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Trump is literally asking people to commit voter fraud. He's just simply... stating it. Unsurprising, really, considering how little regard he has for the law and the legitimacy of elections.
Trump encourages North Carolina residents to vote twice to test mail-in system
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump suggested that people in North Carolina should vote twice in the November election, once by mail and once in person, escalating his attempts to cast confusion and doubt on the validity of the results.
"So let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote," Trump said when asked whether he has confidence in the mail-in system in North Carolina, a battleground state.
"If it's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do," he said.
It is illegal to vote more than once in an election.
Trump has made countless false statements about the security of voting by mail ahead of the election as much of the country braces for an increase of voters who opt for mail-in ballots during the coronavirus pandemic.
The Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee have sued states that have moved to expand access to mail-in voting in response to the pandemic, including Nevada, New Jersey and Montana.
"President Trump encourages supporters to vote absentee-by-mail early, and then show up in person at the polls or the local registrar to verify that their vote has already been counted," Trump campaign official Tim Murtaugh said. "It’s amazing that the media can go from insisting that voter fraud doesn’t exist to screaming about it when President Trump points out the giant holes in the Democrats’ voting schemes.”
Despite Trump's claims that mail-in ballots lead to widespread fraud that benefits Democrats, there is no clear evidence that suggests that either party gains an advantage with mail-in voting.
Trump and his wife, Melania Trump, requested absentee ballots to vote in the Florida primary this year. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-encourages-north-carolina-residents-vote-twice-test-mail-system-n1239140?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_mj&fbclid=IwAR3XJ8_zqBy6D3PNxdWLh-diDJlZ55BQu066fZT4k-fiTnA7nfql7PmM43o
Also, apparently he and Melania are doing mail-in voting, as he fabricates how dangerous mail-in voting is?
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On September 03 2020 11:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Trump is literally asking people to commit voter fraud. He's just simply... stating it. Unsurprising, really, considering how little regard he has for the law and the legitimacy of elections. Show nested quote +Trump encourages North Carolina residents to vote twice to test mail-in system
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump suggested that people in North Carolina should vote twice in the November election, once by mail and once in person, escalating his attempts to cast confusion and doubt on the validity of the results.
"So let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote," Trump said when asked whether he has confidence in the mail-in system in North Carolina, a battleground state.
"If it's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do," he said.
It is illegal to vote more than once in an election.
Trump has made countless false statements about the security of voting by mail ahead of the election as much of the country braces for an increase of voters who opt for mail-in ballots during the coronavirus pandemic.
The Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee have sued states that have moved to expand access to mail-in voting in response to the pandemic, including Nevada, New Jersey and Montana.
"President Trump encourages supporters to vote absentee-by-mail early, and then show up in person at the polls or the local registrar to verify that their vote has already been counted," Trump campaign official Tim Murtaugh said. "It’s amazing that the media can go from insisting that voter fraud doesn’t exist to screaming about it when President Trump points out the giant holes in the Democrats’ voting schemes.”
Despite Trump's claims that mail-in ballots lead to widespread fraud that benefits Democrats, there is no clear evidence that suggests that either party gains an advantage with mail-in voting.
Trump and his wife, Melania Trump, requested absentee ballots to vote in the Florida primary this year. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-encourages-north-carolina-residents-vote-twice-test-mail-system-n1239140?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_mj&fbclid=IwAR3XJ8_zqBy6D3PNxdWLh-diDJlZ55BQu066fZT4k-fiTnA7nfql7PmM43o Also, apparently he and Melania are doing mail-in voting, as he fabricates how dangerous mail-in voting is?
Trump's greatest skill is muddying water. He is realizing he can even do it to an entire election system. If he can convince the country the election can't be trusted, he'll say he hangs around until they figure it out.
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On September 03 2020 11:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"President Trump encourages supporters to vote absentee-by-mail early, and then show up in person at the polls or the local registrar to verify that their vote has already been counted," Trump campaign official Tim Murtaugh said. "It’s amazing that the media can go from insisting that voter fraud doesn’t exist to screaming about it when President Trump points out the giant holes in the Democrats’ voting schemes.”
I forgot how ridiculous political messaging can get in elections.
Person A says voter fraud is not prevalent
Person B says go commit voter fraud.
Person C says it's amazing that people are mad about Person B saying to go commit a crime!
