EPTAgreed. I'm amazed she's trying to claim ignorance.
She's rich enough to have them come to her, so it's also a totally pointless thing.
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Agreed. I'm amazed she's trying to claim ignorance. She's rich enough to have them come to her, so it's also a totally pointless thing. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 02 2020 12:37 Nevuk wrote: Agreed. I'm amazed she's trying to claim ignorance. She's rich enough to have them come to her, so it's also a totally pointless thing. I feel like when you're a congresswoman for that long, it is similar to being rich. There are psychological processes that are impossibly difficult to hold back and you end up with a god complex. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 02 2020 12:49 Mohdoo wrote: I feel like when you're a congresswoman for that long, it is similar to being rich. There are psychological processes that are impossibly difficult to hold back and you end up with a god complex. You have identified the real culprit. As opposed to your initial reaction "stupid" it was, in fact "arrogant". She thought, because most the media are on her side, it would not be reported. Were it 1960, she would have been correct. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 02 2020 13:05 Starlightsun wrote: I still don't think that is comparable to shirking masks in your public capacity. Personal transgression versus the official stance of the party, a la RNC where everyone is sitting there close together and maskless. No, it’s probably worse because it entirely undermines the messaging in favor of masks and doing what’s “in the interest of public safety.” Easily spun as that the rules don’t apply to the Dem elite. The Republican messaging is at least consistent in “no masks for anyone” on that line. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On September 02 2020 08:41 micronesia wrote: I'm questioning this a bit judging from yesterday's court decision regarding McGahn (referring to https://www.cbsnews.com/news/don-mcgahn-white-house-counsel-congressional-subpoena-appeals-court/ ). Unless the the entire circuit of the D.C. appeals court takes up the issue, it looks like, short of new legislation, Congress cannot compel executive branch members to testify if the president does not will it. That will of course apply to both parties. Oh but they can. They just can't ask *the courts* to enforce the subpoena. But they are free to direct the sergeant-at-arms to go grab the guy. On September 02 2020 12:17 Danglars wrote: In Pelosi news, she went into a closed-down hair salon for a blowout. Hair salons in San Francisco are closed by local ordinance. They have been closed down since March. She was also not wearing a mask on the trip. She was caught by security cameras. She claimed ignorance of the rules when confronted with her behavior. Obviously, the owner/renter was pissed that she can just go in and do her business, while she isn't allowed to work. My state, where only the House leader can go to the beauty salon. So much for Democratic leadership on the issue. Pelosi's visit to hair salon went against coronavirus rules - The House speaker — who has often criticized her Republican colleagues for ignoring coronavirus protocols — was caught on camera at a salon. How the fuck can you go to a *closed* salon without permission from the owner to get a blowout?? And claim that you didn't know there was an issue? Plain bullshit and there is no possible excuse on her part. | ||
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Ryzel
United States568 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Lawyers on twitter seem to think this is a moronic strategy, with comparisons to Avenati rolling in, what do the people here think? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
It makes them real easy to impose if you’re not going to have to abide by them. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 02 2020 15:12 Starlightsun wrote: Well I don't agree at all. Pelosi caught being a Karen on her private time is not going to directly result in thousands choosing not to wear masks like the "consistent" Republican messaging has already done. Hypocrisy is a pretty good fast-track to getting people not to listen to your messaging. If there's one set of rules for the commoner and another for the elite, that destroys the messaging quite well. When the Republicans have been pushing the double standard message for a long time, and you just go and give it teeth like that... well. I mean she's not alone - the entire state of California had really strict quarantine measures until big, important businesses complained, at which point they keeled over and reversed it. But that could solidly be the nail in the coffin. On September 03 2020 01:01 Danglars wrote: I haven’t had a haircut for two months, back when salons opened up for approximately 2 weeks. Now it’s hard to find “outdoor” venues that aren’t booked forever in advance. Just seeing a politician from my state so arrogantly flout the rules that she’s been personally pounding from podiums makes me livid. Yeah, it's nice to just have a haircut that lasts 6+ months. The logistics of quarantine haircuts are rough. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On September 03 2020 01:00 Nevuk wrote: Kyle Rittenhouse's lawyer just posted a conversation he had with him to twitter, where Kyle thanked "all of his fans". Bizarre. Lawyers on twitter seem to think this is a moronic strategy, with comparisons to Avenati rolling in, what do the people here think? Bizarre is a kind way of putting it. While I feel discourse on that incident here has been fine, you don’t have to go very far to people cheerleading the guy for shooting Commies or whatever. Rather distasteful to say the least but maybe his lawyer’s gambit of making him a political martyr might pay off, who knows. At least we’re not at the Zimmerman signing bags of skittles stage just yet. At Pelosi, fuck that behaviour just profoundly insulting to everyone having to abide by lockdown restrictions and suffering. Inexcusable. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1970 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On September 02 2020 14:50 LegalLord wrote: No, it’s probably worse because it entirely undermines the messaging in favor of masks and doing what’s “in the interest of public safety.” Easily spun as that the rules don’t apply to the Dem elite. The Republican messaging is at least consistent in “no masks for anyone” on that line. Would agree here. They’re both poor, mask behaviour while it’s been poor it’s never something that was compulsory/widely adopted by a large amount of people all that well. When you’re flouting stuff that many people had been willing to suck up and had been adhering to, you run the risk of those people who were previously behaving no longer doing so. People have suffered in all sorts of ways through things imposed from above over lockdown and beyond, which most can abide with until those from above are flouting those particular rules. Never really seen much data on it, my anecdotal impression was people were noticeably more lax when Boris Johnson’s spin doctor Dominic Cummings got caught going for a 200 mile round trip when the rest of us were confined to necessary work/health related journies. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
