade generally considered more important than covid relief to republicans? seems pretty wild to be doing supreme court nominee clearly aimed at overturning roe v wade instead of covid. Or maybe WH and Pelosi not agreeing anyway so doesn't matter?
They are absolutely frothing at the mouth for a chance to shove in a new Supreme Court pick that will finally let them overturn benchmark cases like Roe v. Wade, as well as completing their dismantlement of the ACA. They've been real quick to abandon the precedent they themselves created when it meant an opportunity for Republicans to pack the courts, and abortion is absolutely one of their strongest issues/talking points.
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Democrats are like the town in the Boy Who Cried Wolf except the boy has grown to be a congress of septuagenarian man-children who they still go running toward every time they cry wolf (or "compromise").
At some point you have to wonder what the hell is wrong with that town.
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Despite taking the initiative to vote early, voters in Georgia are stuck in line for hours.
Voter suppression, failed government, both? There are several places like this just in Georgia already and they will simply pile up around the country as the election continues.
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On October 13 2020 10:05 GreenHorizons wrote:Despite taking the initiative to vote early, voters in Georgia are stuck in line for hours. + Show Spoiler +https://twitter.com/ByTylerEstep/status/1315662020453240833 Voter suppression, failed government, both? There are several places like this just in Georgia already and they will simply pile up around the country as the election continues.
That's scary. Do the election prediction models include voter suppression effects? All these optmistic polls might lead people to take the easy route and sit out voting when faced with a long line, or faced with an armed mob of armyfortrump.com 'pollwatchers' shouting at them.
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Lines at polling places three weeks before the election are inconveniences, not suppression. Vote in a holiday or ask voters if they want to pay more for more polling locations.
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On October 13 2020 10:20 Danglars wrote:
Lines at polling places three weeks before the election are inconveniences, not suppression. Vote in a holiday or ask voters if they want to pay more for more polling locations.
There are far poorer countries that manage to run elections better than the US. Frankly, suppression might be less damning than the level of incompetence it would require for the state to be so remarkably and uniquely bad at running elections.
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On October 13 2020 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2020 10:20 Danglars wrote:
Lines at polling places three weeks before the election are inconveniences, not suppression. Vote in a holiday or ask voters if they want to pay more for more polling locations. There are far poorer countries that manage to run elections better than the US. Frankly, suppression might be less damning than the level of incompetence it would require for the state to be so remarkably and uniquely bad at running elections.
I’m all in favor of Election Day holidays and no-cause absentee ballots. I also wait for hours early in the morning and late in the evening to vote. I don’t say the Democrats in my state are suppressing my vote. This feels more like speculation than actual demonstrated evidence (and, like Trump speculation, people should ask for evidence).
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On October 13 2020 10:20 Danglars wrote:
Lines at polling places three weeks before the election are inconveniences, not suppression. Vote in a holiday or ask voters if they want to pay more for more polling locations.
Republicans open more polling places, you are a funny one. It is a well documented fact that Republicans try and limit places that have high minority turnout and high concentration of dems to as few as possible.
Case and point texas with there one drop off point per county
Loving county texas
pop 169
1 drop off box
harris county texas
pop 4.7 mil
1 drop off box
Got to worry about that voter fraud though
Minnesota’s 0.000004% Voter Fraud Cited as GOP Suit Tossed
God look at all that voter fraud, it is a horrifying number
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On October 13 2020 10:20 Danglars wrote:
Lines at polling places three weeks before the election are inconveniences, not suppression. Vote in a holiday or ask voters if they want to pay more for more polling locations.
Polling places not being abundant enough is likely a mixture of incompetence + actual voter suppression efforts, but suggesting folks need to pay more to have enough polling places is a poll tax. Which is a known voter suppression tactic.
Everyone would have a holiday on which to vote if Election Day were made a holiday, so I'm glad that's agreed upon.
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On October 13 2020 10:55 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2020 10:20 Danglars wrote:
Lines at polling places three weeks before the election are inconveniences, not suppression. Vote in a holiday or ask voters if they want to pay more for more polling locations. Polling places not being abundant enough is likely a mixture of incompetence + actual voter suppression efforts, but suggesting folks need to pay more to have enough polling places is a poll tax. Which is a known voter suppression tactic. Everyone would have a holiday on which to vote if Election Day were made a holiday, so I'm glad that's agreed upon.
I read that more charitable as "polling places cost money", which needs to be paid by someone, which usually means by taxes, which means indirectly by voters. Instead of assuming that the voters would pay directly to vote, which would indeed be utter bullshit. But i don't think even Danglars wants that.
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As a person living in a white suburb with a largely conservative voting populace in Texas, I have never had a problem with lines when I go to vote, but my minority friends who lives in neighborhoods with a high hispanic population have to wait hours just to vote even when they go early. Texas closes thousands of polling stations and a big chunk of those occur in areas with high minority populations (In fact, they had massive closures right before Super Tuesday which could have swung the state in Bernie's favor as he polled very well with hispanics and he lost by very little. That's why I take issue when people say he lost because his voting base didn't turn out. How many people on Super Tuesday lost their chance to vote in Texas and all the other states that voted that day because of voter suppression just like that?).