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But remember, people saying Trump is a genuine threat to american democracy are "hysterical"
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On September 03 2020 11:14 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 11:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Trump is literally asking people to commit voter fraud. He's just simply... stating it. Unsurprising, really, considering how little regard he has for the law and the legitimacy of elections. Trump encourages North Carolina residents to vote twice to test mail-in system
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump suggested that people in North Carolina should vote twice in the November election, once by mail and once in person, escalating his attempts to cast confusion and doubt on the validity of the results.
"So let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote," Trump said when asked whether he has confidence in the mail-in system in North Carolina, a battleground state.
"If it's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do," he said.
It is illegal to vote more than once in an election.
Trump has made countless false statements about the security of voting by mail ahead of the election as much of the country braces for an increase of voters who opt for mail-in ballots during the coronavirus pandemic.
The Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee have sued states that have moved to expand access to mail-in voting in response to the pandemic, including Nevada, New Jersey and Montana.
"President Trump encourages supporters to vote absentee-by-mail early, and then show up in person at the polls or the local registrar to verify that their vote has already been counted," Trump campaign official Tim Murtaugh said. "It’s amazing that the media can go from insisting that voter fraud doesn’t exist to screaming about it when President Trump points out the giant holes in the Democrats’ voting schemes.”
Despite Trump's claims that mail-in ballots lead to widespread fraud that benefits Democrats, there is no clear evidence that suggests that either party gains an advantage with mail-in voting.
Trump and his wife, Melania Trump, requested absentee ballots to vote in the Florida primary this year. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-encourages-north-carolina-residents-vote-twice-test-mail-system-n1239140?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_mj&fbclid=IwAR3XJ8_zqBy6D3PNxdWLh-diDJlZ55BQu066fZT4k-fiTnA7nfql7PmM43o Also, apparently he and Melania are doing mail-in voting, as he fabricates how dangerous mail-in voting is? Trump's greatest skill is muddying water. He is realizing he can even do it to an entire election system. If he can convince the country the election can't be trusted, he'll say he hangs around until they figure it out. "hand around" doesn't work in the US system, he isn't President until a new one is figured out. The constitution says his term ends on jan 20, no matter what.
But hey, its Trump. Good chance he will pretend that isn't how it works.
+ Show Spoiler +It would be hella funny to watch President Pelosi order the SS to throw Trump out of the White House.
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Well the election will certainly be a stress test to the resilience of american institutions. I can totally see Trump declaring victory before the mail ballots - that will favour Biden btw - are counted.
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I think it's unclear whether mail-in ballots lean definitively in Biden's favor, they are a favored voting method of older demographics, many of which lean Trump.
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On September 03 2020 20:10 farvacola wrote:
I think it's unclear whether mail-in ballots lean definitively in Biden's favor, they are a favored voting method of older demographics, many of which lean Trump.
It allows people to avoid being stuck in ridiculous waiting lines because polling locations have been systematically removed, which favors not-Republicans.
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Sure, but that tells me its a mixed bag proposition. Either way, I think the odds that Trump lacks a vote-count basis to declare an early victory before mailed ballots are counted are fairly good.
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Northern Ireland26764 Posts
On September 03 2020 10:47 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 10:27 Mohdoo wrote:
Danglars, you need to understand that for many of us familiar with Ngo's past, attaching one of his tweets to your post makes it significantly less likely to be taken seriously or get a response. I am well aware that a segment of this population attacks the person and not the evidence. Should you have no other response to my post than this snippet, maybe I think it’s no great loss indeed.
What particular segment would that be?
When you’ve been caught making tons of errors in your profession through either the charitable interpretation of incompetence or the uncharitable and probably correct one of gross ideological bias, then people aren’t going to take you seriously. Consider it a modern day fairytale called The Boy Who Cried Antifa.
As for the meat and bones, well it’s an unholy mess. I tend to trust accounts from here and what I’ve seen elsewhere that initial policing inflamed the situation and was a bad call, so pulling back a bit was sensible.
A sensible move at a time of spontaneous protesting and anger. After a certain period one can’t really see violence and destruction as a byproduct of such a volatile and emotionally charged political protest, but rather the intent of some people.
So catching and release isn’t exactly a great option either, for those specific individuals anyway. But then people protesting entirely peacefully would probably end up with criminal charges through mistaken identity or overzealous arrests.
Not many great options all round. As critical as I have been of the US police being terrible at dealing with protests and that I think the core of the protests are legitimate concerns, rioting and looting in perpetuity is neither something I can condone, nor is it a good look to allow it to continue unfettered.