The 2016 ones were pretty awful (Wallace was the best of them, despite asking about some things about a decade out of line with the public) , and Candy Crowley in 2012 remains a sore point for the GOP due to her doing some live fact checking on one of Romney's points. Fox News' Chris Wallace on September 29th. C-SPAN political editor Steve Scully on October 15th NBC’s Kristen Welker on October 22nd. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2854 Posts
On September 03 2020 01:30 Wombat_NornIron wrote: Bizarre is a kind way of putting it. While I feel discourse on that incident here has been fine, you don’t have to go very far to people cheerleading the guy for shooting Commies or whatever. Rather distasteful to say the least but maybe his lawyer’s gambit of making him a political martyr might pay off, who knows. At least we’re not at the Zimmerman signing bags of skittles stage just yet. At Pelosi, fuck that behaviour just profoundly insulting to everyone having to abide by lockdown restrictions and suffering. Inexcusable. It's so fucking stupid that he might become a living martyr in a situation where he could be a dead one, and the crowd that might accept him as a martyr in this case don't recognize that him still being alive is a pretty strong indication that the 'bad people' he killed aren't really that bad. I mean, at least one person approached him and was pointing a gun at him, and still had the moral fiber to consider that murdering this person wasn't a fantastic choice. I'm glad no-one shot Rittenberg, because I think that would be a worse outcome overall for BLM, I just find it shameful and ironic that yet more lives get thrown into the cause, and the argument still is that the alive white person is more valuable than the people he ended. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 03 2020 03:11 Nevuk wrote: Debate moderators have been picked for the debates. The 2016 ones were pretty awful (Wallace was the best of them, despite asking about some things about a decade out of line with the public) , and Candy Crowley in 2012 remains a sore point for the GOP due to her doing some live fact checking on one of Romney's points. Fox News' Chris Wallace on September 29th. C-SPAN political editor Steve Scully on October 15th NBC’s Kristen Welker on October 22nd. These selections don’t seem too too bad. The queen of debate moderator dereliction of duty was Donna Brazile, who fed the actual debate questions to the Clinton team prior to the debate. Candy Crowley should be rejected by both parties for her performance. She cut Romney off and picked sides of a fact check (Debatable still today), allowed Obama more time, and had other issues. I think the bipartisan attitude is that Crowley was the worst until Brazile, unless you want to include Bernard Shaw. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On September 03 2020 01:19 LegalLord wrote: Hypocrisy is a pretty good fast-track to getting people not to listen to your messaging. If there's one set of rules for the commoner and another for the elite, that destroys the messaging quite well. When the Republicans have been pushing the double standard message for a long time, and you just go and give it teeth like that... well. I mean she's not alone - the entire state of California had really strict quarantine measures until big, important businesses complained, at which point they keeled over and reversed it. But that could solidly be the nail in the coffin. Maybe I am naive, but I thought most Democrats who willingly wear masks do so not because the party tells them to but because that is what medical experts say. As to hypocrisy killing messaging, it doesn't seem to hurt the guy who's been shamelessly pandering to Christians despite being a lifelong adulterer, glutton and thief, and to the poor and working-class despite being as "the elite" as they come. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 03 2020 03:49 Starlightsun wrote: Maybe I am naive, but I thought most Democrats who willingly wear masks do so not because the party tells them to but because that is what medical experts say. As to hypocrisy killing messaging, it doesn't seem to hurt the guy who's been shamelessly pandering to Christians despite being a lifelong adulterer, glutton and thief, and to the poor and working-class despite being as "the elite" as they come. Yeah democrat vs republican decision making is totally different. It is important to remember how many people screamed in support of the various covid treatments trump has pushed for. You may notice democrats don't tend to politicize viral medications. Fundamentally, conservative ideology/sociology mirrors a church form of hierarchy than modern forms. Reverence for leadership/authority/power is one of the worst components of conservative ideology. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On September 03 2020 03:49 Starlightsun wrote: Maybe I am naive, but I thought most Democrats who willingly wear masks do so not because the party tells them to but because that is what medical experts say. As to hypocrisy killing messaging, it doesn't seem to hurt the guy who's been shamelessly pandering to Christians despite being a lifelong adulterer, glutton and thief, and to the poor and working-class despite being as "the elite" as they come. What you mention does rather baffle me at times. On this specific thing it’s hypocrisy on an issue that people have got hurt on. Aside from people abiding rules and not seeking haircuts, there’s barbers and salons who’ve closed and taken a financial hit. When someone flouts rules that they have some influence in, and espoused in such a manner it’s an absolute kick in the teeth and an incredibly arrogant and out of touch thing to do. People can put up with a lot if everyone is in the same boat, once it starts becoming a ‘one rule for them, another for us’ people stop playing ball. Overall the absolutely abysmal handling of things by the Trump administration is the much bigger problem, but on this front he’s never really flouted advice that he himself was espousing. On a purely pragmatic political front, why, why would you be caught doing something like this when an election is coming and Covid should be one of your main points of attack? | ||
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