I doubt these polling locations closed right before a massive voting day in America due to a lack of funds. Polling locations can be opened and closed to help the "right" candidate win an election and it's a bit naive to think it doesn't occur.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting
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On October 13 2020 10:51 Shingi11 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2020 10:20 Danglars wrote:
Lines at polling places three weeks before the election are inconveniences, not suppression. Vote in a holiday or ask voters if they want to pay more for more polling locations. Republicans open more polling places, you are a funny one. It is a well documented fact that Republicans try and limit places that have high minority turnout and high concentration of dems to as few as possible. Case and point texas with there one drop off point per county Loving county texas pop 169 1 drop off box harris county texas pop 4.7 mil 1 drop off box Got to worry about that voter fraud though God look at all that voter fraud, it is a horrifying number
And it is a well documented fact that Democrats are incompetent with polling stations! Isn’t this fun 
(Drop off points =/= in-person voting lines)
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On October 13 2020 13:12 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2020 10:51 Shingi11 wrote:On October 13 2020 10:20 Danglars wrote:
Lines at polling places three weeks before the election are inconveniences, not suppression. Vote in a holiday or ask voters if they want to pay more for more polling locations. Republicans open more polling places, you are a funny one. It is a well documented fact that Republicans try and limit places that have high minority turnout and high concentration of dems to as few as possible. Case and point texas with there one drop off point per county Loving county texas pop 169 1 drop off box harris county texas pop 4.7 mil 1 drop off box Got to worry about that voter fraud though Minnesota’s 0.000004% Voter Fraud Cited as GOP Suit Tossed God look at all that voter fraud, it is a horrifying number And it is a well documented fact that Democrats are incompetent with polling stations! Isn’t this fun (Drop off points =/= in-person voting lines)
Republicans get sued time and time again for closing down places in minority based neighborhoods. Funny how the long lines are only in places with high minority or heavy dem voting population weather it is in person or drop off.
Or do you think it was coincidence when Alabama shut down 31 of there 62 dmvs, all of them in majority black centers right before elections so they could not get an approved voter ids. There are dozes of cases of the same across country for similar tactics.
Republicans have even said themselves they dont want people who dont vote for them voting and do everything in there power to stop or make it extremely difficult
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And of course there defense is always about non existent voter fraud.
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On October 13 2020 10:36 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2020 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 13 2020 10:20 Danglars wrote:
Lines at polling places three weeks before the election are inconveniences, not suppression. Vote in a holiday or ask voters if they want to pay more for more polling locations. There are far poorer countries that manage to run elections better than the US. Frankly, suppression might be less damning than the level of incompetence it would require for the state to be so remarkably and uniquely bad at running elections. I’m all in favor of Election Day holidays and no-cause absentee ballots. I also wait for hours early in the morning and late in the evening to vote. I don’t say the Democrats in my state are suppressing my vote. This feels more like speculation than actual demonstrated evidence (and, like Trump speculation, people should ask for evidence).
Why not?
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Also florida, why do you think the republican legislature there also instantly ripped away the right to vote for almost 5 million people that was given to them by the large majority of the florida people. Not because it was projected that about 80% of them where probley going to vote dem right. Had to of been for some other reason right, Just coincidence yet again
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On October 13 2020 10:36 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2020 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 13 2020 10:20 Danglars wrote:
Lines at polling places three weeks before the election are inconveniences, not suppression. Vote in a holiday or ask voters if they want to pay more for more polling locations. There are far poorer countries that manage to run elections better than the US. Frankly, suppression might be less damning than the level of incompetence it would require for the state to be so remarkably and uniquely bad at running elections. I’m all in favor of Election Day holidays and no-cause absentee ballots. I also wait for hours early in the morning and late in the evening to vote. I don’t say the Democrats in my state are suppressing my vote. This feels more like speculation than actual demonstrated evidence (and, like Trump speculation, people should ask for evidence).
Oh come on Danglars, there have been done a lot of research about this, a ton of litigation and it is a very well known problem. Making it hard for people to vote is the opposite of what democracy is about, in other countries this would be a huge scandal.
I thought you were a person who placed high value in freedom and democracy? Stand by your values or acknowledge that they aren't really what you care about.
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As an outsider those waiting lines look insane. What is the nominal reason that they are like that? Is it because of checking IDs or something like that takes so long, or is there even any (even nominal) reason apart from voter suppression?
That kind of queues seem like a massive exception in the developed world, I don't think I've ever had to wait for more than 15 minutes to vote in any of the Finnish elections, outside of the couple of times I've voted from a consulate or embassy while being abroad.
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On October 13 2020 17:23 Oukka wrote:
As an outsider those waiting lines look insane. What is the nominal reason that they are like that? Is it because of checking IDs or something like that takes so long, or is there even any (even nominal) reason apart from voter suppression?