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rioting and looting in perpetuity is neither something I can condone, nor is it a good look to allow it to continue unfettered.
The moral and rational alternative is redressing the grievances/joining those demanding such, not supporting authoritarian crackdowns imo.
There are really only two sides to this issue imo. Either with the people demanding their grievances (that have been protested about for decades) be resolved or with the people supporting authoritarian brutality to maintain the status quo.
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United States24771 Posts
I'm not sure how this will end. When a group of people are protesting for a change such as "give us the legal authority to vote," the protests can stop when the president signs the law or the states ratify the amendment which gives that group the right to vote. When the demand is "stop killing us in the normal course of your duty while writing it off as self defense" or "significantly restructure thousands of law enforcement agencies across the country" there is no simple metric for stopping protesting. I think there is literally nothing that could happen tomorrow that would resolve the issues that the protests are trying to resolve. That's not to say the protests shouldn't happen, just that they aren't going away any time soon unless those in power crack down dictator style (e.g., just bomb groups of protesters until they stop gathering).
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On September 03 2020 21:07 Wombat_NornIron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 10:47 Danglars wrote:On September 03 2020 10:27 Mohdoo wrote:
Danglars, you need to understand that for many of us familiar with Ngo's past, attaching one of his tweets to your post makes it significantly less likely to be taken seriously or get a response. I am well aware that a segment of this population attacks the person and not the evidence. Should you have no other response to my post than this snippet, maybe I think it’s no great loss indeed. What particular segment would that be? When you’ve been caught making tons of errors in your profession through either the charitable interpretation of incompetence or the uncharitable and probably correct one of gross ideological bias, then people aren’t going to take you seriously. Consider it a modern day fairytale called The Boy Who Cried Antifa. As for the meat and bones, well it’s an unholy mess. I tend to trust accounts from here and what I’ve seen elsewhere that initial policing inflamed the situation and was a bad call, so pulling back a bit was sensible. A sensible move at a time of spontaneous protesting and anger. After a certain period one can’t really see violence and destruction as a byproduct of such a volatile and emotionally charged political protest, but rather the intent of some people. So catching and release isn’t exactly a great option either, for those specific individuals anyway. But then people protesting entirely peacefully would probably end up with criminal charges through mistaken identity or overzealous arrests. Not many great options all round. As critical as I have been of the US police being terrible at dealing with protests and that I think the core of the protests are legitimate concerns, rioting and looting in perpetuity is neither something I can condone, nor is it a good look to allow it to continue unfettered.
Charging people with a crime is followed by proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the person charged actually did it. That’s the better choice for “mistaken identity.” The other important point is multiple sources detailed that the protests turned violent very late at night, after most of the peaceful crew had already dispersed.
The rioting may have been falling prior to the arrival or federal forces. It is simultaneously true that after their withdrawal, it simply moved to police stations in the area, and eventually residential neighborhoods. The same lasers, fireworks, and attempted barricading while attempting to set the place on fire were observed with police stations. That was the first clue that pulling back (after fed departure) was insensible and a major bad call.
Lastly, the guy actually shows up and films when the journalism industry mostly didn’t send people on the ground to cover it. I can handle biased reporting, when it can be verified and it has video evidence. In this case, mug shots and pictures of weapons used. It’s completely absurd to put on the ideological blinders on when it comes to raw source material. And I’ve observed formerly low-bias sources turn their news pages into opinion columns alleging “mostly peaceful” informs the reader of what they need to know. This canard changed because of brave journalists reporting from the ground, and it eventually got coverage, as it should.
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On September 03 2020 18:08 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 11:14 Mohdoo wrote:On September 03 2020 11:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Trump is literally asking people to commit voter fraud. He's just simply... stating it. Unsurprising, really, considering how little regard he has for the law and the legitimacy of elections. Trump encourages North Carolina residents to vote twice to test mail-in system
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump suggested that people in North Carolina should vote twice in the November election, once by mail and once in person, escalating his attempts to cast confusion and doubt on the validity of the results.
"So let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote," Trump said when asked whether he has confidence in the mail-in system in North Carolina, a battleground state.
"If it's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do," he said.
It is illegal to vote more than once in an election.
Trump has made countless false statements about the security of voting by mail ahead of the election as much of the country braces for an increase of voters who opt for mail-in ballots during the coronavirus pandemic.
The Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee have sued states that have moved to expand access to mail-in voting in response to the pandemic, including Nevada, New Jersey and Montana.
"President Trump encourages supporters to vote absentee-by-mail early, and then show up in person at the polls or the local registrar to verify that their vote has already been counted," Trump campaign official Tim Murtaugh said. "It’s amazing that the media can go from insisting that voter fraud doesn’t exist to screaming about it when President Trump points out the giant holes in the Democrats’ voting schemes.”
Despite Trump's claims that mail-in ballots lead to widespread fraud that benefits Democrats, there is no clear evidence that suggests that either party gains an advantage with mail-in voting.
Trump and his wife, Melania Trump, requested absentee ballots to vote in the Florida primary this year. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-encourages-north-carolina-residents-vote-twice-test-mail-system-n1239140?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_mj&fbclid=IwAR3XJ8_zqBy6D3PNxdWLh-diDJlZ55BQu066fZT4k-fiTnA7nfql7PmM43o Also, apparently he and Melania are doing mail-in voting, as he fabricates how dangerous mail-in voting is? Trump's greatest skill is muddying water. He is realizing he can even do it to an entire election system. If he can convince the country the election can't be trusted, he'll say he hangs around until they figure it out. "hand around" doesn't work in the US system, he isn't President until a new one is figured out. The constitution says his term ends on jan 20, no matter what. But hey, its Trump. Good chance he will pretend that isn't how it works. + Show Spoiler +It would be hella funny to watch President Pelosi order the SS to throw Trump out of the White House.
As a German, i always get really confused when people use SS to refer to the Secret Service. I always picture people in black uniforms with skulls and swastikas, and get confused parsing the statement for at least a few seconds trying to figure out connections between Pelosi and Nazis.
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On September 03 2020 23:53 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 18:08 Gorsameth wrote:On September 03 2020 11:14 Mohdoo wrote:On September 03 2020 11:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Trump is literally asking people to commit voter fraud. He's just simply... stating it. Unsurprising, really, considering how little regard he has for the law and the legitimacy of elections. Trump encourages North Carolina residents to vote twice to test mail-in system
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump suggested that people in North Carolina should vote twice in the November election, once by mail and once in person, escalating his attempts to cast confusion and doubt on the validity of the results.
"So let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote," Trump said when asked whether he has confidence in the mail-in system in North Carolina, a battleground state.
"If it's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do," he said.
It is illegal to vote more than once in an election.
Trump has made countless false statements about the security of voting by mail ahead of the election as much of the country braces for an increase of voters who opt for mail-in ballots during the coronavirus pandemic.
The Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee have sued states that have moved to expand access to mail-in voting in response to the pandemic, including Nevada, New Jersey and Montana.
"President Trump encourages supporters to vote absentee-by-mail early, and then show up in person at the polls or the local registrar to verify that their vote has already been counted," Trump campaign official Tim Murtaugh said. "It’s amazing that the media can go from insisting that voter fraud doesn’t exist to screaming about it when President Trump points out the giant holes in the Democrats’ voting schemes.”
Despite Trump's claims that mail-in ballots lead to widespread fraud that benefits Democrats, there is no clear evidence that suggests that either party gains an advantage with mail-in voting.
Trump and his wife, Melania Trump, requested absentee ballots to vote in the Florida primary this year. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-encourages-north-carolina-residents-vote-twice-test-mail-system-n1239140?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_mj&fbclid=IwAR3XJ8_zqBy6D3PNxdWLh-diDJlZ55BQu066fZT4k-fiTnA7nfql7PmM43o Also, apparently he and Melania are doing mail-in voting, as he fabricates how dangerous mail-in voting is? Trump's greatest skill is muddying water. He is realizing he can even do it to an entire election system. If he can convince the country the election can't be trusted, he'll say he hangs around until they figure it out. "hand around" doesn't work in the US system, he isn't President until a new one is figured out. The constitution says his term ends on jan 20, no matter what. But hey, its Trump. Good chance he will pretend that isn't how it works. + Show Spoiler +It would be hella funny to watch President Pelosi order the SS to throw Trump out of the White House. As a German, i always get really confused when people use SS to refer to the Secret Service. I always picture people in black uniforms with skulls and swastikas, and get confused parsing the statement for at least a few seconds trying to figure out connections between Pelosi and Nazis.
In my line of work, SS colloquially tends to mean Social Security :D
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My mind went to the Nazi SS too. Every time I see people refer to the Secret Service in an abbreviation it's as USSS.