That kind of queues seem like a massive exception in the developed world, I don't think I've ever had to wait for more than 15 minutes to vote in any of the Finnish elections, outside of the couple of times I've voted from a consulate or embassy while being abroad.
Non partisan answer : Polling workers are afraid of working since most of them are in the at risk category. So even less polling places are open compared to usual.
Is Trump still contagious ? Walking around the crowd in his latest rally..
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On October 13 2020 16:52 Neneu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2020 10:36 Danglars wrote:On October 13 2020 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 13 2020 10:20 Danglars wrote:
Lines at polling places three weeks before the election are inconveniences, not suppression. Vote in a holiday or ask voters if they want to pay more for more polling locations. There are far poorer countries that manage to run elections better than the US. Frankly, suppression might be less damning than the level of incompetence it would require for the state to be so remarkably and uniquely bad at running elections. I’m all in favor of Election Day holidays and no-cause absentee ballots. I also wait for hours early in the morning and late in the evening to vote. I don’t say the Democrats in my state are suppressing my vote. This feels more like speculation than actual demonstrated evidence (and, like Trump speculation, people should ask for evidence). Oh come on Danglars, there have been done a lot of research about this, a ton of litigation and it is a very well known problem. Making it hard for people to vote is the opposite of what democracy is about, in other countries this would be a huge scandal. I thought you were a person who placed high value in freedom and democracy? Stand by your values or acknowledge that they aren't really what you care about.
Last time I looked at these charges happening in Georgia (Stacey Abrams refused to respect the outcome of the election), it wound up being an insane mixture of suppositions and ignorance of statistics. Historically high black turnout (as percentage of voters), historically high registrations, normal upkeep of voter rolls, Republican opposition to closure of some precincts, and Democratic-passed laws somehow attributed to malign Republicans. It makes me wonder how many other of these stories are slanted crocks. The reports in that case omitted context and only showed one side of the story.
And like I said earlier, Democracy as a principle and federalism along with it mean that states I don’t live in get the choice to vote for absentee ballot law and candidates that will change precinct designations. Smug Europeans don’t get a vote in how our Democracy functions, and the way California chooses poll workers and precincts isn’t the same way Georgia or Maryland chooses to run things. “But I don’t like the result of Democracy” isn’t the dunk people think. And proving a negative (aka It Happened unless you conclusively prove It Didn’t Happen) won’t work out too good for you either.
Pardon me while I celebrate record turnout (in places like Georgia for instance) in the 2018 midterms, even when it disfavored my political side.
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On October 13 2020 20:33 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2020 16:52 Neneu wrote:On October 13 2020 10:36 Danglars wrote:On October 13 2020 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 13 2020 10:20 Danglars wrote:
Lines at polling places three weeks before the election are inconveniences, not suppression. Vote in a holiday or ask voters if they want to pay more for more polling locations. There are far poorer countries that manage to run elections better than the US. Frankly, suppression might be less damning than the level of incompetence it would require for the state to be so remarkably and uniquely bad at running elections. I’m all in favor of Election Day holidays and no-cause absentee ballots. I also wait for hours early in the morning and late in the evening to vote. I don’t say the Democrats in my state are suppressing my vote. This feels more like speculation than actual demonstrated evidence (and, like Trump speculation, people should ask for evidence). Oh come on Danglars, there have been done a lot of research about this, a ton of litigation and it is a very well known problem. Making it hard for people to vote is the opposite of what democracy is about, in other countries this would be a huge scandal. I thought you were a person who placed high value in freedom and democracy? Stand by your values or acknowledge that they aren't really what you care about. Last time I looked at these charges happening in Georgia (Stacey Abrams refused to respect the outcome of the election), it wound up being an insane mixture of suppositions and ignorance of statistics. Historically high black turnout (as percentage of voters), historically high registrations, normal upkeep of voter rolls, Republican opposition to closure of some precincts, and Democratic-passed laws somehow attributed to malign Republicans. It makes me wonder how many other of these stories are slanted crocks. The reports in that case omitted context and only showed one side of the story. And like I said earlier, Democracy as a principle and federalism along with it mean that states I don’t live in get the choice to vote for absentee ballot law and candidates that will change precinct designations. Smug Europeans don’t get a vote in how our Democracy functions, and the way California chooses poll workers and precincts isn’t the same way Georgia or Maryland chooses to run things. “But I don’t like the result of Democracy” isn’t the dunk people think. And proving a negative (aka It Happened unless you conclusively prove It Didn’t Happen) won’t work out too good for you either. Pardon me while I celebrate record turnout (in places like Georgia for instance) in the 2018 midterms, even when it disfavored my political side.
You are treading on some strange ground here. Wouldn't you agree that it being as easy as possible to vote for anyone who wants to is a good thing?
Thus, the question arises why it seems to be so hard to vote for some people who want to in the US. And why that problem isn't fixed by now. There are a few explanations for this, but none of them make the US look good.
In stead of wondering about that and thinking about how to fix this, you instead choose to attack everyone who talks about this as "smug europeans", or "people not liking the result of democracy"
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