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Northern Ireland26764 Posts
On September 03 2020 23:51 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 21:07 Wombat_NornIron wrote:On September 03 2020 10:47 Danglars wrote:On September 03 2020 10:27 Mohdoo wrote:
Danglars, you need to understand that for many of us familiar with Ngo's past, attaching one of his tweets to your post makes it significantly less likely to be taken seriously or get a response. I am well aware that a segment of this population attacks the person and not the evidence. Should you have no other response to my post than this snippet, maybe I think it’s no great loss indeed. What particular segment would that be? When you’ve been caught making tons of errors in your profession through either the charitable interpretation of incompetence or the uncharitable and probably correct one of gross ideological bias, then people aren’t going to take you seriously. Consider it a modern day fairytale called The Boy Who Cried Antifa. As for the meat and bones, well it’s an unholy mess. I tend to trust accounts from here and what I’ve seen elsewhere that initial policing inflamed the situation and was a bad call, so pulling back a bit was sensible. A sensible move at a time of spontaneous protesting and anger. After a certain period one can’t really see violence and destruction as a byproduct of such a volatile and emotionally charged political protest, but rather the intent of some people. So catching and release isn’t exactly a great option either, for those specific individuals anyway. But then people protesting entirely peacefully would probably end up with criminal charges through mistaken identity or overzealous arrests. Not many great options all round. As critical as I have been of the US police being terrible at dealing with protests and that I think the core of the protests are legitimate concerns, rioting and looting in perpetuity is neither something I can condone, nor is it a good look to allow it to continue unfettered. Charging people with a crime is followed by proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the person charged actually did it. That’s the better choice for “mistaken identity.” The other important point is multiple sources detailed that the protests turned violent very late at night, after most of the peaceful crew had already dispersed. The rioting may have been falling prior to the arrival or federal forces. It is simultaneously true that after their withdrawal, it simply moved to police stations in the area, and eventually residential neighborhoods. The same lasers, fireworks, and attempted barricading while attempting to set the place on fire were observed with police stations. That was the first clue that pulling back (after fed departure) was insensible and a major bad call. Lastly, the guy actually shows up and films when the journalism industry mostly didn’t send people on the ground to cover it. I can handle biased reporting, when it can be verified and it has video evidence. In this case, mug shots and pictures of weapons used. It’s completely absurd to put on the ideological blinders on when it comes to raw source material. And I’ve observed formerly low-bias sources turn their news pages into opinion columns alleging “mostly peaceful” informs the reader of what they need to know. This canard changed because of brave journalists reporting from the ground, and it eventually got coverage, as it should.
Maybe because actual journalists with accreditation kept getting tear gassed or shot by the police.
Slight hyperbole aside Ngo’s history is not of a slightly biased but accurate chronicler of events, but as a consistently completely unreliable narrator. I’m probably less familiar with his history than others here but it’s incredibly interesting how he follows this kind of thing around and yet doesn’t seem to find any video footage of right wing violence or provocation.
I don’t trust anything coming out of this new generation of Twitter ‘journalists’, across the ideological spectrum because so much of it contains lies by omission or misleading chronology in video form. Doesn’t really matter what it is, the Kyle Rittenhouse shootings being a case in point. That said there are some verifiable things here too.
Wish I could expand further but alas on a tight schedule. I wasn’t advocating withdrawal particularly, but if the police cannot handle riots without escalation then it gets tricky. Especially if they’re the cause of the protests to begin with.
I don’t frequently invoke our riot police out of jingoism, they do what’s required. Sit there and take it, contain it and stop it spilling out of control. Which the US version seems either unwilling or unable to do.
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On September 04 2020 01:23 Wombat_NornIron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 23:51 Danglars wrote:On September 03 2020 21:07 Wombat_NornIron wrote:On September 03 2020 10:47 Danglars wrote:On September 03 2020 10:27 Mohdoo wrote:
Danglars, you need to understand that for many of us familiar with Ngo's past, attaching one of his tweets to your post makes it significantly less likely to be taken seriously or get a response. I am well aware that a segment of this population attacks the person and not the evidence. Should you have no other response to my post than this snippet, maybe I think it’s no great loss indeed. What particular segment would that be? When you’ve been caught making tons of errors in your profession through either the charitable interpretation of incompetence or the uncharitable and probably correct one of gross ideological bias, then people aren’t going to take you seriously. Consider it a modern day fairytale called The Boy Who Cried Antifa. As for the meat and bones, well it’s an unholy mess. I tend to trust accounts from here and what I’ve seen elsewhere that initial policing inflamed the situation and was a bad call, so pulling back a bit was sensible. A sensible move at a time of spontaneous protesting and anger. After a certain period one can’t really see violence and destruction as a byproduct of such a volatile and emotionally charged political protest, but rather the intent of some people. So catching and release isn’t exactly a great option either, for those specific individuals anyway. But then people protesting entirely peacefully would probably end up with criminal charges through mistaken identity or overzealous arrests. Not many great options all round. As critical as I have been of the US police being terrible at dealing with protests and that I think the core of the protests are legitimate concerns, rioting and looting in perpetuity is neither something I can condone, nor is it a good look to allow it to continue unfettered. Charging people with a crime is followed by proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the person charged actually did it. That’s the better choice for “mistaken identity.” The other important point is multiple sources detailed that the protests turned violent very late at night, after most of the peaceful crew had already dispersed. The rioting may have been falling prior to the arrival or federal forces. It is simultaneously true that after their withdrawal, it simply moved to police stations in the area, and eventually residential neighborhoods. The same lasers, fireworks, and attempted barricading while attempting to set the place on fire were observed with police stations. That was the first clue that pulling back (after fed departure) was insensible and a major bad call. Lastly, the guy actually shows up and films when the journalism industry mostly didn’t send people on the ground to cover it. I can handle biased reporting, when it can be verified and it has video evidence. In this case, mug shots and pictures of weapons used. It’s completely absurd to put on the ideological blinders on when it comes to raw source material. And I’ve observed formerly low-bias sources turn their news pages into opinion columns alleging “mostly peaceful” informs the reader of what they need to know. This canard changed because of brave journalists reporting from the ground, and it eventually got coverage, as it should. Maybe because actual journalists with accreditation kept getting tear gassed or shot by the police. Slight hyperbole aside Ngo’s history is not of a slightly biased but accurate chronicler of events, but as a consistently completely unreliable narrator. I’m probably less familiar with his history than others here but it’s incredibly interesting how he follows this kind of thing around and yet doesn’t seem to find any video footage of right wing violence or provocation. I don’t trust anything coming out of this new generation of Twitter ‘journalists’, across the ideological spectrum because so much of it contains lies by omission or misleading chronology in video form. Doesn’t really matter what it is, the Kyle Rittenhouse shootings being a case in point. That said there are some verifiable things here too. Wish I could expand further but alas on a tight schedule. I wasn’t advocating withdrawal particularly, but if the police cannot handle riots without escalation then it gets tricky. Especially if they’re the cause of the protests to begin with. I don’t frequently invoke our riot police out of jingoism, they do what’s required. Sit there and take it, contain it and stop it spilling out of control. Which the US version seems either unwilling or unable to do.
That’s why I said raw video and independently verifiable info. It’s like you didn’t read the post, or think he’s secretly recording staged violence in Peoria. I’ve seen much worse narration and wholesale lies from prominent journalists at well-read mastheads. I’ll take reporting from the ground where I can get it, and Portland was highly lacking and particularly lefty-biased coverage for weeks if not months. The *ahem* side that wants to ignore it has no right and little ability to criticize.
I think the whole industry is rightly distrusted and that’s why these independent journos are the only ones covering the junk. Major national news media did a “oh guess what there’s been tagging and fireworks and injuries at the federal courthouse for like 50 days straight.” I don’t know if you want to recognize this or ignore it or whatever, but it’s a sad indictment of the industry today and a reason why people like Ngo are made absolutely necessary. Even among people that casually dismiss left-wing violence, but perhaps not among those that didn’t given Antifa shooting a right-wing activist on video a second thought. Y’know, cut back to the right-wing white guy shooting white left-wing assailants.
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On September 03 2020 21:34 micronesia wrote:
I'm not sure how this will end. When a group of people are protesting for a change such as "give us the legal authority to vote," the protests can stop when the president signs the law or the states ratify the amendment which gives that group the right to vote. When the demand is "stop killing us in the normal course of your duty while writing it off as self defense" or "significantly restructure thousands of law enforcement agencies across the country" there is no simple metric for stopping protesting. I think there is literally nothing that could happen tomorrow that would resolve the issues that the protests are trying to resolve. That's not to say the protests shouldn't happen, just that they aren't going away any time soon unless those in power crack down dictator style (e.g., just bomb groups of protesters until they stop gathering).
Well they could at least lessen tensions by starting significant reforms instead of doing almost nothing. You might not end the protests instantly but that's no excuse for the amount of silence and inaction we're seeing.
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